LAST TIME:
>i defeat CURIE 2.0 in SLLDE >then proceed to get trips so every kaizonigger ever must hang themselves >ashime encounters sexo milfs and fantastic subtle writing in realidea >bunken shows off how balanced and fair big top is with the BRAVEST bird and meets typedo's buff creepy uncle >orevald conquers a shitty steelix gauntlet and an autistic child >RG begins infinity despite knowing how shit the ending is >jagi makes it to a bullshit robot in empyrean >musk starts up another wack run >What is this? This is a thread where a bunch of autists come together and play shitty fangames. Join if you want.
>How do I join? Just make a name and/or tripcode and start posting images.
>Archive https://rentry.org/vp-Plays-Thread-Archive >Fangame Bingo Card Generator https://bingobaker.com/#6636f8a719381479
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
remember when I said I wasn't going to do the 8th gym
...yeah I don't like leaving things unfinished
VERY epic gym concept to have a 2v1. this is just like my heccin urmumium again! (T/N: This is a reference to a game by DemICE.)
Whiteouts: 455 from random trainers, which ALL need to have full teams chuddie
>>57026317 also, GG
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
>>57026364 put an end to the nightmare, godspeed
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
>>>>>autistic child zone >>57026352 >>57026364 Thanks bros.
>8th gym Wait that wasn't the end of the game?
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
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so for whatever reason, moto was not feeling THAT evil when he made this, and it's '''''''only''''''''' a 6v10
still
>permanent rain >everything is pulse3 (even though the evilniggers used the excuse of being blessed by the legendary dogs, I guess these 2 faggots can also get the buff as well for no reason) >according to the shitcord, this might be harder than d*rek haha...well, only one way to find out
i won't go over every absolute autistic monstrosity in this fight, i'll 'try' to limit it to the worst of them
>>57026368 thanks bro...but the nightmare never ends, kek...
Anonymous
RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
>>57026317 gg, enjoy the most broken item in the game kek
>>57026364 haha...Godspeed
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
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>>57026392 not only was it not, this 8th gym is just the end of the current build kek
the other evil team leader, the final rival gauntlet, victory road and the E4 are all next with whatever inhuman bullshit he cooks up for that (he's not used trvly endgame shit like pseudos with their broken final evos or a lot of this game's legendaries and megas)
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
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>>57026405 think it's maxed evs and having all of the pokemon's abilities active at the same time
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
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>>57026405 all abilities active at once
if it's a mega, it gets both the mega ability and the base form abilities (and the base form abilities activate again upon mega evolving, like intimidate for instance)
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
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>>57026407 also thanks, kek
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
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I just had the funniest mental image, Elias stumbling into the leaked documents about Arceus and the creation myths.
That aside, time for hell again.
>>57026317 GG.
>>57026364 Best of luck bro.
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
>>57026407 The item is objectively absurd but I don't even think I need it.
>Starter fire mouse has solo'd nearly the entire game so far, including the water gym I've literally only used Gyarados once and that was to switch in on a ground move. This is a game I feel would benefit from an arbitrary enemy level% password.
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
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>Firs turn of the fight >My Golem immediately gets frozen
Anonymous
>>57023131 Seriously, why are so many fangame makers like this? How is this supposed to be fun? Do they not know what "fun" is, and that it's the purpose of playing games?
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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Charikeks what is this
Anonymous
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>>57026488 There’s this thing called constraint that they don’t understand.
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
i forgot to do the mega count, but whatever, can start it a bit late
ONE (mega), nothing wrong with me
>MEGA FEVESTA: [75,113,66,130,141,81] (PBAbilities,:MAJESTY) (PBTypes,:FAIRY)(PBTypes,:FIGHTING) it can use beat up which hits for 10 times lel, AND has an air balloon because fuck you
but anyway, there's another real problemnigger here
TWO (megas), nothing wrong with me
MEGA SALAMSLAM: (PBAbilities,:SHEERFORCE) (PBTypes,:WATER)(PBTypes,:POISON)
Abilities=TORRENT,POISONTOUCH
HiddenAbility=SWIFTSWIM
HeldItem= LIFEORB
HP: 83
ATK: 152 (!!)
DEF: 90
SPA: 113
SPD: 102
SPE: 95
for reference that is
252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 96 Def Mew: 361-426 (89.3 - 105.4%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tentacruel Liquidation vs. 252 HP / 96 Def Mew in Rain: 363-426 (89.8 - 105.4%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
and of course, the ursaluna in this scenario is not getting another life orb boost like the water/poison mon in this game is
>>57026488 thankfully, levels of autism like we're witnessing here are pretty rare
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
Shuckle....you truly are a reliable guy.......
RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
>>57026446 kek, fair
iirc I solo'd the rest of the game with it on a Gallade, outside of like one singular fight
>>57026488 The problem is that the retarded mods like that are made by ""people"" who DO find it fun, and somehow there's a nonzero amount of retards that play it and also find it fun
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
>>57026511 this fight or consort radahn?
>>57026516 gg
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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>check wack's wiki >a literal tranny janny from fandom vandalized it again because xhe HATES the idea of people forking off of fandom bruh
can't wait for this game's only wiki to go down because of tranny jannies
>>57026521 or maybe there's some that don't really find playing it that fun but instead find it more fun to torment people with them
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
Kricketune's is pretty good, but Zebstrika's cry sounds like it got its tail slammed in a car door or something.
>>57026516 GG
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
Elena ran out of roadblock ideas I see.
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
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InternalName=BAABREEZE
Type1=NORMAL
Type2=FLYING
BaseStats=85,85,60,120,100,85
Abilities=CLOUDNINE
HiddenAbility=GALEWINGS
HeldItem=POWERHERB
Power Herb in this game lets you use 2-turn attacks indefinitely - it doesn't get consumed
so this nigger can just spam priority sky attacks all day kek
the other mon is 144 special attack 116 speed and spams screens too (at least, it has defeatist for an ability)
>>57026522 i think i'd probably fight level 1 radahn 5 more times before ever touching this game again, at least they nerfed radahn kek
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
One more before I hop off.>>>>>>>>>>>>Cucking this guy is now a running joke
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
InternalName=BEAUTIFIN
Type1=WATER
Type2=PSYCHIC
BaseStats=90,70,130,90,115,105
Abilities=MAGICBOUNCE,SHELLARMOR
HiddenAbility=STAMINA
Beautifin signature move: Scale Bash - 110 BP Physical Water move with Body Press' function.
when do you decide to say 'i stop' when overbuffing a pokemon? holy fucking shit
InternalName=DRACOFLY
Type1=BUG
Type2=DRAGON
BaseStats=65,105,60,130,90,65
Abilities=SPEEDBOOST,TINTEDLENS
HiddenAbility=MOXIE
and also just give it first impression too, because why not
>>57026516 GG
>>57026551 have a pleasant rest of your day bro
Anonymous
Anonymous
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
this one deserves a post all on its own>Cross Guard: Halves damage taken if the opponent moves before the user.
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
Radomus is still Trick Room based right? Probably easy prey for my Rock types if so.
>>57026522 >>57026532 >>57026561 Danke bros.
>>57026586 >Radical Red(dit) is bad because it gives a gym leader a magnet rise effect--Moto the tranny RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
>>57026516 gg
>>57026568 Ghost loli is for headpats only
>>57026586 Aquadbros....he's finally good......
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
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Wait, king's rocks still drop off of wild Poliwhirl right? I'm optimizing a team for massive cheese against Radomus.
>>57026612 Thanks bro.
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
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how in the absolute mother of fuck does this thing not learn trick room
i'm almost positive 100% sure that i've seen a bossmon version of one of these faggots use trick room on me, in fact i can recall the exact fucking trainer
>>57026600 >>57026612 it's, um, balanced because, uh....the player can get the base form of the mon (which has like 78 attack or something kek)
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
>Poliwag aren't available In Belrose Manse anymore
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
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>>57026660 rain is too broken for the player to have, prs understandu
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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next stop is romero city
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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now i have my first truly wack dragon
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
Anonymous
>>57026488 Some people genuinely enjoy these. They genuinely enjoy grinding their asses off and facing barely winnable odds based on counter teaming. It requires a certain degree of autism, but it strikes something special. I don't play kaizo but I have played really stupidly obtuse and unfair games before like the early Wizardry series and I genuinely love it even when it makes me tear my hair out, so I kind of get it.
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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also rate the female wack grunts/10
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
there it is, bros.....after 1 hour in, i finally see it, the final boss
InternalName=BULKER
Type1=FIGHTING
BaseStats=140,135,105,60,30,80
Abilities=QUICKFEET,INTIMIDATE
HiddenAbility=IRONFIST
>comes out pre-paralyzed to get the quick feet buff lol
at the very least, it's not the mega version, and it at least it also doesn't have guts
so in total, this team is
>2 busted megas that casually hit harder than guts ursaluna while also having swift swim and a busted defensive ability >two other swift swim users >yet another dark/poison mega with 10 hit beat up and an air balloon >an electric/flying strict upgrade on archeops with screen cancer >whatever the fuck >>57026561 is >a mon that freely spams priority sky attacks and also cucks changing weather strategies >this monster i'm almost free...
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
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>you can't get to level 62 despite beating level 61 pokemon because...um....gosh diddly darnit how dare you have any advantage over the enemy whatsoever
Anonymous
>>57026773 >Whiteout counter: ϪϪϪ Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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Hey Orevald I think you'll appreciate this :^)
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57026793 that's not the symbol for thrembo
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
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>change one minor team on my thing >AI begins acting completely differently >change it back >AI continues acting in the different, very suboptimal way
Anonymous
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
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Went to make dinner.>The fucking path to reaching Radomus now is a hell gauntlet of absolute utter turd shit fuck garbage ass misery torture "fights" on Ch*ess F*eld
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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welp that's the first whiteout in a while
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
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>Sucker Punch is hitting my Pokemon even if they don't attack
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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and second try went much better
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
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>Loaded Dice available in the wall of Radomus' gym room >The department store still seells both quick claws AND bright powders
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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all you had to do was get in the fucking ball
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
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>The AI is outright cheating with turn priority, it's not even bothering with the dogshit ch*ess mechanics >Either that or it's using negative EVs
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
the solorock and lunatone double combo might be getting on my nerves more then the dodonzo shuffle. also this isn't bullshit statwise but why the hell does mandibuzz have weak armor? how the does that even work? yeah slugma can have it before macargo but that's like a grandfather clause kinda thing, why does this vulture have it
kaizofagjak.png
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I-I-IS THAT A LEGENDARY BEING OBTAINED WITH JUST 4 BADGES
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
>Gardevoir gains +3 special attack and special defense on entry >Gains a further +1 in both defenses from both fields >Has a 200 power Psychic move that hits Dark types >Again with the blatantly illegal speed EVs or cheating turn mechanics, I don't know which SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH..............I miss Empire......I can't believe I'm saying this.......
>>57027039 GG.
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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on a serious note someone should probably make a 'jak mocking kaizotroons
i'll pay about uuuuuuh 3 and a half reddit karma and an image of a very important bird to someone who makes anything sufficiently gemmy
>>57027048 you downloaded a kaizo hack, what were you expecting?
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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>Bill's PC
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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Holy shit first natural shiny in the playthrough
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
Wagie or RG, do any of you know where the AI cheat to evade Wide Guard is? I want to delete it.
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
hold on, is this El actually getting bennet that spot in the elite 4? if that's the case then ame is a shit and it makes the bennett/laura team up way weirder
RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
>>57027095 Yeah I don't remember exactly the order of events, but there was some mindrape involved iirc, like I'm pretty sure Laura was mindraped at some point to get her signature on a resignation form to send to Ame, and I guess Ame was also mindraped to terminate Laura, it's a mess kek
>>57027091 No idea kek, I barely look at the AI scripts
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
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I think I found it, I just need to figure out what variable I need to change.
>>57027095 Ame just accepts the resignation note despite finding it weird, the troon is extremely incompetent at running the region.
>>57027124 Noted.
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
IT'S
FUCKING
OVER
>won (probably) because of a flinch I DO NOT FUCKING CARE.
and now for the customary reprisal. repeat after me:
FUCK JANNIES
FUCK NIGGERS
FUCK MOTO
FUCK KAIZOMODS
FUCK NIGGERS X 12
FUCK DEMICE
FUCK DISCORD
FUCK REBORNCORD
FUCK JANNIES
FUCK SOLAR LIGHT/LUNAR ECLIPSE
FUCK NIGGERS
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL..........
FUCK HIROYUKI AND FUCK MOOT
Final Whiteout Counter: broken
it's probably ~530 https://streamable.com/bacc3j Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
I HOPE I NEVER SEE YOU AGAIN.
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
>>57027143 G FUCKING G.
FUCK THE JANNIES
FUCK PAVEMENTS APES
FUCK MOTO'S DEMENTED FAGGOTRY
FUCK KAIZOSHART MODS
FUCK NIGNOGS X 200000000000000000
FUCK DEMICE AND HIS DOGSHIT TRANNY MAGNET HACK THAT SPAWNED ALL OF THESE MISTAKES
FUCK TROONPEDOCORD
FUCK (((REBORNCORD)))
FUCK THE FUCKING DIPSHIT INCOMPETENT JANNIES
FUCK SOLAR SHART/LUNAR DIARRHEA
FUCK NIGGERS
AND FUCK THE ABSOLUTELY AUTISTIC RETARDS WHO CREATED THIS ABOMINATION OF A SITE AND THEN SOLD IT TO KIKES
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
>>57027143 FUCK JANNIES
FUCK NIGGERS
FUCK MOTO
FUCK KAIZOMODS
FUCK NIGGERS X 12
FUCK DEMICE
FUCK DISCORD
FUCK REBORNCORD
FUCK JANNIES
FUCK SOLAR LIGHT/LUNAR ECLIPSE
FUCK NIGGERS
FUCK HIROYUKI
AND FUCK MOOT
anyways /vp/ plays Outside multi-LP when? i heard every copy is personalized
RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
>>57027143 G fucking G bro
>>won (probably) because of a flinch Win's a win kek
>>57027159 what...? but your moto mandated 10 rival battles in victory road....?
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
alright
i've come down after that....fulfilling use of time
this is the waterfall item, there's one last batch of items i guess i can go get
>game crashes after you get this item kek
thankfully i saved after the waterniggers
>>57027039 GG
>why the hell does mandibuzz have weak armor? i assume it's the bone motif, iirc doesn't it wear like a bone skirt or something
>>57027166 >>57027168 >>57027173 thanks lads. let freedom ring
>Win's a win kek maybe (big maybe) if it had targeted my electric dog at the end instead of the archeops clone, i could have killed it with squall blow/thunder when i got out of defeatist with parabolic charge
but the nigger did have an assault vest, so i don't know kek
can't wait for the mega version with levitate, electric/fighting, an assault vest and pre-para'd for quick feet
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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oh wow a natural shiny of something I already have
also on an unrelated note I wanna fuck cute tomboys but the world economic forum won't allow it
>>57027182 >game crashes after you get this item https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k0SmqbBIpQ Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
>>57027143 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T23Wa-zM4k don't pay attention to the video art it's just for the theme fucking congrats, thank god you can stop playing that absolute piece of bullshit.
FUCK JANNIES
FUCK MOTO
FUCK MOTO ONCE MORE
FUCK KAIZOMODS
FUCK DEMICE
FUCK SHITCORD
FUCK REBORNCORD
FUCK JAN
FUCK AME
FUCK AYREI
FUCK WHOEVER MADE FULL MOON
FUCK THE SORS SERIES
FUCK THE LAST 30% OF EoE
AND FINALLY
FUCK HIROMOOT AND MOOT
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
I am not literate enough with coding to figure this out, I'll give it a few more attempts before inevitably losing what's left of my sanity. Also.
>Mountain Gale had it's accuracy to absolute shit despite it already being a 85% accuracy move that is only available to Hisuian Avalugg, one of the worst Pokemon ever I-I..........I have no fucking words.....genuinely no fucking words..........
>>57027198 GG, Charlotte is a massive bitch on Anything Goes.
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
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>>57027189 thanks bro
>you can stop playing that absolute piece of bullshit. until next time, haha..
President Ose !!dPKMDSRM24z
>>57027143 Congrats for escaping hell, now your mind can actually rest for a bit
FUCK JANNIES
FUCK NIGGERS
FUCK MOTO
FUCK KAIZOMODS
FUCK NIGGERS X 12
FUCK DEMICE
FUCK DISCORD
FUCK REBORNCORD
FUCK TROONS
FUCK SOLAR LIGHT/LUNAR ECLIPSE
FUCK NIGGERS
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL..........
FUCK HIROYUKI AND FUCK MOOT
RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
>>57027182 kek
>maybe (big maybe) if it had targeted my electric dog at the end instead of the archeops clone I thought the same but then figured/assumed that it'd probably focus on that first since the other electricfag dealt no damage, but what do i know, I stopped at gym 5 with little to no understanding of any of the pokemon i was using kek
>>57027198 gg
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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alright now that that shit is over can writefag/drawfag come back
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
KILL YOURSELF NOW.
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
and all the shit i got from waterfall
that's
>acrobatics TM >solarbeam TM >fire blast, blizzard, and thunder TMs >a life orb >mega stones for my electric dog, the 170 atk drizzle narwhal thing, and the spider of speed lowering all good rewards, but nothing compares the feeling of not having to play this game again for...a while
NOW, it is over
>>57027218 thanks bro.
>>57027198 GG
>>57027219 >with little to no understanding of any of the pokemon i was using kek yeah kek that really is the kicker
even i, who played through the base game, but then also this kaizomod up to the 7th gym previously, STILL found that last grunt stretch and the final gym there to be absolutely unbearable, i couldn't imagine trying to do it without a solid knowledge base at all kek
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
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>A meteor gauntlet right after this absolute cancer >A billion focus sashes >Pokemon getting boosts for free >Field changing bullshit Siiiiiiiiiiiiigh...................
>>57027284 Congrats, at least the pain is over......for now......
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
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>PULSE 3 Scolipede outta nowhere with Swift Swim, Speed Boost and Poison Point >It also has a Waterium-Z just in case you thought you could switch anything that resists it's STAB >>57027301 Thanks bro.
Anonymous
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>>57027039 >why does this vulture have it I always assumed it was because Vullaby wears a skull as a diaper, while Mandibuzz has a jawbone it wears as a skirt. It fits Vullaby more, admittedly, since more of its body surface is covered than Mandibuzz's is.
RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
>>57027264 gg
>>57027284 gg again, hopefully he doesn't finish this shit anytime soon, haha...
>i couldn't imagine trying to do it without a solid knowledge base at all kek It wasn't fun kek
Maybe if I felt like looking at the pbs to see what all my shit (3 boxes of shit at gym 5 i think) could do, it wouldn't be THAT bad, but knowing fuckall about any of the pokemon is the main reason I never picked it back up, and probably won't do so when the final version comes out
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57027264 GG bro
>>57027337 yeah, for as much as moto loves to jerk off that his games are different from nuzshart calculator simulators, i really did spend a fuckton of this run studying the entire PBS to see "which pokemon has this move or offense stat i might need" "which pokemon has this speed stat" "what is this pokemon's speed stat so i can figure out if it's timid or +atk/spa" and this is with prior knowledge of roughly what every pokemon did beforehand
but it's okay bro, we could have beaten it with a 'small rotation' of mons :^)
Jagi !!vAq/4B8tWXO
>>57027143 gg brother
FUCK JANNIES
FUCK NIGGERS
FUCK MOTO
FUCK KAIZOMODS
FUCK NIGGERS X 12
FUCK DEMICE
FUCK DISCORD
FUCK REBORNCORD
FUCK JANNIES
FUCK SOLAR LIGHT/LUNAR ECLIPSE
FUCK NIGGERS
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY OF ALL..........
FUCK HIROYUKI AND FUCK MOOT
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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Legendary catch fails: 2
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
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Who the fuck are these two?
Oh also, I just found out the tranny who made Yang for whatever reason disabled Pokemon becoming king pieces by having a king's rock.
>>57027337 >>57027360 Thanks bros.
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
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>>57027365 thanks bro. good luck on wrangling the rest of the tards in your own game
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
>>57026705 To an extent I agree. I don't really have an upper limit on the amount of difficulty to overcome an obstacle that I enjoy if it's well enough designed. My issue is most of the methods these "designers" use to create challenge is exceptionally uninspired and is based around the premise that the player will have both the best possible team for any given fight as well as the best possible RNG for any given fight via infinite repetitions until they win. This creates fights that, no matter how obtuse finding the "winning line" through them is, is ultimately still a trial and error exercise with unlimited resources (on a macro scale, being both attempts and access to all the previous pokemon the game has given you access to thus far) given enough time. The game fundamentally assumes your time isn't valuable and doesn't actually test other skills than preparation, no matter how input read-y the AI is because it still (largely) follows the same path in any situation with minimal variance leaving improvisation and on-the-fly adaptation entirely out of the game. Edge of Eternity was really onto to something by making the Sageniggers have a pool of 8 or so possible mons and randomize which ones and the order they appear in on each attempt. A combination of that and an AI that sometimes chooses the 2nd best option in any given situation (provided the variance between the best and 2nd best is within a certain delta) would also go a long way to make fights less trial-and-error scriptfests. Clover's AI is, as far as memory goes, still the shining paragon of what the AI in a "hard pokemon game" should or shouldn't be doing.
>>57027143 G fucking G.
FUCK JANNIES
FUCK NIGGERS
FUCK MOTO
FUCK KAIZOMODS
FUCK NIGGERS X 12
FUCK DEMICE
FUCK DISCORD
FUCK REBORNCORD
FUCK JANNIES
FUCK SOLAR LIGHT/LUNAR ECLIPSE
FUCK NIGGERS
FUCK HIROYUKI AND FUCK MOOT
>>57027284 Take a well earned break bro. GG once again.
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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and that frees me from legendary catching hell for a while
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
So, Piplup and Chespin are both available now, so what stand-in Fire types am I getting in their stead, Incineroar (forgot about the VGC demon last time), Infernape or/and Blaziken?
RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
>>57027360 I can imagine, especially at the end kek
>but it's okay bro, we could have beaten it with a 'small rotation' of mons :^) haha...
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
>>57027412 would speed boost blaziken be worthwhile?
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
>>57027417 and by "small rotation" we mean the entire dex
>>57027428 now's a pretty good time to get a blaziken and hope it's kenough to cope with all the bullshit that came out of Yangdev's dilated neovagina
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
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>>57027428 I'll get it, it's pretty bleh T B H due to the dev *ACK*ing Protect, but a really fast Fire/Fighting should still have value, heck Emboar surprisingly came in clutch a fair bit already as is.
Jagi !!vAq/4B8tWXO
ahahhahahahahhahahhahahhahahahahhahahhahah finally
i think that's the first time i've actually had to rig it (so that swampert wouldn't die to machine gun)
https://streamable.com/d5urei >>57027433 u only get 100 or so mons out of ~1000 total in kaizoshit (none of which are any good aside from the devs' favorites) so it is technically a small rotation
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57027379 thanks bro. and beautifully put
>>57026705 and one more thing i will say, i did miss this earlier, is that the end of the day a lot of these games just are not that actually difficult.
ashime basically said this, like i'm not being tested on anything other than just sheer patience and how much i can exploit minor flaws in the AI to eventually come to a win. all i'm doing for all of these fights is just repeating the same repetitive 5-6 first turns and slowly chipping away until i find the right counter or the right AI exploit that i find acceptable. it's not 'difficult' to find these things, it's just kind of random and/or extremely obvious based on the nature of the fight. it also doesn't help that for a lot of these kaizoshit hacks you have to slowly find out what the AI even has in terms of items, pokemon, abilities, moves, etc. which just slowly drag up the playtime so you can establish what counters/mons are viable, and all that happens as you go along is the pool of viable shit shrinks to nothing
it's a great paradox, that when you rocket the difficulty to these kinds of levels you produce gameplay that's...unironically kind of easy just because the way i have to play ends up being so careful and controlled.
and if they're not that hard, they're not interesting, they don't introduce any new ideas, and they're leeching off existent games and just making them strictly worse, why the fuck do they even exist. you bring up wizardry but man wizardry is literally the genesis of modern rpgs, sure it may not be the most balanced thing but it has merit on that alone. mods like this are completely and utterly pointless
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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holy shit that resprite goes hard
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
>>57027449 gg.
>abomasnow gunned down with one bullet tired of these hate crimes towards ice types
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
I'm not sure if this is a date or a confrontation. I'm not entirely sure she knows either given the way she invited the player here.
>>57027428 Bulk Up in Combusken's learnpool and Speed Boost make the meme chicken good even without protect.
>>57027449 GG. Best of luck with what's coming up.
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57027449 GG. fuck DEUS all my niggas hate DEUS
hope you're prepared for your first g*dlike mon next, haha..
>>57027417 >>57027433 tbf, 200-300 mons could be considered a 'small rotation' in some circles
i actually DID try to keep my used mon count low, but still ended up using about 2 dozen or so kek, if not more
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
I tried to make this more interesting by not using the fire rat.
>>57027453 It's funny because a lot of the philosophy of the password codes in there sphere of influence suggests they're trying to reduce as much randomness as possible (taken to its logical extreme by shit like Wingdings changes to Shed Skin). They know deep down there's a problem with the design, but aren't quite self-aware enough yet to realize what it is and are only treating systems rather than the root cause.
Shit this really starts to parallel a lot of Maxx C discourse in yugioh kek.
>>57027473 Did he at least give good leveling/EVing/IV fixing methods?
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
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Normally level 30 feels really early in fangames and I suppose by badge count it still is, but it also feels like a lot has happened so far in Realidea progressionwise leading to this point. The sidequests undoubtably played a huge role in this. That's a hallmark of a rich and full game to me.
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
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>Our plan is to give everyone the power to enslave pokemon, but then take it away when they've become complacent with it so the bad people see they're wrong when they no longer obey
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
>Craudburry's fight now takes place in a super buffed and cancerous version of corrosive field >Non-Poison types get fucked even harder now SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH............I'm calling it a night very soon.
Also, still need another Fire choie between Incineroar and Infernape, I'm highly leaning towards Incineroar.
>>57027449 GG.
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
>>57027512 Intimidate Snarlbot will go a long way in the lategame keeping it relevant in a lot of fights where its statline/typing alone wouldn't.
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57027486 evs don't exist, all IVs are set to 31
>leveling method haha...well, how leveling works is that if you defeat a pokemon with lower level, you gain 0 exp, but if you beat a pokemon at or above your level it gives some
so, how it works is that for things like gyms, if you find them too difficult you're encouraged to fight the gym and lose over and over to slowly level grind one above the gym's mons (gym leaders usually having a team of level X pokemon with their ace at level X + 1). this also applies for rivals/other bosses as well, even if it's annoying as fuck to walk the distance back to try again
the grunts during the hell section game over you so you can't take advantage of this there (and so the final evil team leader has 1-2 levels over you), and the final gym hardcaps at you level 61
basically how it worked in urmumium, but a bit more faggoty, as is the usual
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57027512 seconding incineroar, intimidate alone honestly is huge since it's probably like top 10 abilities in any difficultyshart hack
Jagi !!vAq/4B8tWXO
>>57027461 >>57027467 >>57027512 >>57027473 thx boys
now to finally deal with vordev and whatever he pulls on me
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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gonna brb for now
party screenshot
may or may not have decided to take matters into my own hands with fixing dreepy's rediculous evolution level (and to be honest I have 3 legendaries in my box anyways so it's not really cheating)
>>57027453 I feel like so many people either accidentally or deliberately confuse "tedious" for "hard"
>>57027512 get the VGC cat I guess
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
>>57027518 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The game encourages you to abuse the damage formula at certain level ranges Ohnonononono. Please tell me Moto has minimum levels on each fight to stop silly shit like level 5-10 Skill Link multihit sweepers.
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
I love you Skeledirge, I don't care your design is a bit too toy like and overdone, you are the best blessing to come out of gen 9 and I will forever cherish you.
>>57027516 >>57027521 Noted bros, EL GATO will surely put in work, especially in doubles.
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57027545 oh, you might have misunderstood me, it doesn't level scale with you or anything. what i meant by level X is like, the second gym has a team of level 18 mons, but then his ace is level 19, so what will likely happen is i get to the fight with level 18 mons and slowly beat up his mons until i'm at level 19
the rough level curve is something like, based on the badges, 13-19-23-28-35-51-57-61 or something iirc
>>57027540 GL bro.
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
>>57027540 Good luck... You're at the hardest fight in the main story.
>>57027553 For all of Gen 9's problems, I don't think bad mon designs was a big one. There's quite a few winners in there.
>>57027568 That makes a lot more sense.
Jagi !!vAq/4B8tWXO
>>57027540 why the fuck does hal's primarina know POUND
POUND
THATS WHAT I DO TO IT NOT WHAT I DO TO BEAT A 200 DEFENSES DARK CELEBI
what the FUCK
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57027545 oh also as far as
>Skill Link multihit sweepers. there's literally a single one in the entire game goy :^)
don't worry though the AI gets to enjoy complimentary 4 or 5 natural multihit variances (often stacked with some other bullshit like technician) free of charge
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
Hexosexo #3.
>>57027581 >why the fuck does hal's primarina know POUND Given how clearly this game pushes pokefucking, even allegorically via fusion, you know goddamn well why it knows pound.
>>57027586 >AI gets free Loaded Dice You hate to see it.
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
This fucker right here in front of Archer was randomly made into an absolute cancerous hail gank fight for seemingly no good reason. I'm calling it a night, I'll stomach so more torture tomorrow.
>>57027580 There are but I genuinely loathe quite a few like Flamigo (especially now that I saw the beautiful scrapped flamenco flamingo from gen 6), I dislike Quaqaval, I HATE Dudunsparce, Tinkatroon might be the Pokemon with the most obnoxious and demented fanbase of troons I have ever seen, to the point I utterly loathe even seeing this thing and I'm someone who likes Seviper unironically despite the pajeet taking it as his mascot and there's a few others that I have really mixed feelings about like Baxcalibur due to it's ugly and lifeless posture.
>>57027581 >Brionne is one of the two Pokemon in the game with a 420 stat total that also just so happens to have 69 as both it's attack and defense stats Gamefreak knew very well what they were doing, the Empyrean devs did too.
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>>57027591 built for titfucks
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
>click trash >CMD window comes up >browser opens youtube link to Rickroll IT WAS YOU. YOU STARTED THIS HORRID TREND.
>>57027637 All my niggas hate Tinkatrannies. I've warmed up to the twerkduck because it's fun to use. I'm not a big fan of Flamigo either, but I'm neutral on dudunsparce, who really comes across more like gamefreak shitposting than a serious mon design. I really like Baxcalibur; he strikes me as an orphaned gen 1 design visually and I appreciate that.
Anonymous
>>57027673 Reminder that this adorable nigga hits just as hard as tinkatroon can without needing some overcompensation hammer
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
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Autofellatio rat has been acquired.
>>57027686 Based.
Anonymous
>>57027777 GET soon
let's claim it and maybe summon drawfag again to post something kino before his next vacation
Jagi !!vAq/4B8tWXO
Ngl vordev's sprite looks kickass + his theme
Anonymous
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>>57027766 >double dubs nice
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
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>>57027772 it's the genie of healthy meta
here to give us some gifts
>>57027775 off by two, aww
hopefully drawfag at least has inspiration now on what to draw
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
elena release the reminiscia DLC if quads
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
The rocket christmas store is adorable and I'm sure not at all anything nefarious.
>>57027768 Vordev in general is one of the better handled parts of Empyrean in terms of presentation.
>>57027779 Off by 2...The most tragic miss yet.
Jagi !!vAq/4B8tWXO
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>>57027791 Yeah it's cool how they build him up, I was always thinking "when am I gonna go toe to toe with this guy"
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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oh hey a natural shiny that i can't use
time to sacrifice it to the ID gods
>>57027766 well the GET was claimed in a discussion related to tomboys so I guess it's not really a failget
reading it has given me an idea for the rejuv mod involving improving the cute girls via making them tomboys
it's MY mod and I get to choose the openly displayed fetish (tomboys)
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
Jagi !!vAq/4B8tWXO
Jagi !!vAq/4B8tWXO
>will o wisp garchomp >hal uses sparkling aria on it
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
I unironically love this concept for an ice gym.
>>57027857 Welcome to the fangame staple of the 2v2 where your partner is a paid actor and saboteur.
Jagi !!vAq/4B8tWXO
>>57027857 I still won lmao
>hal uses a full waifumons team all good
>hal drops abomaCHAD unacceptable
https://streamable.com/snv3wm Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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>>57027862 unless your partner has a dogshit team in which case the AI might actually act reasonably, not like it'll matter because you'll still be fighting a 6v12 when your partner's mons with garbage sets inevitably faint
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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oh wow a magic guard evasion stall kike
Jagi !!vAq/4B8tWXO
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I don't mind actually fighting a proper battle for once but why not fuse yourself if you knew this was gonna happen
Jagi !!vAq/4B8tWXO
omg so valid
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
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>>57027891 Good luck. The big guy himself is next.
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
what a friendly looking fellow
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
>>57027897 >>>>>>>Zyklon If he doesn't have a weezing this was a terribly missed opportunity.
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
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>>57027881 GG
it's nice to see empyrean gameplay where it's not just giganigga spam on the player's side because that's what you need to muscle past the enemy kek, makes vordev feel appropriately threatening
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
>>57027901 nah
but he did lead a gang of thugs that had one guy with two weezings, back during the lapsy sidequest
there is the Zyklas line which sees use by them
https://pokemonwack.fandom.com/wiki/Zyklas which evolves into uuuuuuh
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
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>>57027909 kek and good enough.
Anonymous
>20:26, 1 April 2021 Kirkburn Message Wall contribs deleted page Gachamber (Highly offensive, please do not restore)
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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swords dance TM
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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the gym in Synth City is dualtype (plastic/glass) and has two sets of rooms
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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due to amazing wack code, the field effect set by one of her mons' mirror capsule basically causes the opponent to skip their turn if they get hit due to a bug
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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yeah her team got swept by tyrantrum
rate/10
you'll get a better view of her tits in the vs portrait
>>57027955 Anonymous
>>57027915 Why not restore it yourself?
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
>thunder never misses on this field because fuck you >hail increases ice type's defense by 1.5x >can't really use fire types >rock type moves gain ice as a secondary, nerfing them >if hail is active, the pulse avalugg will only take 50% of it's bar from a belly drummed high-jump kick from annihilape >you WILL be ice sharded
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
>>57027987 fandom jannies are trannies
i think the janny might have locked it anyways
also the pages on the wack wiki are auto-generated with a script I don't have
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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this is illegal in at least 7 regions
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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oh my fucking god
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57028002 G fucking G
maybe try manually compiling the PBS, they probably added new shit but forgot to recompile
Jagi !!vAq/4B8tWXO
>FEAR doesn't work on WT
Jagi !!vAq/4B8tWXO
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He has a 2nd form that gets new moves, interesting
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
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>>57028077 yeah, unlike the intangiblenogs who you could at least use some status on, WT has godlike, which is the upgraded version
>all moves under 35 BP fail (this includes attacks with variable BP) >can't be affected by intimidate >can't be affected by chip damage etc.
good luck bro. it's probably the hardest fight in the game without using cards or whatever
if you have something with trace, it might not be a terrible idea
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
>>57028054 thanks bro. I probably won't, wouldn't want to mess something up and break the game at this point
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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oh yeah something pretty cool is that Haxorus is dragon/steel in Wack
RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
>>57027881 >>57028002 gg, and good luck on WT jagi
>>57028054 >>57028109 iirc it's not actually a trainertext file that the game compiles, but just a doc copypasted from trainertext, so it's got a lot of errors since I don't think it gets updated often, if at all kek
I just found the teams in the normal trainertext file when i needed to look something up
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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hit 6 dragon rushes in a row
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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total FEARfaggot death
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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how convenient for mons to explode in front of a ghost type
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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now my starter is fully evolved
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
first 6v6
Jagi !!vAq/4B8tWXO
>Run around to grind money off the real estate >shiny nice
>>57028280 looks like jontron
go get em tiger
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
ez sweep
>>57028286 are all the shinies in this game white? seems like the inverse of reborn where most of the shinies are black
Jagi !!vAq/4B8tWXO
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>hessas mimikyu tied her pichu to a tree lmao im glad i started running around
>>57028292 not sure
I know I had a shiinotic that was normal
gg btw
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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and now that I have 6 badges I'll call it a night
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>>57027518 bruh
why do retards have to reinvent the wheel in terrible ways when they’re not just ripping off bad ideas
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>>57028872 bruh we missed it and it got wasted by some bot
so fucking joever
this sucks i’m going to bed
Anonymous
>>57027379 What did Clover do in terms of AI? I haven't looked under the hood.
Anonymous
>>57027915 >>57027987 >>57028011 The do not restore request is by the Wack wiki mods, not the Fandom mods. The reason is that if offensive pages are restored, Fandom may just nuke the whole wiki. They are working (slowly) on moving the wiki elsewhere.
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>>57029073 Nevermind, this one did get got by Fandom. Other "offensive" pages that do have some info are hidden by Wack mods to protect it from Fandom. When a page is completely gone that is Fandom's doing.
BIGFriv
>>57027379 It's been a while since I talked here but I do read, and mate. No.
Your solution is add more RNG? We already had fangames in the past try the random Pokémon thing to teams.
You know what that caused? More soft resets.
Your solution of adding 6-8 Pokémon for the Bosses to choose from AND having the AI sometimes randomly choose the second best move is not going to make the player adapt like you think it will, it simply makes my finger press F12 quicker, and I don't even care that much for difficulty. But that idea of a solution you gave just isn't it. You just made fights longer.
Just gotta accept Pokémon combat will eventually always end up on doing something, checking if it works, if not, reset and try something else.
Fuck I remember beating Cynthia in Gen 4 that way because I refused to go through the E4 again, I spent over an hour just resetting and trying moves in a specific order to force the AI to obey me and so I could predict what it would do. And Gen 4 isn't even hard, imagine that in a game that wants difficulty.
Btw why does it take me over 800s to post something holy fuck I hate this.
Back to working on things.
Anonymous
>>57027379 >>57027453 Thank you for the detailed replies. I want to preface by saying that I have no rapidash in this race; I have no interest in playing kaizo hacks of these games. I wanted to clarify what I said earlier, because the other anon was wondering why people make these or why people might find these fun, and I want to provide some insight.
(1) On a personal enjoyment level, I would point to Wizardry IV as an example of a game where the tedium creates fun for players. One part of the game involves a labyrinth with numerous unmarked teleports and one-way walls. Not only does one need to navigate this maze, but one also needs to map out the maze, because mapping out the maze will turn out to reveal letters embedded throughout each of the multiple levels which one will require far later in the game. The game never suggests that one has to map out the maze, nor does it reveal the existence of one-way walls, teleports, etc. to the player. This maze coexists with the game's combat system, which stacks things far against the player, limiting the player's ability to simply go 'round and 'round. Mapping it requires hours of tedious, frustrating effort, much of which will go towards making no progress whatsoever until the player has comprehended some of the individual tricks such as the unmarked teleports or the one-way doors. Even once the player comprehends the tricks involved, figuring out when one teleports doesn't come easily: did I just teleport or does it look different because I went through a one-way wall? etc.
Yes, people playing it nowadays can simply look up a guide. But the game was originally designed to be played without a guide. Many people, including myself, have played it in its original intent and found that fun. (cont)
Anonymous
>>57029185 Do I think that this is Fair or Good Game Design? Not necessarily. Every component of the design appears geared to waste the player's time and to confound, frustrate, and irritate the player. Why do I find it fun? It's hard to put it into words, but slowly trying it over and over, gradually learning the rules of trickery through trial and error experimentation, and figuring out manners of navigating this hellish landscape and mitigating the rng give me a rush like no other. I do not believe that enjoying these games makes me smarter, better, more hardcore, whatever than other people. I just do enjoy them and find them fun, and I think there's merit to their existence for that alone. Just because most people make fun of Wizardry IV as one of the meanest games ever created doesn't take away what I and others enjoyed about it. It is completely fine for a game to be niche and inaccessible.
(2) Both of you brought up the points that the non-random layout of the team and the AI make it a slow trial and error experience. Yet kaizo games by their nature, from their inception, make the use of such mechanics. The original Kaizo Mario World hacks and games such as I Wanna Be The Guy rely on hidden blocks, forced glitches, sudden changes to the layout, and so on. The opening screen of I Wanna Be the Guy gives a good example: one learns by trial and error which apples will fall, where the hidden blocks appear, that the apples will subsequently fall upwards, and that not all of the apples will fall upwards. One could not possibly make these determinations without failing the level repeatedly by trial and error, steadily inching through the level design and developing a route. One could liken these to the appeal of speedrunning non-kaizo games. (cont)
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>>57029189 Take a game like Metroid, for instance. The rewards for completing the game under different times encourage one to play it repeatedly, gradually routing more and more efficient ways of getting through the game in addition to encouraging the skills required to beat bosses with fewer missiles or less health. I do not see the issue of "this game is unfair, and the challenge is in tedious trial and error" as a bug, but a feature. Kaizo hacks in their purest form are intended to be trial and error challenges combining skill, memorization, and routing. That does not mean that everyone has to enjoy such hacks or that people need to find them fun. But it also does not mean that no one finds them fun.
(3) A fixed enemy team with fairly fixed and exploitable AI requires a different although related set of skills compared to, say, Showdown. Randomized teams or unusual AI that includes elements of RNG can make the fights more fun or interesting for some people! I am working on a fangame of sorts myself right now (not a kaizo or difficulty hack) which includes rival battles and Gym leaders that use variable teams for this exact reason. But not everyone likes this type of challenge. Learning the exact abilities, moves, and capabilities of a team, then how to manipulate the AI, constitutes a different kind of challenge that other people may like better. It also cuts down on the amount of restarting a fight to try to get the perfect team for your particular strategy. The final kaizo hack does have a great deal of restarting too, especially with how move rng works, but at least one has an expected team that one can counterbuild. For myself personally, I prefer the challenge of having to design a team that can stand up to a variety of different builds, rather than one that requires significantly trial and error and particular counterbuilding. But I can understand the joy of building that specific perfect counter and finding that ideal path through the AI. (cont)
Anonymous
>>57029194 (4) I do not mean to defend the specific design decisions in this particular hack. Tedious by design does not mean that every tedious design decision is a good one. I am only seeking to answer the question of, Does anyone find this fun? The answer is yes. I have not been on whatever discord you all keep posting screenshots from, but I do not think that those people are making up the fact that they are having fun or that they are enjoying this. Again, it is perfectly fine for a game to be niche or inaccessible to most players. I find it enjoyable to read the analyses of why the battles are challenging and the strategies required to defeat them, which is why I was reading through the thread. Thanks for reading. /blog
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
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>>57029145 This issue was already solved by the Stadium games as well as every fangame that utilizes boss gauntlets without saving; by having your team be tested by more than 1 boss at a time (or even just regular trainers) or by increasing the iteration time slightly from last save to runback in any way, you greatly disincentivize the player frivolously F12ing for their ideal RNG or path through a fight and create a stronger incentive for them to teambuild for consistency and general use rather than for "silver bullets" of extreme specialists who do a specific job against each of the boss' mons. You could even make the argument that this was the initial intention of the Elite Four+Champion structure and letting players save in between each fight was a concession to keep the game accessible to kids. I'm obviously not saying that every fight should be a gauntlet or require absurd runback to try again, but there's far more systems at play here in the designer's toolbox that they could be utilizing to create difficulty than just create scripted fights.
None of the individual Frontier Brains are particularly hard as single fights, yet getting their Gold Symbols is, by most people's metric, some of the hardest tasks in mainline games because the devs used a variety of techniques to raise the difficulty of the frontier and encourage very different types of teambuilding (although whether or not the gimmick rulesets of any given facility is good or not is entirely a different matter).
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
>>57029185 >>57029189 >>57029194 >>57029197 >Wizardry I've not played Wizardry so I can't comment, but I do think it's only partially applicable as a comparison from what you're describing as grinding out a hard pokemon fight tends to have 2 layers of tedium. The first being catching a team you think will work/EVtraining/IVbreeding/leveling them and the second being working out your "script" for the fight itself. I general think obfuscation of information is one of the softest forms of difficulty, but playing around with the denial of information is a perfectly valid design technique depending on the experience the developer is trying to create.
>Kaizo World and I Wanna Be The Guy definitely do have trial and error in them (far more the latter; the former's trial and error elements are way less prevalent than popular memes suggest) but context is still important; the games inherently have a higher execution barrier than a pokemon game would and in the case of I Wanna Be The Guy (on Hard/default difficulty), most of the gag-kills come right after a section of only middling difficulty, forcing you to gain consistency there (with exceptions like the Spike Corridor being so memorable because they're exceptions to the rule) and overall having a far lower runback time to try again than most games by virtue of being a platformer. I don't think this specific type of design to force consistency necessarily works for pokemon just due to pacing differences between the genres, but that hasn't been for lack of trying; Floral Tempus EX has a section towards the end where you have to beat the main villain 4 times in a row because in-universe he's resetting time and trying to beat you again in a different timeline. 1/2
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
>>57029537 >Kaizo definition argument It really comes down to what you define Kaizo as, but I've played a lot of games that don't fall under that definition that I'd easily classify as harder yet others that aren't "kaizo difficulty" that execute the mechanical elements of a kaizo game better.
An easy example of the latter is the puzzle battles in Pokemon Salt & Shadow (formerly Perish Song). These fights mog 99% of hyper precise option limiting kaizo games by not giving you pretenses of mon choice nor obfuscating what the "correct" setup is and leave it to you to work out how to assemble the pieces of the puzzle you have. I suspect a lot of current kaizo designers will eventually come to the conclusion that an entire game full of this specific implementation is what they're trying to create with enough introspection on the design (looking at LAWDS in particular here).
>Teambuilding I'm of the belief that generalist teambuilding and adapting on the fly is the crux of what pokemon is on pretty much every level outside of fangames. In a casual playthrough you take your 6 niggas and don't really swap around much outside of liking a new mon you caught. In competitive you tend to pick a team you think will have the best chances against all of the other archetypes of teams in the metagame and is best able to answer specific threats while posing your own in the process while also accepting that pokemon is inherently a game with high variance built into every facet of it. It's only in fangames or romhacks where the dynamic of the player having unlimited tries and only needs to beat a specific boss once does this model get distorted and you start getting stuff like the LAWDS changelog screencaps because they're trying to brute force the mechanics of Pokemon to fit a paradigm it's poorly suited for at worst or requires heavy modification to core mechanics (beyond individual moves/abilities etc, changing the way fights work entirely) to accommodate at best.
Anonymous
>>57029566 >>57029537 I'm confused about what your argument is. The anon you're replying to is explaining why some people might find this style of game fun. Are you arguing that they're not having fun or that they're having fake fun or something?
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
The court mandated Looker cameo.
>>57029537 I niggered the greentext here, sorry.
>>57029571 No, my argument is that while these specific elements of the game can produce fun and I can see what parts of it people like, I think there's far better ways to create the gameplay loop they're looking for than any kaizo hack/fangame we've played in these threads.
I'm arguing against the implementation of the current field of kaizo games trying to force a square peg into a triangle hole mechanically when there's a perfectly suitable square hole for it.
Anonymous
>>57029566 >These fights mog 99% of hyper precise option limiting kaizo games by not giving you pretenses of mon choice nor obfuscating what the "correct" setup is and leave it to you to work out how to assemble the pieces of the puzzle you have. But crafting a team to make a particular unfair retarded encounter your bitch is half the fun. Puzzle battles are cool too don't get me wrong but it's like telling someone that building a Lego tower is cringe and they should play Jenga instead. Jenga is cool too but if I'm in the mood for building instead, I like the option.
Anonymous
>>57029585 Ok, that's fair. I hope that more games comes out that you personally find fun. I hope the current field of kaizo continues too because I find them fun kek.
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
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Silver down.
>>57029592 It seems the kaizo community is of two minds about this then, with how aggressively the devs seek to limit the options of anything they deem "cheese" for their fights. LAWDS being the obvious and low hanging fruit for this, of course. I personally think that the moment the developer adopts an adversarial mindset against their players in the way Wingdings clearly has the resulting game is doomed to failure, but obviously LAWDS is not the entire genre.
>>57029595 I just want more interesting games in general teebeedesu. This general has played a lot of stuff and I love seeing how creative some of these fangame makers can be, regardless of the difficulty of the game.
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57029571 >>57029566 >>57029197 Truthfully, honestly, when you get past a lot of this I really don't think it's as worth as scrutiny as you guys are making it out
The obvious reason is that a lot of retards think the kaizogames are 'hard', and by beating and showing off recordings of their accomplishments they feel validated in the eyes of their tiny community. I really don't think a lot of them find this actually fun kek. It's the same reason why Rejuv Intense got removed in the first place, it's always the simplest reason, elitism
This is why I emphatically repeat that game design at this level is not 'difficult', it really is just tedious, and that other experiences like, I dunno, Clover or Odyssey, are in actuality a lot more organically and naturally difficult if you're not just poring over trainer documentation.
>>57029145 I think it's moreso in line with "the enemy should not be hyperbuffed to such extreme levels" so the fight feels more organic back and forth rather than just a scriptfest. You can still account for any given mon in the pool but in a way that lets multiple things be viable
I mean SS2 did its own random team generator even the usual urmumium crowd I remember distinctly bitching about it (especially on top of the harder difficulty modes increasing bad RNG for the player) so yeah we're aware what the limitations of that are kek.
Also good luck on your game bro.
>Btw why does it take me over 800s to post something holy fuck I hate this The site is both being run by idiots and overrun by idiots that warrant a 15 min timer on 'new IPs'
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
R8 Christmas Rocket/10
>>57029613 While I completely agree with your assessment that there's a lot of exactly the mentality you've described in the 'cord and among that community in general, I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that there might just be a handful of autists who enjoy that type of gameplay loop just like a similar kaizo subgenre has emerged from stuff like Mario Maker with players who genuinely enjoy it.
Anonymous
>>57029613 What makes Clover and Odyssey hard to you? As in, what do you think contribute to their organic difficulty?
Anonymous
>>57029613 I'm sure some people are just waving their epeens when they win, like Dark Souls PC players back in the day, but there are others who like it for real. Look up I Wanna Be Maker on Steam for examples of other vibrant kaizo communities. You may argue that it's different because it's a platformer and not turn based, but I assure you that there are people who unironically ENJOY these games. Just because it isn't enjoyable for you doesn't mean that nobody on the planet likes it. I think Gholdengo is one of the ugliest pokémon of all time but many people love it. Even though some people like being special snowflakes who like unpopular pokémon simply because they're unpopular, many other clearly sincerely love it. I don't think they're all faking it.
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57029625 It's true, but given a large enough sample size I'm sure you'll find someone who eventually likes something when it comes to video games. There's probably a good hundred people that enjoy Superman 64 kek.
When the pervasive attitude is shit like "Demice is the genius of our generation", "Urmumium and SLLDE are the best games ever made" (even spouted by people who have literally never played either), "Radical Reddit is terrible because it doesn't fit OUR mold for difficulty and isn't le hard enough" you know what you're dealing with
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
That was a cute sidequest.
>Looker wants you to investigate Team Rocket's toystore >They're not doing anything shady and it's exactly what it appears to be at a glance >>57029650 I wonder how much the consolidation of the internet into centralized hubs has contributed to the sheer density of reborncord and its adjacents being the way it is? A while ago there was a dedicated community on the I Wanna Be The Guy forums who just liked hard games in general but there wasn't anywhere near the amount of retards caught in the orbit of an organically formed community that ostensibly there is now in the 'cord. I've seen firsthand that communities like what
>>57029644 suggests exist do occur and it's unfortunate that the current mentality of a lot of newer internet communities is that gatekeeping retards is bad when it's a necessary part of building any group either online or irl.
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57029644 Like I said
>>57029650 that's fair, but I think the group of people who unironically enjoy these mods is so small that they could be disregarded
That, and the fact that they frequently get drowned out by underageb& kaizoniggers that take the worst behavior possible from these projects and use it to infect other games and bring them down means that whatever microscopic amount of legitimate goodwill there is is moot.
Also, you keep referring to other games, but man, other games, original IPs usually have a lot more offer besides their difficulty. I Wanna Maker is a free extremely well made level editor that allows for all the wackiness and the funny kaizo traps from IWBTG and you do need some skill to perform techniques in platforming. I can walk you through how I did
>>57027143 but there really wasn't a lot of skill involved. Mods like this, specifically Urmumium, SLLDE, and Madame Moto, offer NOTHING beyond their slog gameplay that's ultimately not even mechanically difficult kek. If they were their own unique game instead of leeching off an established fangame (also often without the creator's own permission) I'd be considerably less harsh on them
>>57029635 It's really nothing serious. A competent AI, well made enemy teams with strong movesets, maybe an overarching battle strategy like sand or rain that has to be accounted for, etc.
The reason I say they're 'harder' than shit like the kaizoshart games is because I don't feel the need to run a script and retry a battle 100000000 times to get the AI to act in the most optimal way possible or just carefully assemble specific counterteams to get past an obstacle. The less overtuned enemies incentivize working with what you have and planning/reacting on the fly rather than just constructing a boring simulation where you can never possibly lose
Anonymous
Who's the real retard here? The guy who likes ballbustingly tedious boring games and enjoys his time with them, or the guy who plays a type of game he doesn't like and seethes about it?
Anonymous
>>57029737 NTA but can you walk me through how you figured out a team and strategy for that last battle? I'm honestly curious. It sounds like a fun read.
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57029692 It's that, and I assume just size is also a factor. Any site/forum/chatroom that grows to the size of Reborncord is eventually going to have minor subgroups of retards that can flourish since they start banding together, and then you get enough of those that the overall quality of the group as a whole comes down. The kaizoniggers for what it's worth are not even remotely the worst part of 'borncord, that would be #rejuv-general
The kaizofags on Reborn I think probably started out fine, then as the quality of the 'cord decreased they just started one upping each other until you get the unrecognizable disasters that are shit like
>>57026586 I still remember back when Solaris's Garchomp was considered the most dangerous thing ever put in a Pokemon fangame kek.
>>57029711 godblesselenaformaking(10)variantsofthistrainerclass/(10)
>>57029748 the answer is (You)
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
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This one mechanic of exchanging shards for random TMs has got me stuck in the mining skinnerbox kek.
>>57029761 >I still remember back when Solaris's Garchomp was considered the most dangerous thing ever put in a Pokemon fangame kek. I 'member.
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>57029748 The one who makes them because the latter can't say he doesn't like something without properly finishing it
If someone quits halfway through something or just doesn't touch it at all there will always be the argument of
>You didn't even finish it how do you know if it doesn't get better? Anonymous
>>57029816 The one who makes them is enjoying his life unlike the seethers here.
Anonymous
>>57029816 well clearly it gets better you just have to go through sections even more cancerous than the ones you stopped at and then it’ll definitely get good just trust me and no you WILL NOT wonder why the modder couldn’t have just made the game good throughout the entire game in the first place
it gets good 100 hours in bro trust me
keep gambling!!!!!!!!!
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57029758 to start that opening where bulker hammer arms the mega fevesta i found this out just by chance and very quickly. i noticed when bulker was out the ai liked to target the other slot, so i knew i'd want a protect mon there. i also needed a pokemon that didn't make the fevesta use sludge wave. i also burned a few attempts on figuring out how to make bulker kill the fevesta in one hit (hammer arm + black belt + adamant) eventually i settled on mystablet because it was the optimal way for the AI to act. note i also had to burn quite a few attempts to get up to level 61 in the first place since i started the fight at level 60.
next i also noticed the AI for whatever reason the ai loved to send out a ground-weak pokemon to replace fevesta, markrush or salaslam, so i put EQ on bulker. then i put a storm drain mon on to absorb water moves that i could swap into from mystablet.
for a while then i tried out different strategies that let hydrogon die to salaslam/silvicious while bulker landed another EQ to kill them. the problem is that nothing really worked mostly because the terravolt would come in and start spamming screens. i only access to 3 brick break mons with none of them being particularly good for later in the fight. it was also around this time i realized beautifin and mega smaqua were just impossibly fucking bulky retards that would require nothing short of an electric terrain boosted thunder to kill, and i couldn't have light screen up for when it did.
eventually i figured a better line would be to swap hydrogon back to mystablet to let it die, i tested a few more options here what to send in. the turning point of the entire battle is when i realized when i sent out my own silvicious the AI would send out beautifin and terravolt, and then markrush after terravolt. this makes no fucking sense because as you can see in the vid the silvicious kills both terravolt and markrush easily and the beautifin has terrible targeting as well.
Anonymous
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>>57029825 How can you be so sure when just by looking at what has been posted here of the LAWDs devs they seethe about anyone beating their stuff in ways they don't like and proceed to complain about it being "overpowered" and go nerf everything even related to it
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57029831 >>57029758 it should have sent out one of its fighting types, or baabreeze with priority sky attacks, or whatever. this is what i mean by the battle less requiring skill and more just finding the key mon that causes the AI to behave like an absolute retard.
after that, the battle was pretty much won. i just had to figure out what the AI was doing each turn so I could optimally plan out a path through it. i swap in rushot on the same turn markrush dies so i can have rushot and terravolt at the same time for the e-terrain thunders. the smaqua also has just terrible AI and does not go for priority when it should, it was using rock slide, so i reset and thunder it first to kill. the beautifin goes for a water move, i reset then swap to hydrogon. the dracofly kills hydrogon to get its moxie boost and becomes very annoying afterwards, so i reset and swap to bulker to eat the hit.
my terravolt has defeatist, so i reset and roost to get back my hp to hit hard for later in the battle.
the baabreeze comes out and targets terravolt if i send in rushot, that leaves terravolt in defeatist range, so i reset and send in hydrogon instead to have sky attack target it instead.
the bulker comes out and parabolic charge puts me just above defeatist range. i thought rushot would have done more damage with electric gem crackle slam, but even then if i hadn't got the flinch i would have just reset and put covet on it or something to remove its assault vest (i assume that's what it had, otherwise i don't know how it had so much special bulk).
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so yeah. bottom line is, i didn't really require some exceptional game knowledge, i just had to figure the one breaking point for the AI where it inexplicably did something good for me and then after that it was just a bunch of slow resets until my scripting worked in an optimal way to let me win. also having to avoid the various shitty RNG of course.
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
There's at least 4 different jokes to be made here and they all write themselves.
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
You're in good company sir, you can say niggers here.
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
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>Next Multi-LP planned
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57029858 >>57029855 top fucking kek
is elena one of vs?
Anonymous
>>57029874 well she does know that we deserve eye candy considering how prudish some games we play are (if you’re not gay like Jan)
Anonymous
>>57029838 >>57029831 Thanks, that's a very interesting write up. How difficult is it to raise all of these mons? I saw something about there not being any EVs earlier, so do you need to grind up a new mon from scratch every time or how does it work?
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
Rate.
>>57029874 >>57029881 It's increasingly looking like it.
>eye candy It's not even just the waifus either; spanish fangame culture has a high emphasis on making everything as beautiful as possible, right down to the routes and map layouts & pathing. Comparing the visual design philosophies of the english and spanish fangame communities is like comparing modern and classical architecture aesthetics kek.
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
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>>57029838 >>57029831 oh i guess i should have also mentioned, the AI sending in markrush way too early to die to my silvicious was valuable because A. markrush is faster than anything on my team and B. markrush is water/electric and considerably hard to kill with my own electric mons while also having a hustle + reckless boosted volt tackle and wave crash. it was really the last major obstacle i needed to overcome before my electric terrain mons could properly blast through the rest of the team
other things like dracofly and baabreeze could have posed a problem but were at the very least weak to my attacks and could have their AI messed with
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57029886 it's actually thankfully not difficult at all since you get a infinite rare candy item that lets you raise any mon instantly to the highest leveled pokemon in your party
the QOL is actually admittedly really nice, but it's also to the point where it really feels less like you're playing a game and more a spreadsheet simulator with some RNG involved kek. basically just like modern 'nuzlockes' except hard coded into the game.
Anonymous
>>57029904 Interesting. I believe you'd mentioned previously that IVs are always set to 31 and that there aren't any EVs. Is it reliant on you catching all possible natures etc.?
Anonymous
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>>57029887 10/10
would have loving breeding sex with
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
>>57029921 how it works is when you catch a pokemon, you get sent to these screens where you determine the mon's nature, ability, and hidden power type. changing any of these after the fact requires certain consumables which are very limited (i.e. ability capsules change ability, old gateaus change hidden power type), but you can just go catch more of the same mon if you don't want to spend any consumables. note that evolution stones are very limited so you can't necessarily do this for stone evos
the idea as the dev said is to have a ''''''''small rotation'''''''''' of mons that you use the consumables to adjust your natures and abilities for, but due to how overtuned some of the garbage in the mod gets that's just simply not feasible
RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
it's over
>>57029145 In the context of kaizomods, I think it CAN work as long as you're designing teams (and in the context of SLLDE, designing the fakemon) around it and keeping the team/pokemon "powerlevel" lower to compensate (like in reborn where the glass gauntlet's levels are really low relative to your level cap and also not really tuned too much to fight on factory/short circuit), but obviously something like that won't work by just throwing it in deliberately overtuned kaizo abominations like basically everything from
>>57026511 's fight.
>Btw why does it take me over 800s to post something holy fuck I hate this. Yeah it's fucking retarded kek. good luck on your game
Anonymous
>>57029944 >pic the new update better invlude the ability to hug the many cute girls you’ll encounter
Anonymous
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>>57029952 *include
also
>>57029999 and
>>57030000 soon if you like grabbing repeating numbers for good luck
Anonymous
Anonymous
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
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The cliff notes of this dungeon in one image.
>Infinite loop panel cutscene kek
>>57029944 Checked and I will wife Bijou in the final release.
Anonymous
>>57029993 kek undershot the get
uuuuuuh
*AHEM*
MOTO IS A NIGGER
RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
>>57029999 Checked and based digits.
Anonymous
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>>57029997 >off by 2 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>57029999 nvm i helped you get quads
>>57030000 >got both quads we are SO back
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
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>>57029999 >>57030000 BirdsexoGODS we're so back
Anonymous
>>57029940 Near, thanks. Looks much easier to experiment than I expected. I think I'll give the hack a try. Thanks!
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
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I see this place is the predecessor for the Unbreakable Ties sewer.
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
Anonymous
>>57030168 nah she's obviously built for the protagonist's dick
also it's gonna get revealed that all her dogmons are female just trust me
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
Despite being part psychic type, the fire rat sweeps easily.
>>57030176 >>>>>>>>2 Malamar, a Bisharp and a Mightyena She's into some freaky shit.
Anonymous
>>57029999 >>57030000 digits demand reminiscencia lp
>>57030184 gg
Anonymous
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>>57030184 do you think she wears anything under that dress
also i want her to jerk me off with those thick thighs
FormerlyAshime !vRZhOalgQo
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Really comfy desert route.
>>57030201 Thanks. There's one in the archive Rentry already but a new major update will likely prompt another kek.
RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
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>>57030201 I've been thinking about it desu, I still need to play the new translation kek
I guess I may as well
>Immediately get the shiny lugia again lol
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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alright continuing
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
did i accidentally boot up reborn
Anonymous
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>>57030302 At least it’s being honest with you
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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i think i might be a tiny bit overleveled
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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hey the eighth grunt has good taste
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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the 11th trainer in this "gauntlet" isn't actually a wack grunt
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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the 13th and last one is notable for having more than one pokemon
Wagie !!jFV8SjIrokx
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>>57029999 >>57030000 Holy fucking kino. The trve reward for overcoming the kaizoniggery is here.
>>57030074 Good luck and hope you have a better time than I did, haha..
The mod starts fine enough but goes into "kill yourself niggerfaggot" territory starting around the 3rd gym
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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free exp for my overleveled dragapult
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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and now Anne is lashing out at her dad for being a walking stereotype
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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>still regular juvite battle theme
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
>>57027673 Fair, I don't dislike Baxcalibur's design, it's just the posture that sucks so much, even the other monstrous mons I like that had hideous 3D models like Nidoking at least had this forward facing aggressive stance, but Baxcalibur just stands up awkwardly, even Tyranitar who also has a similar build at least has an imposing figure, which makes it work.
>>57027862 The gym gimmicks in Realidea are easily one of the best things in the game, there's so much SOVL to them, also GG.
>>57027881 >>57028002 GG.
Also this is far from the worst fucking fight on an Ice terrain you'll see this playthrough, trust me on that.
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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and this happens when silverman starts resisting
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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first encounter in the slums is a natural shiny that i'm killing for free exp
Anonymous
am I retarded or did they change the stats of some pokemon/moves in empyrean
Jagi !!vAq/4B8tWXO
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>>57030390 If they did I didn’t notice
If you’re wondering why you’re doing nothing to the bosses they have like 200 base def/spdef
RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
reminiscencia has fallen
>>57030390 Considering all the other autism, I wouldn't doubt it kek
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
>>57028988 The AI in Clover is incredibly adaptive and solid overall and hard to cheese or get a huge advantage over, but it doesn't get to the point of being utter bullshit like in kaizohacks since it doesn't input read you, it's the perfect mix of difficult and fairness, even though I have certain issues with how Clover handles fights, I like Ashnime agree it's perfectly handled and a standout above the rest.
>>57029999 >>57030000 Holy fucking checked.
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
>>57030403 >filename what does that do
also i'm assuming you don't have to go out of your way to do that considering the last times I tried fighting the final boss the AI kept going for lugia which was basically dead weight anyways
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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hey free lefties
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
i have no idea what this does
RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
Time to reset until I get a pokmeon I like
>>57030412 It puts you on the """bad""" (based) ending
killing Lucius and sexoing Artica >last times I tried fighting the final boss the AI kept going for lugia Yeah, it's either really easy or really hard because sometimes Kyogre randomly hard focuses either (you) or lugia at times
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
>>57030493 wait you actually get to fug the huge boobied ice girl?
ok maybe i'll replay that after i'm done with wack or when the multi-lp happens
Anonymous
>>57030425 Hey Musk. I have over about a year compiled some Pokemon Wack info into a spreadsheet. Mainly because I didn't like clicking around the wiki from page to page. This spreadsheet does several things:
>maps >showcase levels and teams of major trainer battles (especially post E4 stuff) >one separate sheet of just gyms for nuzlocke level caps >Full Pokegirl Island encounter table >A dex of pokemon I'd catch for... personal... reasons... Funny enough I haven't played Wack. I just used LegnaK's playthrough on Youtube and a couple other ones. I do not have Kanto E4 or Wack's PWT or Battle Frontier info.
Over the past couple of days I decided to open up a new laptop (because my current one is downstairs with a broken hinge for the screen and I need a bed laptop because I'm currently sick.) I spent yesterday making Windows 10 usable. (This new laptop needed to be formatted and also basic user setting have too much crap to deal with and I needed to download essential programs.)
This link will download the spreadsheet as an excel file. Not sure if you're playing blind, but if you want info, have a lot of it!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS5bJ3q2j4HC4MUsKAaIQBliS1rnr8sAGPwivnLOfs2b2OCYioqSwHSt4IRjnMhzB7cjS2mkSJyVO5U/pub?output=xlsx If you don't want details but do at some point want a very simple guide on which location to go to next this will get you through the game. It's literally just all the locations names in the order you visit them.
https://pokemonwack.fandom.com/wiki/Wackthrough Will you be doing post-game? It's LONG and frankly doesn't feel like post-game but just a bunch more story.
Anonymous
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>>57030507 Forgot to add that the reason I opened up the new laptop was just so I could post this. (Although having a PC for my bed again is nice and I can watch anime now.)
John VPPoster !znRW0dg4nE
I've completely forgotten who any of these characters are, honestly I'm not even sure if any of them have been properly introduced yet or if this is the first time they appear
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
goofy ahh house from ohio
>>57030507 I've played the game before, furthest I got across my various playthroughs was victory road before I softlocked because during upgrade cave I got cocky and tried turning on insanity mode mid-run which broke stuff and probably also broke stuff when I turned it back off
Anonymous
>>57030534 Do you plan on playing post-game?
Anonymous
>>57030534 How did you softlock?
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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>>57030541 it's likely
>>57030544 I think touching shit I shouldn't have caused some events involving trainers to spaz out and get me in a loop of the game making me have to create teams for trainers with "missing" teams that the game was trying to grab but didn't exist, which would open up a list of all pokemon which would take long enough for the "a script is taking too long, the game will now restart" failsafe to trigger because as decent as my old PC was it wasn't enough
but now my current PC is actually able to load the game's pokemon list in the debug menu in time
RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
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>>57030500 While they don't explicitly say 'they fucked', it's pretty damn close kek
>when the multi-lp happens idk if we'll do another one tbdesu, I imagine everyone will probably just want to hop into the new shit
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
Anonymous
>>57030408 Is there any code documentation regarding the AI?
Orevald !!uFy26nWSF72
>>57030533 There's barely anything, trust me, I combed the map from top to bottom, in fact there's areas that were blatantly unfinished or areas with broken cutscene triggers that I think STILL haven't been fixed or worked on, because Ayrei is just that fucking competent.
>>57030613 I don't know if there is, I wasn't around /vp/ when Clover saw most of it's work being done. I think the romhack/fangame making thread might be able to give you pointers in that direction, I do know it's fairly advanced as far as romhacks are concerned and honestly it's a work of art to someone like me who is just starting the slow walk into becoming a code wizard.
John VPPoster !znRW0dg4nE
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>day 6 >run over to the stadium to sign in >some new faggot runs his mouth and I sign up >day 7 starts immediately >dev doesn't even bother to teleport me back to the hotel and not heal my pokemon like the last 6 days >>57030690 >broken cutscene triggers yeah I ran past the hotel room cutscene start tile five times in a row because the couch doesn't have collision on the bottom tile and you can run right by it
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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>paras after sixth badge
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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>The Juvites nuked Hiroshima's hometown for tax evasion
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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alright the community sprite pack made this guy way cooler
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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normally I cheese this fight with status moves for a free life orb but I do have a decently high level team now
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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>The Devil Satan would like to battle!
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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Whiteout counter: 7 (5 optional)
Musk !!B/VAIOT2xDG
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someone bake the next thread while I try to kick the devil's shit in
RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
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>Image limit
Bunken !!O3Z0J+BO1kU
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>>57030374 thanks bro
>>57029999 it's all been worth it, even prism tower
RG !!LsUp+BVDG9i
