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Chomp and TTar

Anonymous Tue 27 Aug 2024 23:22:14 No.56374720 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>56374732 >>56374749 >>56375270 >>56375351

Out of all of the Pokemon that people whine about having been powercrept, these two are by far the most common. Can anyone give a reason as to why they deserve to be buffed that doesn't boil down to one of three things:
>It was OU for a long time so it deserves to be OU forever
>I grew up with it and I really like it
>I hate nu-gen mons

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Aug 2024 23:27:12 No.56374732 Report

Quoted By: >>56374848 >>56375324

>>56374720
>ttar
Bro got fucking gutted by the removal of Pursuit, and hasn't gotten anything worthwhile in return.
>Chomp
This is just because he's cool and should be buffed, but it probably is something to do with him being the first pokemon that isn't a box legend or mythical banned for being too powerful.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Aug 2024 23:30:01 No.56374749 Report

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>>56374720
that garchomp reminds me of skelidirge

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 27 Aug 2024 23:52:54 No.56374848 Report

Quoted By: >>56375304

>>56374732
>TTar
It got Knock Off, one of the best moves in the game, upgrading its physical and mixed sets. You have to remember that due to its awful defensive typing it’s uniquely vulnerable to powercreep as each generation introduces a plethora of ways to hit it SE. Some anon a while back wrote this analysis that I think captures TTar’s situation perfectly.
>TTar suffers from a laughably bad defensive typing, as new Pokémon get introduced each generation, it’s amount of checks increases exponentially, NatDex is a good example of this and I’d argue that Dexcut is now helping it after Exca came back, or else it would only have even more checks. It’s not going to be OU in Gen 10, if it gets lucky it might be UUBL but probably not. Even if you take away the Paradoxes, you still have several new adversaries introduced, from disgusting Earthquake spammers like Ting-Lu and Garg, as well as Earth Powers from Enamorus and Glimmora, brutal Steel STAB from the likes of Kingambit and Gholdengo, Body Press spammers like D*ndozo and Garg (in addition to Corv and Z*mazenta from last gen) fast Low Kicks and U-Turns from C*nderace and Meow, fast Water and Grass stab from Waterpon, Samu-H, and the chimp, the list goes on, it’s not going to survive forever and Gen 10 will only introduce new ways of attacking TTar. Tera uniquely hurt it, sure, but acting like it’s guaranteed to rise to OU when it’s gone is laughable.
>Chomp
People keep saying that all it needs is Dragon Dance but Gouging Fire is a better DD sweeper and Kyurem is a better Loaded Dice user. It’s just simply outclassed and nothing short of bringing back Mega Evolution would bring it back to OU. Plus we have a bunch of fast Fairy types running around in addition to more fast Ice coverage in Darkrai and Meow whereas previously it only had to worry about Weavile. The steel birds are still around to wall it as well. Roaring Moon also beats the shit out of it or forces Tera. The two mons are just old now

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Aug 2024 02:21:33 No.56375270 Report

Quoted By: >>56375304

>>56374720
Booster energy powercrept the fuck out of Chomp, sure, but TTar was nerfed hard in gen 8. Pursuit was one of its best tools in singles. Ghosts were buffed hard enough in gen 6 with the steel nerf. They didn't need another huge buff.

Bring back pursuit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Aug 2024 02:35:16 No.56375304 Report

Quoted By: >>56375320

>>56375270
Pursuit is the ultimate cheap shot move, it allowed TTar to force good matchups. The move hard carried TTar and once it lost it, that meant it begin to have to face its staggering amount of checks head on. TTar is little without Pursuit, see >>56374848

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Aug 2024 02:39:55 No.56375320 Report

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>>56375304
>it allowed TTar to force good matchups
Considering how shit Ttar's defensive typing is, the ability to force good match-ups is actually balanced on it, They could easier bring the move back and make it its signature move and the meta would probably be better for it since it would keep ghost types on their toes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Aug 2024 02:41:08 No.56375324 Report

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>>56374732
>Bro got fucking gutted by the removal of Pursuit
you don’t play the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Aug 2024 02:51:01 No.56375351 Report

Quoted By: >>56376507

>>56374720
The problem isn't that Garchomp needs a buff. The problem is that some of the new Pokemon are just excessively fast. Best examples are Dragapult, Regieleki, and Calyrex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 28 Aug 2024 12:03:08 No.56376507 Report

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>>56375351
Calyrex-Shadow is a DLC shitpost that has more issues than just it’s speed, while Regieleki’s sole draw is its speed. Within the context of their respective tiers, they were balanced, but Tera made them even more broken than they already were, and in the case of Calyrex-S, it lost its best checks in Yvetal and Obstagoon. If Dragapult is causing you issues, you just suck at the game, throw a Paradox at it.

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