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Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 16:17:35 No.54991956 View View Reply Original Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 16:18:21 No.54991967 Report

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no u

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 16:18:55 No.54991974 Report

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>[fanfic tier]
why should I care exactly

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 16:19:17 No.54991978 Report

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>>54991956
>a Johto starter being allowed to have value
lol
Lmao even

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 17:19:34 No.54992574 Report

Quoted By: >>54992598 >>54992617 >>54992955 >>55001687

>>54991956
Is he really?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 17:22:40 No.54992598 Report

Quoted By: >>54994722 >>54995276 >>54995705 >>54997723

>>54992574
Terra Water+Sheer force+Life orb+Liquidate
A single Dragon dance is all it takes.
Water absorb needed on every team form now on.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 17:24:47 No.54992607 Report

Quoted By: >>54992760

>>54991956
What'd it get?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 17:26:09 No.54992617 Report

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>>54992574
No it won't be, sorry anon.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 17:36:49 No.54992694 Report

Quoted By: >>54994734

>>54991956
>outspeeds and one shots your shitmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 17:46:06 No.54992760 Report

Quoted By: >>54992803 >>54992857

>>54992607
It has Dragon dance and sheer force+life orb boosted Liquidate.
On top of that Terra Water gives it a free adaptability boost.
BTW the Sheer force+Life Orb boost only applies after STAB so it gets a 122Bp move before Sheer force and Life orb come into play.
Basically every team has to run a Corviknight, Dondozo, Water Ogre or Water absorb mon to survive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 17:51:41 No.54992803 Report

Quoted By: >>54992834 >>54993052

>>54992760
>It has Dragon dance and sheer force+life orb boosted Liquidate.
It already had basically that with Waterfall

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 17:57:03 No.54992834 Report

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>>54992803
Liquidation is stronger & outclasses Waterfall as Sheer Force removes the flinch chance the latter move had going for it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 17:59:46 No.54992857 Report

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>>54992760
>Gets OHKO'd or revenge killed
Oops

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 18:11:06 No.54992955 Report

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>>54992574
Unlikely, though itll probably be viable. Its going to hit extremely hard with tera, but the issue is twofold. 1. It becomes a tera hog, which is undesirable, and 2. Even with DD, itll be frequently outpaced due to Booster Energy being so common. Its going to need 2 DDs to consistently sweep, and at that point something like Salamence would be doing your role more or less the same anyways.

Itll still hit hard as fuck though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 18:27:14 No.54993052 Report

Quoted By: >>54994623

>>54992803
Liquidation is marginally stronger.
What is important tho is the 69% sheer force+life orb boost after terra.

Calculating with STAB that is:
85X2+117= 287 BP
That is before calculating anything like Dragon Dance in it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 18:35:27 No.54993109 Report

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khu is my husbando

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 22:16:27 No.54994617 Report

Quoted By: >>54994687

>>54992857
Doesn’t happen

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 22:17:51 No.54994623 Report

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>>54993052
What’s the effective bp if you go for a defensive tera?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 22:27:18 No.54994687 Report

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>>54994617
Yeah, because it hasn't been used in high tiers since Gen 6 despite it getting Sheer Force when ORAS was the main game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 22:29:58 No.54994697 Report

Quoted By: >>54994748 >>54995298

Is this the sub 1300 elo thread? You are hyped for a generic terra stab sweeper? It'll be shit and the same 12 pokemon will dominate. Especially because this is by far the worst modern gen for set up sweepers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 22:35:12 No.54994722 Report

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>>54992598
literally my mom's dracovish

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 22:36:36 No.54994734 Report

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>>54991956
Honestly, Probably
>>54992694
She's UU for a reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 22:40:22 No.54994748 Report

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>>54994697
White women detected

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 22:42:09 No.54994760 Report

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>>54991956
Outclassed by Quaquaval as a Water type sweeper, or other DD users

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 22:43:49 No.54994768 Report

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>>54994760
>Outclassed by quaquaval out of all pokemon
Embarrassing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 22:55:34 No.54994826 Report

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>>54994760
No

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 22:57:01 No.54994839 Report

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>>54991956
Why does his face look like that? is he retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 23:54:02 No.54995204 Report

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>>54994839
Close your camera app

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 23:55:31 No.54995215 Report

Quoted By: >>54995234

>>54995204
You just made things even worse

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 23:57:49 No.54995234 Report

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>>54995215
Lock your screen so you don't see your wallpaper which is a picture of your wife, who's a 5/10 face wise but is 6,5 with huge tits and is currently pregnant with your child mean those huge amazonian tits will soon produce enough milk to keep you full for months on end

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 07 Dec 2023 23:59:36 No.54995251 Report

Quoted By: >>54995388

>>54994722
Dracovish at home

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 00:00:24 No.54995259 Report

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>>54994760
>Quaquaval
KEK!!!

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 00:02:22 No.54995276 Report

Quoted By: >>54995291

>>54992598
Even if it ran Jolly 252 Speed, it'd only hit 420 speed after a Dragon Dance. Dragapult at Timid 252 hits 421, easily revenge killing Feraligatr. Ugly gator is going down to UU, probably RU because of power creep

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 00:05:18 No.54995291 Report

Quoted By: >>54995362

>>54995276
>timid
Good one

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 00:05:59 No.54995298 Report

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>>54994697
>worst modern gen for set up sweepers
That's so completely wrong that I don't know if you've paid attention at all. This gen has been heaven for setup sweepers due to hazards + tera. So many setup sweepers have been banned that Ubers UU is lousy with them. Espathra, Volcarona, Palafin, Annihilape, Ursaluna-BM, Ogerpon, Baxcalibur and on and on. Kingambit is king of OU, and OU also has tons of deadly setup sweepers with Dragapult, Ceruledge, Ogerpon, Dragonite, Garchomp, Moth, Valiant, Manaphy...

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Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 00:08:21 No.54995315 Report

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>>54994760
Quaquaval is indeed better. But also, Feraligatr is no more scary than Manaphy.

>+1 252+ Atk Sheer Force Tera Water Feraligatr Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew: 342-404 (84.6 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

>+3 252 SpA Tera Water Manaphy Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mew: 408-482 (100.9 - 119.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 00:17:39 No.54995362 Report

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>>54995291

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 00:21:46 No.54995385 Report

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>>54995362
>fanfic meta
Ermmmmm

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 00:22:03 No.54995388 Report

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>>54994722
>>54995251
You say that in a gen that gave us Tera Manaphy and Palafin

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Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 00:38:47 No.54995477 Report

Quoted By: >>54995487 >>54995523 >>54995605 >>54997973 >>54998092

How good is /your starter/ /vp/?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 00:41:48 No.54995487 Report

Quoted By: >>54995502 >>54995605

>>54995477
Meganium deserves better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 00:43:44 No.54995502 Report

Quoted By: >>54995605 >>54995613

>>54995487
>Denied good stats and typing in its debut game
>Denied good moves over the subsequent generations
>Denied a good dreamworld ability in Gen 5
>Denied being in Pokemon games since 2018
Game Freak really hates the thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 00:47:55 No.54995523 Report

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>>54995477
Blaziken might get banned too. The one thing holding it back in Gen 8 was its type, and now it can change that.
>Tera Ghost + Close Combat
>Tera Dragon + Flare Blitz
>Acrobatics + Flare Blitz + Close Combat
The only thing holding it back, really, is Dondozo, but that didn't stop Sneasler from getting banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 00:52:49 No.54995547 Report

Quoted By: >>54995572 >>54996035

>>54994760
>Quaquaval
JUST GIVE HIM AXE KICK GODDAMNIT

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 00:56:33 No.54995572 Report

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>>54995547
Close Combat is more than good enough.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 01:02:01 No.54995605 Report

Quoted By: >>54995634 >>54995760

>>54995477
you forgot H.Typhlosion, That's been constantly strong in RU with occasional UU usage.

Also what's stopping Blaziken from becoming ubers. Being able to Defensively Tera as it sets up and builds up speed

Also how is Inteleon Unteired? last time I checked it was NU.

>>54995487
>>54995502
>Umm. Meganium's supposed be bad because its based on an extinct thing
>Wait many extinct Pokemon are viable
>Umm its supposed be to weak because Grass is the weak type
>Wait many Grass types are actaully good when they're allowed to get nice things
>Umm.its supposed to be weak because herbivores are weak
>Literally watch ANY nature documentary
>Umm.. its supposed be to weak because its girly
>Fairy is among the best types in the game and most of those are pink fluff balls and pixies, and even ignoring that there are plenty of viable feminine Pokemon
>Ummm Johto bad
>why is Johto bad?
>because the starters are weak
>Then buff them
>Ummmm Ummmmm Ummm

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 01:04:32 No.54995613 Report

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>>54995502
>Denied good moves over the subsequent generations
Watch as Meganium and Typhlosion still don't get anything despite every motherfucker out there getting everything they need and then extras.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 01:07:28 No.54995634 Report

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>>54995605
There's going to be a glut of strong Water type attackers that are going to push Inteleon down out of NU. My thinking was that Sceptile being so good in PU (thanks to Tera) would seriously cut into Inteleon's usage. Though it might just stick around in PU because of Charizard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 01:10:35 No.54995649 Report

Quoted By: >>54995665

>>54991956
Meowscarada resists and OHKOs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 01:12:53 No.54995665 Report

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>>54995649
+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tera Water Feraligatr Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Meowscarada: 299-352 (102 - 120.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 01:19:04 No.54995705 Report

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>>54992598
alakazam used counter

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 01:28:12 No.54995760 Report

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>>54995605
>Umm. Meganium's supposed be bad because its based on an extinct thing
*cue in all the shitposters who preach the "extinct for a reason" gospel*

>Umm. Meganium's supposed be bad because its based on an extinct thing
People actually use this for an argument?

>Umm.its supposed to be weak because herbivores are weak
>Literally watch ANY nature documentary
Oh this is a rich one. (laughs in hippopotamuses killing crocodiles)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 01:30:33 No.54995770 Report

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>>54991956
chie

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 02:30:23 No.54996035 Report

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>>54995547
Quaquaval needs a better coverage move, not a downgrade over Close Combat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 09:02:11 No.54997555 Report

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Better Gyarados

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 10:08:23 No.54997723 Report

Quoted By: >>54997777 >>54997933

>>54992598
>Revenge killed by Rillaboom
>Revenge killed by common scarfers
>Revenge killed by Iron Valiant
>Revenge killed by Walking Wake with Speed boost
>Revenge killed by Raging Bolt who gets Electric type Sucker Punch
>Revenge killed by Dragonite
>Revenge killed by Dragapult as +1 Dragon Dance is not enough to outspeed Dragapult (+1 Sheer Force + Life Orb Liquidation doesn’t even kill either)

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 10:28:50 No.54997777 Report

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>>54997723
>Headcanon
BOOM

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 11:30:46 No.54997933 Report

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>>54997723
Holy shit do people love to focus on every possible negative scenario there is for certain Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 11:45:10 No.54997973 Report

Quoted By: >>54998403

>>54995477
>HSamurott
>OU
>While literally every OU mon can OHKO it with a sneeze (remember, most Uber bans will come back)
>While Gliscor makes him obsolete at the one thing his decent at (setting up spikes)
>While he can barely 3hkos the few mons he outspeeds
Sorry Samucucks, your days of glory have ended.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 12:22:07 No.54998092 Report

Quoted By: >>54998418

>>54995477
>Sharing a tier (or lack thereof) with fucking Meganium
What went wrong with Intelleon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 13:57:59 No.54998403 Report

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>>54997973
>Gliscor
>He doesn't know

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 14:05:42 No.54998418 Report

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>>54998092
Meganium bad.

Upvotes to the left fellow Redditor!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 17:01:22 No.54999158 Report

Quoted By: >>54999888

>Jiren out of nowhere

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 19:29:26 No.54999888 Report

Quoted By: >>55003165

>>54999158
No one posted about Jiren anyways.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 08 Dec 2023 20:18:33 No.55000135 Report

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Why is /vp/ so bad at comp?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Dec 2023 00:52:16 No.55001687 Report

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>>54992574
Used to be, back in Gen 4.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 09 Dec 2023 05:36:23 No.55003165 Report

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>>54999888
>lying
RUN

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