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Why is this shit still allowed?

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 16:49:10 No.54901828 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>54901838 >>54901857 >>54901937 >>54901966 >>54902485 >>54902494 >>54902536 >>54903007 >>54905099 >>54905295 >>54905410 >>54905700 >>54907003

>same BP as Stone Edge
>but, it gets 20 more accuracy than Stone Edge
>and it gets double the PP of Stone Edge
>AND it hits multiple opponents in doubles, unlike Stone Edge
>AND it’s available on more mons than Stone Edge
Like seriously, how is EQ not nerfed yet? It’s THE most no-brainer coverage move in the entire series.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 16:50:43 No.54901838 Report

Quoted By: >>54903072

>>54901828
Some moves are better than others. Bubble progresses into Water Gun. This is normal in all games, no one complains that iron weapons are weaker than steel in rpgs.

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Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 16:53:16 No.54901857 Report

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>>54901828
EQ can’t hit CHARIZARD so game freak has no problem with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:08:04 No.54901937 Report

Quoted By: >>54901948 >>54903016 >>54904766

>>54901828
stone edge doesn’t have an entire type that’s immune to it
stone edge doesn’t have an entire ability that’s immune to it
stone edge doesn’t hit your own teammates
stone edge doesn’t get utterly fucked by grassy terrain
stone edge crits more often

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:10:35 No.54901948 Report

Quoted By: >>54902230 >>54902671

>>54901937
>stone edge doesn’t hit your own teammates
stone edge doesn’t hit anyone

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:14:05 No.54901966 Report

Quoted By: >>54902205

>>54901828
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP PROVIDING COVERAGE AGAINST ONE OF THE MOST CONSISTENT TYPINGS IN THE GAME!
Raikou paws typed this post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:40:33 No.54902142 Report

Quoted By: >>54902173 >>54902211

Rock is supposed to be the high risk high reward type offensively, but the moves are never high reward enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:46:43 No.54902173 Report

Quoted By: >>54902206

>>54902142
So, it's not the high risk high reward type?
>I have this headcanon, but reality doesn't support it
Great, thanks for you post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:52:39 No.54902205 Report

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>>54901966
>raikou paws
Lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:52:51 No.54902206 Report

Quoted By: >>54902271

>>54902173
Just look at most rock moves, they have low accuracy but additional effects like increased crit chance or flinch chance. Power gem is the only strong rock move with a 100% accuracy .

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:53:21 No.54902211 Report

Quoted By: >>54902214

>>54902142
>resisted by steel
so much for reward

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:53:51 No.54902214 Report

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>>54902211
Yeah it's what I said

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:55:25 No.54902224 Report

Quoted By: >>54902244 >>54902524 >>54905415

Rock is arguably the worst defensive type rock moves should have perfect accuracy when used by a rock type

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:56:13 No.54902230 Report

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>>54901948
underrated post

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 17:58:14 No.54902244 Report

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>>54902224
To make up for rock being so ass

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 18:03:25 No.54902271 Report

Quoted By: >>54906271

>>54902206
You literally said they're not high reward.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 18:39:34 No.54902485 Report

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>>54901828
Earthquake hits your partner as well as both enemies, so there is the drawback. Furthermore, being a spread move, its base power is actually 75 unless it's single target (and your partner as a flying type still counts as a target). Earthquake is balanced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 18:40:58 No.54902494 Report

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>>54901828
Ground has a whole type and ability that is immune to it, nothing is immune to Rock.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 18:46:49 No.54902524 Report

Quoted By: >>54902667

>>54902224
It's the worse defensive type on paper. In practice, there are plenty of good rock types, and rock's special defense boost in sandstorms, as well as rock types getting stab on rock type moves (a type frequently run for coverage due to how good it is offensively) makes rock fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 18:48:48 No.54902536 Report

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>>54901828
Heatran forelegs typed this post

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 19:16:35 No.54902667 Report

Quoted By: >>54905099 >>54905282

>>54902524
Do people really run rock for coverage, or doesn't every just run boltbeam.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 19:17:05 No.54902671 Report

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>>54901948
OUCH!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 20:10:55 No.54903007 Report

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>>54901828
First of all, not all moves are even meant to be the same quality so your criticism is automatically invalid. But, second of all, EQ has its own fair share of downsides that don’t effect SE so even if moves were expected to be more or less balance the same your point is still moot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 20:12:25 No.54903016 Report

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>>54901937
OP owned

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 21 Nov 2023 20:18:35 No.54903072 Report

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>>54901838
Good point, but OP is talking about the strongest bread and butter moves of their respective type.
However, OP is still wrong and a massive faggot because the presumption that every type should be symmetrically "balanced" is ironically the death of balance. Even Ice, the most blue-pilled, pozzed type, has its place in the overall scheme, which is far more compelling than giving it e.g. the same number of resistances as Water.
A similar compelling asymmetry was lost in the physical/special split. Up to gen 3, you had to think about stuff like building your tanks around their type resistances or their inherently strongest stat. I'm still torn on whether it was worth the cost.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Nov 2023 00:10:33 No.54904766 Report

Quoted By: >>54906210

>>54901937
>stone edge doesn’t have an entire type that’s immune to it
Because rock is a shit offensive type
>stone edge doesn’t have an entire ability that’s immune to it
because ground is an OP offensive type otherwise

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Anonymous Wed 22 Nov 2023 00:36:28 No.54904880 Report

Quoted By: >>54904941

>Because rock is a shit offensive type

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Nov 2023 00:47:48 No.54904941 Report

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>>54904880
>Ice
LEL
>Bug
LUL
>Fire
Just use water
>Flying
just use electric
not to mention Stealth Rock does a fine enough job keeping out anything that'd be weak to rocks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Nov 2023 01:14:30 No.54905099 Report

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>>54901828
It was dexcut in legendas de arceusus. Also ground types don't learn anything else of their stab but Earthquake.
>>54902667
Rock coverage is more common

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Anonymous Wed 22 Nov 2023 01:42:53 No.54905282 Report

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>>54902667

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Anonymous Wed 22 Nov 2023 01:45:35 No.54905295 Report

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>>54901828
>t.

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Anonymous Wed 22 Nov 2023 02:07:26 No.54905410 Report

Quoted By: >>54905529 >>54907163

>>54901828
Power creep is such that Earthquake is a middling move offensively. Close Combat, Brave Bird, Wave Crash, Flare Blitz, Wood Hammer, Poltergeist, Draco Meteor, Hurricane, Fire Blast, Hydro Pump, Future Sight, Headlong Rush, Axe Kick, and certain signature moves like Make It Rain, Rage Fist, Blood Moon, and Gigaton Hammer all make Earthquake look mild.

100/100 just doesn't cut it in modern Pokemon. Earthquake needs a buff if anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Nov 2023 02:08:47 No.54905415 Report

Quoted By: >>54906225

>>54902224
STAB should provide a 1.1x accuracy bonus on top of the 1.5x damage bonus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Nov 2023 02:26:22 No.54905529 Report

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>>54905410
>Power creep is such that Earthquake is a middling move offensively.
You don't know much if you genuinely think this. EQ is STILL considered best-in-slot coverage for any physical attacker lucky enough to get it, Ground is an amazing offensive typing so it having a no-frills strong attacks it can just throw out is amazing. Most other types would kill to have an EQ equivalent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Nov 2023 02:55:24 No.54905700 Report

Quoted By: >>54906197

>>54901828
Stone Edge is a rock-type copy of Cross Chop, and both Cross Chop/Earthquake are from gen 1 where they did all sorts of wacky balancing. Remember Dig also being 100 BP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Nov 2023 04:48:14 No.54906197 Report

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>>54905700
Dig being 100 BP was only as crazy as it was because of how fucking early you got it. I stg Lt Surge is designed to be extremely easy, on top of receiving dig as a mandatory tm before you can reach him you can also get access to nikoking/queen, Sandlash, or an overleveled dugtrio before him pretty easily as well, not to mention barely being higher leveled than regular ass trainers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Nov 2023 04:52:23 No.54906210 Report

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>>54904766
>Because rock is a shit offensive type
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Nov 2023 04:54:28 No.54906225 Report

Quoted By:

>>54905415
1.15% Accuracy bonus
1.25% Damage Bonus

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Nov 2023 05:03:21 No.54906271 Report

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>>54902271
NTA, but I'm sure he's saying that GF intended it to be high risk, high reward, but they never gave Rock moves the oompf it needed to realize this fully.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Nov 2023 07:55:35 No.54907003 Report

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>>54901828
Flying exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 22 Nov 2023 08:44:19 No.54907163 Report

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>>54905410
Most of the moves you mentioned have a shitton of recoil, low accuracy, stat drops or a condition that prevents you from spamming them. Granted, none are bad, they are all pretty good moves, but none really has the reliability of Earthquake.

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