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>>57134761
>>pebbles
very poorly implemented
had no business doubling spikes damage when maximized, completely at the expense of flying types
should have capped at 25% for dual-weakness, to exactly mirror spikes damage
instead, it made CHARIZARD unviable
>>u-turn
honestly not that big of a problem without volt switch, in my opinion
i don't even "abuse" (i.e., use) the move
>>phys/spec split
poorly built upon
>>bloated movepools
tons of terrible fanfic tier shit lazy balancing measures like giving Blaziken line Baton Pass
>>origins of dragonspam
what you really are alluding to is buffed Outrage and Dragon Overheat

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 09:22:48 No.57134785 Report

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>>57134780
*and base 102 Speed STAB EQ, *with* Swords Dance (and Sand Veil)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 10:10:22 No.57134842 Report

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>>57134734
the bkc vid he's referring to:

https://youtu.be/6A7M409c5ak?si=xwb4EsoyFFazcDIY

remember: 2x speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 10:52:07 No.57134936 Report

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>>57134734
Gen4OU is pretty fun, rather play that then most old gens. Very few cheap and stally shit, no wasted turns

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 11:52:56 No.57134998 Report

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>change stealth rocks to be a 2 level hazard that does 10% to flying types/levitating mons per level without hitting grounded mons
>nerf Outrage to 100BP
>Close Combat now also drops speed
Fixed Gen 4 comp.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 14:59:15 No.57135242 Report

Quoted By: >>57135713 >>57136043

>>57134734
>complaining that pokemon can run a variety of items/sets
Since when was that a bad thing? Yes, you should have to manage information and play around multiple possibilities. Does he want open teamsheets on ladder?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 17:04:54 No.57135525 Report

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>Makes an entire boomer fanfic meta mald by just existing
>Fanfic meta fags realized how slept on this fucker is in early gens.
Machamp bros... this is the gift that keeps on giving.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 17:13:50 No.57135538 Report

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>>57134734
Imagine being a smogon schizo especially on Christmas

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 17:41:03 No.57135620 Report

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>>57134761
t. Stallfag

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 18:08:22 No.57135705 Report

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>>57134998
>>change stealth rocks to be a 2 level hazard that does 10% to flying types/levitating mons per level without hitting grounded mons
don't like this
>nerf Outrage to 100BP
too weak
you realize it's a Thrash clone, right?
would you ever use 100 BP Thrash?
>Close Combat now also drops speed
it never needed to be 120 BP and it doesn't make sense when a move like Dynamic Punch is weaker than it

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 18:09:35 No.57135710 Report

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Rocks doesn't need a nerf

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 18:10:30 No.57135713 Report

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>>57135242
>Does he want open teamsheets on ladder?
we all should
guessies is bullshit and not what Pokemon is about when it comes to predicting sets and structures
it should be about turn to turn plays
I swear to you you will find yourself frustrated by how often an unforeseen last mon or surprise move choice can lose you a game that you otherwise could have won

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 18:11:37 No.57135715 Report

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>>57135710
they do, but to perfect parity with Spikes, and to have its distribution slashed dramatically

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 18:12:09 No.57135717 Report

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>>57135715
mmm nyo

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 18:52:56 No.57135861 Report

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>>57135715
Stealth Rocks being type-based is so stupid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 19:29:09 No.57135983 Report

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>>57135861
it's not stupid
stealth rock was invented because flying types were immune to hazards

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 19:32:25 No.57136001 Report

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>>57135983
Which fucked over the other types weak to rock that weren't immune to hazards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 19:46:51 No.57136043 Report

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>>57135242
Because you only have 6 Pokemon in team - That's 6 abilities, 6 items and 24 moves to not only be able to commit to your own strategy but also defend yourself from everything that opponent can throw at you. Too diverse meta means that you may lose purely based on matchup, because in your limited toolkit you could not fit tools to beat everything. Pokemon having bloated, uniform movepools also flattens diversity in negative way - in earlier gens you could consider "weaker" option due to it having unique combination of elements at disposal but when everything learns all the best moves then what's the point?

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 20:19:13 No.57136162 Report

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>People played with and against Machamp without zero issues for over two decades
>OneYoutuber gets butthurt about losing to Machamp once
>Now everyone pretends Machamp is cancer for the tier and must get banned instantly and DPP was never got all along
Truly insanity.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is a psy-op to make Gen 4 look bad because this Jimothy dude is a Gen 3 fag and wants Gen 3 to become even more popular.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 20:21:16 No.57136172 Report

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>>57136162
That's absolutely it, ADVfags have been getting more and more uppity over the years in their insistence that ADV is "the perfect meta".

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 20:21:18 No.57136173 Report

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>>57136162
>People 18 years ago had had different and lower standards than people who play today
Woah no way!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 20:22:03 No.57136175 Report

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>>57136001
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 20:34:08 No.57136220 Report

Quoted By: >>57136628 >>57136698

>>57136162
>>OneYoutuber gets butthurt about losing to Machamp
it's not the youtuber you mentioned however
>>Now everyone pretends Machamp is cancer for the tier and must get banned instantly
not sure who's "everyone" and neither are you
>>DPP was never got all along
Latias Gen 4 OU yes, was never good
>Truly insanity.
this is insane
>I wouldn't be surprised if this is a psy-op to make Gen 4 look bad because this Jimothy dude is a Gen 3 fag and wants Gen 3 to become even more popular
it's not that deep
there are no gen4ou poketubers shilling for it besides BKC for many, many reasons
there are reasons why gen3ou is now triply more played than gen4ou despite always being less played than it until last year

the only psyop was it getting away with being considered good for years unchallenged

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 20:35:08 No.57136224 Report

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>>57136172
Gen 3 OU is the best OU in all of Smogon currently, and historically the best period.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 21:36:23 No.57136462 Report

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>>57134734
paralysis clause anyone?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 21:39:14 No.57136477 Report

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>>57136043
This is exactly the problem with the Smogon mentality
Too many motherfuckers hate learning that they aren't the smartest in the room and getting beat by shit that was "beneath" them
I do agree that the power creep making things too uniform fucks with the meta in negative ways and takes away from being able to find unique answers to specific problems... and when you do, the Smogon set cries and bans them
Pour out some liquor for the homie Cacturne

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 22:24:55 No.57136628 Report

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>>57136220
Okay gen3fag.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 22:42:34 No.57136698 Report

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>>57136220
pokeaim likes gen 4 but iirc he said stuff like "if i could ban one thing it would be clefable" and "if i could unban one thing it would be mew". lol. not sure how serious he was about these statements but the basic reason being that modern gen 4 has a higher prevalence of fat teams / nostalgia for the old days of a more offense centric meta. pokeaim is a latias fag tho right. i wasn't under the impression that latias was widely disliked, i never see anyone complaining about it other than maybe lamenting infernape's tanked viability.

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Anonymous Wed 25 Dec 2024 23:26:13 No.57136850 Report

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Oh, a Steel-type is ruining your tier? By spamming Thunder Wave?
Wow, what a story.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2024 00:15:11 No.57136983 Report

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>>57136698
it's a refusal to acknowledge the problem because it requires an accompanying admission of mistakenness. Additionally, when the situation is such that the surface-level assumption that Latias is fine because of Pursuit Tyranitar, Jirachi, and Heatran existing, it becomes very easy to not bother looking past all that at the resultant marginalized options and tiering constraints it's created, such as the unwillingness to ban Jirachi.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2024 00:16:14 No.57136986 Report

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I remember loving running Rain Dance and Sandstorm teams in Gen 4, was an absolute blast. Haven't had nearly as much fun running those since then.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2024 00:16:52 No.57136988 Report

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>>57136477
Cacturne, who finally became outstanding in his field and a thorn in the side of a stale meta.

And Sandslash, who was mercilessly cut despite never even doing anything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2024 00:18:26 No.57136990 Report

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>>57134734
Blunder also put Gen 4 OU in the bottom of his tierlist recently

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2024 00:24:49 No.57137007 Report

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>>57136988
Back when Gen 3 was the hotness, I usually had Cacturne on my teams to make Celebi and Ttar piss and shit themselves
Nothing beat setting up that sub and launching a big time Focus Punch on that lazy ass crutch character rockzilla
Good fuckin times

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2024 00:35:23 No.57137037 Report

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>>57137007
that was the first wave of its revival/resurgence but even that had nothing on its current popularity and engagement

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2024 01:29:40 No.57137229 Report

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>>57135983
So? Types are supposed to have differences between them.

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Anonymous Thu 26 Dec 2024 01:35:32 No.57137247 Report

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>>57136043
damn almost like this children's game isn't competitive or something

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