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Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 15:18:59 No.55253105 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>55253168 >>55253172 >>55253186 >>55253208 >>55253249 >>55253267 >>55254209 >>55255162 >>55255448 >>55255495 >>55256748 >>55256820

Grass isn’t a crippling typ.....ACK

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 15:20:37 No.55253111 Report

Quoted By: >>55255408 >>55255552

Grass isn’t a crippling type. Cope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 15:39:57 No.55253168 Report

Quoted By: >>55253174

>>55253105
Ogerpon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 15:41:19 No.55253172 Report

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>>55253105
Bulu was the weakest Tapu but he was still very good, much better than anything else on the image. Fairy and auto terrain are both OP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 15:41:56 No.55253174 Report

Quoted By: >>55253208 >>55255383

>>55253168
All the forms are grass in that case though, and the worst form is pure grass anyway

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 15:44:13 No.55253186 Report

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>>55253105
Fuck you I love Wo Chien. Ting Lu is the worst by far.

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Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 15:49:31 No.55253208 Report

Quoted By: >>55253262 >>55253744

>>55253105
All of those are more crippled by their dogshit stat distributions than anything. Add no Fairy STAB for Bulu, which by the way was outclassed by a pure Grass type.

All variations of picrel are solid and neither of them would be better without Grass.
>b-but when they go tera
Tera forms have a stat boost plus the benefit of Tera itself

>>55253174
>and the worst form is pure grass anyway

The worst form is Grass/Rock. Rock is an actual crippling type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 16:01:59 No.55253245 Report

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Wochien bros...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 16:02:39 No.55253249 Report

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>>55253105
>posting a redd*t screenshot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 16:05:59 No.55253262 Report

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>>55253208
Cornerstone seems more success in both VGC and Smogon than Teal. Hearthflame and Wellspring are the clear best though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 16:07:10 No.55253267 Report

Quoted By: >>55253684 >>55253718

>>55253105
>Iron Leaves
Nah Iron Crown is worst of the trio

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 16:23:59 No.55253351 Report

Quoted By: >>55253695

>zero coverage to compensate for grass being resisted by everything
>support-oriented despite having a million weaknesses
It's a rock or ice situation where the type itself isn't bad, but the matchups clash with how they thematically build the Pokemon. Grass's best trait is that the few resists it has are very good and it's one of the few things that threatens Water, so you'd expect them to be tanky, offense-oriented Pokemon. That's why Pokemon like Ogrepon and Rillaboom are REALLY good. (Tapu Bulu would be too, if he actually had fairy STAB)

Although nothing could really save Iron Leaves from how shit the psychic type is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 17:44:16 No.55253684 Report

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>>55253267
>Best Expanding Force user
Don't think so m8

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 17:46:46 No.55253695 Report

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>>55253351
grass/psychic is also just a uniquely bad type combo
There are a ton of good grass types unlike other bad types, I think grass is a type that lends itself to providing weaknesses for the strong mons it produces, so you rarely hear about insanely OP grass types, but there are a lot of really good grass types. Plus the grass immunity to powder moves is really useful in VGC especially, where grass types are really good right now

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Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 17:52:18 No.55253718 Report

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>>55253267
Clearly you haven't been spamming expanding force

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 17:57:30 No.55253744 Report

Quoted By: >>55254309 >>55255503

>>55253208
It's going to be so weird in the next games when you're just given these masks like they're not supposed to be one-of-a-kind

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 19:30:32 No.55254176 Report

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>>55253695
Grass is hard carried by the fact that it's one of the 3 starter types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 19:34:35 No.55254209 Report

Quoted By: >>55255540

>>55253105
Bulu is bad because another Grass type with the same niche is far better than it.

Virizion is bad because of its shit stat line.

Leaves and Wo-Chien are bad because they got types that synergise really bad with Grass. Wo-Chien in particular would actually probably be good if it got reliable recovery.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 19:54:38 No.55254298 Report

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Bulu and Wo-Chien are based.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 19:57:53 No.55254309 Report

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>>55253744
they'll be in-universe bootlegs to explain why they don't get special terastal effects

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 22:43:14 No.55255151 Report

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>>55254309
That actually makes a lot of sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 22:46:25 No.55255162 Report

Quoted By: >>55255347

>>55253105
https://pikalytics.com/
Four of the top 20 Pokemon are Grass types. Grass is arguably one of two types a balanced team 100% needs to have (as going without it means you get hard cucked by sleep). Grass is fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 23:25:18 No.55255347 Report

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>>55255162
grass is a great example of how to buff types that underperform purely based on their type chart matchups, having unique niches for types like grass' powder move immunity is just way more interesting than changing the chart (though that obviously sometimes is necessary)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 23:35:50 No.55255383 Report

Quoted By: >>55255393

>>55253174
Pure grass has a free item slot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 23:36:52 No.55255393 Report

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>>55255383
but it loses the 20 percent boost to all moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 23:39:45 No.55255408 Report

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>>55253111
Take away either his priority move or his weather ability and he instsntly becomes a shitmon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 23:47:26 No.55255448 Report

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>>55253105
worst statistically or worse designs because all of them are top tier designs of their groups except the tapu (the girl tapus are the only good ones)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 23:51:47 No.55255475 Report

Quoted By: >>55255484 >>55255494

Why does grass always have so many trannies hating on it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 23:54:00 No.55255484 Report

Quoted By: >>55255494

>>55255475
same reason why ice does

campaignshitters have no knowledge of the game beyond type matchups

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 23:55:26 No.55255494 Report

Quoted By: >>55255506 >>55255554 >>55255576

>>55255475
>>55255484
Retardkun, grass is actually a good type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 23:55:28 No.55255495 Report

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>>55253105
i just want gamefreak to give the tapus their op terrain move, bulu would be the worst anyway, but still

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 23:57:23 No.55255503 Report

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>>55253744
Yeah bro but being given the orb that makes Giratina go into its Arceus form or the orbs that make Groudon and Kyogre go into their planet-threatening, original, true forms all these years(guess not anymore lol) is definitly not weird

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 16 Jan 2024 23:58:25 No.55255506 Report

Quoted By: >>55255562

>>55255494
The guy you're replying to is an up and coming schizo. He's obsessed with ice, uses the term campaignshitter, and literally doesn't know how to play the game properly

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:02:51 No.55255540 Report

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>>55254209
Leech Seed is enough for Wo Chien Id say, its trash tier of a defensive typing isnt
Same thing with Ting Lu for that matter, what is Ting Lu(and Wo Chien) gonna do next gen when Tera is gone? Click Fissure(or and Leech Seed) while taking SE damage from everything on the field?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:05:22 No.55255552 Report

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>>55253111
>Lost Grassy Glide at the beginning of the gen
>Became literally unusable, almost as shit as Inceleon
lol, lmao

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Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:05:30 No.55255554 Report

Quoted By: >>55255564

>>55255494
so is ice

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:06:34 No.55255562 Report

Quoted By: >>55255568

>>55255506
>and literally doesn't know how to play the game properly
t. thinks clicking moonblast instead of ice beam when you're about to get KO'd the same turn is a smart play

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:06:47 No.55255564 Report

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>>55255554
Retardkun, it’s not…

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:07:27 No.55255568 Report

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>>55255562
Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:09:12 No.55255576 Report

Quoted By: >>55255610 >>55255613 >>55255635

>>55255494
Grass is bad.

>Complete list of every type from best to worst:
1. Fairy
2. Steel
3. Ghost
4. Water
5. Ground
6. Fire
(Good type cut off)
7. Flying
8. Electric
9. Fighting
10. Dark
11. Dragon
12. Poison
(Okay type cut off)
13. Psychic
14. Normal
15. Bug
16. Grass
17. Rock
18. Ice

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:16:10 No.55255610 Report

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>>55255576
Would honestly switch Fire and Flying since Flying tends to be the better type in a vacuum. Sure, it's full of shitmons, but the highest tiers are filled with Flying types.

Otherwise the list is just about perfect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:16:24 No.55255613 Report

Quoted By: >>55255634

>>55255576
not sure if i'd agree with fairy over steel, steel has a couple of type combos that simply doesn't work (like rock), but overall i feel it's still better than fairy; water tops ghost imo
dark being that low is debatable, being inmune to prankster is great in veggie sea, but it gets hard carried by extremely good mons like chi yu and chien pao, that fairy weakness in the flutter mane meta hurts tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:20:35 No.55255634 Report

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>>55255613
Fairy has more bullshit type combos than Steel. All 3 types that resist Fairy are weak to Ground, and Fairy is only weak to the 2 weakest attacking types in the game while Steel is weak to 3 of the best. Ground is THE most common attacking type, and Fire and Fighting are in the top 5. Meanwhile, Steel and Poison are both in the bottom 3.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:20:51 No.55255635 Report

Quoted By: >>55255654 >>55255681 >>55255790

>>55255576
imagine thinking psychic is a bad type
jesus fucking christ no one on this board has any clue how the game works

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:24:44 No.55255654 Report

Quoted By: >>55255677 >>55255683

>>55255635
Psychic is terrible. Psyspam is only viable in VGC where Dark types are currently not as prevalent as normal because Flutter Mane shits on them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:28:54 No.55255677 Report

Quoted By: >>55255697

>>55255654
>Psyspam is only viable in the game
oh no.....

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:30:07 No.55255681 Report

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>>55255635
Retardkun
Retardkun
Ice is bad
so is Psychic
Retardkun
Retardkun
You only make it worse
Everyone thinks you're a retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:30:20 No.55255683 Report

Quoted By: >>55255697 >>55255700 >>55255713

>>55255654
>THAT THING THAT'S GOOD DOESN'T COUNT AS BEING GOOD BECAUSE [retarded arbitrary reason] PLEASE LOOK AT THE TYPE CHART IN A VACUUM INSTEAD
Why do campaignshitters always do this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:34:43 No.55255697 Report

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>>55255677
>>55255683
Game Freak doesn't make real Pokemon games anymore. They lost the title after a decade of releasing nothing but 4/10 or worse games. REAL Pokemon is Gens 1 - 5 + Romhacks + Smogon + Nuzlockes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:35:21 No.55255700 Report

Quoted By: >>55255754

>>55255683
Objectively speaking, a type is good depending on how good it is on Arceus or Silvally.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:38:44 No.55255713 Report

Quoted By: >>55255754

>>55255683
>Type is good!
>Said type's most used Pokemon has a paltry 7% usage rate
Meanwhile the most used Rock has 11%, the most used Normal has 9%, the most used Grass has 30%, and the most used Ghost has more placements than every single Psychic type combined.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:43:29 No.55255742 Report

Quoted By: >>55255750

I wish snail was good

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:44:40 No.55255750 Report

Quoted By: >>55255763 >>55255767

>>55255742
>Slow, defensive Grass type
It'll never be good unless it gets access to Spore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:45:03 No.55255754 Report

Quoted By: >>55255764 >>55255797

>>55255700
Objectively speaking, a type is good depending on how well it performs in the actual game.

>>55255713
>>Said type's most used Pokemon has a paltry 7% usage rate
In DAY 2 of a REGIONAL, tied with many other Pokemon with the type, yes. Get a better argument, campaignshitter.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:46:16 No.55255763 Report

Quoted By: >>55255773

>>55255750
>Slow, defensive Grass type It'll never be good unless it gets access to Spore
play the game

>WAIT NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE [cope]

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:46:29 No.55255764 Report

Quoted By: >>55255770

>>55255754
>In DAY 2 of a REGIONAL, tied with many other Pokemon with the type
That's the point. Psychic is a lesser type because it's so rarely used. Even if Flutter Mane were the only Ghost type used in competitive play, it'd still outclass the ENTIRE Psychic type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:46:45 No.55255767 Report

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>>55255750
I thought it got spore...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:47:18 No.55255770 Report

Quoted By: >>55255777

>>55255764
>Psychic is a lesser type because it's so rarely used
It isn't rarely used though. You're not very smart, are you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:47:36 No.55255773 Report

Quoted By: >>55255853

>>55255763
I thought Pokemon good in singles but not doubles didn't count?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:48:36 No.55255777 Report

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>>55255770
It is. The total usage rate of the entire type is less than 1 Pokemon's usage. There might be more Psychics that are used overall, but they all have a low usage rate.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:51:47 No.55255790 Report

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>>55255635
>poison 2
>bug 0
No wonder I hate it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 00:54:04 No.55255797 Report

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>>55255754
>Arceus isn't in the game
ok retardkun

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 01:06:23 No.55255853 Report

Quoted By: >>55255865

>>55255773
Ferrothorn is good in doubles. You don't see it now because it's dexited.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 01:08:46 No.55255861 Report

Quoted By: >>55255870

Ack-posting needs to be a bannable offensive or at least be filtered.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 01:09:40 No.55255865 Report

Quoted By: >>55255880

>>55255853
You didn't see it in Gen 7 or 8 either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 01:10:40 No.55255870 Report

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>>55255861
Why? What's wrong wi-ACK

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 01:13:55 No.55255880 Report

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>>55255865
nta but people ran iron defense body press Ferro in Gen 8 as a late game cleanup before all the OP shit got added, I don't know if it had tournament success but you could win with it online.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 01:15:41 No.55255883 Report

Quoted By: >>55255918

I'm pretty sure Fini was the worst Tapu.

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Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 01:21:25 No.55255918 Report

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>>55255883
Fini was the best standalone Tapu. Koko and Lele were better if you had Pokemon to make use of their terrains (Rising Voltage, Expanding Force). Overall, Tapu Rilla > Tapu Fini > Tapu Lele > Tapu Koko > Tapu Bulu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 17 Jan 2024 04:22:57 No.55256748 Report

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>>55253105
>LET'S TURN VIRIZION INTO A ROBOT AND CALL IT A NEW POKEMON!
paradox mons were a mistake. gamefreak should be ashamed of themselves for being this lazy wit their pokemon designs. they couldn't be assed to give this thing a cool new design motif to set it apart from Virizion? it literally is just Virizion but as a robot and nothing else. what a boring design. gamefreak's laziness needs to be stopped because pokemon designs are not only thing that is effected by it

OP is a fucking faggot

OP is a fucking faggot Wed 17 Jan 2024 04:40:06 No.55256820 Report

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>>55253105
>plebbit screenshot
You belong in that "worst of your group," OP

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