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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 14:27:13 No.54838231 View View Reply Original Report

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SUNNY DAY STEELIX LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 14:31:24 No.54838243 Report

Quoted By: >>54838393 >>54838461 >>54839047 >>54840439 >>54840468

It's really cool how Sinnoh made one of the Elite Four members a sun team instead of just being monotype. Every major trainer should be like Flint.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 14:31:42 No.54838247 Report

Quoted By: >>54838501

>>54838231
>boost the rest of his team
>nullify his water weakness
>power up fire fang
sound like a winning strat to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 14:35:17 No.54838260 Report

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>>54838231
>male Lopunny
canonically gay

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 14:35:53 No.54838261 Report

Quoted By: >>54838262

>>54838231
>becomes the first Fire type specialist in the Elite 4 in a region with only 2 fire types
Kinnoh trainers are just built different.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 14:36:20 No.54838262 Report

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>>54838261
they just took one look at his hair and forced him into it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 14:41:50 No.54838278 Report

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>>54838231
it worked for Jasmine

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 14:48:14 No.54838301 Report

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>>54838231
why is Sinnoh so good bros?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 15:05:49 No.54838379 Report

Quoted By: >>54839176 >>54839202 >>54839664 >>54840089

reminder, all Sinnoh trainers except for double battles will pick random moves. If you think Flint's team is simply stupid you would be wrong. Stupid can not even begin to describe this

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 15:09:24 No.54838393 Report

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>>54838243
check out BDSP’s Volkner rematch

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 15:31:08 No.54838461 Report

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>>54838243
They should, but they refuse to do that. Flint was an exception because the dumb fucks forgot to include Fire-types in the Dex.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 15:34:19 No.54838474 Report

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>>54838231
>actually has a fire move to take advantage of it
jasmine should take notes

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 15:38:12 No.54838493 Report

Quoted By: >>54839184

>>54838231
This was the only thing DP did better than Platinum, but it's still executed poorly. They should've given him permanent sun and a couple Chlorophyll/Solarbeam users.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 15:41:23 No.54838501 Report

Quoted By: >>54838515 >>54839153

>>54838247
>trick the player into sending in a fire-type against his now-vulnerable steel-type
>rock tomb
135 iq strat ngl, would be impressive if he actually had an AI that wasn't pure RNG + used STAB earthquake instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 15:45:19 No.54838515 Report

Quoted By: >>54838521

>>54838501
Would be impressive if he chose a faster Pokemon too

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 15:46:24 No.54838521 Report

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>>54838515
>what is predicting the switch

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 17:48:41 No.54839047 Report

Quoted By: >>54839270

>>54838243
I'd totally appreciate the E4 being based around strategies instead of "monotype but now they have a move that super effective against their weakness :O"

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:09:46 No.54839146 Report

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>>54838231
Steelix and Lopunny having no stab move is the real problem here

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:11:12 No.54839153 Report

Quoted By: >>54839463

>>54838501
Is there any actual source on the DP trainer AI being RNG? It definitely got better in Platinum, but i know in DP it was at least better than the wild pokemons. It avoided moves you're immune to for example.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:14:39 No.54839166 Report

Quoted By: >>54839240 >>54839873

>>54838393
Sets are the only thing BDSP did right

I'm 100% convinced the BDSP devs had more experience with the pokemon metagame than anything else related to game design or programmation
ILCA should rebrand as ILPS : I Love Pokemon Showdown

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:15:52 No.54839176 Report

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>>54838379
Any source for this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:17:41 No.54839184 Report

Quoted By: >>54839322 >>54839336 >>54839440

>>54838493
>They should've given him permanent sun
Cringe bad rom hack tier artificial difficulty

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:21:29 No.54839202 Report

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>>54838379
I've seen Drifblim boost evasion and baton pass the boosts to Infernape.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:24:48 No.54839218 Report

Quoted By: >>54839221 >>54839223 >>54839226

>>54838393
I'm retarded, what's the point of the toxic orb on Jolteon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:25:11 No.54839221 Report

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>>54839218
Quick Feet

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:25:23 No.54839223 Report

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>>54839218
To activate Quick Feet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:25:48 No.54839226 Report

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>>54839218
Quick Feet, but Flame Orb would have been better

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:27:56 No.54839240 Report

Quoted By: >>54839249

>>54839166
>Sets are the only thing BDSP did right
and removing HMs
and not adding dynamax
and not changing designs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:29:41 No.54839249 Report

Quoted By: >>54839269 >>54839873

>>54839240
>removing HMs
Fuck you
>rest
The bare minimum isn't qualities, it's the bare minimum

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:33:53 No.54839269 Report

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>>54839249
seethe :)

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:34:06 No.54839270 Report

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>>54839047
That's how you get cancer like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:35:17 No.54839275 Report

Quoted By: >>54839285

>>54839270
>leftovers scizor

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:38:07 No.54839285 Report

Quoted By: >>54839293 >>54839304

>>54839275
That's understandable with iron defense
What's bullshit is how its only attacking move is bullet punch

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:39:18 No.54839293 Report

Quoted By: >>54839316

>>54839285
>That's understandable with iron defense
Hardly. Iron Defense isn't gonna matter on special attackers and it'd benefit way more from having the fire resist berry

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:40:59 No.54839304 Report

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>>54839285
I mean, it's part of a BP chain, it's supposed to click BP at +6

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:43:12 No.54839316 Report

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>>54839293
>it'd benefit way more from having the fire resist berry
that's not how BP teams operate, if you're threatened by a strong special fire type move w/o 4 to 6 CM already, you just BP out to something that can take the hit
leftovers is 100%, without a shadow of a doubt the one item you want on this set, especially since it doesn't run roost

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:44:35 No.54839322 Report

Quoted By: >>54839333

>>54839184
>it's bad because game freak doesn't do it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:46:17 No.54839333 Report

Quoted By: >>54839342 >>54839356 >>54839418 >>54841886

>>54839322
It's bad because it gives an unfair advantage to the AI instead of having it just be good because it's better than you at the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:47:06 No.54839336 Report

Quoted By: >>54839346

>>54839184
Would you rather have the AI randomly use Sunny Day when the sun is up instead?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:48:07 No.54839342 Report

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>>54839333
wow, a game that gives the AI an advantage? never heard of that before!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:48:26 No.54839346 Report

Quoted By: >>54839354

>>54839336
Not a single game does this, official or not, outside of wild pokemon battles

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:49:13 No.54839350 Report

Quoted By: >>54839357 >>54839483

Why does he have the Lopunny, specifically?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:49:39 No.54839354 Report

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>>54839346
Early streak Battle Factory AI is purely random and will do dumb shit like this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:50:02 No.54839356 Report

Quoted By: >>54839368

>>54839333
Totems do this and they're a much better boss model than gyms ever were gameplay wise, they'll never have as much personality potential as even an average gym leader

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:50:11 No.54839357 Report

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>>54839350
it's a hot based team

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:51:25 No.54839368 Report

Quoted By: >>54839385

>>54839356
Totems were shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:53:34 No.54839385 Report

Quoted By: >>54839400

>>54839368
did you get filtered when the first totem got an auto +1 defense boost?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:55:32 No.54839400 Report

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>>54839385
No, it can make for some random midboss, but it shouldn't have been an important mechanic let alone a replacement for gyms
Alola and gen 7 are ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:55:37 No.54839401 Report

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>>54838231
Based Flint making monotypecucks SEETHE

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:57:19 No.54839409 Report

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>>54838231
Flint raped me the first time with the Baton Pass into Infernape.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:59:20 No.54839418 Report

Quoted By: >>54839423

>>54839333
Gym leaders since gen 1 already have an "unfair advantage" over you when they use TMs and Pokemon can't access yet. Seethe more.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 18:59:57 No.54839421 Report

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>>54838231
>>54838393
Funny, I actually look up his BDSP team and his Drifblim doesn't have Flare Boost. It would have made so much more sense since it's a hot air balloon and having an ability that include something about fire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 19:00:11 No.54839423 Report

Quoted By: >>54839492 >>54842387

>>54839418
At least it's things you will be able to reproduce later on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 19:04:29 No.54839440 Report

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>>54839184
just use any other weather move or abuse the sun yourself. you're at the end of the game, so you have options. not that hard to overcome

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 19:09:03 No.54839463 Report

Quoted By: >>54839470

>>54839153
I don't know the full exacts, but from experience around that gen, it usually boils down to...
>use SE Damaging Move when applicable
>use a weaker move if the player's in the red to conserve PP/make it easier for the player to heal and strike back,
>sporadically use a status move with increased focus on status moves that cause ailments if the enemy isn't already ailed by one
>other than that use whatever attacking moves will deal neutral damage if possible

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 19:10:24 No.54839470 Report

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>>54839463
That's clearly not random

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 19:13:32 No.54839483 Report

Quoted By:

>>54839350
Bestiality

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 19:15:48 No.54839492 Report

Quoted By: >>54839526

>>54839423
Why does that matter? Don't say "it's better game design" because neither are better or worse. Game Freak has given you and the AI extra bonuses in battle in later games, which aren't reproducible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 19:21:20 No.54839526 Report

Quoted By: >>54839543

>>54839492
>game freak does it therefore it's good

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 19:26:33 No.54839543 Report

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>>54839526
I'm for permasun and I don't think GF has ever done it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 19:35:39 No.54839578 Report

Quoted By: >>54839654

>>54838231
>Boosts one of his moves
>Nullifies one of his weaknesses while strengthening another, much rarer weakness.
Sounds like nuanced game design, presenting a challenge with a specific, exploitable downside that rewards good play.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 19:46:52 No.54839654 Report

Quoted By: >>54839668 >>54839678 >>54839738

>>54839578
>Nullifies one of his weaknesses

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 19:47:39 No.54839664 Report

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>>54838379
You're making that up, the AI is actually pretty complex its just explicitly designed to use suboptimal moves occasionally.
For example, while I have no hard proof of this, I've played DP ALOT, and something I've noticed is that, if you're on the verge of being KO'd but could clutch the battle in like 1-2 turns, the AI will start spamming non-damaging moves to give players the opportunity to make that comeback. It happens literally all the time, the AI will battle with actual intelligence for most of the battle but once I'm in red health it will start spamming non damaging moves, allowing me to win the battle. It doesn't happen everytime, usually only when I'm in situations where the battle has been tight up to that point. I'm assuming they did this to make the game a bit more forgiving

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 19:48:41 No.54839668 Report

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>>54839654
Can't into pokemon mechanics?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 19:50:50 No.54839678 Report

Quoted By: >>54839728 >>54839754 >>54839899

>>54839654
Sun weakens water damage considerably, Steelix will be able to tank a Surf or two when it's sunny.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 20:00:56 No.54839728 Report

Quoted By: >>54840485

>>54839678
Most Pokemon that can use surf are faster though

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 20:04:01 No.54839738 Report

Quoted By:

>>54839654
?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 20:07:56 No.54839754 Report

Quoted By: >>54839793 >>54841652

>>54839678
Anon, that's not what nullification is. That's damage reduction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 20:17:31 No.54839793 Report

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>>54839754
You know what I meant you petty jerk

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 20:35:30 No.54839873 Report

Quoted By: >>54840286 >>54840429

>>54839166
>>54839249
eternally solving the type distribution with the grand underground is why I will never shit talk BDSP

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 20:36:41 No.54839877 Report

Quoted By: >>54839885

>>54839270
>Fan-fiction tier romhack team
Yeah, I just wouldn't play that shit to begin with because it's cancer.
But for an official game, I put trust in the fact that GF has never made setups this faggy outside the Emerald Battle and it's Quick Claw OHKO enemies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 20:37:42 No.54839884 Report

Quoted By: >>54839904 >>54840019

>>54839270
im not a competitive player but like what's the issue with this strategy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 20:37:43 No.54839885 Report

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>>54839877
*Battle Frontier

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 20:40:07 No.54839899 Report

Quoted By: >>54840485

>>54839678
Because steelix is well known for its speed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 20:40:32 No.54839902 Report

Quoted By:

>>54839270
looks mostly fine to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 20:40:41 No.54839904 Report

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>>54839884
it actually has a chance of beating the player and that's le bad

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 20:41:51 No.54839915 Report

Quoted By: >>54839942 >>54839962 >>54840344 >>54840491

>>54838231
How come nobody ever mention Volkner's team? oh wait its fucking garbage that's why

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 20:45:58 No.54839938 Report

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>>54839270
wow very cool anyway I use Imprison ;)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 20:46:27 No.54839942 Report

Quoted By: >>54839967 >>54840056 >>54842488

>>54839915
Why the hell does he have a Ambipom? I can sorta understand Octillery because he lives in a seaside town, but the Ambipom makes no sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 20:50:39 No.54839962 Report

Quoted By: >>54843952

>>54839915
Agility Nasty Plot Baton Pass is pretty good by game freak standards

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 20:51:54 No.54839967 Report

Quoted By:

>>54839942
Wires

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 21:00:41 No.54840005 Report

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>>54838231
What's wrong? Just because it boosts fire moves, which it's weak to? Who the fuck brings fire to fight the fire E4 member anyways, you'd bring water, which sunny day weakens. Plus it boosts fire fang, and the rest of the team, especially the solar beam to further counter water that Rapidash has. It's fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 21:03:17 No.54840019 Report

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>>54839884
Baton pass is an okay move on its own, the main problem is progress in the series has greatly overpowered it. It's powerful to the point where if used well it's near impossible to stop once started. However it's easily countered if you know it's coming up, and the pokemon/moves you use to counter it will be dead weight when going up against non-BP teams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 21:10:18 No.54840056 Report

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>>54839942
Because Pachirisu, the Pikachu line and Shinx line are the literal only Electric Types in DP Sinnoh,
Just like how the Chimchar and Ponyta lines are the literal only Fire Types in DP Sinnoh,
Just like how the Sneasel and Snover lines are the literal only Ice Types in DP Sinnoh,
Just like how the Wurmple line, Kricketot line, Burmy line, Combee line, Skorupi and Heracross are the only Bug Types in DP Sinnoh,
And all the other types represented by mid-to-late game bosses that have low distribution.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 21:17:28 No.54840089 Report

Quoted By: >>54841161

>>54838379
almost correct. Every single 1v1 trainer's AI does not work and will pick random moves... except for Volkner by some freak accident

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 21:21:57 No.54840109 Report

Quoted By: >>54841223

>>54838231
>have region with 2 (two) fire types, including the starter
>let's add a fire type specialist!
Sinnoh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 22:06:23 No.54840286 Report

Quoted By: >>54840302

>>54839873
>Houndoom is the only new fire type before getting the National Dex
>Magby too but it's version exclusive
Were they really afraid Numel would be too much?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 22:10:19 No.54840302 Report

Quoted By: >>54840449

>>54840286
Yeah man, think about all those poor NPCs with Bronzor and Bronzong who can't do Levitate/Heatproof mixups that require you to carry two different Pokemon for Fire and Ground STAB respectively, how is the Sinnoh experience supposed to be authentic if you have a Pokemon that can completely ignore that?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 22:16:39 No.54840328 Report

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>WTF I CAN'T SPAM SURF 5 TIMES TO WIN????
why is reddit like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 22:20:36 No.54840344 Report

Quoted By:

>>54839915
BDSP gave Volkner a kino team

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 22:43:15 No.54840429 Report

Quoted By: >>54840774

>>54839873
It's so poorly implemented that it unironically doesn't count. And none of the NPCs use the underground mons so it just makes the game easier - which the friendship mechanic already does as well..

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 22:45:28 No.54840439 Report

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>>54838243
It wasn't really a Sun-team, though. It was more of a random mish-mash. That said, having an E4 where the trainers all use different meta strategies could be neat.

>one uses weather
>one uses Terrain
>one uses Trick Room

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 22:46:57 No.54840442 Report

Quoted By:

>>54838393
Nice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 22:49:02 No.54840449 Report

Quoted By:

>>54840302
It has a third weakness since Steel doesn't resist Dark anymore that it's abilities can't block like it did in gen 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 22:52:46 No.54840461 Report

Quoted By: >>54840529

>>54839270
Literally ever using Smeargle against the player is just bad game design, full stop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 22:55:00 No.54840468 Report

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>>54838243
Raihan did this too, although it doesn't show well in screenshots. Each of his gym trainers specialize in different weather, which was neat when I was playing blind and expected just a Dragon gym.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 22:58:43 No.54840485 Report

Quoted By: >>54840878

>>54839728
>>54839899
It doesn't matter, even if all it does is sunny day once and then die, the entire team will be buffed while a major counter will be nerfed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 22:59:40 No.54840491 Report

Quoted By:

>>54839915
>make a shit team on purpose
>still regularly school everyone who comes to challenge you
>develop depression as a result

Sucks, man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 23:11:41 No.54840529 Report

Quoted By: >>54840605

>>54840461
It's only bad if you're doing blind nuzlockes, otherwise I want to see what meme shit it does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 10 Nov 2023 23:34:55 No.54840605 Report

Quoted By: >>54840749

>>54840529
No, it's always bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:00:50 No.54840749 Report

Quoted By: >>54840885

>>54840605
nah i want to see the funny shit it does, you don't know good game design if it hit you in the head

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:03:17 No.54840762 Report

Quoted By: >>54840769 >>54840776 >>54840787 >>54840788

I find it funny Hoenn has practically the same problem (the only fire types are Torchic, Slugma, Torkoal, and Numel) yet nobody memes on that

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:04:18 No.54840769 Report

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>>54840762
wdym, phoebe and glacia get meme'd on all the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:05:44 No.54840774 Report

Quoted By: >>54840802

>>54840429
It's implemented just fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:05:51 No.54840776 Report

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>>54840762
Because Flannery's a mid-game fire expert, so the problem isn't as noticeable. Ice, Ghost and Dragon however, that's where things get rightfully called out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:08:18 No.54840787 Report

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>>54840762
platinum has the same amount of fire types as emerald, DP only has 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:08:47 No.54840788 Report

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>>54840762
All pretty shit besides Blaziken too, I'm glad DP taught me you don't need the type itself, just the coverage. Would rather teach something Flamethrower than put up with those pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:11:25 No.54840802 Report

Quoted By: >>54840809

>>54840774
>No pokedex entries
>No level design
>Trainers don't use them
>Most of them don't make sense as to why they would be in an underground
It's rom hack tier.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:12:31 No.54840806 Report

Quoted By: >>54840838 >>54840884 >>54842812 >>54842924

>>54838231
True, couldn't they learn from the peak of the series, Hoenn?? Flint should have had two Monferno, Two Rapidash, and an Infernape.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:12:44 No.54840809 Report

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>>54840802
Which might as well be what BDSP is once you strip away its 3D, they almost certainly had to abide by the original game's scripting with imported mechanics from gen 5+.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:19:31 No.54840838 Report

Quoted By: >>54840850

>>54840806
God hoenn's E4 was such a step down from its gyms

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:21:28 No.54840850 Report

Quoted By: >>54842869

>>54840838
Its probably the worst E4. Sinnoh's E4 in DP is admittedly dogshit in DP, but at least it was improved in Platinum. Even in Hoenn's 'definitive' version, the league is awful, but it catches so much less flack than Sinnoh for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:28:08 No.54840878 Report

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>>54840485
Assuming it lives long enough to actually put Sunny Day up...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:28:49 No.54840884 Report

Quoted By: >>54840947 >>54840984 >>54842404

>>54840806
I just never understood when they give trainers, especially gym leaders or e4, repeated mons

for example, did Lance need 3 fucking dragonites?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:28:54 No.54840885 Report

Quoted By: >>54840916 >>54840919

>>54840749
"So bad it's funny" doesn't make it good just because you're childish enough to laugh at obviously bad design.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:38:22 No.54840916 Report

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>>54840885
the whole point of smeargle is it's unpredictable and can do anything. giving it the perfect moveset for its role on the team is utilizing the pokemon as intended. it's good game design

don't like battling smeargles? stick to the vanilla games

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:38:39 No.54840919 Report

Quoted By: >>54840929

>>54840885
How exactly is bad design?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:40:37 No.54840929 Report

Quoted By: >>54842416

>>54840919
"bad game design" is the new buzzword among boomers when they hate a gameplay element for a subjective reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:43:44 No.54840947 Report

Quoted By:

>>54840884
lance should've been a kaiju trainer like they made him in the stadium games

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 00:53:33 No.54840984 Report

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>>54840884
There was only one dragon type line in gen 1. It was supposed to play more like a traditional JRPG where various pokemon were designed just to be enemies. They didn't expect people to seriously use stuff like Arbok or Persian in their playthroughs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 01:34:04 No.54841127 Report

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>>54838231
Jasmine's had it too i believe

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 01:37:41 No.54841144 Report

Quoted By:

>>54839270
But why is it dressed like a tranny

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 01:42:08 No.54841161 Report

Quoted By:

>>54840089
So that's why he was undefeated for so long, kino, not gonna lie

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 02:00:50 No.54841223 Report

Quoted By: >>54841233

>>54840109
Hoenn has 3 Ice-type lines (including Regice) and it has Glacia

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 02:02:34 No.54841233 Report

Quoted By:

>>54841223
At least they had the decency of copy pasting the Glailes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 03:50:21 No.54841652 Report

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>>54839754
It's weakness to water is effectively "nullified" since water moves have damage halved in sun, don't be coy about semantics for no reason.

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Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 04:02:20 No.54841705 Report

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>>54838231
Sinnoh E4 is super based. I like how Aaron has a Drapion for his ace. Even though it's not a bug type, it evolves from a bug type and it's only weakness is ground, a type that's weak against the rest of his team

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 04:42:40 No.54841846 Report

Quoted By:

>>54839270
>weedle used magic coat
gg no re

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 04:50:43 No.54841886 Report

Quoted By: >>54841958

>>54839333
>t's bad because it gives an unfair advantage to the AI
The AI needs unfair advantages to even be MILDLY challenging lmao
The AI VERY rarely switches out of bad match-ups, almost no enemies have held items, Gen 1-3 you had overpowered boosts from badges etc etc
If anything, you have a ridiculous amount of unfair advantages in an already easy game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 04:54:05 No.54841896 Report

Quoted By:

>>54839270
>cancer
This is extremely easy to deal with, especially since it's AI

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 05:15:32 No.54841958 Report

Quoted By: >>54842009

>>54841886
The casual Pokemon player is incredibly shit at battling because the games don't challenge them enough. People would rather bitch and moan about "bad game design" and "AI should only get what I can get" instead. Gen 4 Battle Factory AI is almost completely random in the first 14 battles and most people will still lose there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 05:43:52 No.54842009 Report

Quoted By: >>54842038

>>54841958
Casual players dont even touch the battle factories, most probably drop the game before E4

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 05:53:48 No.54842038 Report

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>>54842009
The point is the first 2 sets in the Factory are basically rigged for you to win. Your draft mons get better IVs, you get almost all knowledge of your opponents beforehand, and you can swap out your shitmons for something better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 08:38:28 No.54842379 Report

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>>54839270
Ignoring how easy it would be to completely implode this team by Taunting, you know you can incorporate gimmicks without supercharging them, right? Your Psychic Terrain user might just be some Psychic gym leader that happens to lead with Indeedee and have a backup setter to discourage you from sucker punching them all to death while making even mediocre Psybeams reasonably dangerous

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 08:41:41 No.54842387 Report

Quoted By: >>54842759

>>54839423
You can use infinite weather in gen 4, THOUGH

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 08:49:59 No.54842404 Report

Quoted By:

>>54840884
Lance is a flying type specialist, he only switches to dragon in the hgss rematch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 08:52:47 No.54842416 Report

Quoted By:

>>54840929
>boomers
It's mostly zoomers who worship youtube essayists, gaming urinalists and redditors

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 09:22:29 No.54842488 Report

Quoted By:

>>54839942
Cobalt coast-land thing i guess.
They are native to the area.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 11:15:00 No.54842759 Report

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>>54842387
Drought was a Groudon exclusive at the time
Candice and Bertha have an infinite snow and sandstorm setter respectively

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 11:35:02 No.54842812 Report

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>>54840806
>half the region is water
>couldn't fit in Cloyster or Dewgong or Lapras anywhere
>for that matter, couldn't fit in Swinub near the hotsprings

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 11:51:57 No.54842869 Report

Quoted By:

>>54840850
To this day Platinum is the only game with a good E4

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 12:10:14 No.54842924 Report

Quoted By:

>>54840806
>Hoennfags will defend this

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 11 Nov 2023 16:43:25 No.54843952 Report

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>>54839962
>54839962
Too bad its one a mon with shit defense or special defense.

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