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Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 15:46:02 No.54957583 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>54957600 >>54957634 >>54957641 >>54957645 >>54958295 >>54958300 >>54958315 >>54958622 >>54958890 >>54959227 >>54959337

BDSP is a better game than Platinum, and anyone who disagrees hasn't actually played BDSP.
>Vastly superior Underground
>Best Battle Tower ever
>Superior Pokemon League rematches
>Superior Gym Leader rematches
>Superior Stickers Customization
>Superior Contests (way more fun than the originals)
>Superior Amity Square
>Trainer Customization
>Pokemon following you
>You can Battle Lucas/Dawn in the postgame
>No HMs
>Ramanas Park
>DS Sounds feature to change between new and old soundtracks
>Multiples of each TM
>modern QoL things like Mints and Bottle Caps

I could go on. The only thing that Platinum has over BDSP is the meme Battle Frontier, which was already a downgrade from the Emerald Battle Frontier to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 15:47:43 No.54957590 Report

Quoted By: >>54957765

bdsp is an ugly fucking turd

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 15:48:20 No.54957591 Report

Quoted By: >>54957765

It's worse for a 2021 game than both DP and Pt. That's the overarching criticism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 15:50:34 No.54957600 Report

Quoted By: >>54957765

>>54957583
The glitches were the most fun part of the game which shows how shit it was

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 15:56:11 No.54957622 Report

Quoted By: >>54957765

If I want to play diamond or pearl, I'll play it: on DS where it belongs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 15:58:59 No.54957634 Report

Quoted By: >>54957762 >>54957765 >>54957861 >>54957868 >>54958302

>>54957583
>Underground
No traps, statues clutter your drops, worse secret base customization. How is it better? Because it has Pokemon to find? Most of which were included in the Platinum dex in the actual region itself.

>battle tower
Platinum has the BF

>League rematches
It has more and better sets but also cuts the Barry rematches. The forced affection mechanics also make what could have been an otherwise challenging experience significantly easier.

>Stickers
Literally the same

>contests
No thought put into them, no skill, just a cutscene

>amity square
Literally a useless feature even in the original. Following Pokémon are badly implemented in the game as a whole with improper scaling and them not keeping up

>trainer customization
Doesn't make the whole game, and it's very limited customization. The Platinum outfits are also preorder bonuses no longer available.

>No HMs
Only legitimate improvement.

>Ramanas Park
The legendaries used to actually be inserted into dungeons and stories in the older games instead of being shoved into a soulless postgame area like Ramanas Park or Dynamax Adventures or insert SV gimmick here. Shut the fuck up.

>Infinite TMs
Bad game design. TMs should be limited to give the player challenge in resource management. SWSH perfected TMs with the TR/TM system and SV's also isn't bad since you can craft TMs progressively easier as you advance through the game. Going back to the black and white infinite TM system is a downgrade.

Where's the Frontier? Distortion World? Improved dex distribution? Improved level curve by shifting the gym order? Improved aesthetic changes giving Sinnoh more personality?

>Modern QoL
Yet they can't even be bothered to include modern Pokemon. You can't pick and choose what to include.

I'm glad BDSP hacks exist because ignoring the Plat improvements when they made BDSP is a complete slap in the face to fans.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 16:01:00 No.54957641 Report

Quoted By: >>54957765

>>54957583
>Fairy type that ruined the type chart and appeals to trannies
>Always on EXP All that prevents you from raising your Pokemon how you want
>Happiness is gone, replaced with a mechanic that makes the game even more pathetically easy, so easy that it overrides all of the boss team improvements
>Turns take even longer than D/P
>Incredibly ugly artstyle
>Following Pokemon are hilariously poorly done. Just look at Rayquaza
>Vastly inferior Underground
>No Battle Frontier
>Insane moveset nerfs to Pokemon
>Only Unown can learn Hidden Power

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 16:01:51 No.54957645 Report

Quoted By: >>54957765

>>54957583
This place liking garbage shovelwarr like BDSPiss and Scat and Toilet will never not be hilarious.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 16:19:38 No.54957725 Report

Quoted By: >>54957784

Does it matter if the only Sinnoh games I played are Pearl and Legends Arceus?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 16:25:30 No.54957762 Report

Quoted By: >>54957842

>>54957634
Secret bases are better in BDSP because they actually serve a gameplay purposes rather than being meaningless clutter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 16:26:51 No.54957765 Report

Quoted By: >>54957848

>>54957590
>>54957591
>>54957600
>>54957622
>>54957634
>>54957641
>>54957645
You haven't played the game, just like I said in the OP :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 16:29:13 No.54957784 Report

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>>54957725
BDSP is the best Sinnoh game

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 16:39:57 No.54957842 Report

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>>54957762
Spawning the same Pokemon in the underground you could find in the region itself in Platinum

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 16:41:17 No.54957848 Report

Quoted By: >>54957874 >>54957922 >>54957956

>>54957765
no one fucking cares, bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 16:43:36 No.54957861 Report

Quoted By: >>54957923

>>54957634
>but also cuts the Barry rematches
What do you mean?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 16:45:49 No.54957868 Report

Quoted By: >>54957923

>>54957634
i agreed with everything you said until the point about infinite tms being bad. fuck that shit, tms should always be infinite for the sake of multiplayer and experimentation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 16:46:45 No.54957874 Report

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>>54957848
You cared enough to reply, bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 16:53:50 No.54957918 Report

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sometimes people actually say "no hms" as if its a good thing. i like teaching my pokemon hms. all they need to do is make them deletable and theyre fine

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 16:54:09 No.54957922 Report

Quoted By: >>54957932

>54957874
see >>54957848

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 16:54:11 No.54957923 Report

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>>54957868
So you just missed the explanation? Infinite TMs are bad for the campaign which is why I said Swsh and SV did it right because they're one time use for the campaign or very hard to farm while you have limited resources and very easy to farm in the postgame.

>>54957861
In Platinum you could rematch Barry until he had a team in the mid 80s. AFAIK that's cut in BDSP and he peaks in the mid 60s.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 16:55:42 No.54957932 Report

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>>54957922
Cope harder

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 16:59:35 No.54957956 Report

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>54957932
>>54957848

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 17:18:30 No.54958073 Report

Quoted By: >>54958079 >>54958095 >>54958155

BDSP is a completely disspapointing and bad game. Here are some reasons why it is:

1. Faithfulness: Unlike other remakes, this game literally copy & pastes 90% of the game from diamond/pearl. Diamond/Pearl are games from 2006. You cannot copy almost everything from a game that more than 10 years old. (Remember this is a remake not a remaster!). Almost everything: All dialogs, the storyline, the art style, the national dex, old pokemon encounters and even the Poketch were copy & pasted to this game. Pokemon games have been improved in the past years and had many quality of life changes like 3D art style, overworld Pokemon encounters and reusable TMs. None of these changes were adapted to the game which is just sad. This game is too faithful and faithful sounds more like a excuse for lazyness.

2. Not-Platinum-Based: So they copy & pasted 90% from the old Sinnoh game but not based on Platinum? Diamond & Pearl had several weaknesses and Platinum fixed many of them and included many Quality of Life changes. Here are some Platinum improvements over Diamond/Pearl: It extends the storyline with additional content, new dialogs, new characters like Charon and a new map Distortion world (loved it). The rival was a bit too weak in Diamond/Pearl which was fixed in Plat. The Poketch has 2 Buttons. It has the battle frontier. And finally: the Sinnoh dex which was baaad in Dia/Pearl was fixed (too less fire pokemon, many sinnoh mons were post-game restricted and gym leaders used off-Type pokemon). ALL of these great changes where NOT included in BDSP. That makes BDSP a worse Sinnoh remake than Platinum which was released in 2008.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 17:19:31 No.54958079 Report

Quoted By: >>54958087 >>54958155

>>54958073
4. Underground/Super-Contest: The old underground allowed to create your own living room with furnitures and set traps to troll friends online. Both were removed for a statue system which is really boring. Collecting statues and the effects of the statues are really disapointing. The Super-Contest used to be a fun-mode where you had many different options and varities and had to have good reflexes to do the correct moves at the correct time. Now all you have to do is Press A at the correct time and use 1 attack. That makes this mode so boring and disapointing. I mean, was it really that hard to let the player press like 4 different buttons instead of just A??

5. Art-Style: Many of us expected a modern review of Sinnoh in a 3D human like Art-style. But they decided to go for the Chibi-Art-Style. Everyone has different tastes but in my opinion the Chibi-Art-Style ruins many serious moments of the story line of this game, especially vs team galactic. It feels like all the emotions of the characters were removed. The reason why it was used in Diamond/Pearl was because of the limited hardware. In my opinion the Chibi-Art-Style waas the wrong decision and does suit a switch game at all.

6. Only Gen 4: BDSP has a national dex which includes the pokemon from Gen 1-4 which is basically the same as Diamond/Pearl. As a player who would have loved to see at least some Pokemon from Gen 5-8 in Sinnoh, i am very disapointed. At least some Pokemon post Gen4, or some new forms or at least Sylveon. Not even mega-forms were included in this game. The fact that 95% of the megas are from Gen1-4 and the underground being the perfect place to grind the mega-stones, makes this decision even more disapointing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 17:20:32 No.54958087 Report

Quoted By: >>54958096 >>54958155

>>54958079
7. PVP: On of the worst things in this game is everything arround PVP. The worst disrespect a main series pokemon game can get, is when GameFreak calls that all the competitive tournaments will not take place in BDSP. Unlike Sword/Shield, you have no option to search for PVP matches which makes it way harder to find battles. But the worst thing is the grind for a PvP team: TMs are not reusable (WHY?!). For some important TMs like Earthquake, you have to grind for 80BP (WTF). Also you cannot catch pokemon with hidden abilities except those from poke radar. To get the hidden ability you have to grind for the ability patch for 200BP (WTF). By putting important PVP items behind such ridiculously high grind walls, it makes creating a PVP team disgusting.

8. Events: The events were also copy & pasted from Diamond/Pearl. Same Shaymin event, same Darkrai event. And other events are only accesible if you bought other main series pokemon game. And finally some garbage "events" which include some useless statues. Meanwhile, the 3 year old SW/SH getting better and innovative events like new PVP cups/tournaments and some legendary shinies. In my opinion the events in BDSP are disapointing.

9. Bugs/Glitches: Holy Moly! This game had so many bugs and glitches! You dont even need hacks, when the game itself has to many glitches. Many of them where completely broken. Many Pokemon clone glitches and item dupe glitches ruined the game. You could even get infinity money, create your own shinies (WTF), make your pokemon 6IV and let any Pokemon learn any move. I used to be in a discord for trading in BDSP and because of the glitches, the trade market was only about getting shiny 6IVs etc.

Not to forget to mention the soft locks which made you restart the whole game. Usually every games has a few bugs. But this had too many and too many game breaking glitches.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 17:21:28 No.54958095 Report

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>>54958073
Reusable TMs are in the game. Why lie? Was this written by cgpt?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 17:21:34 No.54958096 Report

Quoted By: >>54958155

>>54958087
10. Controls: The controls of this game feel weird and uncomfortable. Characters move in a grid which looks so weird during the storyline. The pokemon who follow me often block me in a bad way. The underground has many inivisible walls which make moving in some rooms horrible. And finally the control with the cycle are horrible. It feels so uncomfortable moving with the cycle, i sometimes even prefer walking.

11. Conclusion: It feels like GameFreak didnt want to do a Sinnoh remake but wanted to milk some money by releasing the highly demanded Sinnoh remake. The fact that, they hired a 3rd party company who never developed a major game, only supports this theory. Not forget to mention that, BDSP had a giant day one patch which was essential to enjoy the game. The fact that they released Legends Arceus also supports the theory, that they didnt care at all for this remake. Because of the release of Legends Arceus, the hiring of ILCA, the amount of glitches, the boring events, the exclusion of VGC, the 0 Innovation in this game and the fact that the majority of the game is copy & paste of a 2006 game (Dia/Pearl) which is worse than a 2008 Game (Platinum), makes this game the worst remake of all time in my opinion.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 17:30:36 No.54958155 Report

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>>54958073
>>54958079
>>54958087
>>54958096

I actually read your entire post. I disagree with everything you said.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 17:50:21 No.54958295 Report

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>>54957583
they are about equal

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 17:50:49 No.54958300 Report

Quoted By: >>54958325

>>54957583
I hate the argument people make that it's a "faithful remake" when it's clear as day they only say that because reddit says it was

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 17:51:00 No.54958302 Report

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>>54957634
>>Stickers
>Literally the same
You haven't played the fucking game LMFAO. In DPPt you can place up to 8 Stickers on your PokeBall. In BDSP you can place up to 20. And there's a bigger variety of stickers to choose from.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 17:52:54 No.54958315 Report

Quoted By: >>54958338

>>54957583
I played them, and it was shit.
Platinum is better.
No amount of whataboutism about Emerald's Frontier will be relevant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 17:54:49 No.54958325 Report

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>>54958300
Yep. BDSP is a "faithful remake" only in terms of graphics and plot. Pretty much EVERYTHING else has been renewed.

The people saying that BDSP is a "faithful remake" haven't actually played the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 17:56:49 No.54958338 Report

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>>54958315
You have shit taste, then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 18:40:59 No.54958622 Report

Quoted By: >>54958694

>>54957583
I played it and regret it. Fuck this sad excuse for a remake and especially fuck you OP

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 18:47:12 No.54958658 Report

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I like them both, and appreciate the fact that they are different enough that you can have a good time with either of them. I just wish BDSP was more challenging, a drayano style hack of it would be kino if it ever becomes possible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 18:52:34 No.54958694 Report

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>>54958622
Shit taste detected

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 19:21:01 No.54958890 Report

Quoted By: >>54959173

>>54957583
That stuff you said about technical machines and battle tower was done better on ultra moon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 20:14:49 No.54959173 Report

Quoted By: >>54959309

>>54958890
USUM is a great game too, no question about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 20:24:57 No.54959227 Report

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>>54957583
>vastly superior underground
Depends on what your end goal is for the Grand Underground
>best BT ever
True if and only if you don't care about record mixing/WiFi Tower teams
>superior League rematches
true
>superior sticker customization
First false, no letters make it feel less personal
>superior contests
Not at all, using moves in a different turn based way far surpasses a dumb rhythm minigame
>superior amity square
Amity Square was always and is still a shit
>customization
Could have taken or left, it's not that meaningful if it's just extra costumes
>Pokémon following you
Okay? This never added anything, even when people dick sucked it in HGSS to no end
>Lucas/Dawn postgame
Their teams are cool
>no HMs
Nice but I should have the option to use HMs
>Ramanas Park
Wow the opportunity to catch all of the legendaries that I have been able to catch since gen 6, very cool
>DS sounds
Not nostalgic or archaic enough to be exciting
>multiples of each TM
Okay
>QoL for training
For all of the Pokémon I have had perfect since gen 7?

At best, BDSP is an awkward sidegrade if you only care about certain things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 20:40:37 No.54959295 Report

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This entire thread has basically been like: "BDSP is shit because [insert nitpick] and also because [insert another nitpick]. Oh and also because [insert another nitpick].

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 20:41:54 No.54959305 Report

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This entire thread has basically been like: "BDSP is shit because [insert nitpick] and also because [insert another nitpick]. Oh and also because [insert another fucking nitpick]."

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 20:42:33 No.54959309 Report

Quoted By: >>54959946

>>54959173
I may like Salandit line and the UBs a lot but this is not true

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 20:45:10 No.54959324 Report

Quoted By: >>54959338 >>54959443

BDSP is a 8.5-9/10 game

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 20:46:37 No.54959337 Report

Quoted By: >>54959440 >>54959469

>>54957583
I can get one BD in second hand by $25, is it worth it? I'm not sure if the game is worth...

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 20:46:52 No.54959338 Report

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>>54959324
loool by pokemon standards maybe. it's still mediocre slop compared to anything else

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 21:04:27 No.54959440 Report

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>>54959337
I pirated it and I still want my 60 dollars back.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 21:05:07 No.54959442 Report

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Which pokemon game would be ideal for me?
>ultra easy game
>game where leveling up is very very easy
>linear game
>game where it is impossible to get stuck
>game for casual gamers
>game where it is impossible to lose a fight
>easier game than let's go games

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 21:05:21 No.54959443 Report

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>>54959324
>BDSP is a 8.5-9/10 game
This guy gets it

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 21:09:28 No.54959469 Report

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>>54959337
Yes, the game is more than worth it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 01 Dec 2023 22:26:18 No.54959946 Report

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>>54959309
I unironically think that USUM is the best game of the 3DS era.

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