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GIGA HAPPENING

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 07:58:01 No.56559263 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>56559266 >>56559661 >>56559914 >>56559928 >>56559999 >>56560236 >>56560980 >>56561083 >>56561106 >>56564216 >>56564667 >>56565067 >>56566375 >>56567721 >>56568712 >>56569411 >>56572568

smogon is rigged to its core!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 07:59:07 No.56559266 Report

Quoted By: >>56559291

>>56559263
People just don't check the catalog before they post?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 08:12:12 No.56559291 Report

Quoted By:

always knew there was something fishy with smogon.
>>56559266
this aint reddit, lardass. no upvootes for you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 11:36:26 No.56559661 Report

Quoted By: >>56559833 >>56559910 >>56560018

>>56559263
Lando-T, Kyurem, Clefable and Toxapex were always their whitelisted mons.
They even wanted once to ban Nidoking from OU due to countering Clefable.
Nothing new whatsoever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 12:43:52 No.56559833 Report

Quoted By:

>>56559661
>Kyurem
>whitelisted
Nigga they banned Kyurem in gen 8 after the janny in the op got BTFO by it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 13:05:28 No.56559910 Report

Quoted By: >>56559914 >>56560188

>>56559661
Kyurem has a box legend BST, and was only ever allowed in OU because it had no moves. Then it got moves and became a problem.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 13:08:12 No.56559914 Report

Quoted By: >>56559916

>>56559263
>>56559910
All her three forms are legal in OU???

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 13:10:15 No.56559916 Report

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>>56559914
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 13:14:35 No.56559928 Report

Quoted By: >>56559935

>>56559263
>smogon is rigged
GEE THANKS CAPTAIN OBVIOUS. Was them rapidfire banning every decent offensive mon the past 2 generations not obvious enough?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 13:19:25 No.56559935 Report

Quoted By: >>56559981

>>56559928
>pokemon with absolutely perfect coverage on just 2 moves with the option to have a no-drawback scarf
>only decent
Why are flutterfags like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 13:26:26 No.56559950 Report

Quoted By:

Maybe if you didn't resort to cheating to cast your votes this wouldn't have happened.
You get what you fucking deserve.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 13:39:18 No.56559981 Report

Quoted By: >>56559987

>>56559935
All anti-smogonfags will the most broken shit Pokemon capable of at least 2shooting everything besides maybe Blissey, outspeed 90% of the game, and additionally has good enough bulk to fire off attacks consistently, then go “ummm yeah Smogon has a Stall agenda” after it gets banned for wrecking every playstyle that isn’t HO and ironically Stall.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 13:41:22 No.56559987 Report

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>>56559981
Ok, Finchi

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 13:43:43 No.56559999 Report

Quoted By: >>56560007 >>56560344

>>56559263
Aint readlng all that QRD

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 13:44:27 No.56560000 Report

Quoted By: >>56560053

Cheating? literally how

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 13:46:17 No.56560007 Report

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>>56559999
Someone has been rigging the suspect vote for years.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 13:49:57 No.56560018 Report

Quoted By: >>56569240

>>56559661
>They even wanted once to ban Nidoking from a literal custom format that adjusts a pokemon's stats
The average /vp/ omgon detractor in 2024.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 13:58:52 No.56560053 Report

Quoted By: >>56560057

>>56560000
Someone made 11 alts and got reqs for them all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 14:00:03 No.56560057 Report

Quoted By: >>56560062 >>56564499

>>56560053
>one of them voted to not ban
That dude has a sense of humour.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 14:01:45 No.56560062 Report

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>>56560057
That's based.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 14:47:41 No.56560188 Report

Quoted By: >>56560196 >>56574152

>>56559910
It's not as clear-cut in SV because Kyurem lost Roost but gained Loaded Dice which works with both its physical STAB moves. Is that a winning trade? Hard to say, but it's still unpredictable and dangerous as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 14:51:51 No.56560196 Report

Quoted By: >>56560224

>>56560188
It doesn't have the same annoyance as the sub+roost set does, but now it can boost speed while dealing a reliable amount of damage, and has the stats to support a mixed set.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:02:14 No.56560224 Report

Quoted By: >>56560231

>>56560196
Don't forget about Tera which makes it even more unpredictable. It can easily pick its checks, lure them and take them out. That's a clear sign of brokeness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:03:59 No.56560231 Report

Quoted By: >>56560240

>>56560224
That's true for anything. Kyurem is a faster Baxcalibur that trades 10 points in Attack for the ability to run Earth Power and Freeze Dry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:06:30 No.56560236 Report

Quoted By: >>56560244 >>56560246 >>56560255 >>56560326 >>56569261 >>56569532

>>56559263
You know for being such a bad type Ice is sure getting A LOT of bans this generation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:08:26 No.56560240 Report

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>>56560231
>That's true for anything.
No it really isn't. It's bulky enough to turn a weakness into a resistance that can be abused with Substitutes that can't be easily broken. Frail mons can't abuse defensive Tera options that way.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:09:21 No.56560244 Report

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>>56560236
Yawnfag wins again

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:10:25 No.56560246 Report

Quoted By: >>56560253 >>56560258

>>56560236
All it took is a bunch of Pokemon with >550 BST and good movepools.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:11:46 No.56560253 Report

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>>56560246
>the pokemon has to be good to be good
congrats campaignshitter you’re slowly learning how the game works

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:12:10 No.56560255 Report

Quoted By: >>56560267

>>56560236
Ice being a bad type is a pre-SS meme. HDB alone fixed their biggest issue, add Snow, Chilly Reception, Auraro Veil, Freeze-Dry getting a rather wide distribution among Ice types, Loaded Dice Icicle Spear, Terastal, improved coverage and setup options and 50% of OU being weak to Ice/Freeze-Dry and it's easy to see why the best Ice types easily get the boot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:13:36 No.56560258 Report

Quoted By: >>56560263 >>56576825

>>56560246
Just like the other types. Seems fair to me.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:15:37 No.56560263 Report

Quoted By: >>56560279

>>56560258
Everything below that cutoff is still unusably bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:17:24 No.56560267 Report

Quoted By: >>56560304 >>56560309 >>56561245

>>56560255
Also, there are precisely 5 ice/Freeze-Dry resists in OU, not counting Tera:
>Cinderace (who might not even resist it after Libero type change, also weak to Earth Power)
>Gholdengo (weak to Earth Power)
>Iron Crown (weak to Earth Power)
>Iron Moth
>Kingambit (slower, weak to Earth Power)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:20:03 No.56560279 Report

Quoted By: >>56560302

>>56560263
Gotta start from somewhere. Ice was late to the party, but it's not the first type that was overall complete trash before it got a buff in a later generation (fire, rock, poison, fighting and bug come to mind).
What matters is that they finally got the memo that ice works as an offensive type so they're giving us more and more offensive ice types. That's the right direction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:27:12 No.56560302 Report

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>>56560279
Ice still sucks as a defensive type, but it finally got things with higher speed than defense.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:27:42 No.56560304 Report

Quoted By: >>56560312 >>56569293

>>56560267
>Iron Moth 4x weak to Earth Power

Man, it's almost as if Ground and Ice are really good on offense... Why aren't people using Mamoswine again?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:28:40 No.56560309 Report

Quoted By: >>56560325

>>56560267
This is a big part of the reason Kyurem is ban-worthy. NOTHING in OU wants to switch into Freeze-Dry because even if they resist it there is the dual danger of freezehax and possible Earth Power on the switch. Kyurem is bulky enough that it can fire multiple Freeze-Drys per match and the chance of freeze hax because non-inconsequential after a few ones (roughly 28% chance of scoring a freeze after 3, which is pretty realistic).
Since FD already has its special property of being SE against water, it should lose the freezehax on top of it to make it balanced. It's a broken move even if it doesn't look like that at first glance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:29:42 No.56560312 Report

Quoted By: >>56560366

>>56560304
lmao I forgot to mention it, somehow I was thinking about Volcarona. But yeah EVERYTHING in OU that can take FD can't take EP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:34:14 No.56560325 Report

Quoted By: >>56560331

>>56560309
Freeze Dry is fine as it is... Water needed a comeuppance, and the added benefit of putting Gliscor, Lando, Pelipper, Wake, and anything Water/Ground type in the grave is an welcome boon to everyone who doesn't worship at the Church of Finch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:34:27 No.56560326 Report

Quoted By: >>56560336

>>56560236
But Kyurem ended up not being banned.
And who knows, maybe Yawnfag was autistic enough to rig the votes on the other Ice types that got banned.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:36:52 No.56560331 Report

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>>56560325
The SE part is fine, but the freeze-hax certainly isn't. Ice Beam and the other ice moves are NVE against water and the special attackers usually have Scald to thaw themselves out. That kind of counterplay goes out of the windw with FD.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:38:31 No.56560336 Report

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>>56560326
Kyurem is going to remain on the radar even if it dodged the ban this time. It's not the first mon that needed multiple suspect rounds to get the boot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:40:26 No.56560344 Report

Quoted By: >>56560350 >>56560376

>>56559999
some french faglord made 11 sock puppet accounts and handed them to his buddies to ensure that Kyurem got banned. After this was discovered their votes were removed and it dropped the ban percentage from 61% ban to only 59%, and they need at least 60% to ban it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:42:27 No.56560350 Report

Quoted By: >>56560382

>>56560344
>from 61% ban to only 59%, and they need at least 60% to ban it
Such convenient numbers... I smell something fishy here kek.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:46:56 No.56560366 Report

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>>56560312
Frosmoth is actually a pretty great counter to non-physical variants.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:49:41 No.56560376 Report

Quoted By: >>56560382

>>56560344
Couldn't anyone else have been doing this too? So there may have been multiple people voting with multiple accounts? Not sure how many people are able to get access to "voting" though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 15:52:04 No.56560382 Report

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>>56560350
you can see the thread where the voting happens, It was close because people were worried about the return of boring ass fat balance like what gen 8 ended up as, so it's not shocking that removing a few votes got it under.
>>56560376
Anybody can vote if you get I think 80% GXE on a voting alt, but I think they're considering changing it to 1750 ELO instead of GXE

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 18:31:39 No.56560880 Report

Quoted By: >>56560892 >>56561009 >>56561022 >>56561055 >>56561100 >>56564534 >>56564956 >>56565054 >>56572572

see it like this, this "council" thought dynamax was too much for the game and banned it, yet the crux of the current meta problem, Tera, is fine according to them.
i want you to think really hard about this one, a RNG gimmick that you need to play 4D chess to predict and/or play around is "better" than a big mon for 3 turns.

>tldr
ban tera and the meta is fixed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 18:34:46 No.56560892 Report

Quoted By: >>56560945

>>56560880
>the crux of the current meta problem, Tera
Every banned Pokemon would be just as obnoxious without tera. Aside from Volcarona.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 18:51:34 No.56560945 Report

Quoted By: >>56560958 >>56561042

>>56560892
wrong, its because of tera they got banned.
volcarona is a shitmon without tera, budlight drinker.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 18:57:23 No.56560958 Report

Quoted By:

>>56560945
Reading is not your strong suit, is it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 19:04:27 No.56560980 Report

Quoted By:

>>56559263
Wow!
I'm so surprised!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 19:15:01 No.56561009 Report

Quoted By: >>56561022

>>56560880
they rightfully banned dynamax but a bunch of retards gave them shit for it so now they refuse to ban gimmicks no matter how broken they are

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 19:18:21 No.56561022 Report

Quoted By: >>56561027 >>56565604

>>56561009
>they rightfully banned dynamax
nah, stalltards just couldn't keep their mouths shut.>>56560880 makes sense, tera is far worse than any previous gimmick, at least if you want to take any competitive setting seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 19:20:02 No.56561027 Report

Quoted By: >>56561039

>>56561022
dynamax was fucking aids dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 19:23:51 No.56561039 Report

Quoted By: >>56561054 >>56565604 >>56569319

>>56561027
i find tera worse, but to each his own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 19:25:25 No.56561042 Report

Quoted By: >>56561047

>>56560945
lmao wtf is that OT? how did they let that slide

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 19:27:24 No.56561047 Report

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>>56561042
Technically there's no evidence that it was genned (obviously it was), but they could penalize him if they wanted to anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 19:30:01 No.56561054 Report

Quoted By:

>>56561039
Why?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 19:30:54 No.56561055 Report

Quoted By:

>>56560880
>ban [mechanic that increases the game’s skill ceiling] and the meta is fixed
hmmmm it’s almost like smogshit players are just terrible at the game or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 19:38:51 No.56561083 Report

Quoted By:

>>56559263
FUCKING DOGSHIT TOP PLAYER KEEP THIS META FUCKING TRASH
I fucking hate that trash staller freeze haxer busted ice dragon.
I just ran into a kyurem, slowking, ting lu dondozo team... fucking unplayable garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 19:43:29 No.56561100 Report

Quoted By:

>>56560880
Tera isn't RNG-based at all, especially once you're familiar with the tier and realize that each mon has only a handful of logical Tera options, most of which are obvious once the set is revealed.
Mons that are broken BECAUSE of Tera are those that, even though you know which one they're running, are too much to handle. Case in point: Tera Ice Regieleki.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 19:45:05 No.56561106 Report

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>>56559263
Will Seviper be OU next or what?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 20:11:20 No.56561245 Report

Quoted By: >>56561257 >>56561328 >>56564571

>>56560267
Doesn't help that the only thing that can take ice/ground coverage is fucking frosmoth (is it even in the game?) or some levitate ice/steel/fire mon (bronzong maybe?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 20:12:40 No.56561257 Report

Quoted By:

>>56561245
Frosmoth is in the game, going ignored as usual

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 20:21:29 No.56561328 Report

Quoted By:

>>56561245
>pokemon fan
>doesn't know every pokemon available in current game
you letting us all down, man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 12 Oct 2024 20:22:39 No.56561334 Report

Quoted By: >>56564571

>Levitating Ice Type

Cryogonal! Your time is NOW!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 01:07:26 No.56564216 Report

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>>56559263
>water is wet

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 01:17:22 No.56564305 Report

Quoted By:

https://discord.gg/yxgfph6b6P

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 01:37:22 No.56564499 Report

Quoted By:

>>56560057
More like the stalljew was trying to muddy the waters

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 01:39:59 No.56564534 Report

Quoted By:

>>56560880
They run everything, not even amateur competitive digital gambling simulators escape their schnoz

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 01:43:02 No.56564571 Report

Quoted By: >>56564618

>>56561245
>>56561334
One of the strongest sets is physical with Scale shot, which probably OHKOs uninvested moth and cryo at +0. Then again I haven't lost to Kyurem very much, shitnite on the other hand

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 01:47:07 No.56564618 Report

Quoted By:

>>56564571
252+ Scale Shot kills a Cryogonal with max HP investment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 01:50:19 No.56564667 Report

Quoted By: >>56564799

>>56559263
I don't give a f about smogon since they banned the strategy that made alola-sandslash viable

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 01:59:15 No.56564799 Report

Quoted By:

>>56564667
based alola-sandslash enjoyer
still don't believe it would be viable as better users of the same strategy are available but hey

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 02:10:16 No.56564956 Report

Quoted By:

>>56560880
>muh tera
you're not fooling anyone finch

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 02:15:58 No.56565054 Report

Quoted By:

>>56560880
can you believe it was pretty much exactly a year ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 02:16:43 No.56565067 Report

Quoted By:

>>56559263
I have AI detection software for grading tests and ran his post through it. Came back flagged, lol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 02:45:24 No.56565604 Report

Quoted By:

>>56561022
>>56561039
>Anything
>Worse than Dynamax
Dynamax was absolute dogshit. They took Z-moves, took out any nuanced downsides, let you use 3, and added a bunch of shit to make it tard proof.
Tera is better recieved by the public because it’s easily the most eligant of the 4 gimmicks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 02:49:46 No.56565694 Report

Quoted By: >>56565806

I wonder how many offensive mons got banned because stallfags used alts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 02:54:50 No.56565806 Report

Quoted By: >>56566058 >>56569330 >>56570749

>>56565694
innumerable
council members are truly shameless
just gen 9 alone
>1000x punitive bans after the "wrong" decision was made on tera
>quick ban espathra after a suspect
>gliscor ban reversed in 2 weeks because dlc
>volcarona re-ban
>SLEEP banned because a COUNCIL MEMBER bribed their way up ladder with a meme set (also because they were too retarded to ban darkrai)
>gouging unanimous
no kyurem wasn't a problem for them
kyurem was one of their pet mons because it could be used as an offensive mon on stall teams

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 03:06:34 No.56566058 Report

Quoted By: >>56572195

>>56565806
>>SLEEP banned because a COUNCIL MEMBER bribed their way up ladder with a meme set (also because they were too retarded to ban darkrai)
better than modding the game to nerf sleep while pretending it's still playing a pokemon game and not a mod of it

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 03:07:58 No.56566085 Report

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Kyurem underperforms so badly for a box legend that people forgot it has whole 660 BST total.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 03:23:42 No.56566375 Report

Quoted By:

>>56559263
it's time to apologize

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 04:37:26 No.56567721 Report

Quoted By:

>>56559263
>smogon is a bunch of autistic tards mindbroken by rules that never mattered and never will to somehow superior normies
wow
it's nothing new
>after an internal investigation
so somebody blabbed on discord, eh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 05:54:01 No.56568712 Report

Quoted By:

>>56559263
>zoomers learn that democracy is fake

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 06:36:31 No.56569240 Report

Quoted By:

>>56560018
>Sheer Force LO, now with actual stats

Yeah, not hard to see why a Nidoking running around with Kyogre SpA or Mewtwo speed would be really fucking scary

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 06:38:30 No.56569261 Report

Quoted By: >>56569277

>>56560236
Turns out that when you can get rid of your bad defensive typing while keeping the amazing offensive typing, Ice can be really fucking good.

Turns out it's especially good when you make Ice types fast, frail attackers that can take advantage of said offensive capabilities instead of shitty, slow ones that highlight how bad it is defensively

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 06:39:43 No.56569277 Report

Quoted By: >>56569354

>>56569261
>Turns out that when you [FANFIC]

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 06:40:57 No.56569293 Report

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>>56560304
>Why aren't people using Mamoswine again?
It's slow and outclassed by Great Tusk (Tusk can even go Ice Spinner to embarass it more)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 06:41:44 No.56569304 Report

Quoted By: >>56569354 >>56569399

A trustworthy, reputable site would see all this cheating and then say, "We should revote everything now that this cheating was caught."

Instead, Smogon is not only refusing to have a revote for everything, but they're using this as an excuse to not ban Kyurem. They refuse to cast a revote on this issue.

Smogon has been corrupt for over a decade at this point, but it just gets worse and worse with each passing year.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 06:42:56 No.56569319 Report

Quoted By:

>>56561039
Tera at least adds interesting dynamics to the game. Dynamax is "Do I click the win button now or later?"

In Doubles it's arguably fine because you can at least pressure a Dynamax mon way more/play arond it easier, but in Singles it's just retarded and unfun

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 06:44:04 No.56569330 Report

Quoted By:

>>56565806
>>quick ban espathra after a suspect
This was completely justified though. The only issue was that that fucking bird wasn't banned sooner

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 06:45:58 No.56569354 Report

Quoted By: >>56569552

>>56569277
You sure disproved my point by posting a screenshot of multiple good Ice types, all of which often used Tera in that format to get rid of their bad defensive typings and let them abuse their strong offensive ones?

Snow also helps a LOT too though, I'll admit I forgot that
>>56569304
The only ones that'd be worth revoting are the ones that were that close. Why revote fucking Chien Pao or anything thwas 70%+

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 06:50:46 No.56569399 Report

Quoted By: >>56569420

>>56569304
They checked previous suspects that were also outed with this info, but none of them had impacts changed when their votes were removed. Retesting everything would basically be a format reset, which is unrealistic (but also desperately needed, fuck Tera)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 06:52:08 No.56569411 Report

Quoted By:

>>56559263
You telling me the site that lets stall exist aren't fags? surprise surprise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 06:52:45 No.56569420 Report

Quoted By:

>>56569399
>Retesting everything would basically be a format reset, which is unrealistic (but also desperately needed, fuck Tera)
The only things that'd maybe come back are Volc, Firepoon, and Eleki. Everything else is still ridiculously broken

You really wanna retest fucking Chi-Yu or Chien Pao?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 07:02:35 No.56569532 Report

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>>56560236
Ice is dogshit defensively because it has no resistances.
It's always been an amazing type offensively, and fast offensive Ice-types have always been a solid threat.
And now that snow has replaced hail, Ice-types can now simulate having resistances by getting a defense boost. Or just actually give themselves resistances by terastalizing.
It's really not rocket science to understand why gen 9 is so different for ice types than previous gens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 07:04:07 No.56569552 Report

Quoted By: >>56569636

>>56569354
>th-they often use tera
>th-that’s why the only pokemon that’s tera’d is the non ice type!!
play the game

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 07:09:42 No.56569636 Report

Quoted By: >>56570710

>>56569552
Explain this then

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 08:27:14 No.56570710 Report

Quoted By: >>56570815

>>56569636
doesn't disprove what i said, try again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 08:30:18 No.56570749 Report

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>>56565806
gonna need a source on all those outlandish claims, sweetie.

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Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 08:36:34 No.56570815 Report

Quoted By: >>56571018

>>56570710
>Ice types tend to Tera
>N-NO THEY DON'T, HERE'S A PICTURE OF ONE BATTLE WHERE THEY AREN'T. THIS MEANS THEY NEVER DO
>Post pic of a battle where one does
>T-THAT DOESN't COUNT BECAUSE...IT JUST DOESN'T OKAY

Are you okay retard-kun?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 08:53:14 No.56571018 Report

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>>56570815
one rare example is not an argument

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 10:43:53 No.56572195 Report

Quoted By: >>56572825

>>56566058
A ban is a modification to the game rules to exclude an option available in said game. Banning sleep is practically indistinguishable from modding all sleep moves out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 11:18:54 No.56572568 Report

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>>56559263
>smogon is rigged
No shit. They should have to redo all votes for this generation now.
You know 100% the Volcarona ban was bullshit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 11:19:06 No.56572572 Report

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>>56560880
The council did run a suspect on Tera and the community voted to keep it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 11:36:47 No.56572825 Report

Quoted By: >>56573810

>>56572195
They're referring to sleep clause, which is a mod

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 12:44:00 No.56573810 Report

Quoted By: >>56574239

>>56572825
No its not, I play with it every time I fire up Stadium 2. Oh wait, you guys play that silly fanfiction format with no item clause where you ban everything that clashes with one community clique's idea of a "balanced game", don't you? Yeah, ban entire move subsets to maintain "on cart legitimacy", have fun lads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 13:04:20 No.56574152 Report

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>>56560188
>an ice type
>trading defensive utility for offensive power
take a wild fucking guess if it was a good trade

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 13:07:52 No.56574203 Report

Quoted By: >>56575441

>muh competitive meta in a game with accuracy rng% and random critical hits
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 13:10:40 No.56574239 Report

Quoted By: >>56574295

>>56573810
I don't even care what Smogon does, just pointing out how sleep clause is a mod that's been mechanically impossible since gen 4. It's always been hypocritical to obsess over accurate mechanics 99.99% of the time but then throw it out the window for sleep clause.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 13:14:33 No.56574295 Report

Quoted By: >>56575300

>>56574239
If they wanted to maintain cart accuracy in their simulators they would also maintain a gen accurate battle timer, but it feels (as an outsider looking in) as if Smogon can't decide whether they want to be pure and true to what can be done on cart or whether they want to make a game that is pokemon mechanics rebuilt in their own image. If it is the former, the amount of playstyle bans goes against the purity of the concept - if it is the latter, things like Sleep Clause are fine to implement.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 14:13:22 No.56575300 Report

Quoted By: >>56576893

>>56574295
this made no sense

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 14:20:24 No.56575441 Report

Quoted By: >>56576241

>>56574203
Doesn't stop players for consistently winning locals, regionals, world cups, tournaments. Doubles, singles, 6v6, 3v3 etc
Get good, shitter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 15:00:23 No.56576241 Report

Quoted By:

>>56575441
>the illusion of skill
many such cases

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 15:30:00 No.56576825 Report

Quoted By:

>>56560258
No.
Steel types used to be able to be good even with shit stats. And still are generally better than their stats typically would set their par.
As an example. Fairies are the same.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 13 Oct 2024 15:33:01 No.56576893 Report

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>>56575300
Smogon claims that it can't use sleep clause in current gens because it deviates from cartridge accurate mechanics. Cartridge accurate mechanics include the battle and turn timer, yet Smogon approved simulators on Showdown don't model the Battle and Turn Timer, making some tactics more or less viable in a way that is not cleanly replicated on cart.

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