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Never quite understood the fascination for this Shudo guy, like it's always talked about how the dude was a self-destructived and depressive, tortured soul having to work a kids show...but when you look at the episodes he made for the anime they are all just your average Pokemon episode and only very occasionally surreal stuff (the giant Dragonite episode, the giant Pokemon island episode, the Ghost of Maiden's Peak episode) he also wrote a novelization of the show which depicts the world as far more bleak with stuff like Pallet Town being a shithole shanty town, where the Oak family rose to power for being the lesser losers of town, and Ash's mom posing on porno magazines in her youth, etc., but that's literally fanfiction
Dude is not even Miyazaki levels of whimsical work coming from an overly-bitter man, don't get why people care so much

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:04:29 No.56722654 Report

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>>56722632
Is there any place to read that novel in English.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:04:57 No.56722659 Report

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>>56722534
Na-
>Masuda's blog
Maybe you're right.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:10:35 No.56722722 Report

Quoted By: >>56722840 >>56732977

>>56722632
The guy is imaginative in all the right places, with his first movie been the one with giving Mewtwo more personality then just "hermit in a cave".

He even thought of ideas that deconstructs the foundation of the Pokemon idea, alas we we late to understand his creativity and he died depressed and lonely from the cutthroat society of japan.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:10:45 No.56722727 Report

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>>56722520
His name is Dr. Jamba. How many times do I have to tell you this, Buffy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:12:04 No.56722740 Report

Quoted By: >>56724853 >>56724928

>>56722654
here's the link.
https://pokemonthenovel.dreamwidth.org/380.html

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:14:03 No.56722757 Report

Quoted By: >>56722799 >>56727975

>>56722362
She always was.

>B-but the voice is ma-

It's telepathy, hearing a male voice on a voluptuous body like that just means you're a faggot

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:15:43 No.56722777 Report

Quoted By: >>56722859 >>56722950 >>56730683

>>56722632
Let's be honest, without Shudo the franchise wouldn't have lasted this long. The reason for Genwunning isn't the games being good, it was the anime being an amazing adaption of primitive source material that was enjoyable globally. Meanwhile the games would begin to get better at the expense of becoming much more split with the fanbase the anime would only get worse without him and continue to decline a slow, arduous, painful death of irrelevancy to the point the games were promoting the anime instead of vice versa

By the point of Journeys the anime was more of a detriment than it was an asset when that was objectively the inverse in the early 2000s

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:18:05 No.56722799 Report

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>>56722757
>It's now canon that Ash is a raging faggot.
I knew it all along.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:22:48 No.56722840 Report

Quoted By: >>56722861

>>56722722
Yeah, and the prologue (unfortunately cut from the original theatrical release in the west) only adds even more depth to Mewtwo: him being the sole survivor of the cloning experiment makes his frustration with the meaning of life being dictated by his creators (even if the way he reaches to the conclusion about him being the owner of his own fate regardless of origin is a little corny, no matter how much of a gut punch it is to have Ash die in the cross-fire when he's revived by the *magical tears of the Pokemon*)
It's a good movie, has a profound-enough message for the audience, don't know if the same can be said about the other two (never actually sit through and watched them fully in my whole life)

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:23:54 No.56722859 Report

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>>56722777
Trips of truth

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:24:03 No.56722861 Report

Quoted By: >>56722914

>>56722840
2nd movie is just dumb "Ash saves the world" plot. 3rd movie I remember having some deeper themes of dealing with loss.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:27:18 No.56722914 Report

Quoted By: >>56723016 >>56727949

>>56722861
>3rd movie I remember having some deeper themes of dealing with loss.
It did but Shudo's script got taking over by corporate executives and got rewritten to high hell, that got him to quit Pokemon and retire.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:30:12 No.56722950 Report

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>>56722777
Sad but very true

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:30:54 No.56722954 Report

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>>56722231
He was right. He's the only guy who ever really understood Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:32:16 No.56722969 Report

Quoted By: >>56723037

why didnt he just cope and rationalize it as lugia having a really deep voice, since it isnt human

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:32:49 No.56722976 Report

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Lugia sexo

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:35:28 No.56723009 Report

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>>56722231
>pokemon that creates storms powerful enough to destroy entire towns when it flaps it's wings is maternal

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:36:16 No.56723016 Report

Quoted By: >>56723050

>>56722914
Weird that it implies corporate meddling made it actually have core emotional content when that was really lacking in the other two movies, the first one's original theatrical release especially given it lacked the prequel scenes.

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:38:03 No.56723037 Report

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>>56722969
Anon...
Imagine losing your ideas by careless business people, who just want to make money to the point that the popularity of the show started to fail, that they soft-rebooted it with multiple showrunners, trying to recreate the magic of the series...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:39:32 No.56723050 Report

Quoted By: >>56725029 >>56725127 >>56726322

>>56723016
The corporate executives added Molly's Mother coming back at the end of the movie when he wanted her dead the entire time and the movie to be about her learning to cope and move on. This was AFTER they denied his initial pitch of the whole reviving a T-Rex plot to force in Entei to shill the legendary and the fact he couldn't use Ho-Oh since he promised himself the anime should end with a Ho-Oh encounter

Generally I don't blame him, he wanted to try and do something unique and the fledgling TPC wanted to shill the games to kids

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:40:00 No.56723058 Report

Quoted By: >>56723068 >>56724078 >>56725084 >>56727976

Why are the people who insist that all members of an entire species must be female always so mentally ill?

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:41:31 No.56723068 Report

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>>56723058
To be fair to Shudo he didn't really see Lugia as a species but an outright, singular God. It wasn't intended to be a normal Pokemon it was supposed to be wholly unique. The species thing came later to justify why the games let you have "multiples"

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:45:01 No.56723111 Report

Quoted By: >>56723246

isn't there a baby lugia in the anime that would suggest there is a breeding pair of lugias male and female

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Anonymous Sun 20 Oct 2024 23:59:27 No.56723246 Report

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>>56723111
Yeah but is it canon for the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 01:26:51 No.56724078 Report

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>>56723058
Easy, they falls into one of the following mentally unwell bins, maybe even overlapping:
Insecure incel
>can't handle the idea of competing against any other male at all
>insanely jealous of the idea that they don't have total control over a female
>trust issues, cannot even trust women to be around men that aren't him on even the slightest chance she would want to leave him for one second
>generally abusive and wifebeater types

Self-hating cuck
>bought into the "purest form of love" meme too hard
>wishes he was also female
>doesn't understand what women actually like about men
>may or may not be a tranny (AGP type, wishes he was a lesbian despite a majority of women being straight)

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 02:48:47 No.56724853 Report

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>>56722740
Thx niggy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 02:57:47 No.56724928 Report

Quoted By: >>56724934

>>56722740
Is this what the anime would have been if Shudo wrote it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 02:58:17 No.56724934 Report

Quoted By: >>56724950

>>56724928
Shudo wrote it, no?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 02:59:45 No.56724950 Report

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>>56724934
No I mean if he had creative control

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 03:09:15 No.56725029 Report

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>>56723050
The entei I understand since animal were phased out over time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 03:16:42 No.56725084 Report

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>>56723058
It is the "legendaries as individuals" paradigm.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 03:18:09 No.56725098 Report

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>>56722231
It's such a strange thing to want to drink over

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 03:22:02 No.56725127 Report

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>>56723050
Dunno what he was thinking even attempting to write for them. Was it worth the bullshit? When you drink yourself to death over a character in an anime, one wonders. Anybody who wasn't retarded (so, that rules out all slants at the very least) would just walk out of that building and never return, saying fuck that place.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 03:23:51 No.56725147 Report

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>>56725127
They had a lot of freedom until the 4th gym.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 06:35:47 No.56726268 Report

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>>56722231
I am sick of women to the point that I can no longer imagine female monsters as being desirable. I am now forced to become gay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 06:47:29 No.56726322 Report

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>>56723050
>he corporate executives added Molly's Mother coming back at the end of the movie when he wanted her dead the entire time and the movie to be about her learning to cope and move on.

Oh si THATS what fucking happened, I remember thinking that made the entire movie feel pointless as a little kid.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 07:05:05 No.56726398 Report

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>While Ash wouldn't notice due to being with her all the time, most people would consider her quite the beauty, in fact, when she was 17 she appeared on the front cover of the new year bumper issue of “Pokémon Pals” alongside a flower Pokémon known as Bellsprout.
It was the biggest thing to happen in Pallet Town since Pallet Oak reached 931st on the trainer charts.
It was approximately two years later that Ash was born, however she has never told him about her appearance in that special edition of “Pokémon Pals” because “I was so immature back then, yaaah~ ”

https://pokemonthenovel.dreamwidth.org/1319.html

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 07:13:43 No.56726446 Report

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>>56722231
Doesn't Lugia have a baby in the movie? Wouldn't people know she's female then?

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 07:17:10 No.56726462 Report

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>>56722231
Based Shudo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 07:26:11 No.56726498 Report

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>>56722799
Considering how many hot chicks he's had after his jock during his journeys and he doesn't bang any of them? Pretty much canon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 07:51:39 No.56726601 Report

Quoted By: >>56727322

>>56722522
Bro? Tajiri? Shudo was just a weirdo. Tajiri is a complete social recluse. He's never seen in public.
He was so obsessed with bug catching as a kid that people called him Dr. Bug. He said that he had a sleep schedule of 12h or sleep and 24h of being awake. There's all kinds of signs that he's autistic as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 07:55:20 No.56726612 Report

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>>56722231
Keeeeeeek femlugiafags lost

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 09:27:33 No.56727028 Report

Quoted By: >>56727077

>>56722632
Shudo kept the series from being just a videogame adaptation. Like Ash is constantly comparing himself with Gary and falling short, Misty is a tomboy unlike her sisters, Brock was basically a single parent. It's little things like that made the series relatable despite the premise. The dude clearly needed to be reigned in but without him the anime became stale.
Like Arven's story in SV is actually relatable to audiences unlike whatever the hell Kalos was doing.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 09:43:48 No.56727077 Report

Quoted By: >>56727136 >>56729500

>>56727028
Arven has no story, he shouts exposition at you intermittently and then "Oh it was his dog that got beat up by a jigglypuff or something" and that's it until the end where "Oh by way I'm not the professor I am a robot they are dead and Arven was their son I guess. I have to go now, my planet needs me" (professor Sada died on their way to the alternate universe).
It's nothing. Fuck man, I'm not expecting the Dark Brotherhood from Oblivion out of pokemon but this nothing.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 09:49:02 No.56727088 Report

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>>56722231
Good. Lugia is better as a chubby daddy type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 10:03:50 No.56727136 Report

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>>56727077
What the fuck are you talking about man?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 10:54:51 No.56727322 Report

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>>56726601
>12h or sleep and 24h of being awake
some terry davis shit there

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 12:36:12 No.56727949 Report

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>>56722914
He's said in blogs that he was discussing leaving the show as early as orange islands, since he wasn't onboard with the idea of working on a long running series period. That was also why he wrote a few different endings that would have closed the book on Ash's story to franchise-killing levels, most of which he apparently didn't bother pitching.

As it was, he wrote for the show until partway through Master Quest, and I assume the >>56722510 arc was way of amending the Lugia lore.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 12:39:41 No.56727975 Report

Quoted By: >>56728057

>>56722757
>this cope
But enough about femtwofags.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 12:39:42 No.56727976 Report

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>>56723058
Lugia is most likely unique

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 12:50:22 No.56728057 Report

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>>56727975
there's multiple mewtwos and one of the ones in the anime, howeverby, has a female voice

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 14:01:34 No.56728829 Report

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Shudo was just built different, he's the father of Truck-kun afterall…

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 14:56:26 No.56729500 Report

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>>56727077
>I'm not expecting the Dark Brotherhood from Oblivion
THATS your gold standard huh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 15:56:10 No.56730186 Report

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>>56722362
females are disgusting
they should not be powerful or respectable
Just look at all the media that makes them so
It's all garbage

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 15:56:48 No.56730193 Report

Quoted By: >>56730205

>>56722231
Isn't Lugia canonically a mother?

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 15:58:01 No.56730205 Report

Quoted By: >>56730218

>>56730193
the anime has 4 or more lugia

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 15:59:37 No.56730218 Report

Quoted By: >>56730901

>>56730205
Oh look, Lugia with her baby.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 16:00:07 No.56730224 Report

Quoted By: >>56730346

Is this the guy that was gonna make the 3rd movie about a real T-rex rampaging through the pokemon world? is so he sounds based as fuck

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 16:06:18 No.56730308 Report

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>>56722231
Yes here is the leaked art. Notice the pattern that leater became the spine spikes

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 16:08:39 No.56730346 Report

Quoted By: >>56730355

>>56730224
he was going to copy digimon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 16:09:38 No.56730355 Report

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>>56730346
To be fair Bandai copied nintendo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 16:10:33 No.56730369 Report

Quoted By: >>56730401

>>56722231
Honestly if baffles me when anyone brings up pokemon voices like Arceus' in the movies as if it means jack shit.
They were obviously casting both that one and Lugia based on what they thought would be the most marketable, not what was the actual creators' intent.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 16:12:30 No.56730401 Report

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>>56730369
the creators don't matter

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 16:35:43 No.56730683 Report

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>>56722777
You've overdone it with the fellatio. The games were very good, immersive, unique, replayable and with a huge vision for the future and many imitators that couldn't thrive. And all that on a small 8-bit console. The anime attracted more people because that's its function, it had a flavor of its own that set it apart from everything that came after, but let's not pretend that's the only good thing either, there's some very outdated OS stuff today and newer fans often despise OS because of its lack of shonen and its imbalance in the treatment of the characters.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 16:37:00 No.56730703 Report

Quoted By: >>56730729 >>56730882 >>56730914

>>56722231
palworld is no different

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 16:39:42 No.56730729 Report

Quoted By: >>56730774

>>56730703
tldr

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 16:43:05 No.56730774 Report

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>>56730729
Read it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 16:51:51 No.56730882 Report

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>>56730703
>muh plagiarism
How petty are these guys?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 16:52:59 No.56730901 Report

Quoted By: >>56732988

>>56730218
*Lugia with his son

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 16:53:01 No.56730903 Report

Quoted By: >>56730959

was ho-oh's also a mess or are they ok

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 16:53:51 No.56730914 Report

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>>56730703
holy fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 16:57:15 No.56730959 Report

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>>56730903
ho-oh doesn't have a designer attributed to it, so no idea

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 17:01:14 No.56731014 Report

Quoted By: >>56731025 >>56732991

>>56722231
We almost got this guy in too.
Makes me wonder if more bizarre stuff like Zapmolcuno ever stood a chance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 17:02:15 No.56731025 Report

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>>56731014
MechaMew2 from the musial felt awfully similar to Omega (replaced by Mew) for instance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 19:32:37 No.56732977 Report

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>>56722722
God, Mewtwo used to be so cool, I hate what they did to him in later works.

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Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 19:33:35 No.56732988 Report

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>>56730901
Hows it feel to be wrong?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 21 Oct 2024 19:34:12 No.56732991 Report

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>>56731014
I fucking loved that manga
Coconut best waifu

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