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The death of frontier

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 16:57:27 No.55191507 View View Reply Original Report

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>PEOPLE HAVEN'T NOTICED THAT GAMEFREAK ACTUALLY REMOVED THE BATTLE TREE COMPLETELY IN SV. THE LAST SEMBLANCE OF A BATTLE FACTORY. THE LAST BASTION OF THE FRONTIER. EVEN GEN 2 HAS BATTLE TREE. AND WHAT EXACTLY DID WE GET IM REPLACEMENT? BALOON POPPING.
Watch them make the battle train be out of comissioj because of ratata infestation or some shit.
First no game corners, then no contests and now no frontiers.
Raids are a broken mess too.

Fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 16:59:27 No.55191517 Report

Quoted By: >>55191523 >>55191531 >>55191534 >>55191554 >>55191787 >>55191800 >>55191958 >>55192006 >>55194176 >>55196514

Play VGC if you want "muh postgame content"
Idiot

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:00:44 No.55191523 Report

Quoted By: >>55191607 >>55191619

>>55191517
1 month has been deposited in your HOME account

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:01:09 No.55191525 Report

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>>55191507
>let’s blame Gen 9 for all the shit like game corner, contests, and frontier gen 5 removed and Gen 4 downgraded
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:02:04 No.55191531 Report

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>>55191517
stupid fucking pokeshill bootlicker nigger, kys

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:02:06 No.55191532 Report

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everyone noticed. it's just that those who care have resigned to the reality that it's gone for good

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:02:14 No.55191534 Report

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>>55191517

I used to play VGC and have a tower back then you cuck shit bitch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:03:13 No.55191537 Report

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>>55191525
Voltrob flip is the superior game corner, fuck you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:03:22 No.55191539 Report

Quoted By: >>55191543 >>55191551

Battle facilities existed as training wheels for PvP.

In the era of online multiplayer (both ranked and unranked), there's no reason to bother.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:03:30 No.55191541 Report

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>>55191507
Nobody ever gave a fuck about battle towers, stop forcing this meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:04:17 No.55191543 Report

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>>55191539
Gen8 had ranked and a tower. Stop making excuses for cut content you shill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:05:31 No.55191551 Report

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>>55191539
>switch online gets shuts down
Wow now I have fuck all, thanks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:06:00 No.55191553 Report

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>BDSP has a good Battle Tower - maybe the last one in the series
another BDSP chads W

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:06:31 No.55191554 Report

Quoted By: >>55191556 >>55191619 >>55194101

>>55191517
>play with poketrannies and tranny judges
haha no

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:07:16 No.55191556 Report

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>>55191554
>tranny obsessed
Kill yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:09:02 No.55191569 Report

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>>55191507
SWSH and SV DLC's are a fucking scam. 3rd versions are better than this shit. 3rd version polished the vanilla ones while the dlc gives extra story on top of turd.
GF needs to revaluate their business strategies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:12:36 No.55191586 Report

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>>55191569
>GF needs to reevaluate their business strategies
Why? You stupid retards buy it anyway. You cry, you buy, you cry again, you buy again. Fuck off. Or better yet, kill yourself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:16:19 No.55191607 Report

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>>55191523
Nobody tell this Anon about how they get their mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:16:42 No.55191608 Report

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>>55191569
>GF needs to revaluate their business strategies.
As fucking if. Just because the games the DLC have been added on to have had issues doesn't mean DLC isn't an objectively better business method than third versions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:18:03 No.55191619 Report

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>>55191523
>>55191531
>>55191534
>>55191554
All smognigs are obnoxious elitist cunts

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:18:46 No.55191625 Report

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>>55191608
DLC 30 dollars even if they get half of the people to buy it they dont make as much as 3rd version that were full priced or 2 versions.
Main reason they stopped this is because people kept bitching. DLC is just keep the delusional alive that the main game might get fixed but it doesnt.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:19:00 No.55191628 Report

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>>55191543
Gen 8's tower was nerfed into the ground so hard it barely even counts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:22:58 No.55191653 Report

Quoted By: >>55192012 >>55192028

Did they really remove the Battle Frontier so as to disallow offline late-game play, forcing players to get Nintendo Online so as to battle other players instead?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:37:08 No.55191729 Report

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>>55191507
WHEN I

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:42:18 No.55191752 Report

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>>55191619
Thanks for outing yourself ig

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:51:46 No.55191787 Report

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>>55191517
>pay money for slow boring battles against sweaty tryhard faggots using the same dozen Pokemon repeatedly

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:54:00 No.55191800 Report

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>>55191517
>multiplayer
garbage

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 17:54:38 No.55191803 Report

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>>55191507
The Battle Tree only exists in Alola, retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 18:11:55 No.55191929 Report

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>>55191507
>you will never pop 60 beans a day and moonsault off a 10 foot high cage
;^(

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 18:19:31 No.55191958 Report

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>>55191517
This is why I hate competitive players

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 18:22:51 No.55191965 Report

Quoted By: >>55194095

>>55191787
Just like how you used to pay for third versions for slow boring battles against repetitive NPCs using the same dozen Pokemon repeatedly?
There's a reason Walrein is so notorious in the Battle Tower and its derivatives, you know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 18:30:35 No.55192006 Report

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>>55191507
How would they have created sets + proper battles that use Tera in a meaningful manner at launch without a ton of prior experience with the mechanic being used? This conversation cannot continue until this question is addressed.
Keep in mind that the only true battle facilities in Sword and Shield either were gutted due to Dynamax (a select few NPCs in the Tower could only use select Pokemon to Gigantamax), were designed around you exploiting the mechanics of them (Restricted Sparring, which was balanced by giving you limited heals) or were only created when ample time with the mechanic was well understood with previous usages (Dynamax Adventures).
I am not saying I am in favor of them not having a Tower, but the Frontier in any meaningful capacity has been gone since gen 3 (gen 4 was mixed and different offer actual different battling mechanics, just mechanics built around the preexisting battling) and with how barebones the previous Tower in Sword and Shield, I didn't spend a ton of time there other than to get the 4 different trainer card backgrounds. BDSP's Tower with it having dedicated prebuilt teams and thought out sets (shoutouts to the Ambipom Garchomp counter set) teams really seemed like it was the last hurrah of the format.
>>55191517
meta fagging on ladder and creating teams to challenge yourself by getting the 50/51 streak win ribbon or milestone are fundamentally two different experiences

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 18:31:40 No.55192012 Report

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>>55191653
The people that play the games just to reach the credits aren't going to be purchasing an additional subscription just to trade and battle online if they don't already have the subscription for anything else unrelated, and the inverse of people that would play the offline facilities anyways likely already have a subscription anyways, either for battling online specifically or for something else entirely different (I pay nothing and have paid nothing for years because I was added to someone else's family plan). I hardly doubt they neglect to put this stuff in because it takes away from people getting subscriptions, I have no idea if that metric can even exist in a meaningful way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 18:35:21 No.55192028 Report

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>>55191653
Don’t attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetence. Sure, the guaranteed success of even the worst Pokemon games would justify these design decisions, but Gamefreak is also genuinely just that retarded.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 18:38:11 No.55192041 Report

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>>55192006
To follow up with this, I also look at it this way:
imagine you have a facility that is streak based where at any time you can go against a species of Pokemon that has ~4 sets per species. For those four sets due to how Teras are generated, they could be any particular type Tera. The AI only can Tera based off what it previously knows. This means that a system has to be designed which makes the battles not a miserable RNG fest where you get immediately countered by an unlucky Tera which could lose you the entire match. There are other ways around this, such as
>just not allowing Tera which I don't see them doing because then people will complain
>giving you a team preview of Teras or just letting both you and the AI know the Tera type of the Pokemon through a symbol on the status screen
>making only certain trainers tera certain Pokemon
and I think in general due to the nature of Tera, it would just make streak based facilities miserable both to play if you could cheese the opponent with your own Tera or 10x more tragic and painful to lose than when you lose a high streak due to the OHKO Walrein/Dugtrio/Rhydon in gens 3 and 4's Tower.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 18:48:21 No.55192075 Report

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>>55192041
I think its just overanalyzing it, they could do just 1-2 tera types per Pokemon and it could even end up being very kino and challenging like Rayquaza going tera fire and using overheat and stuff. I stil cope they will patch it in on Pokemon Day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 05 Jan 2024 23:26:22 No.55193482 Report

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Shills will eat it up

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 01:25:59 No.55194067 Report

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>>55191507
>Battle Tree
Alolakeks....

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 01:31:31 No.55194095 Report

Quoted By: >>55194122

>>55191787
>>55191965
Why are you even playing Pokemon if you don't like battles?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 01:33:20 No.55194101 Report

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>>55191554
Smogon is infested with trannies too, dumbass

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 01:37:55 No.55194122 Report

Quoted By: >>55196569

>>55194095
I like battles, but battling against Timmy using his starter and 5 legendaries, and Jimmy using Meta: The Movie gets stale real fast. That's what battle facilities (Not just the boring Battle Tower) are for, using different Pokemon in unique and interesting scenarios.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 01:42:29 No.55194147 Report

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You guys didn’t appreciate the Subway bros
Or the Battle Maison sisters
Get what you deserve

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 01:53:02 No.55194176 Report

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>>55191517
you fucking retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 04:13:15 No.55194773 Report

Quoted By: >>55195594 >>55196262

>>55191507
The train will be out of commission on account of one its conductors being sucked through time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 04:17:20 No.55194794 Report

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>>55191537
Voltorb Flip would be fine if you could buy coins. Also all the gen 4 games are missing the roulette and pal Platinum doesn’t have slots at all

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 04:17:46 No.55194796 Report

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you'll still buy it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 08:13:32 No.55195594 Report

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>>55194773
Kek GF is genuis

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Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 12:33:52 No.55196262 Report

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>>55194773
It's so over

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 14:05:00 No.55196483 Report

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>>55191507
Alright, but are we sure DLC is over? We are still missing the Kalos legendary trio, after all...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 14:14:30 No.55196514 Report

Quoted By: >>55196551

>>55191517
>Online IS the postgame
>Gets shut down maybe 10 years later
Fuck off

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 14:17:40 No.55196525 Report

Quoted By: >>55196537

>>55196483
>Alright, but are we sure DLC is over?
Yes epilogue is some gay shit with some purple blob shit. No new mons in it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 14:17:41 No.55196526 Report

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>They replaced Battle Points with Blueberry Points
It’s joever…

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 14:21:05 No.55196537 Report

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>>55196525
Then that sucks. The legendary trio being gone is strange is odd, but also the fact that we didn't get a battle tower, as OP said, but also nothing close to the Dynamax adventure that existed in the tundra DLC for Sw/Sh, that allowed you to go on a journey with other players. I liked the story of the teal mask, but frankly Sword and Shield end up with more meat than Scarlet and Violet, which is sad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 14:25:37 No.55196551 Report

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>>55196514
>worried about a service shutting down before even using it
>thinking you’ll spend more than 5 years on a game that’s not a MMO or Mobileshit
there’s an unsub button for a reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 14:33:14 No.55196569 Report

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>>55194122
>unique and interesting
>you’re stripped almost entirely of the ability to strategize and enemy sets are either fodder or RNG bullshit
Sure…interesting…

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 18:53:03 No.55197566 Report

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Battle Tree was peak, fighting a random boss every 10 trainers, scouting them for multis. I remember clearing Super Doubles with Guzma. Good times.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 06 Jan 2024 23:38:59 No.55199130 Report

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>>55191507
I knew it was only a matter of time after the battle frontier didn't return in ORAS. Good thing I stopped buying games after S&M.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Jan 2024 00:07:45 No.55199278 Report

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Gen 4 is the last good gen.

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Anonymous Sun 07 Jan 2024 00:14:20 No.55199301 Report

Quoted By: >>55199525

Don't care about Shit Frontier.
Don't care about Autism simulator.
Only care about the adventure and catching creatures that look cool.
Simple as.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 07 Jan 2024 00:54:06 No.55199525 Report

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>>55199301
>Only care about the adventure
There is none

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