>>57171985For sure. I think in singles, the fact that it's vulnerable to rocks, sand, and Blissey can stop it unless you roll like God himself really hold it back. Its movepool isn't as good either, with the exceptions of Heal Bell and Roost. If I was going to rank the preferable alternatives for me, after way too much time playing Gen 4:
1) Ban Jirachi and suspect Togekiss in a couple months.
2) Suspect Serene Grace so we can see how many people defend it when they have the chance to send it away.
3) Ban Serene Grace. Sorry Dunsparce. This would skip all the bullshit, but wouldn't let us see how the meta shakes out.
4) Ban Jirachi, but leave Togekiss alone.
5) No changes following the Machamp ban.
BKC mentioned testing Waterfall, which I'm not sure I agree with. I also not sure I entirely disagree because Gyarados and Kingdra can absolutely steal a game off a flinch after a DD. That starts to tow a very fine line. At minimum, we need to explore the fact that Serene Grace has been bullshit for almost 20 years. It creates so many non-games and generally rewards playing with your brain completely off. There are too many situations where you get large extra rewards for pressing the move that was your best option even without the doubled chance to flinch.
