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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 02:49:28 No.56414752 View View Reply Original Report

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ITT: The most baffling design decisions in the franchise.

>not giving the Kalos starters their own game’s gimmick of Mega Evolution and instead giving it to the Kanto starters and Blaziken

They did the same thing in Sw/Sh but at least they eventually gave the Galar trio Gigantimax forms. And once again fucking Charizard got the gimmick form before the actual region’s starters did.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 02:51:20 No.56414757 Report

Quoted By: >>56414760

>>56414752
GF hates Kalos

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 02:52:26 No.56414760 Report

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>>56414757
then why did they make it?

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 02:52:51 No.56414763 Report

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>>56414752
It's a BW's fault, Masuda suddenly went anti previous regions and pissed off everyone then flip flopped the complete opposite way and gave KANTO everything instead of just staying in the middle like not retarded person would

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 02:53:44 No.56414765 Report

Quoted By: >>56414774 >>56414803 >>56414805 >>56415063 >>56415283 >>56415731 >>56415996 >>56416076 >>56416124 >>56416709 >>56418290 >>56418622

I hate this argument

Why the FUCK would you give already new Pokémon megas retard, they are NEW that is already the fucking novelty

That’s like introducing a Gen7 Pokémon like say Incineroar and complaining it didn’t get a regional variant. That’s what you sound like

Stop being so fucking retarded holy shit. They were NEW

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 02:58:07 No.56414774 Report

Quoted By: >>56414802

>>56414765
>they were NEW

And? Can your brain not handle two new things simultaneously? They gave Gigantimax forms to new Pokemon in Sw/Sh, I don’t recall anyone crying over it.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:10:39 No.56414800 Report

Quoted By: >>56414803 >>56414805 >>56416055

>>56414752
Nothing about that is baffling. The whole point of megas is to put new spins on older more recognizable Pokemon, dumbfuck.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:12:03 No.56414802 Report

Quoted By: >>56414810 >>56414939 >>56416105

>>56414774
>And?
And it's objectively worse than simply giving Megas to old Pokemon. You haven't actually explained how giving Megas to new Pokemon is inherently better beyond "I'm jealous kanto got attention"

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:12:14 No.56414803 Report

Quoted By: >>56414806

>>56414800
>>56414765
Why did Galar starters get G max forms?

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:12:38 No.56414805 Report

Quoted By: >>56414806

>>56414800
>>56414765
Samefag

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:13:20 No.56414806 Report

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>>56414805
Strange cope, but ok

>>56414803
Because the purpose of Dynamax isn't to update old Pokemon.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:13:57 No.56414808 Report

Quoted By: >>56414813

>>56414752
>>56414752
People were mad at the lack of KANTOOOOO in Unova so they gave the kanto starters megas instead of the kalos ones
At least the ashime frog got an alternative form

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:14:45 No.56414810 Report

Quoted By: >>56414815

>>56414802
>states that something is “objectively worse” based on nothing but his opinion
>demands evidence from others for their opinion

Lol, lmao. I say that

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:15:28 No.56414813 Report

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>>56414808
>At least the ashime frog got an alternative form

Narutofrog got the form because Ass is from KANTOOOOO

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:15:46 No.56414814 Report

Quoted By: >>56414820

>>56414806
We all have 4chan X. Strange cope, but okay.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:15:47 No.56414815 Report

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>>56414810
>give mega to old pokemon
>you get something new plus the excitement of a popular old pokemon getting remixed
>give mega to new pokemon
>you get something new and literally nothing else

Nothing about this is hard to understand.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:16:38 No.56414820 Report

Quoted By: >>56414829

>>56414814
Just admit more than one person thinks you’re a retard, I’d have more respect for you if you did

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:17:33 No.56414824 Report

Quoted By: >>56414834

>>56414752
yeah it was really baffling how game freak made the new pokemon stand on their own instead of artificially making them shit on purpose just to give them gimmick forms to buff them

what were they thinking!?!?

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:18:08 No.56414826 Report

Quoted By: >>56414833

>>56414815
>> >you get something new and literally nothing else

>Nothing about this is hard to understand.

No, retards like you are quite easy to understand. “Literally nothing else”. You’re getting two new things. Two is more than one. That isn’t “literally nothing else”.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:19:09 No.56414829 Report

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>>56414820
Why would I care about a samefagger’s respect?

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:19:41 No.56414833 Report

Quoted By: >>56414841 >>56414866

>>56414826
>You’re getting two new things
If I get Greninja and Mega Blastoise I get two new things + the excitement of a popular old pokemon getting remixed
If I get Mega Greninja and Greninja I get two new things and literally nothing else

You aren't very smart, are you?

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:20:10 No.56414834 Report

Quoted By: >>56414836 >>56414871

>>56414824
Yeah, like how they made all of the Pokemon they gave Megas weaker. Oh wait, that didn’t happen.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:20:52 No.56414836 Report

Quoted By: >>56414844

>>56414834
>Oh wait, that didn’t happen
Yeah, because they already existed before Megas.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:22:59 No.56414841 Report

Quoted By: >>56414849

>>56414833
If you’re counting your own sibjective excitement as a bonus, then there’s no reason why someone else’s subjective excitement at getting a new form for the Pokemon they played X and Y with can’t count as a bonus as well

You aren’t very smart, are you?

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:24:00 No.56414844 Report

Quoted By: >>56414849

>>56414836
And they’d need to change that for new Pokemon because…?

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:26:02 No.56414849 Report

Quoted By: >>56414865 >>56414866

>>56414841
You also play XY with Blastoise. You're not very smart, are you?

>>56414844
Because they're designed at the same time as Megas, so even subconsciously they'll keep the Mega in mind while designing new Pokemon.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:30:34 No.56414865 Report

Quoted By: >>56414881

>>56414849
>You also play XY with Blastoise.
Not even close to a refutation of my point. You can have subjective excitement from a new form for him or for the Kalos starters.

> Because they're designed at the same time as Megas, so even subconsciously they'll keep the Mega in mind while designing new Pokemon.
Not necessarily. They can just give them similar stats as past starters, it’s not hard. The megas could even be given at the end of the game.

I won’t ask if you’re smart or not because I have my answer.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:30:35 No.56414866 Report

Quoted By: >>56414881

>>56414815
>you get something new and literally nothing else
But you get an option to use your brand new Pokemon in a new way. That's like saying you shouldn't be able to pet the new Pokemon in Amie, or you shouldn't give the new Pokemon 3D models, it's fucking stupid. Hell, people were confused about Gen 5 Pokemon not getting a Mega until ORAS, so while recency might be a reason for GF it's a fucking stupid one.
>>56414833
What if Greninja is your new favorite Pokemon, wouldn't it getting a Mega be a nice bonus? Hell, Incineroar had the Z-Move that game in the same game it launched with feature in Super Smash Bros., that's definitely a benefit. Greninja had to wait until Ultimate to get anything, on the other hand.
>>56414849
>so even subconsciously they'll keep the Mega in mind while designing new Pokemon.
That would probably really only effect the character design, given how Galar Gigantamax Pokemon are, and how every later gimmick seems to have been implemented just fine on every Pokemon. This is especially true with how starter design is pretty codified, and the exploration of Hidden Abilities and indeed the Megas of the Kanto starters would have given them plenty of practice with deviating from normal starter Pokemon design. It's not trivial or anything, but I wouldn't say it's harder than implementing most of the other Megas. That is assuming the development of the game went smoothly, which compared to the disaster SM very clearly was XY turned out basically fine even if very surface level overall.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:31:24 No.56414871 Report

Quoted By: >>56414875

>>56414834
You're right, it's just a coincidence Duraludon and Applin had to get new evolutions the first fucking gen after they were introduced. They definitely didn't suffer because GF designed them in tandem with gimmick forms.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:33:02 No.56414875 Report

Quoted By: >>56414886

>>56414871
Because shitmons have never existed before or since. It must be those darn gimmicks!

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:34:21 No.56414881 Report

Quoted By: >>56414899 >>56415081

>>56414865
>Not even close to a refutation of my point
Yes it is. Why are you pretending somehow I can only play XY with Greninja but not Blastoise?

You lose literally nothing by giving Blastoise a Mega. You lose the excitement of an old Pokemon getting remixed/buffed by giving Greninja a Mega instead.

>Not necessarily
Yes necessarily.

won’t ask if you’re smart or not because I have my answer.

>>56414866
>But you get an option to use your brand new Pokemon in a new way
The fact that it's the first game that it exists means I'm already using it a new way. Meanwhile if GF follows your retarded suggestion I'm missing out on using old Pokemon in a new way. You gain literally nothing from giving Megas to new Pokemon over old Pokemon.

>What if Greninja is your new favorite Pokemon
Then I'll be glad they made it as is instead of making it shit on purpose so it can be designed around a gimmick form instead. Also what if Blastoise is my old favorite Pokemon?

>That would probably really only effect the character design,
I'm glad you agree the new Pokemon would be worse and there's literally no reason to give Megas to new Pokemon.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:35:37 No.56414886 Report

Quoted By: >>56414899

>>56414875
>It must be those darn gimmicks!
Correct. I'm glad we agree.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:36:21 No.56414890 Report

Quoted By: >>56415239 >>56419714

Anti-mega fags got BTFO’d hard ITT. I’ll think of them when the Kalos trio gets megas in Z-A. ;)

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:37:41 No.56414897 Report

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>>56414752
I consider this one of the best gens for starter designs honestly.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:37:42 No.56414898 Report

Quoted By: >>56414903 >>56415302

Since OP got outed as a retard, I'll start the thread.

It was baffling how Gen 5 was themed around uniting things together and hinted at Zekrom and Reshiram being fused together, but never had the original dragon actually be obtainable.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:37:48 No.56414899 Report

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>>56414886
>>56414881
Did’t read, you lost.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:38:57 No.56414903 Report

Quoted By: >>56414908

>>56414898
Actually I handily refuted all of their attempts with a smile and a chuckle. Sorry that you got confused.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:40:08 No.56414908 Report

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>>56414903
lil bro this thread is nearly 40 posts in and you haven't explained a single time how giving Megas to new Pokemon is magically better than giving them to old Pokemon. It's safe to say you lost.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:40:26 No.56414910 Report

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Closing tab now. You all lost.

>b-but I need the last word
Feel free to talk to yourself lol, I’ll never hear it

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:47:21 No.56414939 Report

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>>56414802
>objectively
Your family wishes youd kill yourself already.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:50:07 No.56414949 Report

Quoted By: >>56414959

Oh, and be sure to get this thread to 500 replies of seethe that I’ll never read. Your master commands you.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 03:53:24 No.56414959 Report

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>>56414949
>closing tab now
So that was a lie.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 04:38:19 No.56415063 Report

Quoted By: >>56415073

>>56414765
yeah but Megas were about having a crazy strong bond with your mon (at first) so why wouldn't you get that with your starter?
why would they even make new starters knowing you would box them for the Kanto starters and Blaziken with Megas?
I had to. I picked Chespin cause I thought it was cute, the second it evolved I felt sick and had to stash it away and forget about it. instead i used Charizard.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 04:45:31 No.56415073 Report

Quoted By: >>56415084 >>56415131

>>56415063
>I boxed my starter
>that means everyone else did the exact same thing as me for the exact same reasons
You can choose to stop being like this, but you probably won't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 04:51:09 No.56415081 Report

Quoted By: >>56415750

>>56414881
>You gain literally nothing from giving Megas to new Pokemon over old Pokemon.
You get a Mega Pokemon that could have a different design philosophy and a different niche. Or do you assume every Pokemon is the exact same?
>Then I'll be glad they made it as is instead of making it shit on purpose so it can be designed around a gimmick form instead.
I mean it got one eventually anyway so I guess the point is moot.
>I'm glad you agree the new Pokemon would be worse and there's literally no reason to give Megas to new Pokemon.
No, we just agree that there's a character design impact. We could argue similar things about how Megas for old Pokemon are, or cross gen evolutions before that. People still fucking hate Rhyperior as an example. But yeah, if we're just talking character design you could have a design feeling "incomplete" but given most Megas feel unnecessary from a design department the variety would be nice. It would also have given them an excuse not to drop megas but Ohmori is a fucking hack. Mechanically it really depends. Could be hot garbage or absolutely broken, who knows? Same with the hidden abilities they already have.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 04:53:33 No.56415084 Report

Quoted By: >>56415113

>>56415073
Don't bother, after years of Yawnfag playing like a retarded child and then complaining the games are too easy there's no helping people like that

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 05:22:41 No.56415113 Report

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>>56415084
>eceleb obsesser
You're just as autistic as he is.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 05:34:40 No.56415131 Report

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>>56415073
it's by design to box your starter bro, cause they evolve into furrybait and Sycamore gives you a based Kanto starter with a mega to replace them ASAP.
it's brilliant really. Gen 6 gave the Kalos starters to groom little kids into furries to get them ready for what's coming later, but also the Kanto starters to keep the old fans satisfied knowing only Mega Charizard could mitigate the sheer cringe of Fairy type.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 05:41:32 No.56415144 Report

Quoted By: >>56415273

>>56414752
>cucked out of mega evolutions
>cucked out of signature moves
>cucked out of dynamax forms
>cucked out of regional forms
>chucked out of being a shitsui starter
>cucked out of good remakes

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 06:27:44 No.56415222 Report

Quoted By: >>56415244 >>56415278 >>56415298

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 06:43:11 No.56415239 Report

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>>56414890
>12.5% female

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 06:45:06 No.56415244 Report

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>>56415222
Wonder why all the galar starters got G-Max forms

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 06:46:05 No.56415245 Report

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>>56414752
the entirety of gen 2

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 07:01:19 No.56415273 Report

Quoted By: >>56415796

>>56415144
All true, but the Hisui one isn’t really an issue because they’re all wild mons in Hisui.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 07:03:40 No.56415278 Report

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>>56415222
Bad analogy. It would actually be equivalent to introducing incineroar and not giving him a unique Z move. Except they did give the Alola starters unique Z moves.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 07:06:24 No.56415283 Report

Quoted By: >>56415290 >>56415294

>>56414765
The gen 7 starters all got Z-moves retard.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 07:09:09 No.56415290 Report

Quoted By: >>56415307 >>56415757

>>56415283
No they didn’t , olay the games retard

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 07:10:32 No.56415294 Report

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>>56415283
We don’t sign our posts here

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 07:11:21 No.56415297 Report

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>>56414760
They thought it was a good idea. Then the Paris Syndrome settle in.
Which is a shame. Zygarde stayed without a game for a long time. But maybe now we will have a chance for the starters to get a Mega, and Zygarde to be a freaking giant.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 07:11:45 No.56415298 Report

Quoted By: >>56415756

>>56415222
Here's why
OP is talking about the starters
Since the starter Pokemon is the only Pokemon the player is guaranteed to have and the one the player likely has the most investment and attachment to, they are therefore the best candidate to demonstrate the gimmick of their respective generation
It would be far more natural than what gen 6 does where the game just shoves a free mega Lucario onto your team
On top of that about half of the starters from gens 6 and 7 are fucking shitmons who probably needed to have mega forms to not be shitmons, meanwhile they gave megas to tyranitar, metagross, gyarados, alakazam, gengar, garchomp etc who absolutely did not need them (well, maybe gengar did after it lost Levitate, but you get the picture) and some of which didn't even bother using them because the mega form was worse or less useful in some way

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 07:13:02 No.56415302 Report

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>>56414898
They can no longer be glued together. Kyurem is the empty shell of what was left of Zekrom and Reshiram's original form. The fact that they represent Taoism in itself implies the very idea of the two being together ever is a paradox. Its a god that somehow existed, as Kyurem proves it, but it's paradoxical to what reality presents.
BW has a lot of this shit, the Entralink in itself is a place that connects worlds and even turns dreams into reality. I'd bargain that domain was made by the Tao God. The tree in the center is a remnant of it's original aspect, but that's just speculation.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 07:14:44 No.56415307 Report

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>>56415290
https://youtu.be/xguGMeEWhhs

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 11:21:52 No.56415731 Report

Quoted By: >>56415738 >>56415759

>>56414765
>Mega evolution is exclusive to Kalos
>None of the Pokemon exclusive to Kalos are capable of mega evolving
Imagine if none of the Pokemon from Johto had genders

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 11:29:42 No.56415738 Report

Quoted By: >>56415762

>>56415731
>Mega evolution is exclusive to Kalos
>None of the Pokemon exclusive to Kalos are capable of mega evolving
yeah? and? you didn’t actually explain where the issue is

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 11:34:15 No.56415750 Report

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>>56415081
> You get a Mega Pokemon that could have a different design philosophy and a different niche
This already happens when you give it to old Pokemon.
>I mean it got one eventually anyway
No it didn’t.
> No, we just agree that there's a character design impact
That makes the design worse, yes.
> We could argue similar things about how Megas for old Pokemon are, or cross gen evolutions before that
No, we actually can’t, because old Pokemon weren’t designed with Megas in mind. The designers didn’t think about Rhydon turning into a construction worker jobmon when they designed it. They designed it to stand on its own.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 11:35:52 No.56415756 Report

Quoted By: >>56416089

>>56415298
> Since the starter Pokemon is the only Pokemon the player is guaranteed to have
You’re also guaranteed to have the Kanto starters, which get Megas. So where’s the issue?

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 11:36:33 No.56415757 Report

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>>56415290
>https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sinister_Arrow_Raid_(move)
>https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Malicious_Moonsault_(move)
>https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Oceanic_Operetta_(move)

How about (You) play the game.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 11:37:43 No.56415759 Report

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>>56415731
>Mega evolution is exclusive to Kalos
It's not.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 11:38:28 No.56415762 Report

Quoted By: >>56415769

>>56415738
How did they discover mega evolution of none of the Pokemon could mega evolve?

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 11:40:46 No.56415769 Report

Quoted By: >>56415793

>>56415762
Plenty of the Pokemon Mega Evolve. What the fuck are you talking about?

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 11:54:30 No.56415783 Report

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OP here. Good job keeping the thread up as I told you, but you’ve still got a ways to go ;)

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 12:00:04 No.56415793 Report

Quoted By: >>56415794

>>56415769
Only foreign Pokemon Mega Evolve, none of the native Kalos Pokemon Mega Evolve

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 12:00:38 No.56415794 Report

Quoted By: >>56415820

>>56415793
>Only foreign Pokemon Mega Evolve
None of the Pokemon in XY that Mega Evolve are foreign. They're all catchable in the game. What the fuck are you talking about?

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 12:01:31 No.56415796 Report

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>>56415273
still lame, i want something for infernape not gay shit from a different region

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 12:20:01 No.56415820 Report

Quoted By: >>56415825

>>56415794
None of them originated from there, considering that they were all previously discovered elsewhere

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 12:21:50 No.56415825 Report

Quoted By: >>56415855

>>56415820
>None of them originated from there,
So?

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 12:44:02 No.56415855 Report

Quoted By: >>56415860

>>56415825
So mega evolution couldn't have originated from Kalos if only non-Kalos Pokemon can do it

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 12:48:03 No.56415860 Report

Quoted By: >>56415869

>>56415855
There aren't any non-Kalos Pokemon that get it except Latios and Latias. You alright schizo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 12:52:57 No.56415869 Report

Quoted By: >>56415873

>>56415860
They're non-Kalos because they didn't originate from Kalos

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 12:54:58 No.56415873 Report

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>>56415869
That's not how it works.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 13:53:04 No.56415996 Report

Quoted By: >>56416037

>>56414765
>Why the FUCK would you give already new Pokémon megas retard, they are NEW that is already the fucking novelty

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:13:31 No.56416037 Report

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>>56415996
>movie shill mega that fucking no one remembers
thanks for proving his point

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:18:59 No.56416055 Report

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>>56414752
Like >>56414800 said, the purpose of Mega was to improve things that already existed. New pokémon didn't need updates.
If was once the dexcut happened and battle gimmicks became "one generation only" that the philosophy changed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:25:48 No.56416076 Report

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>>56414765
Regionals were not the only Gen VII gimmick. Every alolan starter got exclusive Z-moves of their own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:29:28 No.56416084 Report

Quoted By: >>56416087

>>56414752
Removing Return and Frustration, without introducing a suitable replacement, was one of the dumbest decisions GF has ever made.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:30:20 No.56416087 Report

Quoted By: >>56416125

>>56416084
There are suitable replacements though. You just don’t want to use them.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:31:38 No.56416089 Report

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>>56415756
Is it not a bad look if the starters for the current generation are outshined by the older ones (especially KANTOOOOOO ones)? Doubly so since Mega Evolution, as previously mentioned, is/was about the bond between the trainer and their pokemon? Your character doesn't bond enough with their very first pokemon to unlock some higher power, but they do with a Lucario or Kanto-approved starters that are just handed to them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:39:18 No.56416105 Report

Quoted By: >>56416110

>>56414802
You're acting like megas are this big honor, instead of a marketing gimmick, when Audino and Diancie got one while Empoleon didn't.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:40:41 No.56416109 Report

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>>56414815
>>you get something new
Oh look, he got it.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:41:19 No.56416110 Report

Quoted By: >>56416122

>>56416105
they’re literally super saiyan shill forms

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:42:20 No.56416113 Report

Quoted By: >>56416121

>>56414815
>Y-YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, I WANT LESS CONTENT
>KALOS IS NOT A SHAFTED REGION BTW

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:45:47 No.56416121 Report

Quoted By: >>56416126

>>56416113
I literally explained to you how giving megas to old Pokemon is MORE content, you dumbfuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:45:55 No.56416122 Report

Quoted By: >>56416124 >>56416127

>>56416110
Yes, bro. That's the point. Why Game Freak would not give the Kalos starters Megas of their own, in the gen they were introduced no less, if they wanted them to be popular and successful? Megas are an instant win button in every sense. The Pokémon gets more viable, it gets more popular, fans see it in a better light...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:46:55 No.56416124 Report

Quoted By:

>>56416122
>>56414765

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:46:56 No.56416125 Report

Quoted By:

>>56416087
Such as? What should I use on my Stoutland in lieu of Return?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:47:41 No.56416126 Report

Quoted By: >>56416135

>>56416121
>New pokémon and old pokémon can't get megas at the same time because... B-Because they can't, ok?!
Cry harder

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:47:58 No.56416127 Report

Quoted By:

>>56416122
ah, I’m dumb and didn’t read the reply chain. i dislike that kalos was shafted in its gen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:48:56 No.56416131 Report

Quoted By:

Yawnfag is losing more and more track of his own arguments, you love to see it.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 14:50:05 No.56416135 Report

Quoted By: >>56416459

>>56416126
Because there’s literally no benefit to giving new Pokemon Megas. They already have appeal from being new. Adding a Mega on top of that is just diminishing returns.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 16:50:09 No.56416459 Report

Quoted By:

>>56416135
It's a way to keep them relevant after their generation ends
just look at where we're at now. Delphox and Chesnaught are laughingstocks and Greninja is only hanging on because of Smash ever since it lost the Ash Greninja form (and speaking of, if all three starters got something like Ash Greninja, them not having Megas would be excusable)
A lot of Pokemon that lost their megas are the same way of course, no one's batting an eye at Glalie or Aerodactyl anymore
Powercreep insurance is a necessity these days

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 16:51:26 No.56416464 Report

Quoted By:

>>56414752
We'll get their megas in the new legends game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 17:04:51 No.56416506 Report

Quoted By:

It's gay that GF had no faith in their audience to not sperg out over the lack of KANTOOOO to allow the new starters mega evolutions when it makes so much more sense for the professor to give you a mega stone isntead of CHARIZARRRDDDD!! It's 90's nostalgia fags faults and I die on this hill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 17:24:57 No.56416575 Report

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>>56414752
Mega evolution was most likely intended as a way to bring attention to old Pokemon like regional variants and Paradoxes rather than something for both old and new Pokemon the way Z-moves and Gigantamax are, but they wanted to show it off with starters so they picked Kanto starters because they're the default starters that aren't the ones from the most recent generation. The stupid thing is having the Kanto starters to show off megas and then having the free mega Lucario to show off megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 17:26:27 No.56416583 Report

Quoted By: >>56416628 >>56416779

>the thread is 100 posts in and not a single person has explained how there’s any advantage to giving new pokemon megas

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 17:37:54 No.56416628 Report

Quoted By: >>56416640

>>56416583
Copying so many things from KANTOOO pretty much works against Kalos having any kind of distinct identity. Pretty much every character is solely defined by their hobby, from the rivals ("I like battling/having fun/catching/dancing!") to the gym leaders to even the Champion. The only characters with remotely any depth are Sycamore and Lysandre, and even they aren't particularly compelling. The plot is also really forgettable, despite trying to be "deep" like gen 5's (which wasn't great either but at least it was competent for pokemon standards), and pretty much any elements of interest (like AZ or the war 3000 years ago) are sidelined
>It's also easy. Like really, really fucking easy. Every trainer has limited pokemon just like gen 5 except now you have the broken exp share and amie to easily become overleved and sweep everything. The trainer's team composition and AI also sucked compared to previous games, or even gen 7. This means that even if you don't overlevel yourself (which takes conscious effort, since the game is deliberately rigged in your favor), it's still easy compared to previous installments or SM/USUM. It also means that there are no Whitneys, there are no Cynthias, no Ghetsis, no memorable challenge at all which makes these already-vapid characters even more forgettable.
>Also XY got cucked out of a third version, which means these issues will never get fixed until its remakes like ten years from now.

It's telling that you can't even get all the megas, a feature introduced in kalos canonically, in the games that actually take place in fucking kalos. You have to play ORAS, which pretty much become gen 6's surrogate upper versions except they're equally as unpolished, just in different ways

tl;dr gen 6 was a rushed clusterfuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 17:41:21 No.56416640 Report

Quoted By:

>>56416628
> Copying so many things from KANTOOO pretty much works against Kalos having any kind of distinct identity
Woah, Kanto had Megas? Can you show me them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 18:02:16 No.56416709 Report

Quoted By: >>56416761

>>56414765
People forget that megas were designed to be made for pre-existing Pokemon. The whole point was a new spin on old favorites

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 18:13:18 No.56416742 Report

Quoted By: >>56416782

the lack of megas for kalosmons and stupidly huge dex is the reason why gen 6 pokemon are forgotten
outside of your starter and free legendary the game makes no effort to push you towards the new roster. there's no draw to them. if you're not going out of your way to use gen 6 pokemon you're probably not going to have any.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 18:18:41 No.56416761 Report

Quoted By: >>56416763

>>56416709
but then why do they have lore that implies they could literally go to any mon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 18:19:38 No.56416763 Report

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>>56416761
Nothing about the way they distributed megas contradicts that.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 18:21:05 No.56416770 Report

Quoted By: >>56416781

whhy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 18:24:28 No.56416779 Report

Quoted By: >>56416800

>>56416583
Designing new Pokémon with Meags in mind would just make ther base forms incomplete. Look at the new Pokémon that got G-Max forms; their base deisgns were all 'held back' and the true design was saved for the G-Max form. It's shit. Whereas by only giving Megas to old Pokémon, you get to improve already 'complete' designs by adding spikes

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 18:25:23 No.56416781 Report

Quoted By:

>>56416770
no uggo shiny

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 18:25:33 No.56416782 Report

Quoted By:

>>56416742
>the lack of megas for kalosmons and stupidly huge dex is the reason why gen 6 pokemon are forgotten
Evidently not since people like OP seethe about gen 6 on a daily basis.

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 18:31:49 No.56416800 Report

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>>56416779
giving megas only to old pokemon didn't stop some of them from feeling incomplete after megas got removed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 18:50:20 No.56416863 Report

Quoted By: >>56416865 >>56417448

Gen I expansion by game

Gold and Silver (19)
>Crobat, Espeon, Umbreon, Blissey
>Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Tyrogue/Hitmontop, Smoochum, Magby, Elekid
>Bellossom
>Politoed, Slowking, Scizor, Steelix, Kingdra, Porygon2

Diamond and Pearl (12)
>Mime Jr., Munchlax
>Magnezone, Lickilicky, Tangrowth, Rhyperior, Electivire, Magmortar
>Happiny, Leafeon, Glaceon, Porygon-Z (also considered Gen II expansion)

HeartGold and SoulSilver (1)
>Spiky-eared Pichu

X and Y (14)
>Mega Venusaur, Mega Charizard X, Mega Charizard Y, Mega Blastoise, Mega Alakazam, Mega Gengar, Mega Kangaskhan, Mega Gyarados, Mega Pinsir, Mega Aerodactyl, Mega Mewtwo X, Mega Mewtwo Y
>Mega Scizor (also considered Gen II expansion)
>Sylveon (also considered Gen II and IV expansion)

Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire (10)
>Mega Beedrill, Mega Pidgeot
>Mega Slowbro, Mega Steelix, Cosplay Pikachu (Rock Star, Belle, Pop Star, Ph. D, Libre) (also consider Gen II expansion)

Sun and Moon (24)
>Rattata/Raticate, Raichu, Sandshrew/Sandslash, Vulpix/Ninetales, Diglett/Dugtrio, Meowth/Persian, Geodude/Graveler/Golem, Grimer/Muk, Exeggutor, Marowak
>Pikachu (Original Cap, Hoenn Cap, Sinnoh Cap, Unova Cap, Kalos Cap, Alola Cap)

Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon (1)
>Pikachu (Partner Cap)

Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go Eevee (2)
>Partner Pikachu and Partner Eevee

Sword and Shield (28)
>Pikachu (World Cap)
>Gigantamax (Charizard, Butterfree, Pikachu, Meowth, Machamp, Gengar, Kingler, Lapras, Eevee, Snorlax)
>Meowth/Perrserker, Ponyta/Rapidash, Farfetch'd/Sirfetch'd, Weezing, Mr. Mime/Mr. Rime
>Updates/DLC (Venusaur, Blastoise, Slowpoke, Slowbro, Slowking, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres)

Legends Arceus (5)
>Growlithe/Arcanine, Voltorb/Electrode
>Kleavor

Scarlet and Violet (9)
>Tauros (Combat/Blaze/Aqua Breed)
>Wiglett/Wugtrio, Toedscool/Toedscruel
>Scream Tail, Sandy Shocks

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 18:51:37 No.56416865 Report

Quoted By: >>56416935

>>56416863
You forgot annihilape

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 19:11:19 No.56416935 Report

Quoted By: >>56416985

>>56416865
Damn, so close

Anyway, 1999-2012 is 32, and 2013-2022 is 94. That's 32 across 13 years vs 94 across 9 years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 19:24:48 No.56416985 Report

Quoted By: >>56417346

>>56416935
While there might be more gen 1 expansion in recent times, I doubt that other gens haven't experienced an increase in expansion as well. In addition, some of your examples really aren't expansion. Several entirely cosmetic event exclusive Pikachu forms that are meant to tie into the anime where most of the forms represent seasons in other regions than Kanto don't feel like an expansion to Kanto on the level of an evolution and a cosmetic event only unevolveable alternate form of a Pokemon that evolves into a Kanto Pokemon doesn't have much to do with gen 1 at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 20:56:47 No.56417346 Report

Quoted By: >>56417393 >>56417448

>>56416985
Gen II expansion totals to about 75, but if we remove Pokémon based on Gen I Pokémon, it's closer to 52. Even then, the Pokémon families that are Gen I/II/IV are a little ambiguous. Happiny evolves to Chansey, Electivire and Magmortar evolve from Electabuzz and Magmar, and Leafeon and Glaceon evolve from Eevee. Only Porygon-Z progresses from a Gen II Pokémon, so even though Leafeon and Glaceon are grouped with Gen II evolutions in Gen IV, they (and Sylveon by extension) may be more tied to Eevee. A more accurate number may be 47.

Ruby and Sapphire (4)
>Unown ! and ?
>Azurill and Wynaut

Diamond and Pearl (16)
>Ambipom, Mismagius, Honchkrow, Bonsly, Mantyke, Weavile, Togekiss, Yanmega, Gliscor, Mamoswine
>Happiny, Electivire, Magmortar, Leafeon, Glaceon, Porygon-Z

HeartGold and SoulSilver (1)
>Spiky-eared Pichu

X and Y (6)
>Sylveon
>Mega Ampharos, Mega Scizor, Mega Heracross, Mega Houndoom, Mega Tyranitar

Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire (8)
>Mega Slowbro, Mega Steelix, Cosplay Pikachu (Rock Star, Belle, Pop Star, Ph. D, Libre)

Sun and Moon (7)
>Raichu (Alolan Form)
>Pikachu (Original Cap, Hoenn Cap, Sinnoh Cap, Unova Cap, Kalos Cap, Alola Cap)

Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon (1)
>Pikachu (Partner Cap)

Let's Go Pikachu and Let's Go Eevee (2)
>Partner Pikachu and Partner Eevee

Sword and Shield (7)
>Gigantamax (Pikachu and Eevee)
>Corsola/Cursola
>Slowpoke, Slowbro, Slowking

Legends Arceus (8)
>Kleavor, Typhlosion, Qwilfish/Overqwill, Sneasel/Sneasler, Ursaluna, Wyrdeer

Scarlet and Violet (15)
>Wooper/Clodsire, Farigiraf, Dudunsparce (Two-Segment/Three-Segment)
>Great Tusk, Scream Tail, Flutter Mane, Iron Treads, Iron Bundle, Iron Thorns
>Ursaluna (Bloodmoon), Walking Wake, Gouging Fire, Raging Bolt

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 21:07:06 No.56417393 Report

Quoted By: >>56417401

>>56417346
Hoenn expansion - 37

FireRed and LeafGreen (2)
>Deoxys (Attack/Defense Forme)

Emerald (1)
>Deoxys (Speed Forme)

Diamond and Pearl (7)
>Chingling, Budew, Roserade, Probopass, Gallade, Dusknoir, Froslass

X and Y (10)
>Mega Evolution (Blaziken, Gardevoir, Mawile, Aggron, Medicham, Manectric, Banette, Absol, Latias, Latios)

Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire (11)
>Sceptile, Swampert, Sableye, Sharpedo, Camerupt, Altaria, Glalie, Salamence, Metagross, Rayquaza, Gallade)

Sword and Shield (3)
>Zigzagoon/Linoone/Obstagoon

Scarlet and Violet (3)
>Iron Hands, Roaring Moon, Iron Valiant

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 21:08:07 No.56417401 Report

Quoted By:

>>56417393
Shit, I forgot Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre, that's 39.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 21:17:44 No.56417448 Report

Quoted By: >>56418178

>>56417346
>>Happiny, Electivire, Magmortar, Leafeon, Glaceon,
>Sylveon
>Mega Slowbro
>Cosplay Pikachu (Rock Star, Belle, Pop Star, Ph. D, Libre)
>Raichu (Alolan Form)
>Pikachu (Original Cap, Hoenn Cap, Sinnoh Cap, Unova Cap, Kalos Cap, Alola Cap)
>Pikachu (Partner Cap)
>Partner Pikachu and Partner Eevee
>Gigantamax (Pikachu and Eevee)
>>Kleavor
None of these count, they directly evolve/branch off a Gen 1 Pokemon. some of these could arguably count as anti-shilling since they active exclude the Gen 2 branch like Mega Slowbro or Let's Go completely erasing Gen 2 members (along with everything else not GenWun).

>Porygon-Z
This one counts since it evolved from Porygon2, (has it say, evolved from Porygon it would be Gen 1)

>>56416863
Similar here I count Mega Steelix,, Mega Scizor for Gen 2 not Gen 1

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Anonymous Sat 07 Sep 2024 21:20:47 No.56417466 Report

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>>56414752
>Delphox is supposed to be a witch
>Its design implies a woman with her breasts out and belly exposed right down to her nether regions

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Anonymous Sun 08 Sep 2024 00:04:43 No.56418178 Report

Quoted By: >>56418393

>>56417448
Leafeon and Glaceon are placed among the Gen II evolutions towards the end of the Gen IV Pokédex, almost like they're considered extensions of Espeon and Umbreon. Porygon-Z is grouped with the Gen II evolutions as well. I do think the way these Pokémon are marketed has changed, particularly by the time Sylveon was introduced. Eevee was always popular, but it was more about what it would evolve into. Espeon and Umbreon overshadow Eevee in Gen II. Leafeon and Glaceon overshadow Eevee in Gen IV. But by Gen VI with Sylveon, it felt like they were promoting the whole Eevee line at the same time with Eevee (and occasionally Sylveon since it's the only standalone evolution) at the forefront, and it's been like that ever since with Extreme Evoboost in Alola, the typing of the partner moves in LGPE, Gmax Eevee in Galar, and Penny in Paldea.

Gen II has a lot of Gen I expansion because that's they could work with.
Gen III was being designed as a reboot but changed plans mid-development, so it only has Azurill, Wynaut, and the Unown forms.
Gen IV has a lot of previous Gen expansion, and it's done pretty fairly, there's a good balance. That's what I like about PLA, it doesn't feel like Gen I pandering even with Kleavor, the Growlithe line, and the Voltorb line.
Gen V was more of a reboot than Gen III and had no expansion for previous Gens.
Gen VI had Sylveon and Mega Evolutions, but the Megas skewed towards Gen I and Gen III with ORAS. You could combine Gen II and IV Megas from all of Gen VI and it still wouldn't equal Gen I in X and Y.
Gen VII had regional variants, all Alolan Forms are of Gen I Pokémon, Gigantamax Pokémon are either Gen I or Gen VIII with the exceptions of Garbodor and Melmetal, but at least the regional forms are a bit more distributed. And Paldea is fair enough.

But ever since PLA, it feels like Gen II has been getting some love. Gen IV already treated Gen II well, so that could be a reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Sep 2024 00:37:16 No.56418290 Report

Quoted By: >>56418401 >>56418579 >>56418646

>>56414765
>every new pokemon should be single stage because two new things at once is stupid

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Anonymous Sun 08 Sep 2024 01:06:42 No.56418393 Report

Quoted By: >>56418512

>>56418178
>Leafeon and Glaceon are placed among the Gen II evolutions towards the end of the Gen IV Pokédex, almost like they're considered extensions of Espeon and Umbreon
I haven't seen the Gen IV dex, but that just might be to keep all the Eeveelutions together,

>You could combine Gen II and IV Megas from all of Gen VI and it still wouldn't equal Gen I in X and Y.
This is when the complaints of Kanto-Shilling started.

>But ever since PLA, it feels like Gen II has been getting some love
True, not sure if its them intentionally making up for the long period of Johto neglect from neglect from Gens 5-8, actively trying to pander to Johtofans, or they were running out of Gen 1 mons to pander so its was simply Gen 2's turn, but Gen 2 got a lot recently, Its tied with Unova for the most paradox mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Sep 2024 01:07:45 No.56418401 Report

Quoted By: >>56418593

>>56418290
>all starters are single stage

I know reading comprehension is hard, but a little effort

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Sep 2024 01:47:07 No.56418512 Report

Quoted By: >>56418540

>>56418393
The order is based on the order of the Pokémon they evolve from, so they're technically group by Gen, and that's how you can tell Leafeon and Glaceon were being treated as an extension of Gen II rather than simply Eevee.
>#462: Magnezone (#082: Magneton)
>#463: Lickilicky (#108: Lickitung)
>#464: Rhyperior (#112: Rhydon)
>#465: Tangrowth (#114: Tangela)
>#466: Electivire (#125: Electabuzz)
>#467: Magmortar (#126: Magmar)
>#468: Togekiss (#176: Togetic)
>#469: Yanma (#193: Yanmega)
>#470: Leafeon (#196: Espeon)
>#471: Glaceon (#197: Umbreon)
>#472: Gliscor (#207: Gligar)
>#473: Mamoswine (#221: Piloswine)
>#474: Porygon-Z (#233: Porygon2)
>#475: Gallade (#281: Kirlia)
>#476: Probopass (#299: Nosepass)
>#477: Dusknoir (#356: Dusclops)
>#478: Froslass (#361: Snorunt)

Incidentally Weavile is #461, but it's staggered through the original Sinnoh Pokédex with the babies, Roserade, Ambipom, Mismagius, Honchkrow, etc. while #462 onward were post-game National Pokédex only, at least until Platinum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Sep 2024 01:58:35 No.56418540 Report

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>>56418512
That’s so weird. What would make Game Freak think of Leaf/Glaceon as expansions of Esp/Umbreon specifically rather than of Eevee or even of Flar/Jolt/Vaporeon? No one looks at Leafeon and thinks “wow Espeon is so cool now!”

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Sep 2024 02:11:06 No.56418579 Report

Quoted By: >>56418593

>>56418290
>old pokemon should never get updates ever because I'm jealous kanto exists

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Anonymous Sun 08 Sep 2024 02:16:29 No.56418593 Report

Quoted By: >>56418607

>>56418579
>old pokemon should never get updates ever
When did I remotely imply this? If anything I'm okay with a more proportional distribution region wise for Megas. That's why it made no sense that they shafted the Kalos dex, a decision that can only be explained by them to being confident with the majority of it.
>>56418401
>all starters are single stage
When did I remotely imply this? All I did was reply to the anon using the logic "new things shouldn't get new things" and showing how stupid it is

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Sep 2024 02:20:24 No.56418607 Report

Quoted By: >>56418622

>>56418593
When did I remotely imply this? All I did was reply to the anon using the logic "old pokemon should never get updates ever because I'm jealous kanto exists" and showing how stupid it is

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Sep 2024 02:24:47 No.56418622 Report

Quoted By: >>56418646 >>56420692

>>56418607
>blatant copy pasta
Let me break this down for you anon, since you can't follow a simple thought for three seconds:
This>>56414765 post's logic is "Kalos mons are new at the time, so why should they get something new". So I applied that logic to regular evolution and form changes instead of only Mega evolution to make their logic consistent and demonstrate how retarded it is. You're saying thatI argued "old pokemon should never get updates" which I JUST said no to. You can't point to where I advocated for this. You're just putting words in my mouth and making it seem like I said something I didn't say and calling that made up phrase stupid. That's actually just you calling yourself stupid since you came up with the shitty strawman of an argument no one made.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Sep 2024 02:33:31 No.56418646 Report

Quoted By: >>56418655

>>56418622
Let me break this down for you anon, since you can't follow a simple thought for three seconds:
This >>56418290 post's logic is "I'm assblasted that old pokemon got updates because I'm mad kanto exists" So I applied that logic to regular evolution and form changes instead of only Mega evolution to make their logic consistent and demonstrate how retarded it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Sep 2024 02:36:49 No.56418655 Report

Quoted By: >>56418701

>>56418646
>File
>This post's logic is "(thing not remotely said or implied)"
>continued with even more blatant copy pasta that doesn't even work in reverse
As I said before, you're just putting words in my mouth and making it seem like I said something I didn't say and calling that made up phrase stupid. That's actually just you calling yourself stupid since you came up with the shitty strawman of an argument no one made.

Copypasta doesn't get you anywhere. In this case, it only makes your camp of genfags look even more like the retards of the conversation. At a certain point everyone not even involved in debate agrees you're the baboon after seeing it not making sense.
It's almost like parrotfags are retards that think all games MUST be created equal when they aren't.
>the sky is blue
>the sky is orange
>look up
>look up
>anyone with measuring equipment can measure the wavelength and match it to the color humans accepted as blue
>anyone with measuring equipment can measure the wavelength and match it to the color humans accepted as orange
Proof never mattered to basement dwellers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Sep 2024 02:53:17 No.56418701 Report

Quoted By: >>56420692

>>56418655
>As I said before, you're just putting words in my mouth and making it seem like I said something I didn't say and calling that made up phrase stupid
You mean like what you're doing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 08 Sep 2024 11:16:13 No.56419714 Report

Quoted By:

>>56414890
One can only hope.

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Anonymous Sun 08 Sep 2024 17:06:29 No.56420692 Report

Quoted By:

>>56418701
>You mean like what you're doing?
Show me where I did that. I basically adapted the logic word for word, as I explained here>>56418622
All you've done is copypasta where it doesn't apply. You quoted a post and said it said something when it didn't. You're so pathetic. You're only churning out substance-lacking responses like a rat in a wheel to feel good about yourself.

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