/vp/ - Pokémon » Thread #57087828

Hi /veepee/, introducing Pokemon Haemorrhoid Red and Gatorade Blue!
These are new ROMhacks set in the Kanto region of generation 3, and boast the following features:
>all 1000 pokemon crammed into a region designed for 150, meaning that every route has encounter tables so diluted that every mon you want is 5% tops
>"Quality of life" features like nature mints and free vitamins
>harder trainer battles with better AI that require "better strategy"
>what this actually means is that every individual fight just becomes a smogon calc-fest as you have to build teams for every trainer, and every bit of fun is sapped out of the game!
>no actual quality of life changes like early fly or faster surfing, just the above bullshit im passing off as quality of life
>literally any original dialogue will just be utter dogshit. like, invariably
>one (1), that's right, one (1) new area! and it's just ripped from the hoenn games and slightly reskinned!
>steven stone probably shows up to give you yet another battle to smogon over
>rare candies are available! grinding is an important part of nuzlockes where you need to play carefully in the early games to avoid losing mons, so we can sidestep this issue for all you pro nuzlockers by removing that risk and turning all your pokemon into soulless assets that spend 90% of the time in the box
>don't forget the regular balance patches nerfing shit into the ground whenever i get salty about someone beating my game!
if you guys could spread this around, id really be grateful. if we can get Jan or Wolfy's eyes on this, that'd mean the world to me. i dont give a single fuck about creating a game i can be proud of, as is evident from my work, i just want twitch clout, so if you guys could help with that, itd mean the world to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 02:07:32 No.57088321 Report

Quoted By: >>57089479

>>57087828
>Are his criticism of Emerald legit
No
>and did his ROM hack (Emerald Legacy) fix them?
No
Didn't watch the video btw

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 02:16:19 No.57088375 Report

Quoted By: >>57088737

most of this shit are minor nitpicks that barely fucking matter
"ohhhhh but your early game team choices are a bit unbalanced nooooo"
AND? literally the exact same for nearly every good game in the series
I don't give a shit if X/Y and SW/SH and S/V give you 40 options before the first gym with 90BP STABs + coverage equally all of different types if the actual game SUCKS HOT FUCKING DICK

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 03:03:11 No.57088621 Report

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Cope

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 03:16:47 No.57088663 Report

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>>57087828
I enjoyed Emerald so mo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 03:41:45 No.57088737 Report

Quoted By: >>57088751 >>57097694 >>57098548

>>57088375
Out of all the ~20 year old gens, isn't gen 3 one of the better ones in terms of early mon variety even with Emerald dropping Surskit? Not counting your starter you have a multiple grass and water options (one is even a grass/water) option before the first gym and you get a grass tm in the route before Rustboro. The only gym I feel like you can actually have some issues finding a counter for is Wattson.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 03:44:21 No.57088751 Report

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>>57088737
even then, if you choose mudkip, you have a ground type before him
fire takes neutral damage from his attacks, and combusken's fighting attacks are SE against his magnemite. Grass also resists electric iirc, so your starter can genuinely put in work against him

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 03:53:55 No.57088780 Report

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>>57087828
I think the thing that disappoints me most is that he's often SO close to making a good point about something, but then his way of changing the game to address that point is fucking asinine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 04:20:04 No.57088931 Report

Quoted By: >>57089180 >>57092411 >>57093225

Early Hoenn is eh, whatever. It has a few good mons like Ralts, Lotad, or Makuhita that are good long term. Then there are weird mons like Whismur, Skitty, Slakoth that no one will use on a playthrough. Or Pokemon who are just bad in Gen 3 specifically, like pre-split Breloom, pre-XY Mawile, and any Bug Types because they all had shallow movepools back then. It's a mixed bag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 05:05:29 No.57089180 Report

Quoted By: >>57089447

>>57088931
Breloom isn't that bad, its high attack works really well with Mach Punch and Secret Power. Bug-types vary, Ninjask is kind of mediocre but can work, Shedinja is entirely matchup dependent, and Dustox/Beautifly are useful for dunking on Brawly. A lot of it just getting over your unease at average STAB options and brute-forcing things with Secret Power instead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 05:12:48 No.57089219 Report

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>>57087828
Hoennfags going through what Johtofags went though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 05:20:03 No.57089259 Report

Quoted By: >>57093446 >>57098548

>>57087828
>didn’t understand yellow
>attempted to fix yellow
>failed
>didn’t understand Crystal
>attempted to fix Crystal
>failed
>doesn’t understand emerald
anon, what do you think happened next?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 05:50:46 No.57089447 Report

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>>57089180
>Secret Power
Fuck, thank god for PSS. Shit was Dire no Claw.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 05:53:46 No.57089479 Report

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>>57088321
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 06:03:10 No.57089590 Report

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>>57087828
>still no Pokémart in Dewford
>still no entrance to jagged pass from Lavaridge town
Missed opportunities

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 06:44:01 No.57089975 Report

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I actually really like it
Just finished Fortree

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 14:15:50 No.57092103 Report

Quoted By:

>>57087842
>"Stop talking about games on the game board. We have bestiality porn to discuss."

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 14:17:11 No.57092107 Report

Quoted By: >>57096514

>>57088231
>all 1000 pokemon crammed into a region designed for 150, meaning that every route has encounter tables so diluted that every mon you want is 5% tops

This is why I can't stand Radical Red.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 14:21:33 No.57092133 Report

Quoted By: >>57092379

>>57087828
only genuine criticism here is how dogshit the villain team pokemons are but that's just a constant to every pokemon game

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 15:07:35 No.57092379 Report

Quoted By: >>57093348

>>57092133
What's wrong with them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 15:14:07 No.57092411 Report

Quoted By:

>>57088931
>Slakoth
>no one will use
retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 17:45:52 No.57093225 Report

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>>57088931
I've used Exploud and Slaking on separate playthroughs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 18:02:40 No.57093348 Report

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>>57092379
They all run nothing but zubats and poochyenas

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 18:15:57 No.57093435 Report

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>>57088231
>>all 1000 pokemon crammed into a region designed for 150
It wasn't well designed for 150. A lot routes don't introduce new Pokémon or use interesting repeats. What's the point of backtracking to get to grass patch in route 9 if they don't have anything you didn't already have access to? They could have added Poliwag or Farfetch'd or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 18:16:58 No.57093446 Report

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>>57089259
Elaborate on what he failed to understand about Yellow

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 18:38:39 No.57093624 Report

Quoted By: >>57094489

>the same attwhore garbage over again
kill yourself

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 18:43:53 No.57093669 Report

Quoted By: >>57093712 >>57094499

>>57087828
Emerald is good, but I look forward to Legacy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 18:52:11 No.57093712 Report

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>>57093669
it's already out

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 20:34:13 No.57094489 Report

Quoted By: >>57094499

>>57093624
Filtered by Legacy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 20:35:32 No.57094499 Report

Quoted By:

>>57094489
>>57093669
fucking advertising like this should be bannable

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 20:39:04 No.57094517 Report

Quoted By:

>>57088231
don't forget
>added my OC and my patreon dickriders as a secret super powerful trainers B)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 22:51:30 No.57095472 Report

Quoted By: >>57095549 >>57096849 >>57097679 >>57098263 >>57098736 >>57098746

>>57087828
HERES MY QOL UBER SUPER CONVENIENT ROM HACK GUYS!!!!
>Crams EVERY mon into a single region
>shoves the current gens qol not designed for the gba titles into the game
>many dialogue and script changes, You NEED to see my self insert! Also trans rights!
>makes every single boss battle a grand finals tournament match where the trainer AI is the best it can get, even for the first gym leader
>more useless time wasting bloat shoved in
I stopped giving a fuck about rom hacks as a whole when I realized they are all the same slop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 22:58:34 No.57095513 Report

Quoted By: >>57098727

>>57088231
This hack is like the exact opposite of this though, retard.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 17 Dec 2024 23:03:02 No.57095549 Report

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>>57095472
>when I realized they are all the same slop.
Nice they’re taking full inspiration from the source material

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 01:27:51 No.57096471 Report

Quoted By: >>57096479 >>57098496

>self inserts are bad except when game freak does it
>ignore that masuda and tajiri self inserted themselves into crystal's battle tower btw :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 01:28:43 No.57096479 Report

Quoted By: >>57096520

>>57096471
Self-inserts are good when they're given little to no fanfare.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 01:33:54 No.57096514 Report

Quoted By: >>57098732

>>57092107
For me it's having to go full Smogonfag just to beat Misty

Brock having a Vulpix is fine as both an anime nod and a way to ensure Bulbasaur isn't easy mode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 01:34:29 No.57096520 Report

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>>57096479
>Self-inserts are good when it's Morimoto
Fixed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 02:24:05 No.57096849 Report

Quoted By: >>57097654 >>57097662

>>57095472
>>shoves the current gens qol not designed for the gba titles into the game
>>many dialogue and script changes, You NEED to see my self insert! Also trans rights!
>>makes every single boss battle a grand finals tournament match where the trainer AI is the best it can get, even for the first gym leader
confirmed for not actually knowing what you're talking about

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 02:24:46 No.57096851 Report

Quoted By:

>>57087828
jesus fucking christ stop shilling your shitty hacks here and pretending they're perfect

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 05:18:03 No.57097654 Report

Quoted By:

>>57096849
>Doesn't refute the rest
I accept your concession

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 05:20:14 No.57097662 Report

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>>57096849
>doesnt refute
>merely states
are you retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 05:24:12 No.57097679 Report

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>>57095472
>Crams EVERY mon into a single region
Show the spawn tables then
>shoves the current gens qol not designed for the gba titles into the game
Like what?
>You NEED to see my self insert! Also trans rights!
Where does it say that?
>makes every single boss battle a grand finals tournament match where the trainer AI is the best it can get, even for the first gym leader
And what's the first gym's team?
>more useless time wasting bloat shoved in
Examples?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 05:27:18 No.57097694 Report

Quoted By: >>57098044

>>57088737
>even with Emerald dropping Surskit?
Surskit sucks ass, I tried using one as my water mon in ORAS and holy fuck it's bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 07:09:25 No.57098044 Report

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>>57097694
It's at least as good as beautifly just from having intimidate

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 08:16:16 No.57098206 Report

Quoted By: >>57098235

>>57087828
>eceleb thread

I will never forgive TheSmithPlays for throwing his friend under the bus for some chick that tried to ruin his life. Imagine being friends with someone for over a decade and, even though he knows your side of the story, continues to support the abuser.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 08:26:33 No.57098235 Report

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>>57098206
>>eceleb thread
>proceeds to bring up eceleb drama
whatever happened sounds fucked up, but people probably only care about the hack itself

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 08:27:57 No.57098242 Report

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*blocks your path*

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 08:38:02 No.57098263 Report

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>>57095472
Every point you made is shit and/or not relevant, and I fon't give 2 shits about this hack

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 09:58:59 No.57098445 Report

Quoted By:

>>57087828
No.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 10:17:27 No.57098496 Report

Quoted By:

>>57096471
Yeah it's okay for the literal creators of the games to self insert themselves into the games
The guy in the OP is not the creator of Pokémon nor is he the creator of Pokémon Emerald

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 10:39:12 No.57098548 Report

Quoted By:

>>57087828
He do it for every of his hack. This is shitty, disingenuous and pretentious way of advertise your hack.

>>57088737
Crystal had objectively the largest diversity of early game Pokemon till XY dropped but autists like to ignore it because muh numbers and muh day-night cycle.
Most of the complains are not real. They are made up for Internet clicks.

>>57089259
...Platinum Legacy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 11:42:43 No.57098711 Report

Quoted By:

>>57088231
Absolutely based pasta. Get these fucking shitskins out of the pokemon community

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 11:46:19 No.57098727 Report

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>>57095513
Yeah wow they kept type-based move categories so hecking conservative, just ignore the gen 6 trainer, the free repels at the beginning, the fucking type chart changes in yellow legacy, all the mechanics he pulled out of his ass like focus energy leaf blade

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 11:47:20 No.57098732 Report

Quoted By:

>>57096514
Yeah, only SquirtleCHADS get to easy mode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 11:47:55 No.57098736 Report

Quoted By:

>>57095472
You just hate on things for the sake of hating on things

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 11:49:17 No.57098742 Report

Quoted By: >>57098797 >>57098865

I'll never play any of these hacks, but the guy who made the Crystal one was cool and reached out to a bunch of different gen 2 devs to put them in the battle tower.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 11:50:13 No.57098746 Report

Quoted By: >>57098766

>>57095472
Just ignore rom hacks that have an official game name in their title. That’s the cheat code

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 11:55:03 No.57098766 Report

Quoted By: >>57098964

>>57098746
This includes all hacks with Pokemon in the title

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 12:08:23 No.57098797 Report

Quoted By: >>57098801

>>57098742
Which Crystal hack?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 12:09:37 No.57098801 Report

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>>57098797
Crystal Legacy
https://github.com/cRz-Shadows/Pokemon_Crystal_Legacy/blob/main/data/battle_tower/classes.asm

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 12:34:30 No.57098865 Report

Quoted By: >>57098883

>>57098742
The battle tower already had those trainers. Are you retarded?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 12:38:45 No.57098883 Report

Quoted By: >>57098889

>>57098865
Read the names.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 12:40:43 No.57098889 Report

Quoted By: >>57098936

>>57098883
Guitarist Masuda and Bug Catcher Tajiri are from the original Crystal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 12:56:21 No.57098936 Report

Quoted By: >>57098943

>>57098889
And the rest of them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 12:59:10 No.57098943 Report

Quoted By: >>57098947

>>57098936
Literal fucking nobodies

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 13:00:04 No.57098947 Report

Quoted By: >>57098953

>>57098943
Well, yeah. They're rom hack devs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 13:04:03 No.57098953 Report

Quoted By: >>57098960

>>57098947
Thought we were talking about actual Gen 2 devs, who gives a shit if he reached out to people doing the same shit as him?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 13:05:44 No.57098960 Report

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>>57098953
I think it's neat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 13:07:11 No.57098964 Report

Quoted By: >>57098968

>>57098766
No pokemon game is just named Pokémon so no

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 13:07:45 No.57098968 Report

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>>57098964
But all Pokemon games are Pokemon games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 13:14:36 No.57098989 Report

Quoted By: >>57099001

>>57087828
Most of these people forget that the games designed, inherently, to be beaten by a 9 yr old with their favorite pokemon. That means a 9 yr old with the worst IVs, typing, and no knowledge of EV's or even natures should be able to beat the game. So I rarely consider their balance criticism legitimate. Especially when they themselves start to mess with the game's balance and make more problems than fixes. Yes, theres not a lot of fire types and blaziken has a terrible learnset like he says, but the game was designed to be beaten with double kick, or even ember so it doesn't matter outside of the difficulty hacks he himself put in.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 13:19:30 No.57099001 Report

Quoted By: >>57099506 >>57099584

>>57098989
What about his criticism of Wattson being too overtuned if you don't have a ground type?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 15:31:57 No.57099506 Report

Quoted By: >>57099559

>>57099001
When did he say that? I watched it on my second monitor while playing something else. All I remember about Watson is the Chinchou and Plusle addition.
In base game I don't think he was overtuned at all. Combusken can get through most of his team with double kick, especially Mageneton, and Grovyle or grass types makes Wattson's base AI spam sonicboom and supersonic. Even without these, you still have options like Breloom, Loudred, or even your own Manectric to help you through.

In terms of going back to the 9 yr old balancing idea though, Wattson would be the first major wall in game just because of the speed, paralysis, and confusion spam his team can do. But I wouldn't consider it overtuned, as the above pokemon could all get through with A button spam eventually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 15:41:50 No.57099559 Report

Quoted By: >>57099671

>>57099506
it might have been in a different video, but he specifically mentioned how Wattson in Emerald seemed to be designed around not being an easy sweep if you had Swampert (AKA, a ground type), which in turn made Wattson significantly tougher for anyone who wasn't inherently type advantaged against him.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 15:47:37 No.57099584 Report

Quoted By: >>57099671

>>57099001
He’s right. Parahax is annoying as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 16:05:33 No.57099671 Report

Quoted By: >>57099700

>>57099559
>>57099584
Para-confusion is the only real difficulty spike in base pokemon games though. I don't know why he would say that and then give the game a level cap and Wattson a chinchou with grass coverage. It's like it was "Difficult but not MY difficult so I changed it."
But then he also looks like he had some kind of tierlist stream about his romhack a few days ago so I wouldn't put it past him to think he's on par with an actual game developer having his own panel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 16:14:20 No.57099700 Report

Quoted By: >>57099719 >>57099761

>>57099671
>level cap
To be fair that's a difficulty option, one that he didn't apparently think to include until updating his Crystal hack. Once I play it I'll try and judge if he went sweaty mode for the base difficulty.
I didn't watch the tier list stream, but I did see the tier list, and I find it pretty sad he put spinda at the bottom. That's convinced me to play with Spinda just to spite him for whatever he has against it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 16:18:39 No.57099719 Report

Quoted By: >>57099761

>>57099700
Spinda is a case of him wanting to buff the thing more but the fans complained about it. I had level caps turned on but pretty much never hit them and I went up to Fortree before I stopped playing because I wanted to play a real game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 16:30:50 No.57099761 Report

Quoted By: >>57099980

>>57099700
That's true and difficulty options are one of the better additions to any romhack. Mainly because it lets you turn off anything that ruins the game for you.

>>57099719
What made you get bored with it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 17:25:16 No.57099980 Report

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>>57099761
I dont think the hack is bad and I had fun trying to beat Flannery when my only decently trained pokemon were Swablu, Lairon and Grovyle since the fight came down to the wire.
There were just other games I wanted to prioritize so I put what was essentially a replay on the backburner.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 18:56:12 No.57100471 Report

Quoted By: >>57100551

Gen 2 was design for you to play a little each day rather than get everything in one sitting. Crystal Legacy rebalancing the game so it plays more like Gen 1 and 3 onwards is cool.
The emerald and yellow hacks are unnecessary. If he wants to make an overhaul hack he should do one for FRLG that adds Johto to the already robust post game or something.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 19:10:29 No.57100551 Report

Quoted By: >>57100986

>>57100471
>Finish the Sevii Islands and then move on to a full Johto playthrough
Imagine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 18 Dec 2024 20:45:20 No.57100986 Report

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>>57100551
Mons reset to level 5, or is Johto going full into the high tier levels, with a level 100 champ?

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