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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 11:38:27 No.55789147 View View Reply Original Report

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>Introduce a brand new mechanic to sell your latest generation
>none of the new pokemon from the generation that introduced can use it at all.
>even though story wise the entire reason the mechanic exists is due to events that happened exclusively in the new region
what the fuck was game freak thinking with mega evolution. I'm glad Z-A can finally fix this blunder.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 11:55:11 No.55789173 Report

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>>55789147
I didn't like it either. It felt "tacked on". Like you described, it should have had more of an effect on the monsters IN the region. Better yet, closer to ground zero.
I can appreciate an ancient timeline-splitting nuke creating a dormant super evolution gene, that was some wacky and interesting lore. But it was disconnected from gameplay in a lot of ways.

Maybe gen 6 suffers from being a media empire first and videogame second. Because whoever had the idea that new charizard EVOLUTION = HYPE didn't communicate very well with the story writers or even the gameplay planners. Megas were busted in-game. They were busted online. They disappointed huge swaths of people (some fans mad their favorites didnt get a mega, some fans mad their favorite DID get one thus dooming them to never getting buffed)

it wasn't well planned out because we still are dealing with the ramifications today. A fractured timeline because they knew retconning megas wasn't worth it so they just multiversed it. People that actually liked the mechanic haven't been able to use it since the 3DS.

desu I hope LegendsAZ involves going back in time rescuing that flabebe, thus retconning megas and the 3DS games out of existence. Problem solved.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 12:00:16 No.55789182 Report

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>>55789147
> none of the new pokemon from the generation that introduced can use it at all.
What’s the last thing in that image?

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 12:04:16 No.55789191 Report

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>>55789182
Not OP but gen 6+ Mythicals feel so forgettable. I forget Diancie exists sometimes too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 12:04:21 No.55789192 Report

Quoted By: >>55789204 >>55789380

>>55789182
A mythical pokemon that was released a year later through a limited time distribution that was not accessible to all players, and whose mega evolution was only accessible in the ORAS remakes.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 12:12:29 No.55789204 Report

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>>55789192
So it was introduced in the same generation

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 12:14:26 No.55789207 Report

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>>55789204
Sure it was. But it wasn't an option when you were playing through either ORAS or X & Y for the first time. It might as well have not existed at all for most players, meaning your only real option for Megas were older pokemon.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 12:30:10 No.55789237 Report

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>>55789147
>all Pokemon can use abilities
>all Pokemon can participate in doubles, rotations, triples, inverses, battle royales, raids
>all Pokemon can do contests, musicals, Pokestar, Amie, photo shoots
>all Pokemon can walk behind you
>all Pokemon can use gems
>vast majority of Pokemon get Hidden Abilities
>all Pokemon can use Z-moves
>Pokemon not named Zacian, Zamazenta, and Eternatus can Dynamax
>all Pokemon can Terastallize

>only a handful of Pokemon can Mega Evolve
>Mega Evolution is the most popular

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 13:17:00 No.55789358 Report

Quoted By: >>55789364 >>55789410

>>55789147
story wise there’s no such thing as “new pokemon” retard

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 13:17:58 No.55789364 Report

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>>55789358
that makes it even worse. You're telling me that 2000 years ago, the ancient weapons energies didn't hit a single Kalosian pokemon?

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 13:20:16 No.55789372 Report

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>>55789364
All the Pokemon in the OP are “Kalosian Pokemon” retard

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 13:22:01 No.55789376 Report

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>>55789147
>none of the new pokemon from the generation that introduced can use it at all.
Aside from that one.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 13:23:01 No.55789380 Report

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>>55789192
>>55789207
So, the goal post moved.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 13:26:55 No.55789388 Report

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>>55789147
>entire point of the mechanic to put a new spin on old recognizable designs
>WTF WHY DIDN’T THEY WASTE TIME GIVING IT TO DESIGNS THAT ARE ALREADY NEW??? I HAVE CRIPPLING AUTISM SO I CANT USE OLD POKEMON!!

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 13:33:24 No.55789405 Report

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>>55789380
>>55789376
The goal post has not moved. Diancie is a new pokemon that can use the ability, but as I explained previously it was prohibitively inaccessible to most players so it might as well have not existed to them. The point I'm making is that in new generations past Gen 6, many new pokemon can use the gimmick that gets introduced, even through your first playthrough.
>Any pokemon can use Z Moves
>Any pokemon can Dynamax, and SWSH introduced new pokemon and gave them Gigantamax forms, including the starters in addition to the old designs getting Gmax forms
>any pokemon can Tera
X/Y and ORAS relegated the gimmick entirely to older pokemon almost exclusively. Gen 6 starters and notable Gen 6 pokemon like Goodra should have gotten Mega forms so they didn't get overshadowed by Mega Lucario and the Mega Kanto Starters in your initial playthrough.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 13:36:37 No.55789410 Report

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>>55789358
There are several Pokèmon in universe that are said to be newly discovered, retard.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 13:39:10 No.55789420 Report

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>>55789410
And none of them are the pokemon OP is whining about not getting megas.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 14:01:11 No.55789486 Report

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>>55789388
Unironically this. In comparison look at how they treated Gigantamax: In addition to being exclusively Kanto Pandering (with exceptions exclusively for Melmetal and Garbodor), the remaining forms went to new Galar pokemon. And now that Gigantamax is a dead gimmick and they've moved on to tera, those extra form designs are basically wasted now, and many of the Gen 8 Pokemon who were clearly made with their Gigantamax Forms as part of their design are left feeling incomplete; No more UFO Orbeetle, tornado Sandaconda, heating coil Centiscorch, etc.

At the time I kinda understand why people complained about Kalos mons not getting mega evos, but in hindsight now that we know these gimmicks will eventually be abandoned and only occasionally revisited in side games, i'm glad Megas were mostly limited to putting a cool spin on an old design.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 14:54:49 No.55789707 Report

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>Give shitmon a mega
>Its been dogshit useless since gen 8
Megas were a mistake. I just want my bro Mawile to be usable without relying on a gimmick form.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 14:55:59 No.55789713 Report

Quoted By: >>55789725

>>55789147
>>Introduce a brand new mechanic to sell your latest generation
It wasn't. Megas were a mainstay.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 14:56:57 No.55789720 Report

Quoted By: >>55789726

>>55789486
Considering they gave Applin and Duraludon evos in gen 9 that are clearly remnants of their gmaxes its clear they knew they fucked up. Same can't be said for mons who relied heavily on their mega to give them a purpose.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 14:58:10 No.55789725 Report

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>>55789713
Where do I get megas in Swsh,Bdsp,Pla and and SV?

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 14:58:12 No.55789726 Report

Quoted By: >>55789740 >>55789742

>>55789720
>Same can't be said for mons who relied heavily on their mega to give them a purpose.
Probably because unlike GMAX, Megas aren't really gimmicks so they can just bring them back whenever.
Not any different from getting locked out of using your bro in BDSP or PLA.

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 15:01:35 No.55789740 Report

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>>55789726
Megas are a gimmick since lets go was the last game with them and it was only the kanto ones. Meaning most of rhe others haven't been seem since usum

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 15:02:02 No.55789742 Report

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>>55789726
> Megas aren't really gimmicks
Coping retarf

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Anonymous Thu 25 Apr 2024 15:20:14 No.55789806 Report

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>>55789147
This should have been a regular evolution. Same with houndoom, medicham, mawile. I will never forgive them

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