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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 01:27:54 No.55013952 View View Reply Original Report

We are within 100 hours of knowing whether or not the Paradox Pokemon are actually from the Ancient Past/Distant Future or if they were manifested via dreams/imagination! I hope you are all as excited for this revelation as I am! This thread will be your FINAL opportunity to express your thoughts, and try you will to make it count.

Scenarios for Time Travel to win definitively:
>Creation powers never being mentioned
>A character time-traveling
>Seeing Past/Future
>Time-related explanation for paradox's with Heath
Scenarios for Imagination to win definitively:
>Time Machine explicitly proven to not be one
>Terapagos explicitly having creation powers
>Impossible creations coming true
>Imagination manifestation actually happening for us all to see

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 01:29:12 No.55013957 Report

Quoted By: >>55018524

Time for another poll

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 01:30:31 No.55013962 Report

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I will be expecting a well articulated apology post from the imaginationschizos.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 01:31:19 No.55013966 Report

Quoted By: >>55013987

>>55013952
>>Impossible creations coming true
happening with the legendaries

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 01:31:35 No.55013967 Report

Quoted By: >>55014453 >>55016443 >>55019949

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 01:32:15 No.55013972 Report

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It's both. The proof is in the limited time events.
The Dialga and Palkia Tera raids represent time travel.
The Darkrai and Shiny Lucario distributions represent imagination.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 01:35:38 No.55013987 Report

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>>55013966
I'm assuming you mean the Beasts, in which it is not impossible. It could be the Paradox's that died in the towers or their descendants. Better yet, what if the same event that caused Paradoxes to exist in Heath's time (right before the towers fell) led to those Paradox Legends being present at the tower to die. Then there's the theory that Ho-oh recreated them in the image of the Paradox Legends, meaning they're still ancestors. Regardless of which one, it's by no means "impossible". The game doesn't even seem to suggest anything is wrong with them being in existence.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 01:39:40 No.55014004 Report

Quoted By: >>55014036 >>55014684

>>55013952
It won't be explained and we won't get an answer chads where you at?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 01:46:06 No.55014036 Report

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>>55014004
FINAL COUNTDOWN TO ATLANTIS BEING PROVEN TRUE LET’S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 01:49:39 No.55014048 Report

Quoted By: >>55014118 >>55014692 >>55014933 >>55015394

What are the chances that they just straight up skip Entei?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 01:53:59 No.55014065 Report

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>>55013952
here's what'll happen:
>terapagos's powers will be shown/explained
>the hidden treasure of area zero will be revealed
that's it. they won't textdump every little intricacy regarding paradox pokemon or the time machine and what terapagos's powers mean for them
anyone expecting game freak to do anything more than the bare minimum necessary to wrap up the story is setting themselves up for disappointment

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 01:54:49 No.55014071 Report

Quoted By: >>55014084

Fuck i unironically can't wait it has been a reeeally long year it will be extremely satisfying to know the truth once for all it was fun to see both sides discuss it few games have raised such a fuss of theories and discussions and you know what? i hope gen 10 does it again

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 01:56:00 No.55014076 Report

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>>55013952
>This thread will be your FINAL opportunity to express your thoughts
It wont. The DLC is official material, meaning /vp/ won't take it into account. It releasing and providing any answer wont change anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 01:57:33 No.55014084 Report

Quoted By: >>55014099

>>55014071
I'm a bit peeved that I missed those events. Now I know I'll have to do some expert trading to get those, since there's no way they'll be just catchable down in the deeper Area Zero levels when Raging Bolt and Iron Crown are advertised as the spotlights of the respective Paradox Trios.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 02:00:19 No.55014099 Report

Quoted By: >>55014113 >>55014174 >>55017127

>>55014084
They have to be catchable normally. These things aren't even legendaries, let alone mythicals.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 02:01:11 No.55014104 Report

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>>55013952
You new niggas are lame. What happened to leak season having actual leaks? How is it nobody has leaked Indigo Disk yet. Pointless now

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 02:03:12 No.55014113 Report

Quoted By: >>55014176

>>55014099
Wait, they're not?

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 02:03:53 No.55014118 Report

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>>55014048
0%

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 02:17:42 No.55014174 Report

Quoted By: >>55014500

>>55014099
the datamined indigo disk dex has them in it, so they will be catchable normally

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 02:18:08 No.55014176 Report

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>>55014113
I'd say they still are legendary, regardless of what game code says. Ultra beasts are legendary in the code but common in their worlds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 03:12:26 No.55014447 Report

Quoted By: >>55014459

>>55013952
they aren't gonna tell us, but they're imaginary

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 03:13:27 No.55014453 Report

Quoted By: >>55014459

>>55013967
man, that guy looks retarded

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 03:15:27 No.55014459 Report

Quoted By: >>55014480 >>55014517

>>55014447
>>55014453
Hey schizo, samefagging is extremely obvious.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 03:19:39 No.55014480 Report

Quoted By: >>55014521

>>55014459
That's not what samefagging means, retard
Oh but hey while you're here- was there also a separate unrelated time travel device built into Oni mountain, or have time travel fags come up with some other cope for that?
Also what does the "make any kind of technology just work with no explanation" quality of the tera crystals have to do with the type changing stuff?

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 03:25:29 No.55014500 Report

Quoted By: >>55016406

>>55014174
where is that dex leak?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 03:28:30 No.55014515 Report

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>>55013952
I could see them leaving it intentionally vague in order to solidify the paradox component of their lore. I hope they don't

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 03:29:08 No.55014517 Report

Quoted By: >>55014527

>>55014459
hey timetranny you’re projecting too hard with you being the singular minority screeching that imagination is all one person when it’s one of the biggest theories

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 03:30:16 No.55014521 Report

Quoted By: >>55014538

>>55014480
>posts 1 minute and 1 second apart
>support the same schizo narrative
Obviously a samefag
>unrelated time travel device
I’m assuming by this you mean crystal pool being a way to see ancestors, which isn’t unrelated. It literally has Tera crystals inside. How does that mean the Time Machine isn’t real?
As for your second point, not only is it perfectly feasible for a newly discovered substance to have more than one property, but there are real materials that “optimize the performance of machinery” in the same way Tera crystals are described. You’re just grasping at straws like you were thirteen months ago, anon.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 03:30:27 No.55014523 Report

Quoted By: >>55018811

>>55013952
What time is the ID being released? Midnight EST right as the 14th starts?
If so, we've about 98 or so hours until then, yeah?

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 03:31:26 No.55014527 Report

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>>55014517
>muh ad populum
So Guzma is Xurkitree then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 03:35:59 No.55014538 Report

Quoted By: >>55014793

>>55014521
>Obviously a samefag
Again anon, that's not what that word means
Both of those posts are replying to entirely different people
>It literally has Tera crystals inside. How does that mean the Time Machine isn’t real?
Oh no no no not like this timesisters, time travel fags don't even know the openly stated plot details of the game they're lorecrafting for
Tera crystals themselves are not time machines, and merely were able to make the time machine tech work, just like they make AI and everything else work
>there are real materials that “optimize the performance of machinery” in the same way Tera crystals are described
lol
lmao, even

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 04:10:11 No.55014667 Report

Quoted By: >>55014687 >>55019949

Very normal not schitzo behavior

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 04:14:14 No.55014684 Report

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>>55014004
This

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 04:14:39 No.55014687 Report

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>>55014667
>7am
It's the imaginationfag false flagging, they're some europoor so the time matches up with their schedule.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 04:15:14 No.55014692 Report

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>>55014048
I would say like 70% chance

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 04:48:37 No.55014793 Report

Quoted By: >>55014814

>>55014538
>replying to different people
That’s doesn’t make it not samefaggibg
>you don’t know anything
You haven’t even made a point
>tera crystals aren’t time machines
No one said they were. They optimize machinery, among other abilities. I’m still waiting for your point.
Maybe you can allocate your time constructing proper reasoning with your posts instead of sitting around and waiting to argue about something semantic.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 04:51:07 No.55014805 Report

Quoted By: >>55014837 >>55014939 >>55016690 >>55018453 >>55025091

>>55013952
I don't care about the imagination vs. time travel argument but can we please for the love of God get some actual names for the paradox Pokemon that aren't two words
Koraidon isn't called the Winged King but we're expected to still use shit like Sandy Shocks and Flutter Mane. Please for the love of fucking God can we get some actual Pokemon names before we end this gen

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 04:53:52 No.55014814 Report

Quoted By: >>55016382

>>55014793
>That’s doesn’t make it not samefaggibg
Samefagging is when you pretend to be a different person replying to the same posts, not when you post more than once in the same thread
>No one said they were. They optimize machinery, among other abilities.
So your cope is in fact that there's time travel tech hidden in Oni mountain

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 05:01:44 No.55014837 Report

Quoted By: >>55014873 >>55016690

>>55014805
>actual names for the paradox Pokemon that aren't two words
Ok then cringekino incoming
>Great tusk
Korainphan
>Brute bonnet
Ungaboonguss
>Sandy shocks
Magnedune
>Flutter mane
Missdevious
>Slither wing
Larvestomp
>Roaring moon
Salamenace
>Scream tail
Jigglybleuff
>Walking wake
Torrentodon
>Raging bolt
Stormopod
Now the future
>Iron treads
Mirainphan
>Iron boundle
Deliborg
>Iron thorns
Tyranitron
>Iron moth
Solarona
>Iron hands
Plasmayama
>Iron valiant
Enguarde(voir)
>Iron leaves
Espadama
>Iron crown
idk

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 05:05:03 No.55014847 Report

Quoted By: >>55014861 >>55014883

>>55013952
Reminder that you're literally not getting an answer as to where the Paradox Pokemon truly come from or they stop being paradoxes.
They're an allegory for the Academy Treasure Hunt, something with no "correct" answer, but you're encouraged to believe whatever you want because it's the best you'll get.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 05:09:29 No.55014861 Report

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>>55014847
>where the Paradox Pokemon truly come from
Terapagos

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 05:12:30 No.55014873 Report

Quoted By: >>55016690

>>55014837
Sclaret:
Great Tusk - Dinphan
Scream Tail - Jigglytuff
Brute Bonnet - Abungoos
Flutter Mane - Manefortune
Slither Wing - Walkarona
Sandy Shocks - Magnemight
Roaring Moon - Salamenace
Walking Wake - Suicruel

Violet:
Iron Treads - Donfen
Iron Bundle - Delibundle
Iron Jugulis - Hydrairon
Iron Moth - Voltariona
Iron Thorns -Tyrectro
Iron Valiant - Galdevoir
Iron Leaves - Magenion

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 05:14:58 No.55014883 Report

Quoted By: >>55014904 >>55016647

>>55014847
We know where they come from. There's going to be no solution in the order of events of how they arrived in the present.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 05:18:43 No.55014904 Report

Quoted By: >>55014925

>>55014883
lol

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 05:28:13 No.55014925 Report

Quoted By: >>55014929

>>55014904
My bad. We're gonna wish real hard to the crystal tree and Terapagos is gonna pop up and grant our wishes and give us a blowjob. Briar will kill herself knowing Heath was a liar.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 05:29:26 No.55014929 Report

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>>55014925
lol

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 05:29:52 No.55014933 Report

Quoted By: >>55014952 >>55015394

>>55014048
Very high. There's a reason they haven't shown paradox Entei or Terrakion. They don't exist.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 05:32:08 No.55014939 Report

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>>55014805
Based, man

Too bad we are not going to get real names :(

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 05:34:59 No.55014952 Report

Quoted By: >>55015394 >>55018511

>>55014933
Correct, they don't exist yet... But Briar gets Terapagos to will them into existence to test out one of her theories on how its powers works, resulting in an amalgamation of the sketched hybrid and the usual Ancient/Future design philosophy. These will be "true" Legendaries like the Paradox Cyclizar, but similarly to the Time Machine only ever producing two Paradox Cyclizar, the Beast/Musketeer Hybrid be special enough that Terapagos is only capable of creating one due to the tall order of "combine three Legendary Pokemon into one, and then conceive it as if it were from the ancient past/distant future".

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 05:36:22 No.55014957 Report

Quoted By: >>55014972

>>55013952
i don't give a shit except for the fact that paradox mons were a mistake, just like the rest of SV

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 05:39:46 No.55014972 Report

Quoted By: >>55018520

>>55014957
Bait used to be believable

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 06:56:11 No.55015312 Report

Quoted By: >>55015336 >>55015380

>>55013952
AI Sada only makes sense within the frame of imagination/dreams. There's nothing that indicates that any knowledge or materials from the past would be particularly useful in making an impossibly complex AI. Meanwhile, the imagination interpretation just needs for Sada to have wished for another her, and there's a log entry saying precisely that.

If the story was just Violet, I think the strong divide would make a lot more sense, but the time travel angle just doesn't work well with Scarlet.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:02:09 No.55015336 Report

Quoted By: >>55015398

>>55015312
Violet has its own problems- the paradox pokemon make way less sense
Sure, Arven's continual insistence that they don't look like pokemon actually makes sense there compared to Scarlet, but the idea that future evolutions of existing pokemon species are all human-made robots is completely nonsensical, and even clashes with the convergent species concept

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:07:13 No.55015358 Report

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Is terapagos a paradox torterra

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:15:14 No.55015380 Report

Quoted By: >>55015393 >>55015399

>>55015312
>There's nothing that indicates that any knowledge or materials from the past would be particularly useful in making an impossibly complex AI.
It's not a one way time machine, you know. Even if it was there would be nothing stopping someone in the future discovering the time machine and going back to the present day.
Also there's that idea of an ancient civilization and Terapagos storing memories and knowledge over time.

Also the AI doesn't make sense with imagination in general, if the professor willed a duplicate into existence then it wouldn't be a mechanical AI, it would be flesh and blood like the paradox pokemon.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:20:22 No.55015393 Report

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>>55015380
It aint flesh and blood because turo wouldve
>my own clone
Every day
He aint a virgin, but god does he love himself and his paradise

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:20:26 No.55015394 Report

Quoted By: >>55015401 >>55015448 >>55016063

Khu already said that the answer is vague
>>55014048
>>55014933
>>55014952
Khu has said that Paradox Entei looked boring and that Paradox Terrakion looked better than other Future Paradoxes

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:21:39 No.55015398 Report

Quoted By: >>55015406

>>55015336
>human-made robots
They aren't, they're biomechanical. They're still biologically pokemon and not robots.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:21:50 No.55015399 Report

Quoted By: >>55015408

>>55015380
Not him, but tera crystals are established as just making any experimental technology they throw it at magically start working, so this would also apply to the AI the professor was trying to make
Notably, that works better conceptually if they are reacting according to the person's will, instead of just being a crystal that can coincidentally do basically anything but is also specifically temporal in nature despite that not being relevant at all to most of its uses

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:22:59 No.55015401 Report

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>>55015394
>Khu already said that the answer is vague
Yeah, Khu's answer is always vague. The fact of the matter is that they won't touch on the paradox origins because we already know it. They're not going to retread irrelevant plot points

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:25:03 No.55015406 Report

Quoted By: >>55015423

>>55015398
No egg group, gender unknown
Only a few of them are theorized to be partly biological, and those are entirely based on people who don't know where they came from looking at them once and making random shit up about them like That Kid

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:25:42 No.55015408 Report

Quoted By: >>55015420 >>55015421

>>55015399
>tera crystals are established as just making any experimental technology they throw it at magically start working,
Who told you that? They can enhance machines but they don't just make them work.
>but is also specifically temporal in nature despite that not being relevant at all to most of its uses
You're sounding like that one imagination shitposter. The crystals have no inherent or even a relation to temporal abilities, they just power the time machine.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:30:03 No.55015420 Report

Quoted By: >>55015446

>>55015408
>They can enhance machines but they don't just make them work.
The time machine and AI did not previously work
And the entire research infrastructure in Area Zero was said to be built with technology birthed from their experiments with the crystals
>The crystals have no inherent or even a relation to temporal abilities
Teal Mask disagrees, unless you're going to suggest that they're just coincidentally also able to summon ghosts personally known to people that come by

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:30:08 No.55015421 Report

Quoted By: >>55016433

>>55015408
>Who told you that?
Play the game, read the dialogue and gather context clues. This comes straight from the AI Professor's mouth.
>Humanity does not, in fact, possess the knowledge to develop such a sophisticated AI at present. But the crystals that make up the Zero Lab have made such a thing possible here. They are also why I cannot leave this place.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:30:34 No.55015423 Report

Quoted By: >>55015438

>>55015406
>No egg group, gender unknown
Okay? A lot of pokemon that can breed can't breed in game like Mew for instance. We're talking lore here, not game mechanics.
>and those are entirely based on people who don't know where they came from looking at them once and making random shit up about them like That Kid
Anon, you're confusing yourself pretty badly here.
For starters, occulture doesn't matter outside of the descriptions and names that they lifted from the book.
Second, the whole biological nature of the future paradoxes doesn't come from Occulture, it comes from the Turo AI who recounted how the real professor took genetic samples from it.
If it wasn't biomechanical that wouldn't be possible at all.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:33:18 No.55015438 Report

Quoted By: >>55015467

>>55015423
>If it wasn't biomechanical that wouldn't be possible at all.
All pokemon have genetics, even ones that are explicitly objects or metaphysical, that doesn't make them all cyborgs with non-biological parts grafted onto flesh

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:35:24 No.55015446 Report

Quoted By: >>55015455

>>55015420
>The time machine and AI did not previously work
Anon, we've had time machines in the series before. We know they can function without the crystals.
As for the AI we don't know how exactly it even uses the crystals, if they story memories in addition to being a power source then it may be using it more as a brain. In fact that's how this line can be interpreted.
>>Humanity does not, in fact, possess the knowledge to develop such a sophisticated AI at present. But the crystals that make up the Zero Lab have made such a thing possible here. They are also why I cannot leave this place.
It's not saying that humanity can't currently make an AI, it's saying it can't make an AI as good as it.
>Teal Mask disagrees
Not only did we not see any ghostly apparitions in teal mask but that would tie more into the memory recall that we've also been seeing in the anime.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:35:50 No.55015448 Report

Quoted By: >>55015452 >>55015478 >>55015509

>>55015394
I like the idea that Terrakion is the dinosaur and Entei is the robot to explain why Khu thought this

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:38:09 No.55015452 Report

Quoted By: >>55015478

>>55015448
I don't think that's the case but there's definitely something special with Entei and Terrakion
Otherwise we would have seen them already

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:39:15 No.55015455 Report

Quoted By: >>55015488

>>55015446
>we've had time machines in the series before. We know they can function without the crystals.
And this one that has existed for a relatively long time did not
>e don't know how exactly it even uses the crystals, if they story memories in addition to being a power source then it may be using it more as a brain
How convenient
>Not only did we not see any ghostly apparitions in teal mask
Why would they appear to us?
>but that would tie more into the memory recall that we've also been seeing in the anime.
What a little miracle, these crystals that can do anything the plot requires no matter how outlandish
If only there were a simple explanation for that behavior

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:39:58 No.55015457 Report

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>>55013952
It's actually a mix of both

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:43:01 No.55015467 Report

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>>55015438
>that doesn't make them all cyborgs with non-biological parts grafted onto flesh
Correct.
Glad you agree, a pokemon like Klink is still a biomechanical pokemon despite not being a cyborg. The same applies to the paradox pokemon which would have naturally adapted into those forms for whatever reason in the future.

Cyborgs are biomechanical but not all biomechanical organisms are cyborgs.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:44:46 No.55015478 Report

Quoted By: >>55015953

>>55015448
>>55015452
Calling it now, this is where Briar having a design that incorporates both Scarlet and Violet Books despite them being mutually exclusive to their respective timelines comes into play.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:46:11 No.55015488 Report

Quoted By: >>55016033

>>55015455
You're not even making any sense anymore.
Also, you're the one trying to make the claim that the crystals can do anything despite the fact that we haven't seen them just make things work on their own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 07:54:37 No.55015509 Report

Quoted By: >>55015561

>>55015448
Khu just has shit taste. He also responded to someone with "Billy" in regards to Entei's design, which is referring to the blue ranger that had the triceratops zord. Khu said at the start of gen 9 that designs this gen sucked when most of the dex has had a mostly positive response.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 08:07:09 No.55015561 Report

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>>55015509
>Khu said at the start of gen 9 that designs this gen sucked
But he's right?

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 10:24:27 No.55015953 Report

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>>55015478
I like the designs at the end of the game where they mix all 3 beast and all 3 musketeers together but I highly doubt there will be 2 more Paradox pokemon other than Entei and Terrakion

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 10:56:47 No.55016033 Report

Quoted By: >>55016433 >>55016894

>>55015488
bro tera crystals were used to make an AI robot by a lone professor that spent their life studying pokemon and not studying to have a phd in robotics and engineering. crystals that also change a pokemon’s types for some reason. and the tera crystals in ogerpon’s masks that made the loyal 3 giant when you fight them with carmine.
if something is bending reality, then reality just changes. are you so hung up over needing to see bright flashes and sparkles of light to confirm if a wish was granted or not?

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 11:04:23 No.55016063 Report

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>>55015394
>Khu already said

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 11:07:34 No.55016075 Report

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>55015394
>K*u

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 12:47:04 No.55016382 Report

Quoted By: >>55016434

>>55014814
>making up a new definition of samefagging just to pretend others are retarded
>making up other people’s claims for them just to pretend others are retarded
You got anything else left you wanna get out, buddy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 12:51:40 No.55016395 Report

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I haven’t seen people this invested in the lore since the Ultra Beast theory (which turned out to be a nothing burger…)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 12:56:24 No.55016406 Report

Quoted By: >>55016417

>>55014500
it hase leakede in youre anuse

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 12:59:27 No.55016417 Report

Quoted By:

>>55016406
Why'd I laugh

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 13:02:32 No.55016433 Report

Quoted By:

>>55015421
I’ve read it as they’re just a source of immense energy that outputs energy moreso when in area zero.
>>55016033
>character has goal
>character wants to achieve goal
>character knows goal is hard
>character achieves goal
Anon, this is every plot ever. You don’t see anyone screeching WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THAT or ISN’T THAT CONVENIENT and try to shoehorn imagination in all plots to explain anything where it’s unnecessary

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 13:02:54 No.55016434 Report

Quoted By: >>55016446

>>55016382
>making up a new definition of samefagging just to pretend others are retarded
Why would posting in the same thread be fag worthy? If you ask anyone what samefagging is, the definition you just got is what they'll tell you.
You're retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 13:06:10 No.55016443 Report

Quoted By:

>>55013967
>Timetroons always throwing a tantrum when you don’t believe in their bs while imaginationchads don’t give a fuck besides just saying it could be way more interesting to have not just boring time travel shit for once
Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 13:06:11 No.55016444 Report

Quoted By: >>55018878

>>55013952
They're not gonna tell us. Otherwise they won't be Paradoxes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 13:06:27 No.55016446 Report

Quoted By: >>55016449

>>55016434
Samefagging is other ding you’re a different person when you are obviously not.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 13:07:28 No.55016449 Report

Quoted By:

>>55016446
>other ding
pretending *, apologies

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 13:46:30 No.55016580 Report

Quoted By: >>55016591 >>55016681

>>55013952
>Scenarios for Time Travel to win definitively:
>>Creation powers never being mentioned
>>A character time-traveling
>>Seeing Past/Future
>>Time-related explanation for paradox's with Heath
None of this has anything to do with the time travel origin for the Paradoxes though. The scenario is
>Paradoxes are proven to come from the Past/Future
and literally anything else is imagination.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 13:49:29 No.55016591 Report

Quoted By:

>>55016580
Timetravelfags be like:
>I transferred my Relicanth from Ruby and Sapphire
>The summary says it traveled through time
>It's an ancient Pokemon
>TIME TRAVEL WINS!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 14:08:22 No.55016647 Report

Quoted By: >>55016968

>>55014883
>We know where they come from
We don't though, is the problem.
We're gonna get the missing issues of Occulture that say the new ones are just based on the imaginary sketch and timefags will still cope up and down that it's either ambiguous or that it's already solved so no reason to think critically about it lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 14:18:23 No.55016681 Report

Quoted By:

>>55016580
Well no, let’s say the professor wished for a real Time Machine, but we could travel to the last and future, that would still prove that paradoxes are from the past and future. In other words, anything that proves the Time Machine is a real Time Machine would prove the paradoxes are from other times because they came out of it. You saying “literally anything else is imagination” is just you covering your ass in advance before the indigo disk releases.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 14:19:50 No.55016690 Report

Quoted By:

>>55014805
>>55014837
>>55014873
Let me try.

>Great Tusk
Dontusk or Phantusk
Scream Tail
>Screamillytuff or Scrigglytail
Brute Bonnet
>Abonnungus or Bonnabungus
Flutter Mane
>Fluttrievus or Manetrives
Slither Wing
>Slivesta or Larvewing
Sandy Shocks
>Sandneshock or Magneshock
Roaring Moon
>Moonamence or Salemoonce
Walking Wake
>Wakecune or Suiwaking
Raging Bolt
>Boltkou or Raibolt
Entei
>Imaginentei or Enteime
Iron Trends
>Dontrends or Phaniron
Iron Bundle
>Delivundle or Deliviron
Iron Hands
>Handiyama or Harihand or Hariron
Iron Jugulis
>Hydrigulis or Hydreiron or Juguldreigon or Juguliron
Iron Moth
>Mothcairon or Volcairon or Motharona or Volmothca
Iron Thorns
>Thornranitar or Ironitar or Ironithorn or Thornitar or Thorniron or Tyranithorn or Tyraniron or Tyrantiron or
Tyiront
Iron Valiant: the last is the best
>Garvaliant or Galvaliant or Ironnivoir or Irornvoir or Ironor or Ironllade or Gariron or Galliron or Gargalliron or Gargalldiron or Gallgarion or Galladiron or Gardevoiron or Galladevoiron or Gardeladdiron
Iron Leaves
>Vironzion or Virziron or Veriziron or Ironizion or Ironvir or Viriron or Viron
Iron Crown
>Crownballion or Colbalicrown or Crowniron or Cobaliron or Ironballion or Icrownion
Terrakion
>Terrironkion or Terriron or Ironerrakion

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:00:20 No.55016894 Report

Quoted By: >>55016949

>>55016033
>tera crystals were used to make an AI robot
>crystals that also change a pokemon’s types for some reason.
These are the only factual statements in your post.

>are you so hung up over needing to see bright flashes and sparkles of light to confirm if a wish was granted or not
Anon, there's literally zero signs of wish granting in the story. If you had sparkles and lights then you'd actually have some evidence.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:10:40 No.55016949 Report

Quoted By: >>55016957 >>55017009

>>55016894
>Anon, there's literally zero signs of wish granting in the story
Arven's dream comes true by curing Mabostiff with the Herba Mystica of legend
Nemona has her dream of having an ultimate rival come true.
Penny and Team Star's dream was to be able to go back to normalcy with the team while not being bullied or ostracized from the school. It comes true.
The Professor's dream of creating Pokemon they believed to be from the book comes true.
The Terastallized Pokemon have their dreams of embodying other types comes true.
Briar's dream of proving Heath's record entirely true is going to show what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
>tera crystals were used to make an AI robot
>crystals that also change a pokemon’s types for some reason.
The logical conclusion is that tera crystals are somewhat influenced by dreams and desire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:12:16 No.55016957 Report

Quoted By: >>55016963 >>55016973

>>55016949
>character has goal
>character wants to achieve goal
>character knows goal is hard
>character achieves goal
Anon, this is every plot ever. You don’t see anyone screeching WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THAT or ISN’T THAT CONVENIENT and try to shoehorn imagination in all plots to explain anything where it’s unnecessary
>the logical conclusion is something completely out of Narnia
I don't think so anon. Your theory-making needs work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:12:52 No.55016963 Report

Quoted By: >>55016967

>>55016957
>You don’t see anyone screeching WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THAT or ISN’T THAT CONVENIENT
No because other plots don't beat you over the head with unbelievable legends that turn out to be true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:13:33 No.55016967 Report

Quoted By:

>>55016963
>unbelievable legends that turn out to be true
How is SV ANY different from other plots in this specific regard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:13:36 No.55016968 Report

Quoted By: >>55016972

>>55016647
>We're gonna get the missing issues of Occulture that say the new ones are just based on the imaginary sketch
Anon, if there are occulture entries you know they're going to be based on descriptions from the book, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:14:32 No.55016972 Report

Quoted By: >>55016978 >>55017198

>>55016968
>Anon, if there are occulture entries you know they're going to be based on descriptions from the book
Yes. The Occulture entries are going to be based on the book. The imaginary sketch, of course.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:14:39 No.55016973 Report

Quoted By:

>>55016957
>Your theory-making needs work.
Duh, the guy literally needed a deus ex machina to make sense of a pretty straightforward story.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:16:00 No.55016978 Report

Quoted By: >>55016985 >>55017040

>>55016972
The *imagined* sketch that was never even imagined into existence, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:16:53 No.55016985 Report

Quoted By: >>55016998 >>55017040

>>55016978
>The *imagined* sketch that was never even imagined into existence
Except it literally was. Iron Leaves/Iron Crown and Walking Wake/Raging Bolt exist, and they are based on the issues of Occulture that depict them as ancient/future Pokemon taken from the sketch with present day knowledge.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:16:59 No.55016986 Report

Quoted By: >>55018559

Does anyone else think that the blueberry academy owner guy with the scarf and white hat, the black guy from the dlc, was the director before Clavell that allowed the bullying? Also bullying sub plot in the indigo disk for team star shilling?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:18:56 No.55016998 Report

Quoted By: >>55017040

>>55016985
>Except it literally was
Yeah, you're right. it's totally feasible that someone imagined three separate Pokemon from one and saw nothing wrong, as opposed to a sketch being inspired by brief glimpses of three separate mons and us now seeing what the mons were.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:21:27 No.55017009 Report

Quoted By: >>55017039

>>55016949
>Arven's dream comes true by curing Mabostiff with the Herba Mystica of legend
Through his and your hard work in finding the herba mystica, not a wish.
>Nemona has her dream of having an ultimate rival come true.
Through your hard work, not a wish. Also it's hilarious that you're trying to say that the protag is imaginary.
>Penny and Team Star's dream was to be able to go back to normalcy with the team while not being bullied or ostracized from the school. It comes true.
Through your hard work, not a wish.
>The Professor's dream of creating Pokemon they believed to be from the book comes true.
They didn't even dream of creating them, they specifically wanted to FIND them. If they didn't exist then they wouldn't have found them anyway.
>The Terastallized Pokemon have their dreams of embodying other types comes true.
No, no they don't. Most pokemon don't even have tera types that aren't their regular type and you can feed them crystals to change it. It's exposure to tera energy, not wishes.
>Briar's dream of proving Heath's record entirely true is going to show what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
What on earth are you even talking about?

>The logical conclusion is that tera crystals are somewhat influenced by dreams and desire.
How is that a logical conclusion when there's no evidence of wish powers?
You're basically claiming that any goal that's achieved is a granted wish, that's fucking stupid.
Thats like saying I had my wish granted because I walked to the store and did some grocery shopping.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:26:00 No.55017039 Report

Quoted By: >>55017044 >>55017053

>>55017009
>Through hard work ad infinitum
Almost like that's the point of making dreams come true or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:26:12 No.55017040 Report

Quoted By: >>55017043

>>55016978
>>55016985
>>55016998
The fun part about imagination is that you can't decide on how it works.
Sometimes it works like a printer taking something from someone's mind
Sometimes it's this corruption wish which doesn't make sense when only the sword) imaginary pokemon is subject to this corruption and literally nothing else.
And then you have literal fairy god parent something from nothing wishing nbut only when someone mentions how genetics won't fit in with the other two.

This whole imagination theory is so slapdash and batshit insane that I'm genuinely surprised you believe it.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:27:06 No.55017043 Report

Quoted By: >>55017060

>>55017040
>This whole imagination theory is so slapdash and batshit insane that I'm genuinely surprised you believe it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:27:14 No.55017044 Report

Quoted By: >>55017054

>>55017039
>character has goal
>character wants to achieve goal
>character knows goal is hard
>character achieves goal
Anon, this is every plot ever. You don’t see anyone screeching WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF THAT or ISN’T THAT CONVENIENT and try to shoehorn imagination in all plots to explain anything where it’s unnecessary. You have yet to provide EVIDENCE of dream manifestation outside of this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:28:05 No.55017053 Report

Quoted By: >>55017061

>>55017039
You're talking about wish granting dipshit.
The instant gratification of a wish is the exact antithesis to hard work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:28:17 No.55017054 Report

Quoted By: >>55017059 >>55017067

>>55017044
>Anon, this is every plot ever.
Except most plots don't sidestep reality just because of their goals, they're still bound by what's real in canon. Why is it only in SV that they specifically call attention to this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:28:57 No.55017059 Report

Quoted By:

>>55017054
>sidestep reality
How is SV ANY different from other plots in this specific regard?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:29:06 No.55017060 Report

Quoted By: >>55017071

>>55017043
Explains your tantrums.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:29:18 No.55017061 Report

Quoted By: >>55017071

>>55017053
>The instant gratification of a wish is the exact antithesis to hard work.
Nope. You have to work to make your dreams come true. Dilate :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:29:54 No.55017064 Report

Quoted By: >>55018897

>>55013952
Khu indicated the game just never tells us and they're the only person who knows what they're talking about so I doubt it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:30:09 No.55017067 Report

Quoted By:

>>55017054
What on earth are you talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:31:06 No.55017071 Report

Quoted By: >>55017083 >>55017098

>>55017060
>accuses timetravelfag of thinking there's only one imaginationfag
>proceeds to actually imply there's only one timetravelfag
>>55017061
So there's no manifestation of dreams outside of a completely normal method of:
>character has goal
>character wants to achieve goal
>character knows goal is hard
>character achieves goal
got it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:32:11 No.55017083 Report

Quoted By: >>55017093

>>55017071
>So there's no manifestation of dreams
Except the part where the Professor manifested their dreams using technology that doesn't exist without Terapagos' power.
Sort of like how Terastallization works.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:33:24 No.55017093 Report

Quoted By:

>>55017083
So the crystals power shit when in Area Zero. I still don't get where the fuck you pulled imagination out of.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:33:43 No.55017098 Report

Quoted By: >>55017108

>>55017071
You were replying to another timefag LMAO. Are you guys just trolling yourselves at this point? I wonder if someone makes another discussion thread you'll keep at it in here while the big boys talk.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:35:25 No.55017106 Report

Quoted By:

timesisters...

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:35:33 No.55017108 Report

Quoted By: >>55017113 >>55017117

>>55017098
Are you illiterate? The anon asking for tantrum explanations is an imaginationfag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:36:27 No.55017113 Report

Quoted By: >>55017116

>>55017108
11/10 you almost made me do a serious reply. I guess this definitively proves that timefags can't keep up with a chain of text.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:37:55 No.55017116 Report

Quoted By:

>>55017113
>I'm being intentionally retarded to pretend that others are instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:38:02 No.55017117 Report

Quoted By:

>>55017108
>Are you illiterate?
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:39:47 No.55017127 Report

Quoted By: >>55017180

>>55014099
>can’t breed
>one per save file
>not legendary
Hmm

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:45:35 No.55017168 Report

Quoted By:

>>55013952
You won't get a definitive answer because the whole point is its a fucking PARADOX with evidence for both in canon, but you'll still be here fighting over it for fucking years because /vp/ is too retarded for this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:47:34 No.55017180 Report

Quoted By: >>55017222

>>55017127
If those were the qualifiers then Koraidon/Miraidon wouldn't be legends, since you can get two.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:51:00 No.55017193 Report

Quoted By:

>>55013952
>We are within 100 hours of knowing [schizo headcanon]

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:52:34 No.55017198 Report

Quoted By: >>55017231

>>55016972
or, what's more likely to happen:
>this creature is called walking wake after a similarly described being in the scarlet book.
>this creature is called raging bolt after a similarly described being in the scarlet book.
>this creature is called (paradox entei) after a similarly described being in the scarlet book.
>this creature is called iron leaves after a similarly described being in the violet book.
>this creature is called iron crown after a similarly described being in the violet book.
>this creature is called (paradox terrakion) after a similarly described being in the violet book.
wow, so difficult

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:57:40 No.55017222 Report

Quoted By: >>55017276

>>55017180
You don’t get two. You get one after the credits roll and the other one is locked in your + button because if you try to fight with it you’re forced to walk everywhere. Nobody is going to do that

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:59:08 No.55017227 Report

Quoted By:

Timexirs...I'm gettiing upset.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 15:59:45 No.55017231 Report

Quoted By: >>55017694

>>55017198
Cool but, there won't be any record of those pokes in the book.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 16:05:36 No.55017274 Report

Quoted By:

>Blueberry academy has a mysterious globe that allows terastallizing.
>the paldean league installed a giant pokeball conincidentally at the same time as terastallizing started being used across the region.
It's clear terastallizing is powered (or atleast amplified) by strong desires/emotions and that purpose of these orbs is to gather the dreams and ambitions of students.
That would explain why they keep doing the treasure hunt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 16:06:00 No.55017276 Report

Quoted By:

>>55017222
>d-doesn't count...
Cope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 17:10:02 No.55017610 Report

Quoted By:

>>55013952
>or if they were manifested via dreams/imagination!
I wonder if anyone else has made the realization that it could genuinely be about dreams to tie itself into the BW remakes via dream world stuff. oh haha iron valiant was just a dream pokemon so you can find it in dreamworld 2! something like that

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 17:21:18 No.55017694 Report

Quoted By: >>55017698

>>55017231
>there won't be any record of those pokes in the book.
Just like the others.
Oh wait, we know there's a record because occulture mentions them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 17:22:02 No.55017698 Report

Quoted By: >>55017717

>>55017694
>Just like the others.
No because Heath's book does describe Pokemon/objects that would later get reimagined in Occulture as ancient/future Pokemon.
>Oh wait, we know there's a record because occulture mentions them.
From the book.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 17:26:59 No.55017717 Report

Quoted By: >>55017732

>>55017698
>No because Heath's book does describe Pokemon/objects that would later get reimagined in Occulture as ancient/future Pokemon.
Yes, and the same will happen with the paradox legends if am occulture comes to be.
>From the book.
Yes, pages we can't see that we learn about through occulture.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 17:29:22 No.55017732 Report

Quoted By: >>55018016

>>55017717
>Yes, and the same will happen with the paradox legends if am occulture comes to be.
Based on the sketch, yes.
>Yes, pages we can't see that we learn about through occulture.
Occulture is sensationalized. Timefags need to stop believing everything they read on facebook.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 18:07:47 No.55018016 Report

Quoted By: >>55018195

>>55017732
>Occulture is sensationalized
Yeah, and that's why no on who believes in it accepts it as fact and relies entirely on the book.
The same book occulture stole the names an descriptions from.

Maybe when you learn how to extract information properly you can participate with the other adults who don't listen to their imagination peddling YouTube overlords.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 18:37:41 No.55018195 Report

Quoted By: >>55018436

>>55018016
>Yeah, and that's why no on who believes in it accepts it as fact and relies entirely on the book.
Exactly. Everyone except for the professor and timefags.
My bad, I thought you were trying to come up with some delusional argument for how these fuckers are from different times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 18:39:09 No.55018204 Report

Quoted By:

it's a time machine
gamefreak just fucked up. We all know it
I'm sorry

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 18:39:27 No.55018205 Report

Quoted By:

>>55013952
They're products of Rhyperior, like everything else in the universe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 18:54:33 No.55018277 Report

Quoted By:

If it looks like a time machine, swims like a time machine, and quacks like a time machine, it's probably a wish granting turtle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 19:26:28 No.55018436 Report

Quoted By: >>55018449 >>55018853

>>55018195
>Everyone except for the professor and timefags.
Yeah, the people who don't believe occulture, so much so that the professor actually went against occulture and discovered that they were from the past and future rather than being living fossils and regular machines like it said.

I think the only people who devoutly believe occulture are imaginationfags. Which makes sense, made up magazine, made up theory.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 19:30:00 No.55018449 Report

Quoted By: >>55018538 >>55018665

>>55018436
>Yeah, the people who don't believe occulture
Now you're just not making any sense. Do you or do you not believe the Paradox Pokemon come from the past or future?
The only place that's said is in Occulture.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 19:30:33 No.55018453 Report

Quoted By:

>>55014805
Ehy would they bother giving name to fotm shitmon that are getting permacut next game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 19:41:52 No.55018511 Report

Quoted By: >>55018536

>>55014952
I hope we get this, I love the hybrid designs so much. We know Briar has a copy of the book on her (probably Heath’s original) from the key art; so the idea of her showing the hybrid to Terapagos and saying “bring this into being” is honestly reasonable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 19:44:04 No.55018520 Report

Quoted By:

>>55014972
in what universe is calling SV a bad game bait?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 19:44:40 No.55018524 Report

Quoted By:

>>55013957
POLL! https://strawpoll.com/LVyK8BvD6n0

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 19:46:12 No.55018536 Report

Quoted By: >>55018599

>>55018511
>so the idea of her showing the hybrid to Terapagos and saying “bring this into being” is honestly reasonable.
It's fucking not, imaginationschizo. Holy fucking shit. Do you realize how delusional you sound when you come up with these wild scenarios?

You're going to get blown the fuck out once again when they show that Briar is merely going to send the remaining stragglers back to complete the paradox. At least the game somewhat hints at this scenario with Penny being a tech wiz and Briar having an interest in going to the crater to see the TIME MACHINE.

Does it hurt to be as brainless as you are? Legitimately, I am curious. Do you have the same screeching pain trying to think about any nuance in the plot that you instill in others with your idiotic headcanon drivel?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 19:46:23 No.55018538 Report

Quoted By: >>55018547

>>55018449
Anon, I'm not sure if you're just here to shitpost, or are actually interested in learning what a temporal paradox is, but maybe this video will help you a bit since it's another Nintendo franchise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnAenvGfxBg
In the case of SV, our murals are the Paradox Books. The Occulture is based on the Paradox Books, which give the professor the idea to search for them with a time machine. After however many years, they were finally able to do it. Arven explicitly points out the discrepancy that the pokemon are not in Area Zero until the machine is created, then how did Heath write about them? Without Heath writing about them, there is no Occulture. If there is no Occulture, there is no Time Machine. If there is no Time Machine, Heath never writes the Paradox Book.

Again, if you're actually not interested in discussion or common ground that's perfectly okay. I would rather you just say that instead of wasting time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 19:47:52 No.55018547 Report

Quoted By: >>55018558

>>55018538
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnAenvGfxBg
It's pretty interesting because the imagination plot does have a lot in common with Tears of the Kingdom, yeah. So why do you keep trying to shoehorn it to fit your time travel headcanon?
Keep in mind the murals in TOTK accurately depict the events that happened when Zelda went back in that game. This is as opposed to there being concrete differences between the things described in Heath's record and those the professor manifested from the machine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 19:50:15 No.55018558 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018547
If you're going to instantly respond and ignore the context of my post to continue posting whatever you want to, I'm not going to engage with you. The overarching theme of LoZ is time travel. TotK is a bootstrap paradox. You can either watch and maybe learn something new from that video about how paradoxes work, or you can keep digging in your heels until Wednesday. I don't care.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 19:50:21 No.55018559 Report

Quoted By: >>55018641

>>55016986
Wasn’t it already confirmed that the NPC who gives Ortega private lessons was the previous director? He shows up in that part of the story and never again, and doesn’t have a unique design, but I swear I remember him telling the player and Clive that.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 19:50:24 No.55018560 Report

Quoted By: >>55018570 >>55018796 >>55018813 >>55018815

>the timecucks and imaginationschizos are getting autistic again
Feel good being an Atlantischad/bioweaponbro

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 19:51:45 No.55018570 Report

Quoted By: >>55018650

>>55018560
Yeah, nice try imaginationschizo. You're not fooling anyone with your bullshittery here.

It's time travel and only time travel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 19:58:35 No.55018599 Report

Quoted By: >>55018620 >>55018682

>>55018536
Briar has no interest in the time machine, she may not even know it’s down there. All we know is that she wants to go into Area Zero, and that it’s her dream (hehe) to find Terapagos and prove Heath right. She says nothing about a time machine, or the Paradox mons, for that matter.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:01:49 No.55018620 Report

Quoted By: >>55018664

>>55018599
Why would she know about anything in Area Zero when Kitakami is an early game DLC?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:05:02 No.55018641 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018559
Ok found it, his name is Harrington and you actually battle him before taking on the base. So Cyrano isn’t the previous director of Naranja/Uva.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:06:00 No.55018650 Report

Quoted By: >>55018678 >>55018682

>>55018570
>you don’t agree with my fanfic so you’re wrong
ok autist
>n-but muh time/imagination
don’t care m8

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:08:00 No.55018664 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018620
That’s exactly my point. She wants to go down there to verify the things Heath says he saw (mentioning Terapagos specifically); but has no idea if it’s true or not because the League/Academy won’t let her investigate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:08:04 No.55018665 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018449
>The only place that's said is in Occulture.
That's the fun part. It isn't.
Most of them say that they can be found in modern day Paldea or in the case of violet a few are just plain old machines.
You only think that Occulture says that because of
1) you're lack of reading comprehension
2) the fact that you're hyper focusing on the billion years part of Scream Tail and Iron Thorns and not this part of their respective entries
>Somewhere in a Paldean forest, it's said, lurks Scream Tail
>A strange being called Iron Thorns has been sighted in a certain cave in Paldea.

I would suggest you play the game but you've been saying that occulture suggested they're from different times for over a year now and I don't see that changing no matter how hard we beat you over the head with facts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:09:43 No.55018678 Report

Quoted By: >>55018735

>>55018650
No he's right, we're allied with time travel because it's a way to go back to the ancient civilization.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:10:20 No.55018682 Report

Quoted By: >>55018708 >>55018721 >>55018742 >>55018756 >>55018758 >>55018783 >>55018810 >>55019949

>>55018599
>All we know is that she wants to go into Area Zero
You're retarded anon. WHY do you think she wants to go there? It's obviously for the time machine. She likely has an innate desire to complete the loop due to Heath's bloodline being in her genetics.

It actually wouldn't surprise me at all if it was a more significant part of her character. There may even be a chance that Briar BECOMES Heath in order to write the record, further cementing the time travel and paradox presented by Tears of the Kingdom as a parallel to the game.

>>55018650
>>you don’t agree with my fanfic so you’re wrong
Except it's not fanfic. All of this is easily presented by the game's current narrative which is something you can't do with your theory, imaginationschizo. I understand that's hard for kids like you to understand but you can shut up and let the adults talk for a bit.
All of this is of course keeping in mind the fact that the narrative element of the paradox Pokemon themselves has already concluded as we know for a fact they come from the ancient past or distant future respectively. There is zero reason to conclude anything else in the base game unless you have some sort of deranged obsession with other unrelated minor elements or are just ESL.

We don't need to go to the lengths you do to justify our theory, unlike your headcanon. It really is funny seeing you melt down every time someone even remotely questions your wild fanfiction and it's clear you need mental help. No sane person would go to the lengths you do to prove your ramblings if they already know it's correct.

I've already said I would drink cat piss if I'm wrong because imagination theory is just that out of the realm of possibility. Can you say you'd do the same, schizo?

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:13:14 No.55018708 Report

Quoted By: >>55018724 >>55018732

>>55018682
>I've already said I would drink cat piss if I'm wrong
this is not the flex you think it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:14:43 No.55018721 Report

Quoted By: >>55018732

>>55018682
No seriously, what is your obsession with drinking cat piss?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:15:11 No.55018724 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018708
Don't fall for the schizo larping.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:16:06 No.55018732 Report

Quoted By: >>55018810

>>55018708
>>55018721
You know, if you're going to falseflag and reply to yourself, don't make it obvious.
Because you've been planting and referring to the cat piss thing all day.

And don't think editing or phone posting will change anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:16:27 No.55018735 Report

Quoted By: >>55018754 >>55018769

>>55018678
>we're allied with time travel because it's a way to go back to the ancient civilization.
That's really funny considering if the Pokemon all come from an ancient civilization, that's still imagination by virtue of NOT being from the times we originally thought.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:17:28 No.55018742 Report

Quoted By: >>55018769

>>55018682

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:18:53 No.55018754 Report

Quoted By: >>55018773

>>55018735
Yes anon, it's imagination if they were brought to the present via time travel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:18:58 No.55018756 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018682
>WHY do you think she wants to go there?
Her exact line about the matter is
>It’s my dream to find Terapagos and prove that Heath’s records were all true.
She never says anything about the paradoxes aside from lumping them in with “Heath’s records” and there is no mention whatsoever of the time machine.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:19:18 No.55018758 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018682
>There may even be a chance that Briar BECOMES Heath in order to

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:19:54 No.55018769 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018742
I think you meant to reply to this guy >>55018735

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:19:59 No.55018771 Report

Quoted By:

>"Guys it's clearly time travel."

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:20:19 No.55018773 Report

Quoted By: >>55018787

>>55018754
>Yes anon, it's imagination if
If they were originate from an ancient civilization, yes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:21:33 No.55018783 Report

Quoted By: >>55019960

>>55018682
>timefags are piss drinkers
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:21:42 No.55018787 Report

Quoted By: >>55018810

>>55018773
There you go outing yourself again, ESLtard. It's going to be so fucking funny seeing you drink the cat piss on thursday. Or would it be wednesday for you in your time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:22:49 No.55018792 Report

Quoted By: >>55018810

It's sad that this is how you're going to spend the rest of your day, imaginationfag.
All alone talking to yourself, thinking about cat piss for some reason

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:22:55 No.55018795 Report

Quoted By:

>he just keeps going back to it

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:23:13 No.55018796 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018560
Atlantis GODS are winning. Lucius pretty much confirmed it with the existence of Rakua.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:24:49 No.55018804 Report

Quoted By: >>55018817 >>55019968

Notice how occulture schizo stopped posting and suddenly cat piss poster shows up? It's almost like it's the same person.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:25:14 No.55018810 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018682
>>55018732
>>55018787
>>55018792
>I'm so confident in my stance I'd drink cat piss if I were wrong
>You're going to look so funny drinking cat piss
>People are making fun of me, quick better backtrack and say it was planted!
>I'm making yet another post about cat piss in doing so.
>The imaginationschizo is all alone posting about cat piss
So which is it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:25:20 No.55018811 Report

Quoted By:

>>55014523
Earlier, IIRC. Some anon said 10AM jst usual drop time for DLC there, which is 1AM GMT and 8pm EST, 13th if my mental conversion's not shot to shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:25:22 No.55018813 Report

Quoted By: >>55018825 >>55018895

>>55018560
>bioweapon
This is a new one, someone fill me in

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:25:40 No.55018815 Report

Quoted By: >>55018870

>>55018560
Atlantis is an IMAGINARY location lost with TIME

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:25:44 No.55018816 Report

Quoted By:

Timesisters..our response?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:25:45 No.55018817 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018804
Yeah, we already figured out imaginationfag was samefagging.
That's what he does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:26:15 No.55018825 Report

Quoted By: >>55018834 >>55018846

>>55018813
>This is a new one, someone fill me in
The Violet paradoxes are said to be bioweapons in Occulture, and the plates referencing an ancient civilization may or may not give credence to them being a product of their society.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:27:18 No.55018834 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018825
>unironically thinking occulture is real

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:28:42 No.55018843 Report

Quoted By:

>imaginationCHAD that points out parts of the game ad infinitum to debunk time travel stops posting
>catpisstraveler can do nothing but samefag all day to make himself not seem crazy
>atlantisGODS and imaginationCHADS are probably preparing their living dexes to prep for the dlc drop rn
feels good not being a terminally ill autist

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:29:00 No.55018846 Report

Quoted By: >>55018863

>>55018825
Oh so it just lets the Atlantis theory of “ancient advanced civilization” work with both Scarlet and Violet, okay. Makes sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:30:24 No.55018853 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018436
>so much so that the professor actually went against occulture and discovered that they were from the past and future
Huh? How did they 'discover' that exactly? The professor just settled on the idea that they were from the past and future based on absolutely nothing.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:31:16 No.55018863 Report

Quoted By: >>55025081

>>55018846
>Oh so it just lets the Atlantis theory of “ancient advanced civilization” work with both Scarlet and Violet
More or less. One idea I liked was that this society could have been acutely aware of the potential Terapagos and tera crystals had, but their usage eventually led to its ruin.
Would put things in perspective if things end up going down the same path with the professor harnessing the power and Briar trying to stabilize the phenomenon in other parts of the globe. The paradoxmon are just cryptids that are created as a result of their influence and some degree of thought manifestation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:32:01 No.55018870 Report

Quoted By: >>55018876

>>55018815
There will definitely be some kind of place that has a slower flow of time. Both Lucius confidence of meeting his Pokémon again after finding Rakua in the Horizons anime and all the blatant Dragon Palace inspiration in TID clearly point towards it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:33:06 No.55018876 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018870
>There will definitely be some kind of place that has a slower flow of time
Been saying this from the beginning. The time machine definitely has some sort of control, especially if it was what led to the professor/AI getting the opportunity to speak with Heath.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:33:19 No.55018878 Report

Quoted By: >>55018888 >>55018890

>>55016444
They HAVE told us. Some people can't grasp the concept behind the answer however and think there MUST be something more to it, leading to the meltdown in every theory thread from faggots who can't accept their theory being disregarded by rational people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:34:39 No.55018888 Report

Quoted By: >>55019100

>>55018878
But they haven't. You know that because you keep saying that Briar will reactivate the time machine in Indigo Disk and prove your theory. If your proof hasn't happened yet then how can you also say that they've already told us? Reminder that if the time machine is not reactivated then there is no explanation for how Heath saw any paradoxes and you will have to bend the knee.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:34:55 No.55018890 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018878
>leading to the meltdown in every theory thread from faggots who can't accept their theory being disregarded by rational people.
Yes! A toast of cat piss for the rational ones ITT

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:35:16 No.55018895 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018813
The paradox mons were all created gamera/indoraptor style to be living weapons of mass destruction by an ancient civilization, but they’ve betrayed their creators and destroy them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:35:48 No.55018896 Report

Quoted By: >>55018914 >>55019920 >>55025311

>>55013952
If it is imagination, where did the AI professor go at the end of the game?
t. Imagination believer who played the game when it came out and hasn’t been in threads like this

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:35:53 No.55018897 Report

Quoted By:

>>55017064
So the answer is time travel, due to it being hinted at as being the reason at the end of base game. Only took 13 months, but we're finally at endgame.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:37:49 No.55018914 Report

Quoted By: >>55018960 >>55019079

>>55018896
>If it is imagination, where did the AI professor go at the end of the game?
Into the time machine, which is still a space removed from time where thoughts can be projected in order for them to speak with Heath.
The origins of the Paradox mons themselves are not from the past/future, but from the professor themselves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:44:26 No.55018960 Report

Quoted By: >>55019036

>>55018914
>Into the Time Machine
so you’re admitting that it is time trave?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:56:44 No.55019036 Report

Quoted By: >>55019057

>>55018960
Don't be a pedant.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 20:59:56 No.55019057 Report

Quoted By: >>55019065

>>55019036
>I-Its not a Time Machine even tough it called and function as a Time Machine
ok buddy

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:01:30 No.55019065 Report

Quoted By: >>55019098

>>55019057
It's called a time machine but it doesn't function as a time machine. Much like you call yourself a woman but you are in fact a man. Hope this helped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:04:29 No.55019079 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018914
>Heath’s soul is trapped inside the time machine
Nigga what

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:08:20 No.55019098 Report

Quoted By:

>>55019065
>It's called a time machine
so it’s a time machine. Problem solved

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:08:34 No.55019100 Report

Quoted By: >>55019107

>>55018888
I haven't said anything of the sort regarding Briar reactivating the machine, my last comment on this shit is "How does Briar figure into how Heath saw the beasts, to then write about them, for the world to disregard him, for occulture to then lean into this opinion by further sensationalising them to inspire the professor to then find them via time machine?".
The events don't stack up and occulture came after the Book, meaning it can't be used as anything but evidence for how dragged Heath's name was in how the events of the pre-game Paldea played out. But I didn't misunderstand the story in the first place, so I'm not desperately trying to convince the internet I'm correct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:08:36 No.55019101 Report

Quoted By: >>55019105 >>55019116 >>55019119

So why did the AI wish for the MC to stop the machine instead of wishing it didn't work

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:09:20 No.55019105 Report

Quoted By:

>>55019101
Play the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:09:29 No.55019107 Report

Quoted By: >>55019202

>>55019100
>I haven't said anything of the sort regarding Briar reactivating the machine
>my last comment on this shit is "How does Briar figure into how Heath saw the beasts
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:10:32 No.55019116 Report

Quoted By: >>55019126 >>55019164

>>55019101
As far as both the AI and the Professor were aware, they had made a time machine that functioned a specific way. Also the AI was made of tera crystals itself, so it's not even a person or a pokemon that can wish. The AI can only reflect the memories of the Professor before they went mad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:11:17 No.55019119 Report

Quoted By: >>55019183

>>55019101
robots aren’t real people and do can’t wish

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:11:41 No.55019126 Report

Quoted By: >>55019132 >>55019136

>>55019116
>Also the AI was made of tera crystals itself
It wasn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:12:15 No.55019132 Report

Quoted By:

>>55019126
Except you can see that it is when it starts going haywire.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:13:16 No.55019136 Report

Quoted By:

>>55019126
>tera crystals are shown to be able to absorb and reflect memories
>the AI tells you it just reflects the professor's memories
lol?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:16:49 No.55019164 Report

Quoted By:

>>55019116
It knew everything the professor did including being wished to life why didn't it just wish for the machine to stop.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:19:02 No.55019183 Report

Quoted By:

>>55019119
>robots aren’t real people and do can’t wish
This is true but the ending was weird almost like he's becoming human and thinking with his own mind
of course it was programmed to never interrupt the functioning of the time machine but (I imagine thanks to the grant wishing crystals) the AI started to think and become a real person he no longer even thinks like the original professor

a machine shouldn't have wishes but he wished to see the world outside

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:21:15 No.55019202 Report

Quoted By: >>55019216

>>55019107
Yes anon because I'm using canon events to inform my theorycrafting. Heath saw the paradoxes (per the MC seeing the pradoxes as Heath described), Briar wants to prove Heath saw the paradoxes. The problem is they seemingly only existed when the dead professor started pulling them out the time machine. Briar's getting permission to go to AZ like she's mentioned applying for in run up to starting TM. She could go in and make a wish off Terapagos to see heath or show him that shiteither, but you just assumed i meant "she's going to revisit the exact same base game location we did, turn on the machine, set it to heath's time and switch it back on" when we already know she's coming down to figure out what the fuck terapagos' deal is and along the way to that, heath will likely fin out what the fuck these are. And if it's a time dilation, it's still time travel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:23:26 No.55019216 Report

Quoted By: >>55019330

>>55019202
>Heath saw the paradoxes
He didn't, the photograph doesn't match up with an actual Great Tusk. It's a fake.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:35:45 No.55019330 Report

Quoted By: >>55019352

>>55019216
Anon, the game outright tells you he is, through the paradox beasts, the effects of the herba mystica and Briar having an unexpurgated copy of the Book with the page on Terapagos unmolested. The story hook is "How did he see them, given he was correct about them?".
And this is a game for senior infants to first class primary school students, jesus.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:38:56 No.55019352 Report

Quoted By: >>55019382

>>55019330
>Anon, the game outright tells you he is
No, it tells you the Professor and Briar believe he was telling the truth.
>through the paradox beasts
As was already pointed out, the Great Tusk he took a picture of does not have the same features as an actual Great Tusk. It's a fake.
>the effects of the herba mystica
Effects which change based on the one using it. Arven expected it to act a certain way, so it acted that way. Titan pokemon wanted it to act a certain way so it did. Florian wants it to act a certain way when he makes sandwiches and it does. Almost like... it's reflecting... desires...
>And this is a game for senior infants to first class primary school students, jesus.
I see you're falling back to "the inconsistencies are just because it's a baby game" because you've realized you can't argue against the sheer amount of evidence that you're wrong.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:44:26 No.55019382 Report

Quoted By: >>55019390

>>55019352
I don't know how you can talk about evidence when everything in the book is true. Not only that he talks about terastalization before anyone else discovered it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:45:54 No.55019390 Report

Quoted By: >>55019410 >>55019437

>>55019382
>when everything in the book is true.
Some things in the book came true afterwards. It doesn't mean it was true when he wrote it. The photograph is a fake, this is undeniable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:51:23 No.55019410 Report

Quoted By: >>55019576

>>55019390
The thing I’m genuinely curious about, is what if the Photo was not taken in Area Zero itself? The cartography sketch seems to paint the same non-jungle location for within Area Zero as we see it today; is there not just a chance that they ended up being chased out of Area Zero and the photo was taken elsewhere? The only feature of the Great Tusk photo that cannot be rectified because of perspective and the ears covering the back design, are simply the spikes on Great Tusk. The Iron Treads image in comparison looks the same, and you can complain all you want about the artist’s interpretation all you want, 5e point is it’s meant to be the fear of the moment coloring that drawing, it’s still showcasing the correct Pokémon.

The literal only out-of game reasoning that could describe this, is that what happened is a goof up on Gamefreak’s side, and they used an unfinished model of Great Tusk, instead of the final version we got.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 21:56:52 No.55019437 Report

Quoted By:

>>55019390
>Herba mystica
true
>paradox pokemon
true
>terastal
true
>mysterious plates
true
>imagined pokemon
this one won't be answered until Indigo Disk. As we've seen Terapagos is located somewhere below the Zero Lab, which would be where Heath's expedition would have seen them. This drawing was most likely just a teaser, but we will find out in 2 days.

So the main hangup you have is that the pictures don't 1:1 match the paradox pokemon, correct? Which do you feel is more likely: the book, originally thought of as bogus by the public, lied about one thing and everything else turned out to be true, or the book, that you can interact with <90 minutes into the game, was teasing Pokemon you would later encounter in your adventure instead of directly spoiling them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 22:21:24 No.55019576 Report

Quoted By:

>>55019410
>The literal only out-of game reasoning that could describe this, is that what happened is a goof up on Gamefreak’s side, and they used an unfinished model of Great Tusk, instead of the final version we got.
Or if you follow the game's narrative you can come to the reasonable conclusion that what we see in-game and what is described in the book isn't identical; this is the same plot structure they're going with in the anime with different iterations of the Lucius story having different elements, and the cast encounters both.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 22:53:30 No.55019762 Report

Quoted By:

Every day I pray to god that this franchise dies.

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 23:14:29 No.55019920 Report

Quoted By: >>55019936

>>55018896
Reabsorbed by the machine. That's right, our precious boy gets to experience his parents dying twice.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 23:17:00 No.55019936 Report

Quoted By: >>55020052

>>55019920
That makes no sense at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 23:18:47 No.55019949 Report

Quoted By: >>55019996

>>55014667
>>55013967
>>55018682
Another for the collage I see

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 23:20:07 No.55019960 Report

Quoted By: >>55019968 >>55019996

>>55018783
>CAT piss drinkers
It's so oddly specific. I want to call it bait or just someone exaggerating for the sake of the argument but I think this autist might genuinely just be fixated on feline urine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 23:21:30 No.55019968 Report

Quoted By: >>55019996

>>55019960
>>55018804

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Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 23:25:18 No.55019996 Report

Quoted By: >>55020006 >>55020010 >>55020019 >>55020064

>>55019949
>>55019960
>>55019968
It's clear you haven't been following. The cat piss poster has been planting this shit against me for weeks now trying to make people who come to the reasonable conclusion of time travel out to be as instable or insecure as they are.
Think about it for just a second. Why would the cat piss posts start immediately after the imaginationschizo runs out of arguments? In every thread it's come up they immediately stop ragging on about their wild youtube overload theories and go silent while they try and make me out to be the cat piss drinker. I'm just saying even if I WAS the cat piss poster, at least I'd be sound enough to make that argument as an ultimatum by choosing the option that's already been confirmed in the game. If anything, it's the imaginationschizo that should be the one drinking it. It's clear they have gone to that as a failsafe for when they have no better argument.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 23:26:58 No.55020006 Report

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>>55019996
Yeah I agree. It's clearly one person trying to target you. How sad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 23:27:59 No.55020010 Report

Quoted By:

>>55019996
Oh, you're right. I wasn't following up to that point that well. It definitely would make sense if it was just one person pretending to be you. They even tried to get down your sound reasoning beyond the incoherent schizoid babble present in all of the imagination posts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 23:28:47 No.55020016 Report

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I don't like the implication that time schizo has access to an animal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 23:29:00 No.55020019 Report

Quoted By:

>>55019996
Don't worry about it anon. The great thing about anomity is that no one will be capable of specifically tracking it to you REGARDLESS of whether or not it's an autist pretending to be you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 23:33:48 No.55020052 Report

Quoted By: >>55021658

>>55019936
The Ais are a product of whatever the hell spawn the machine in question AND they're technically a part of the protocol of said machine hence why we had to fight them in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 23:36:26 No.55020064 Report

Quoted By: >>55020069

>>55019996
>against me
This is the kind of shit that gives you away, imaginationfag.
You're trying too hard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 23:37:17 No.55020069 Report

Quoted By: >>55020140

>>55020064
just now realizing that typo you made huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 23:47:27 No.55020140 Report

Quoted By:

>>55020069
Look dude, if you want to guve yourself a specific boogeyman you need some subtlety. Don't just scream "cat piss" into the void and immediately cease your other posts and arguments.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 23:51:07 No.55020160 Report

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>>55013952
the time machine was real and terapagos is only going to be tangentially related to its existence

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 11 Dec 2023 23:55:34 No.55020192 Report

Quoted By: >>55020230

https://twitter.com/Riddler_Khu/status/1734359069916598748

what do we think he's trying to say?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 00:02:17 No.55020230 Report

Quoted By:

>>55020192
>i am khu and this is deep

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 00:24:43 No.55020353 Report

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Great, now they've started another thread to try and continue the cat piss pretender argument as if that was really me.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 03:42:22 No.55021263 Report

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>ripping off Johto
TTkeks are delusional

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 05:16:53 No.55021658 Report

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>>55020052
How are the AIs a product of the machine’s users/productions if they came before machine? Inaginationschizoes are always inconsistent anyway….

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 06:21:26 No.55021927 Report

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holy fuck bros look it's an imagination gear

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 07:37:01 No.55022218 Report

Quoted By: >>55022226 >>55023771 >>55025270

>other thread nuked by mods
I take it that means the imaginationschizo is the one that's been spamming all the Cynthia vore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 07:38:51 No.55022226 Report

Quoted By:

>>55022218
rent free

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 15:32:07 No.55023736 Report

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I have to wonder if there will be some kind of paradoxical event revealed to have happened ala "By his bootstraps" or The Song of Storms in Ocarina of Time.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 15:38:22 No.55023771 Report

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>>55022218

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 18:22:02 No.55024693 Report

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Can’t believe there’s only 30 hours until imaginationschizoes either hang thenselves or pretend the only argument they ever had was “there was more to the story like we said”.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 18:56:18 No.55024870 Report

Quoted By: >>55024939 >>55024944

>>55013952
You know, I remember this image from the second trailer 1.5 years ago. I get that’s it’s crystals, which teased Terastal, but what exactly are we actually looking at in this image?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:04:35 No.55024908 Report

Quoted By: >>55024931

>>55013952
>Scenarios for Time Travel to win definitively:
>[A bunch of vague shit that doesn't relate to the Paradoxes actually coming from the past or future]
>Scenarios for Imagination to win definitively:
>[A bunch of hyper specific shit for a theory that's pretty much just based on it being anything other than time travel]
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:10:03 No.55024931 Report

Quoted By: >>55024941

>>55024908
How is a character time travelling vague? It would be undeniable proof if we suddenly see grandpa Kieran or something like that.
Especially seeing the last or future. If we go there ourselves, there’s no denying the paradoxes are from there. Plus, this isn’t even that likely from GF’s effort.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:10:56 No.55024939 Report

Quoted By:

>>55024870
Terapagos final battle inside rakua

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:11:11 No.55024941 Report

Quoted By: >>55024951

>>55024931
>Especially seeing the last or future. If we go there ourselves, there’s no denying the paradoxes are from there
Except the fact there's no denying that they aren't from there. The legendary paradoxes are concrete proof of that, if you aren't already tipped off by "literally a dinosaur" or "literally a robot"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:11:32 No.55024944 Report

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>>55024870
I think it’s the professor taking a paradox from the past/future using the Time Machine. It looks a lot like that room, but the crystals are moving, potentially meaning the machine’s “energy” is currently functioning.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:14:21 No.55024951 Report

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>>55024941
Anon they’re not gonna make future moms off your speculative evolution. They’re gonna look exactly how kids imagine the future. I think you forgot this isn’t an adult franchise.
As for the legendary paradoxes, yeah you’re right. it's totally feasible that someone imagined three separate Pokemon from one and saw nothing wrong, as opposed to a sketch being inspired by brief glimpses of three separate mons and us now seeing what the mons were.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:18:47 No.55024964 Report

Quoted By: >>55025023 >>55025075

Can someone post the full texts of EVERY WORD (a full transcript) of both Heath’s books and Occulture for the obvious retards in this thread who haven’t read either?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:34:40 No.55025023 Report

Quoted By: >>55025041 >>55025067 >>55025075

>>55024964
Here's the Violet Book. Of note:
>They go in expecting precious stones and wondrous fruit, which are protected by a guardian
>Illustration shows a peach. No further mention of this, but they do find gems, herba mystica, and what we assume is the paradoxes
>The sketch of Iron Treads (and Great Tusk in Scarlet) is markedly different from the ones we catch
>The mysterious plate is described as "beyond modern science" not unlike the professor's AI explains itself.
>Heath strays in the depths and encounters something, is later found with similar looking schematics the Professor has on their billboards
>There are clearly pages we don't see of Heath's book for the other Paradoxes. According to Khu, this is intentional as are the differences between the Paradox Donphan in the book and the one in-game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:39:55 No.55025041 Report

Quoted By: >>55025055

>>55025023
>points out a fruit that no one has previously until the last few days
>conveniently leaves out that Heath spoke to someone in the depths of Area Zero
MUH NARRATIVE

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:42:14 No.55025055 Report

Quoted By: >>55025063

>>55025041
Yep. So in other words, Heath very likely spoke to the AI which would explain where they went after getting sucked up into the machine. That's probably the most damning piece of evidence for imagination.
It would also confirm that the schematics are indeed for the machine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:43:32 No.55025063 Report

Quoted By: >>55025075

>>55025055
It doesn't even need to be the AI necessarily. It could have been the professor, Briar, or a different character in the DLC. I would be very surprised if they don't address this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:44:57 No.55025067 Report

Quoted By: >>55025107

>>55025023
>iron thread look nothing like heath drawing
t-timesisters?!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:46:30 No.55025075 Report

Quoted By: >>55025082 >>55025085

>>55024964
>>55025023
Not posting an image for Occulture but here's the equivalent text dump for Violet:
>Enigmas of Paldea, File #04
Iron Valiant: An Experiment Gone Wrong?!
his oddity’s name is borrowed from that of an object described in the Violet Book.
>Enigmas of Paldea, File #05
Iron Hands: Secretly a Cyborg?!
This being’s name comes from the one given to an iron-handed entity in the mysterious Violet Book.
>Enigmas of Paldea, File #06
Iron Thorns: A Tyranitar of the Distant Future?!
A strange being called Iron Thorns has been
sighted in a certain cave in Paldea.
>Enigmas of Paldea, File #07
Iron Jugulis: Pokémon or Machine?!
It takes its name from a similarly described entity in
the Violet Book.
>Enigmas of Paldea, File #08
Iron Moth: A UFO Sent to Spy on Humankind?!
The name Iron Moth was borrowed from that of a flying object described in the era-defining Violet Book.
>Enigmas of Paldea, File #09
Iron Treads: An Alien Weapon?!
Apparently, it’s called Iron Treads after the name of a strange being that was written about in the mysterious Violet Book.
>>55025063
Yeah, that and the missing Occulture entries. It's also notable that Occulture is referenced in the opposite version dex entries, where you aren't able to read them in-game. Which gives further credence to the idea that the ones we see in particular are at least somewhat neutrally related to their depiction there due to the existence of both professors in both versions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:47:49 No.55025081 Report

Quoted By: >>55025085

>>55018863
just waiting for the inevitable where 0 things are answered, and nothing is tied up and everything is just as confusing if not more so after the dlc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:48:09 No.55025082 Report

Quoted By: >>55025106

>>55025075
The occulture is used in the dex because they don't technically exist in the opposite games. When we move to gen 10 it'll use a variation of the canon dex entry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:48:28 No.55025085 Report

Quoted By:

>>55025075
and most importantly:
>Enigmas of Paldea, File #10 Iron Bundle:
An Ancient Civilization’s Robot?! The mysterious Violet Book makes reference to a being called Iron Bundle, which was said to look like Delibird and to possess a spherical apparatus from which it would fire huge blasts of ice to propel itself through snowy lands. Plenty of theories about it have been floated. A leading one suggests it is the product of a long-gone civilization—a notion supported by ancient writings that describe the design and usage of machines resembling Iron Bundle.
>>55025081
>just waiting for the inevitable where 0 things are answered
They don't really need to answer much. We just need to see why the new paradoxes exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:49:10 No.55025091 Report

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>>55014805
Koraidon isn't called Winged King because Sada possibly named it that way "Koraidon" literally means past saurus or some shit along the lines of that
it would only make sense for the other Koraidon to be called Winged King but hey i give you that one he is not called that way

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:51:42 No.55025106 Report

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>>55025082
>The occulture is used in the dex because they don't technically exist in the opposite games
Except, they do. They exist in the magazines in both games. Pokemon don't just "not exist" because of somewhat story-related events that lead to their capture. That's the equivalent of saying Groudon doesn't exist in Sapphire or vice versa with Kyogre in Ruby.
The fact they've left us with 3 blank spots in Occulture for the new paradoxes, and likely two more at the end for Koraidon/Miraidon and Terapagos, leads me to believe it's going to be as simple as them just saying the former are based on the sketch and the latter are based on Heath's writings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:51:43 No.55025107 Report

Quoted By: >>55025115

>>55025067
>raidon is accurate on the books cover
oh no my narrative

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:52:43 No.55025115 Report

Quoted By: >>55025127

>>55025107
>raidon is accurate on the books cover
how so? prove it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:54:11 No.55025127 Report

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>>55025115
>prove it
Why are you in a discussion thread if you've never looked at the book lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:58:14 No.55025153 Report

Quoted By: >>55025163 >>55025200

it's clear that the time machine isn't real
Terapagos' power is probably related to the desire someone has to do something (ex. Sada to find Winged Kind or Briar to find Terapagos)
if it's not like this then it would be really shit since this desire shit is hinted at in the anime aswell
don't reply to me without thinking about it just for a second

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 19:59:42 No.55025163 Report

Quoted By: >>55025172 >>55025173

>>55025153
Which desire stuff are you referring to in the anime? All the current events have been put in motion before the series started.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:01:23 No.55025172 Report

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>>55025163
the Brave Asagi members all wanted to be someone in their lives and they did
Plus the weird Lucius pokemon appearing in dreams like Rayquaza are weird

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:01:27 No.55025173 Report

Quoted By: >>55025187 >>55025193

>>55025163
>Which desire stuff are you referring to in the anime?
In the anime the version of the story Liko's grandma knows and the one told from the book on Roy's side are different.
Roy's interpretation was the only one that mentioned the ancient poke balls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:03:16 No.55025187 Report

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>>55025173
Anon the story was written by Liko's father, which was a retelling from Diana. Diana was in possession of Lucius' property, including his belt for the pokeballs and Terapagos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:04:31 No.55025193 Report

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>>55025173
funky choice from the Anime to explain Rakua before the game
maybe it's a good choice since the games tend to not say shit and threads like this will eventually be born from the shit management the games have

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:07:59 No.55025200 Report

Quoted By: >>55025214 >>55025235

>>55025153
>it's clear that the time machine isn't real
idk, look pretty real to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:10:08 No.55025214 Report

Quoted By: >>55025326

>>55025200
can't believe they had multiple master balls in the past

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:13:25 No.55025235 Report

Quoted By: >>55025326

>>55025200
>>idk, look pretty real to me
Why doesn't it pull Pokemon that are actually from the past or future then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:13:53 No.55025236 Report

Quoted By:

i love to see shitheads like you try to piece together the absoilute shit narrative that this game has
can't wait for you all to be wrong and it's just some other explanation i'll kek a lot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:15:21 No.55025246 Report

Quoted By: >>55025252

Something I really don't understand is how people who watch the #Pokemon anime can still back the dream "theory" when the anime literally shows how Terapagos's power works, and it's consistent with the game lore so far, especially with the Crystal Pool.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:17:21 No.55025252 Report

Quoted By: >>55025259 >>55025271

>>55025246
>can still back the dream "theory" when the anime literally shows how Terapagos's power works
Which, if you've seen it, is pretty much entirely in line with the dream idea and has nothing to do with time travel whatsoever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:17:51 No.55025259 Report

Quoted By: >>55025269

>>55025252
I don't think you understand the concept of time travel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:18:17 No.55025261 Report

Quoted By:

is a collage of time travel fags not getting it being made right now or is it all gonna be made the day of release?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:19:42 No.55025269 Report

Quoted By: >>55025279 >>55025280

>>55025259
Do you? Time travel would involve the machine taking Pokemon from the past or future. Not only do we not see it do that, but everything in the anime so far is almost 1:1 the same plot of
>Main cast follows legend from a book/story
>Terapagos' power is used to unravel or uncover the truth of it
>All the while different interpretations muddy up the waters of what's real or what's fake

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:19:47 No.55025270 Report

Quoted By:

>>55022218
I wouldn't be surprised, ever since he made up "I'll drink cat piss" he's been spamming that too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:20:18 No.55025271 Report

Quoted By:

>>55025252
I don’t think you understand how ‘dreams’ work, when it’s actually memories being utilized by Terapagos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:20:43 No.55025275 Report

Quoted By:

there he goes going straight back to the cat piss thing again lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:21:03 No.55025279 Report

Quoted By: >>55025286

>>55025269
>Not only do we not see it do that
We see it happen literally as the battle with the AI starts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:21:11 No.55025280 Report

Quoted By: >>55025285

>>55025269
Sending anything to a different point of time is time travel. If the memories shown by Terapagos continue to ramp up as it restores its powers, Liko will more than likely interact with Lucius from the past in some way.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:21:17 No.55025281 Report

Quoted By:

imaginatin

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:21:44 No.55025285 Report

Quoted By: >>55025293

>>55025280
just like how Moltres did

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:22:00 No.55025286 Report

Quoted By: >>55025318

>>55025279
>We see it happen literally as the battle with the AI starts.
Nope. Play the game, it pulls out Slither Wing / Iron Moth.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:22:56 No.55025293 Report

Quoted By: >>55025305

>>55025285
Moltres interacting with Lucius was a memory being projected to them. In the most recent episode we had a very clear vision of Lucius as well as the environment changing around them. It will only get more intense from here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:24:26 No.55025305 Report

Quoted By: >>55025327 >>55025329

>>55025293
So, again, in words, Terapagos' powers have nothing to do with time travel and instead are influenced by strong desires.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:24:40 No.55025311 Report

Quoted By:

>>55018896
First time poster in a thread like this but my assumption is that they are destroyed/killed, which is why they are an AI in the first place so that they can be killed on-screen and still have an E Rating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:25:25 No.55025318 Report

Quoted By: >>55025330

>>55025286
You're telling people to play the game but don't know that the time machine was activated and brought a pokemon from the past/future.
Also if it were manifested the capture sequence wouldn't have been shown.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:26:32 No.55025326 Report

Quoted By: >>55025336

>>55025214
>can't believe they had multiple master balls in the past
>implying masterballs are rare nowaday
lol
>>55025235
>Why doesn't it pull Pokemon that are actually from the past or future then?
the paradox mons are the only mons that exist in the past and future.
>b-but muh fossilmons
they all got dexcut to make overthinking retards like you buy crown tundra. stop being an idiot now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:26:32 No.55025327 Report

Quoted By: >>55025336

>>55025305
You're hopping from how "dream idea" to "influenced by strong desires". Can you pick a lane?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:26:38 No.55025329 Report

Quoted By:

>>55025305
>Terapagos' powers have nothing to do with time travel
True, terapagos itself isn't a time pokemoj but can power it.
> and instead are influenced by strong desires.
No, we've never seen it react to strong desires. In the anime it seems to react mostly to danger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:26:43 No.55025330 Report

Quoted By: >>55025369

>>55025318
>You're telling people to play the game but don't know that the time machine was activated and brought a pokemon from the past/future.
Where do we see it do this? Not once does it actually perform this function is the problem. The AI uses it to pull out Slither Wing / Iron Moth but not any Pokemon from the past/future.
It could have easily brought Relicanth or Porygon3 but it didn't. Why didn't it at least bring the Great Tusk / Iron Treads mentioned in the Scarlet/Violet book?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:27:58 No.55025336 Report

Quoted By: >>55025347 >>55025393

>>55025327
>Can you pick a lane?
Still waiting for timetravelfags to explain how Terapagos has anything to do with time travel.
>>55025326
>the paradox mons are the only mons that exist in the past and future.
Why don't they then? You're pulling that out of your ass from Occulture.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:29:37 No.55025347 Report

Quoted By: >>55025407

>>55025336
>Still waiting for timetravelfags to explain how Terapagos has anything to do with time travel.
None. You're the one that's been pushing this narrative when no one has said it has anything to do with it. Eternatus does jack shit besides provide dynamax energy and a glorified cutscene.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:34:06 No.55025369 Report

Quoted By: >>55025407 >>55025420

>>55025330
>Where do we see it do this?
>literally as the battle with the AI starts.

>Not once does it actually perform this function is the problem.
Yes, yes it does. It's the only function of the time machine.
That's why you never see it or the crystals manifest things at any point in the game. Not to mention the AI travels into the past/future after.
>It could have easily brought Relicanth or Porygon3 but it didn't
Okay? How does this help your argument exactly?
I mean, while relicanth is old it's unlikely to be on land at any point and if you hadn't noticed every paradox pokemon is a mon that lives on land. Also you're making a massive assumption that porygon exists millions of years into the future.
>Why didn't it at least bring the Great Tusk / Iron Treads mentioned in the Scarlet/Violet book?
It did? They roam around area zero and one even escaped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:37:32 No.55025393 Report

Quoted By:

>>55025336
>Terapagos has anything to do with time travel.
Anon, everyone has been saying day one that Terapagos isn't a pokemon inherently related to time.
You're the only one who thinks that a pokemon needs to be directly related to a thing it's plugged into.
I mean, that's like saying Xerneas and Yveltal are capable of creating a massive cannon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:38:38 No.55025407 Report

Quoted By: >>55025437 >>55025440

>>55025347
>Eternatus does jack shit besides provide dynamax energy
So... You agree that Eternatus caused the darkest day and dynamax then?
>>55025369
>>literally as the battle with the AI starts.
I'm not seeing any Relicanth. So when do we get to see it pull from the past or future again?
>That's why you never see it or the crystals manifest things at any point in the game
Play the game then.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:40:06 No.55025420 Report

Quoted By: >>55025455

>>55025369
>That's why you never see it or the crystals manifest things at any point in the game.
lol
>Not to mention the AI travels into the past/future after.
Except they don't, and the Scarlet/Violet book is proof they didn't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:42:31 No.55025437 Report

Quoted By:

>>55025407
>I'm not seeing any Relicanth
Because they didn't pull a relicanth from the past, they pulled a paradox pokemon from the past.
You can't seem to comprehend the idea that living fossils existed with species that have gone extinct or have evolved into something else.
>Play the game then.
There's no point in the game where it manifests anything. If you had an example you would have actually posted it but you aren't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:42:57 No.55025440 Report

Quoted By:

>>55025407
>So... You agree that Eternatus caused the darkest day and dynamax then?
No shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 20:45:48 No.55025455 Report

Quoted By: >>55026507

>>55025420
Anon, you're posting one of the major examples against the idea of manifestation. Freely altering your pokemon's tera type against its wishes using crystals of a specific type isn't manifestation, it's radiation exposure.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 21:02:15 No.55025556 Report

Quoted By:

OP here:
Aw shit, now I can’t bump this thread into surviving to see it resolved. Let’s just hope it makes it….
I personally have no reason ti be on /vp/ for the next day, so I won’t be jumping other threads (killing this one). Here’s to /vp/ not being TOO active in hopes of some last second lolz in here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 23:12:31 No.55026353 Report

Quoted By: >>55026624

>>55013952
>Why do all the Paradoxmons have nonsensical names?
>How can Ancientmons be the ancestors of Pokemon if they can't even breed?
>Why would all Futuremon be generic robot versions?
>How were there Futuremon in Area Zero centuries before the time machine was built?
>Why do all Paradoxmon have the same ability?
>How does Suicune have an ancestor?
>Why do their dex-entries directly contradict the idea of them being relatives to present pokemon (Iron Hands is a human-cyborg, Iron Bundle is an ANCIENT weapon, Iron Moth is an alien satellite)

Idk the Paradoxmon actually being from the past/future just wouldn't make sense

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Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 23:39:36 No.55026507 Report

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>>55025455
>Freely altering your pokemon's tera type against its wishes using crystals of a specific type isn't manifestation, it's radiation exposure.

Nta but you are intentionally misunderstanding that mechanic, the idea is your Pokemon eats a meal that's so good their outlook on life was changed, reflected in a tera type change.

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Anonymous Tue 12 Dec 2023 23:50:39 No.55026579 Report

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>>55026507
>the idea is your Pokemon eats a meal that's so good their outlook on life was changed,
Which is something you pulled right out of your ass. If that were the case you wouldn't need to expose it to crystals of a specific type. There wouldn't even be type specific crystals.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Dec 2023 00:01:17 No.55026624 Report

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>>55026353
>names
Because they were just discovered. How would this go against time travel being real again?
>can’t breed
Egg group undiscovered. Ultra Beasts “can’t breed” either, but they continue to exist in other worlds. Mechanics =/= lore.
>generic robots
This is a kids franchise and that’s the only way I can imagine they market “future Pokemon”. Not all of them were just copy pasted + metal.
>ability
Same reason they all have the same ending cry, just like ultra beasts (even though those aren’t even from the same places). They’re just shorthand for you to associate them together. It’s not lore.
>suicune
Was resurrected, not created, less than 200 years ago. Either Walking Wake’s descendant died in the tower or it itself. Or Ho oh recreated Suicune in Walking Wake’s image. Or Walking Wake left area zero after Heath, only to die in the tower.
>dex entries
Are all obviously speculation.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Dec 2023 00:20:05 No.55026745 Report

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Good thread bros. See you on the other side then, suicidal imaginationtrannies.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Dec 2023 00:58:44 No.55026975 Report

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>>55013952
I'm happy we're finally gonna get some answers but I'm also a bit sad that it's likely not gonna be nearly as cool as anyone though it'd be when everyone was speculating what the brilliant disc was. Like everyone thought terrapagos would be treated like some sort of cosmic horror that could legitimately be the first evil pokemon or at least some sort of uncontrollable for e of nature. Or speculation about the teachers and geeta being an evil organization and the school being a front for gathering strong trainers to explore area Zero. Or even the possibility of nemona being a born from terrapagos.

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Anonymous Wed 13 Dec 2023 01:00:13 No.55026991 Report

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24 hours bros. That’s it. Cheers to all schizoids of the earth.

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