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Anonymous Fri 19 Jan 2024 23:42:42 No.55272621 View View Reply Original Report

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I've seen more fan love for these characters than for many main rivals from previous games, and they are DLC only.
Why are they so successful compared to Klara and Avery? Honest question.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jan 2024 23:43:49 No.55272624 Report

Quoted By: >>55272656 >>55273358 >>55273675 >>55273708

>>55272621
because they push the story forward. What the fuck do Klara and Avery do? No seriously I forgot, and the same goes for Peonia honestly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jan 2024 23:50:25 No.55272654 Report

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>>55272621
their the only characters that are not made to jerk off the faggot cult

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jan 2024 23:50:50 No.55272656 Report

Quoted By: >>55272659 >>55272681 >>55273528

>>55272624
>What the fuck do Klara and Avery do? No seriously I forgot, and the same goes for Peonia honestly.
Klara and Avery exist to introduce you to shit in the Isle of Armor. Klara wants to be a famous gym leader but doesn't want to put in the effort to reach that point. She's halfassing things. Avery wants to be a gym leader and continue his family's tradition, but his weak psychic ability and huge ego caused him to get disowned from his family.
In both instances through interactions with you they get inspired to take their goals more seriously and put in the effort to improve.

Peonia is Calyrex's mouthpiece and the NPC that drives the plot in the Crown Tundra. He's the one who tells you where to go.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jan 2024 23:51:52 No.55272659 Report

Quoted By: >>55272685

>>55272656
>Peonia
Whoops, I meant Peony. Peonia is an NPC companion for Max Lair raids.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jan 2024 23:56:45 No.55272678 Report

Quoted By: >>55272709 >>55272720

Kieran is one of the like 6 characters in the history of pokemon that has something resembling a character arc. Its incredibly basic and short but pokefags are so used to one-dimensional characters that a just barely three dimensional one is an accomplishment

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jan 2024 23:57:53 No.55272681 Report

Quoted By: >>55272693 >>55272710

>>55272656
Peony is a gigachad but ultimately he was le funny puppet man throughout most of the story. He deserved better (deserves, now we know he has a SECOND ungrateful brat of a daughter)

Carmine and Kieran had their own arcs and conflicts and that gave them more depth. That makes them more memorable.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 19 Jan 2024 23:58:20 No.55272685 Report

Quoted By: >>55272693

>>55272659
Peony is cool, being Rose's brother and embarrassing his daughter was kino. He still doesn't have as much to him as the teal mask characters i feel like, but i like him for what he is

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jan 2024 23:58:44 No.55272688 Report

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>>55272621
they didn't make them version exclusive like Klara/Avery or exist for 5 seconds like Peonia

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 19 Jan 2024 23:59:48 No.55272693 Report

Quoted By: >>55275140

>>55272681
>>55272685
>Peony has not one but 2 daughters that seemingly hate his guts when he's just trying to be a good father
What did Peony do wrong?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 00:04:28 No.55272709 Report

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>>55272678
>Kieran is one of the like 6 characters in the history of pokemon
The SV group already has 6 characters with their own arcs anon, when you add from previous gens the list is longer than that. Not much longer yeah but still longer

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 00:04:52 No.55272710 Report

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>>55272681
>He deserved better
Unironically. The writers for this series didn't retire they just stopped being able to put their stories in the actual games.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 00:06:41 No.55272720 Report

Quoted By: >>55272932 >>55278468

>>55272678
>My brothers the champion im gonna do that
>gets pwned
>changes his team
>gets pwned
>changes his team
>gets pwned
>decides to be a professor
MY HECKIN CHARACTER AAARRRRCCC

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 00:54:56 No.55272932 Report

Quoted By: >>55273375

>>55272720
People meme about Kieran but he learns to enjoy battles without getting frustrated and grows as a person, other rivals also get btfo but they also keep going on with their lifes (Blue/Green still becomes a respected gym leader, Wally still becomes a strong person, Hugh still saves his sister's pokemon and becomes a decent trainer, Serena still becomes an inheritor of megaevolution...) but Hop literally loses the goal of his lifetime and decides to pursue a completely different career because he will never ever success, it's fucking sad when you think about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 00:56:47 No.55272940 Report

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>>55272621
Avery looks like a massive faggot, the kind that would actually get gay bashed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 02:33:00 No.55273358 Report

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>>55272624
I mean, did SwooShit DLC even had a story at all?
>part 1, old fart gives a legendary pokemon to one student for free, train it and enjoy it lol
>part 2, a hideous legendary who made crops grow forgot it had a horse, go find a horse for it
That's all I remember

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 02:35:59 No.55273375 Report

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>>55272932
it would've been fine if they had given even two shits and hinted that he preferred studying Pokemon to battling and was just forcing himself to battle to be like his brother, but besides being shit at it there's no establishing any of this. So it comes across as the ultimate hop cope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 03:06:04 No.55273528 Report

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>>55272656
So, nothing, basically.
DLC SV characters actually has a fucking character arc over DLC 1 and DLC 2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 03:37:37 No.55273675 Report

Quoted By: >>55274721

>>55272624
Who's Avery?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 03:42:38 No.55273704 Report

Quoted By: >>55275015 >>55275143

>>55272621
Klara is way more popular than either of them if you look at fan art. Avery is shit though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 03:43:39 No.55273708 Report

Quoted By: >>55278028

>>55272624
What does Kieran do besides make the story worse?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 03:45:04 No.55273716 Report

Quoted By: >>55275147 >>55278028

>>55272621
lmao Kieran is FoTM and nobody gives a shit about his uggo sister.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 03:46:18 No.55273724 Report

Quoted By: >>55273734

>>55272621
Kieran is a nice subversion of the asshole rival trope because you're the one that causes it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 03:48:13 No.55273734 Report

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>>55273724
All of Kieran's """problems""" are self made.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 03:52:40 No.55273754 Report

Quoted By: >>55273789 >>55278668

For one, the Teal Mask plot is longer than the Isle of Armor plot. Klara/Avery are also only relevant until Kubfu show up, and never become relevant again until the Star Tournament at the end where they reveal they’re the gym leader now. Meanwhile, Kieran and Carmine are relevant throughout the entirely of the DLC

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 03:53:04 No.55273756 Report

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>Carmine
Because she was written like a doujinshi character.

>Kieran
NTR, the character. He is also one of the very few characters that seems to change and grow over the course of the game/DLC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 03:59:00 No.55273789 Report

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>>55273754
>until the Star Tournament at the end where they reveal they’re the gym leader now

Lmao I never did that shit, I just learned they made it

What a shit game

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 07:36:20 No.55274721 Report

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>>55273675
An unironic tranny

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 07:44:16 No.55274750 Report

Quoted By: >>55275166 >>55275206 >>55278729

>>55272621
No one cares about this shit franchise anymore now that Palworld exists

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 07:46:32 No.55274758 Report

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>>55272621
kieran got an actual character arc with development and shit which nobody has had in a pokemon game since gen 2
carmine is a hot racist jap

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 09:16:21 No.55275015 Report

Quoted By: >>55275129

>>55273704
>Klara
>barely 2k fanart on pixiv, meanwhile Kieran is at 4k
>even on reupload sites that focus on hentai like danbooru and gelbooru she already lost in count
Lol, lmao, even

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 09:57:02 No.55275129 Report

Quoted By: >>55275366

>>55275015
Kieran is basically male Marnie; annoying fanbase of weirdos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 10:01:19 No.55275140 Report

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>>55272693
His daughters have been conditioned by their peers to think parents that don't engage with their children and throw Rotom Phones in front of them is normal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 10:03:52 No.55275143 Report

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>>55273704
I've seen much more fart art of Carmine and Kieran both than Klara

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 10:05:06 No.55275147 Report

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>>55273716
>Kieran is FoTM
Damn it's still september 2023?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 10:08:52 No.55275161 Report

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>>55272621
Klara and Avery were douchebags and version exclusive trainers

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 10:10:08 No.55275166 Report

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>>55274750

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 10:24:19 No.55275206 Report

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>>55274750
You will never be a successful franchise

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 11:14:34 No.55275366 Report

Quoted By: >>55278483

>>55275129
The difference is Kieran actually has a character.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 11:18:49 No.55275378 Report

Quoted By:

>>55272621
>fotms

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 11:34:19 No.55275421 Report

Quoted By:

>>55272621
Shilling and fujos

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 21:40:05 No.55278028 Report

Quoted By:

>>55273708
>>55273716
Kieran is probably the first pokemon character that manages to be more than just a design with a role assigned (ex. gym leader with artwork giving off X personality)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 21:57:52 No.55278113 Report

Quoted By: >>55278458 >>55278468 >>55278497 >>55278628 >>55278655

>>55272621
>I've seen more fan love for these characters than for many main rivals from previous games,
Let's see why
>Carmine has a personality that isn't 1000% dick riding at first sight
>Kieran actually explores the dark side of obsession and self-worth
meanwhile
>Gary/Blue is memorable solely because he has a personality beyond being a dick rider
>Silver isn't memorable because zoomers don't play johto because its too difficult for them
>May/Brendan are dickriders
>Barry is somewhat memorable as an autist but that's it
>Bianca and Cheren are not dickriders but they are (very annoying), nerd and bubbly girl tropes played to a T.
>XY friends are heavy dickriders
>Alola friends are heavy dickriders
>Galar tried, but Hop fell slightly short
>Nemona doesn't have a personality (fuck off shills le battle is not a personality)
So there. It's all about the faucets of personality that we actually do see. It's about the scenarios that trigger different responses on NPC's personality. And for the most part, we don't see much of that in this series before Carmine and Kieran.
It also helps that both of them are somewhat neurotic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 22:16:15 No.55278192 Report

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>>55272621
They have memorable story involvement, a personality, and a good design. Only Klara had the personality and a good design

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:18:18 No.55278458 Report

Quoted By: >>55278557

>>55278113
>Nemona doesn't have a personality
If only they expanded on her terminal illness...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:19:55 No.55278468 Report

Quoted By: >>55278546

>>55278113
>Galar tried, but Hop fell slightly short
It tried? How? Because it did this? >>55272720
He's just as shit as the Kalos & Alola rivals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:20:35 No.55278471 Report

Quoted By:

>>55272621
Man they really need to model better. Kieran looks like he's always wearing a diaper underneath his shorts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:22:33 No.55278483 Report

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>>55275366
If you're you're an obese fujoshit maybe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:24:09 No.55278497 Report

Quoted By: >>55278546 >>55278569

>>55278113
>Carmine has a personality that isn't 1000% dick riding at first sight
>Kieran actually explores the dark side of obsession and self-worth
Lmao SVfags are so fucking delusional. Carmine starts sucking your dick nearly right away and nothing about Kieran is interesting or deep.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:26:21 No.55278512 Report

Quoted By: >>55278652

>>55272621
Carmine is a literal who and Kieran is Raihan 2.0, only popular with fujoshits but will be discarded once the new game comes out. Though ironically Raihan was more popular when SwSh was at its peak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:32:30 No.55278546 Report

Quoted By: >>55278565 >>55278573

>>55278468
Anon you're not anonymous, we've already established that you just don't like Galar and the mere mention of it makes you seethe. Don't post here without doing any research.
>>55278497
Its okay if you didn't play the games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:34:15 No.55278557 Report

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>>55278458
She may look sick but she was exposed to the same radiation as Tomoko from the MegaMan NT Warrior anime.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:35:31 No.55278565 Report

Quoted By: >>55278600 >>55278608

>>55278546
can you answer my question? how did Galar try with Hop?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:36:44 No.55278569 Report

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>>55278497
>Blatantly stated that Nemona doesn't have a personality
>lol SVfag
Anon just go ahead and shill your fav pokemon game so I can shit on it already (because it is indeed shit).
You didn't come here for anything else, why wait?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:37:28 No.55278573 Report

Quoted By: >>55278583

>>55278546
>No argument
Kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:38:49 No.55278583 Report

Quoted By: >>55278586

>>55278573
>Please interact with me! I don't know what we're talking about but please argue!
This isn't the cure for male loneliness. Go outside.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:39:45 No.55278586 Report

Quoted By: >>55278590

>>55278583
Type that without crying fat fujo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:40:33 No.55278590 Report

Quoted By: >>55278630

>>55278586
>Obsessed
>And projecting
No wonder why you don't have friends.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:42:34 No.55278600 Report

Quoted By: >>55278671

>>55278565
tried to go the same route they went with Kieran with him being upset over the constant losses. Decided to end it with "he just gives up and changes careers"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:43:29 No.55278608 Report

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>>55278565
>can you answer my question?
How do you want it answered? What do you want me to say that will help you not remain in an absolute state of seething?
You're not here to get perspective on anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:45:43 No.55278621 Report

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>>55272621
Giving characters some proper character arcs instead of insignificant throwaway lines helped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:46:45 No.55278628 Report

Quoted By: >>55278680

>>55278113
Barry and Nemona have the exact same personality

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:47:02 No.55278630 Report

Quoted By: >>55278642

>>55278590
Struck a nerve?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:48:15 No.55278638 Report

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Last time gamefreak made interesting characters prior to Carmine and Kieran was with SUMO Lusamine and they ruined her with USUM.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:49:07 No.55278642 Report

Quoted By: >>55278715

>>55278630
>Gets mad
>U SO MAD BRO
Anon, the issue is that you haven't done anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:50:32 No.55278652 Report

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>>55278512
The difference is Raihan never had any staying power, he's pretty much just a nice design with no particular character associated, like almost every character in this series
In contrast the SV DLCs put in some work for Kieran, the design being the weaker part of his character. He isn't super well executed or anything, but he is certainly someone you could enjoy from a writing perspective, which is of course what actually contributes to memorability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:50:48 No.55278655 Report

Quoted By: >>55278667

>>55278113
>Wally not even mentioned

Kek fucking fag, rot in victory road forever

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:53:46 No.55278667 Report

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>>55278655
Wally is fine, he does have an arc at least.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:53:46 No.55278668 Report

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>>55273754
>only relevant until Kubfu show up
Didn't Kubfu show up pretty early in Isle of Armor? Or is Isle of Armor just so short it reaches the climax in no time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:55:13 No.55278671 Report

Quoted By: >>55278686

>>55278600
I mean sure, he’s not an emotionless punching bag like the Kalos rivals, but people overrate him like hell & his “arc” is so minimal its still pretty shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:56:50 No.55278680 Report

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>>55278628
>Nemona is devoid of true joy because she's so above everyone else she can never go all out and be true to herself with others so she needs to groom a trainer into the ultimate rival to regain her former enjoyment, she tells you as much and goes as far as calling you "her treasure" for saving her like that
>Barry is your hyperactive childhood friend and he also likes pokemon battles
Yeah bro the exact same personality. Next time try playing the games

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 20 Jan 2024 23:57:52 No.55278686 Report

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>>55278671
>minimal
Nigger who has a good non-minimal arc pre-Kalos besides Silver and Wally?
One that doesn't take 2 fucking games because I already know who you are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 00:04:15 No.55278715 Report

Quoted By: >>55278733 >>55278748

>>55278642
>Still replying.
You stay mad fujo. leave your room too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 00:06:02 No.55278729 Report

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>>55274750
>palworld
It's already forgotten lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 00:06:37 No.55278731 Report

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>still trying to gaslight people into thinking Cuckran is well written.
Lmao.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 00:06:48 No.55278733 Report

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>>55278715
Anon, this is pathetic. What even was your argument since you want attention from a fujo for some reason?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 00:08:14 No.55278742 Report

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They don't suck your cock and tell you how fucking great you are at every second, and they have real depth. First time I've appreciated a rival in a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 21 Jan 2024 00:10:16 No.55278748 Report

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>>55278715
Anon but you initially replied to me
How lonely are you bro? There are hotlines you can call if you're not also a broke bitch.

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