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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:30:24 No.57596006 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>57596010 >>57596019 >>57596039 >>57596092 >>57596181 >>57596205 >>57596452 >>57597546 >>57598124 >>57598138 >>57599068

How do you fix this shit?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:31:25 No.57596009 Report

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Remove freeze dry and make ice SE against water.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:31:34 No.57596010 Report

Quoted By: >>57596046 >>57596160

>>57596006
stop making slow ice walls

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:33:01 No.57596019 Report

Quoted By: >>57596068 >>57596317

>>57596006
Depends on what you think needs fixing.
Ice is a solid type that's just incredibly one dimensional. Its options these days are hyper offense or irrelevant, but hyper offense can still be a winning formula.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:36:48 No.57596032 Report

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Give it resists to Grass, Flying, and Ground. That's it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:38:12 No.57596039 Report

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>>57596006
Create a Sound type and make it SE against Fairy, Ghost, and Water while being resisted by Ice, Psychic, and Bug.

Oh, and make Ice resist Water (Scald is Super effective against Ice types like Freeze Dry is against Water)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:39:14 No.57596046 Report

Quoted By: >>57596133 >>57596522

>>57596010
That's certainly going to help the 60% of ice types that are slow bastards already.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:42:59 No.57596061 Report

Quoted By: >>57596087 >>57596275

Ice is fine now
You're never going to see many ice types in VGC because the format is dominated by Incineroar and Urshifu, but ice types have been SUPER successful in singles in gen 9.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:44:03 No.57596068 Report

Quoted By: >>57596083 >>57596090

>>57596019
It's absolutely not solid. No matter what, having no resistances is absolutely killer to a type's viability. Switching in is an important part of the meta and Ice types can never switch in on their own. You either have to sacrifice a Pokemon to bring them in safely or use a slow pivot like Swampert or Slowking to soak hits while bringing in your Ice type. That is a huge limiting factor on how often you get to actually make use of their above average offensive profile.

Bug ends up being a better type overall despite being way worse offensively because it's a good defensive type. Being able to freely switch in on Earthquake, Close Combat, Grassy Glide, and so on gives Bug types ample opportunities to make use of STAB U-turn or Bug Buzz.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:46:04 No.57596075 Report

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since GF seems to hate ever changing the type chart, the only realistic way i can see is fixing it like they (kind of) fixed grass type, which is by giving it unique perks unrelated to SE/NVE relationships

either that or give all of the shitty ice types really strong new abilities

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:46:09 No.57596076 Report

Quoted By: >>57596082 >>57596160

Snow is already super good, just need more snowsetters than Abom, Atales, and Gking

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:47:34 No.57596082 Report

Quoted By: >>57596160

>>57596076
vanilluxe also exists, but it needs a better movepool to have any role other than "spawn weather and then spam blizzard until you die"

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:47:41 No.57596083 Report

Quoted By: >>57596095

>>57596068
Bug is not in fact in a better spot than ice

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:49:31 No.57596087 Report

Quoted By: >>57596139 >>57596210

>>57596061
They really haven't been much more successful in singles than doubles. Ice is represented by Kyurem and... Kyurem. That's the only Ice type in OU. Chien-Pao is busted in both singles and doubles, which is why it has such a high usage rate in VGC and got banned in singles.

Baxcalibur is really the only outlier, and it's very strong in singles due to incredibly minmaxed stats + Dragon Dance + Terastallization + Burn immunity. You can't just focus it down like you can in VGC. Just setting up Aurora Veil with A-Ninetales was often enough to boost its already tremendous bulk to astronomical levels letting it get 2 or even 3 DDances up in front of an opponent before mowing down the entire team with Glaive Rush, Icicle Spear, and Earthquake. Burn is often the only way teams have of dealing with Baxcalibur without running specifically Dondozo. Even then, Bozo could be broken past with Tera Dragon Glaive Rush abusing Big Bozo's lack of healing outside of Rest.
>252+ Atk Tera Dragon Baxcalibur Glaive Rush vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dondozo: 204-242 (40.4 - 48%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:50:25 No.57596090 Report

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>>57596068
based bug truthteller, the type would arguably be fine if fairies didn't resist it

the only reason that type sucks is because 80% of them are 400 BST shitmons

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:50:40 No.57596092 Report

Quoted By: >>57596119

>>57596006
>Make a status infliction that is actually just a OHKO
>Have a type that both has strong power when fishing for the status, and is entirely immune to it
>Nerf status to be less reliable than the more universally applicable Sleep.
>Do nothing to compensate.
Not saying gen 1 freeze should come back, but they needed to fix Ice's problems back in Gen 2 when they gutted it's biggest defensive value. Give it a Water or Ground resist or something.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:51:47 No.57596095 Report

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>>57596083
It absolutely is. Sticky Web is a dominant strategy in singles and the only non-Bug that could learn it (Slurpuff) is gone. It has STAB U-turn going for it as well, and resisting common offensive types gives it free switches pretty often.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:53:12 No.57596108 Report

Quoted By: >>57596160

should resist fairy and water, maybe electric (ice is a very poor conductor)
people will suggest grass also but that type doesn't need any more issues being garbage on offense so please no

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:55:27 No.57596116 Report

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>All types need to be equally good or my autistic chimpanzee brain can't be satisfied, and my opinions should be respected and catered for, influencing the incredibly complex battle system I don't understand or use
So like, when are you killing yourself?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 03:56:16 No.57596119 Report

Quoted By: >>57596137

>>57596092
Freeze is just an awful mechanic. It's not fun having a Pokemon OHKO'd by random chance on an already spammable move. I've lost games where I've remained frozen for 7 turns in a row.

Replacing it with Frostbite would be the best choice. Maybe keep Freeze as an advanced form of Frostbite, IE inflicting Frostbite on a Frostbitten Pokemon Freezes it, but for Ice to get anywhere balance-wise, Freeze has to be nerfed.

Sleep can get fucked too

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:01:37 No.57596133 Report

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>>57596046
Too bad for them. Power creep hits everyone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:02:30 No.57596137 Report

Quoted By: >>57596158

>>57596119
i've always thought status conditions would be so much more fun if they scrapped all of the "you don't get to do anything this turn" and focused more on the stat reducing aspects along with the damage over time

like paralysis could reduce you a speed tier every time you attack instead of randomly not letting you move, being sleepy reduces your defense, etc. PLA is definitely a step in the right direction

while we're at it FUCK confusion, just rename it to "disoriented" or something and make it so you always take recoil damage but still get to act

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:02:51 No.57596139 Report

Quoted By: >>57596156

>>57596087
A Pokemon getting banned means that it was very strong anon, and that's also still not factoring in other pokemon such as iron bundle and the broken monstrosity known as CIR, or old staples like Weavile who still see play in OU
Between Kyreum, Calyrex, Iron Bundle, Baxcalibur, Chien Pao, and Weavile, Ice has had a pretty successful generation, some would say an obnoxiously good one.
I'd say that Ice only really needs more snow support, because it will be perfectly fine in other ways as they pump out more offensive ice types. Snow is the best way to support the multitude of shitty bulky ice types left over

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:07:04 No.57596155 Report

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one understated problem with ice is every fucking pokemon, their mom, their dad, uncle, and their dog leaning rock type moves for some reason

it's just like psychics sucking because everyone can learn shit like knock off, pursuit, etc. or rock types sucking because everything learns earthquake for some reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:07:15 No.57596156 Report

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>>57596139
>Kyurem
Was banned in Gen 8, unbanned this gen because it's fine now
>Calyrex
You mean the Pokemon with higher BST than Kyogre and Groudon? The one that is so shit it's stuck in Ubers while its brother is in Anything Goes?
>Iron Bundle
Fair enough
>Baxcalibur
Fair enough
>Mega Weavile
Fair enough
>Weavile
Weavile fell off hard, even after Mega Weavile was banned. It went from dominating Gen 8 OU and Ubers to falling to UU.

For most of the Ice types that have retained relevance in this meta, it's because of Terastallization letting them have actual defenses while also retaining what made them busted before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:07:34 No.57596158 Report

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>>57596137
The randomness is there to give the game variance anon. They want things to come down to a dice roll on paralysis or the confusion procing. That creates fun, memorable moments for the kids playing when things go their way

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:08:12 No.57596160 Report

Quoted By: >>57596522

ROM hacks and Pokemon Essentials exists for a reason.

>>57596076
>>57596082
Aurorus has Snow Warning and Aurora Veil as well, so don't exclude a Pokemon from a mention just because it's not good in competitive. Also in my opinion Aurora Veil is only thematically appropriate on Aurorus because of the aurora motif with its sails.

>>57596108
Ice used to resist and be super effective against Fairy in the gen 6 beta, but knowing Game Freak this would've been too much of a good thing.

>>57596010
This will certainly help Dewgong and Avalugg, right?
(it won't, and will make slow Ice type Pokemon that isn't Ice Rider Calyrex even more irrelevant thanks to Game Freak's infinite wisdom on game design).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:14:42 No.57596181 Report

Quoted By: >>57596186

>>57596006
Make it only weak to fire. Nothing resists it and it's SE against water. That should fix these slow shitters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:16:54 No.57596186 Report

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>>57596181
>super effective against water
And what would be the purpose of Freeze-Dry then?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:23:47 No.57596203 Report

Quoted By: >>57596687 >>57597534

Banned to Ubers
>Cloyster
>Galarian Darmanitan
>Kyurem
>Iron Bundle
>Baxcalibur
>Chien-Pao

Good in OU
>Alolan Ninetales
>Jynx (only in gen1/gen2 so feel free to not count it)
>Weavile
>Mamoswine
>Avalugg
>Arctozolt

22 are shit (Crabominable, Alolan Sandslash, Glalie, Frosmoth, Dewgong, Eiscue, Mr. Rime, Articuno, Lapras, Arctovish, Delibird, Walrein, Regice, Beartic, Abomasnow, Cryogonal, Glaceon, Amaura, Froslass, Aurorus, Rotom (Fridge), Vanilluxe)

Direct buffs
>Snow changes
>Aurora veil
>Heavy-duty boots

Will anything ever satisfy you people? I'm sick of seeing this dumb fucking thread every few weeks. Why is there ONLY an obsession with the ice-type and nothing else?

Do we need ice type DEI in movies?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:25:39 No.57596205 Report

Quoted By: >>57596226

>>57596006
have you tried not being terrible at the game?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:26:50 No.57596210 Report

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>>57596087
>they’re not successful that’s why my retarded fanfic format has to keep banning them and I have to post completely irrelevant calcs to pretend I know what I’m talking about

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:31:42 No.57596226 Report

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>>57596205
OP's probably a Redditor that regurgitates Karen's quote about strong Pokemon & weak Pokemon and says that the games are "so easy they can be beaten with a Magikarp", just to shit and piss himself when he sees a double weaknesses to Poison.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:32:30 No.57596230 Report

Quoted By: >>57596246

i just want him to be good bros
ice body on a snow team could be cool if he resisted anything... anything at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:37:14 No.57596246 Report

Quoted By: >>57597659 >>57597750

>>57596230
It was already good in the game it was designed for before the phys/spec split fucked up the game balance like usual.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:47:38 No.57596275 Report

Quoted By: >>57596278 >>57596284

>>57596061
So what you’re saying is that Incineroar and Urshifu should be nerfed into the ground?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:48:46 No.57596278 Report

Quoted By: >>57596290

>>57596275
That kind of thinking is so subversive I love it.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:51:58 No.57596284 Report

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>>57596275
I mean, I wouldn't complain.
Look how ugly these things are. I'd prefer never seeing them again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 04:54:04 No.57596290 Report

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>>57596278
I assume you’re being sarcastic but given the state of this board I can never tell.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 05:04:43 No.57596317 Report

Quoted By: >>57596323

>>57596019
Is there any type they could make it strong against or remove a weakness to that wouldn't nerf the other type

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 05:08:21 No.57596323 Report

Quoted By: >>57596408

>>57596317
>Is there any type they could make it strong against or remove a weakness
Water and Fairy need to be buck broken.

Ice resists Water.
Ice resists and is super effective against Fairy like it was going to be in the gen 6 beta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 05:40:12 No.57596408 Report

Quoted By: >>57596497

>>57596323
no mention of steel? the resist could go away and they'd barely even notice

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 05:53:32 No.57596452 Report

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>>57596006
Ah just throw out a min maxed legendary or some shit that upon switch in creates an icy field which halves damage of fire rock steel fighting for 5 turns and boosts ice moves the meta is fucked anyways lets just make it worse

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 06:11:48 No.57596497 Report

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>>57596408
NTA but I forgot about steel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 06:20:24 No.57596522 Report

Quoted By: >>57597758

>>57596046
>>57596160
Some mons are destined to be shit, all we can do is move forward and learn from mistakes. My favorite Mon is Sableye and they gutted him with a Mega and he's still irrelevant even though he has one of the best typings in the game and is the only pokemon with it. He will forever be stuck an under 400BST shitter and I've made peace with that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 06:21:46 No.57596527 Report

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Remove it's weakness to rock
Make it resists ground and make all ice types absorb water

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 07:56:07 No.57596687 Report

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>>57596203
just because a type has a dozen or so decent mons doesn't mean that the rest of its mons deserve to suck

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 13:41:46 No.57597534 Report

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>>57596203
>Cloyster
>Banned to Ubers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 13:45:38 No.57597546 Report

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>>57596006
I like how in this image, the Smoochum is standing in the middle in front of others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 14:21:41 No.57597659 Report

Quoted By: >>57597779

>>57596246
Regice wasn't good in Gen 3. It's a very, very niche alternative to Blissey. Glalie has seen more tournament usage in Gen 3 than Regice, and that's because Glalie has spikes

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 14:52:19 No.57597736 Report

Quoted By: >>57597779 >>57597933 >>57598134 >>57598173

Ice deserves a buff even if some Pokemon in it deserve a nerf. No one would say Bug doesn't deserve a buff even if Genesect, Pheromosa, and Volcarona are overpowered, and yet you have people in this very thread arguing that Ice deserves to be shit because a small handful of Ice types are good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 14:55:17 No.57597750 Report

Quoted By: >>57597779

>>57596246
snorlax is just regice but better and ttar mogs regice anyways

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 14:59:22 No.57597758 Report

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>>57596522
gigantamaxes are just megas but had their size scaled up
>duraludon had a gigantamax in gen 8 so it means it'll never get an evo
lol. lmao even patternshitter

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 15:03:42 No.57597779 Report

Quoted By: >>57600608

>>57597736
You being terrible at the game and not knowing how to use the Pokemon because you’re too busy staring at fanfic tier lists doesn’t mean the type needs a buff.

>>57597659
>It's a very, very niche alternative to Blissey
Which is what makes it good.

>>57597750
Neither of those Pokemon have STAB ice moves nor do they learn Explosion.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 15:04:29 No.57597781 Report

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icefags are so fragile just like their type holy shit

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 15:34:44 No.57597933 Report

Quoted By: >>57598081 >>57598127 >>57598366

>>57597736
agreed, fairy deserves a buff

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:07:14 No.57598081 Report

Quoted By: >>57598173 >>57598361

>>57597933
Fixed that for you
>Clefable
>Tapus
>Hatterene
>Iron Valiant

>Average
t. Verlisify

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:17:07 No.57598124 Report

Quoted By:

>>57596006
Give it more moves with unique effects like Freeze Dry

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:17:51 No.57598127 Report

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>>57597933
>Tapus
>Average
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:19:09 No.57598134 Report

Quoted By: >>57598161

>>57597736
>Cloyster
>average

>Vanilluxe
>Abomasnow
>Glastrier
>Eiscue
>Froslass
>Articuno
>Glalie
>Aurorus
>bad

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:19:39 No.57598138 Report

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>>57596006

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:19:58 No.57598140 Report

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Reminder to post elo to prove you know what you’re talking about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:23:40 No.57598161 Report

Quoted By: >>57598165

>>57598134
>Cloyster
>Average
Yes. Cloyster has fallen on hard times because there are so many more defensive answers to it these days. It was busted in Gen 5 when power levels were ... half of what they are now, but Excadrill was stronger back in Gen 5 than Cloyster was and even it finds itself in UU these days.

And yes, those others are bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:24:17 No.57598165 Report

Quoted By: >>57598181

>>57598161
>pokemon that won a massive tournament
>I-IT'S BAD!!!
stop staring at smogshit tier lists and pretending it's relevant to the game

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:25:44 No.57598173 Report

Quoted By: >>57598202 >>57598311 >>57599686

>>57598081
>>57597736
Here's Bug, for reference. No blatantly broken Pokemon in the type, but a stronger showing on average than Ice. Sticky Web is a hell of a drug. Bug is also better defensively than Ice letting it soak hits on switch in. STAB U-turn is no joke, either. U-turn is far and away the best pivot move, and getting STAB on it is what got Cinderace banned in Gen 8.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:26:05 No.57598177 Report

Quoted By: >>57598187

Bug is currently the only type that really needs a chart readjustment
Making bug resist + SE fairy would suddenly bring the whole type chart back in to alignment, because suddenly there's a type that checks fighting, dark, and fairy simultaneously
Ice fags are mostly crying about the old shitmons not fitting in to the niche ice supports, that being hyper offense. Changing the chart too much (such as giving ice resistances or taking away waters resistance to ice) would super charge the already very good offensive ice types. More ice unique interactions are the best way to buff the bulky ice types gamefreak flooded the games with for some reason

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:26:57 No.57598181 Report

Quoted By: >>57598297

>>57598165
>It won one Doubles tournament in 30 years of existing that means it's good
Delete System 32, Verlisify.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:28:15 No.57598187 Report

Quoted By: >>57598302

>>57598177
>Ice fags are mostly crying about the old shitmons not fitting in to the niche ice supports, that being hyper offense.
Yeah, 2/3rds of the type gets to be dogshit because a handful of Pokemon in it are disgustingly overtuned. Wonderful. I guess that means Bug also doesn't need a buff because it'd make Volcarona even scarier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:30:34 No.57598199 Report

Quoted By: >>57598204

Reminder that an early game Bug is considered better than several legendaries, event legendaries, Skarmory, Scizor, Greninja, Weavile, Metagross, Salamence, Hydreigon, and Toxapex.

By the metric people use to say Ice doesn't need a buff, neither does Bug.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:31:21 No.57598202 Report

Quoted By: >>57598211 >>57598242

>>57598173
>Base heracross
>Mega fucking Beedrill
>Kleavor
>Fucking Durant
>Good
What the FUCK are you on about

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:31:42 No.57598204 Report

Quoted By: >>57598213

>>57598199
still not OU

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:32:37 No.57598210 Report

Quoted By: >>57598268

The RU GODS Durant and Kleavor demand your fealty

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:32:42 No.57598211 Report

Quoted By: >>57598329

>>57598202
Not him, but explain

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:32:55 No.57598213 Report

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>>57598204
Gen 9 UU is genuinely as strong as Gen 8 OU. If Lokix were released 1 gen earlier it would've made OU.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:37:24 No.57598228 Report

Quoted By: >>57598244 >>57598289

>kill arceus
>my aurorus gets to feast on the corpse of a dead god

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:40:44 No.57598242 Report

Quoted By: >>57598291 >>57598329

>>57598202
Base Heracross has always been good. It's just not OP like it was in Gens 2 and 3. It currently sits in the same tier as A-Ninetales, Flygon, Infernape, Swampert, Incineroar, Raikou, Porygon-Z, Registeel, Tornadus, Basculegion, and Amoongus, as well as ranking above the likes of Wo-Chien, Arcanine, H-Articuno, Goodra, Grimmsnarl, Hoopa, Kingdra, and Rotom-H.

>Mega Beedrill
Good in singles. Huge attack and speed stats, STAB U-turn, Drill Run to hit Steel types that resist its STABs, and Knock Off and Toxic Spikes to punish switches. If it weren't a Mega, it might be OU. The only downside is that it prevents you from using a better Mega.
>Kleavor
It's great in singles.
>Durant
It has a strong performance both in singles and doubles. Durant was everywhere in early Sword and Shield because of Dynamax.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:41:00 No.57598244 Report

Quoted By: >>57598250

>>57598228
What

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:41:59 No.57598250 Report

Quoted By: >>57598289

>>57598244
Do gods bleed?
Let's find out.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:45:18 No.57598268 Report

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>>57598210
Gen 9 RU is stacked. Need I remind you that this is what NUBL looks like this gen. Kleavor is as good as Salamence, Terrakion, Empoleon (post-buff), Mimikyu, Volcanion, Mamoswine, Magnezone, and Jiarchi.

It was true blue UU for a good long while this gen before Heatran, Greninja, and Serperior dropped to UU.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:49:44 No.57598289 Report

Quoted By: >>57598310

>>57598250
>>57598228
252+ Atk Arceus-Dragon Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Aurorus in Snow: 236-280 (60.9 - 72.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Aurorus Blizzard vs. 128 HP / 0 SpD Arceus-Dragon: 282-332 (68.2 - 80.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Even Arceus-Dragon outspeeds and 2HKOs Aurorus while living max investment Blizzard. The only hope Aurorus has of winning the matchup is by getting the Freeze proc on Blizzard. Even then, Arceus has a 20% chance to Flinch with Iron Head while Aurorus has a 10% chance to Freeze with Blizzard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:50:10 No.57598291 Report

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>>57598242
>Base Heracross has always been good. It's just not OP like it was in Gens 2 and 3.
Hercross fell off hard after gen 3, and doesn't have a consistent OU niche unlike Weavile, who's still a relevant OU threat to this day
>Good in singles
It was very mediocre for a mega due to its frailty and it's piss poor coverage. Not many teams would be better off running beedrill over a variety of mega sweepers that are available
>It's great in singles.
Kleavor has basically never seen play outside of RU. People assumed Kleavor would have been good, but it's actual performance has been terrible.
>It has a strong performance both in singles and doubles.
It had an early meta niche in UU during SS and has otherwise been an RU shitter for it's whole life

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:51:12 No.57598297 Report

Quoted By: >>57598301 >>57598303

>>57598181
>I stared at a fanfic tier list that doesn't even remotely resemble the game and how it was intended to be designed so that means it's bad
you first, smogcuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:51:37 No.57598301 Report

Quoted By: >>57598303

>>57598297
>I stared at a fanfic tier list
I don't read fanfic. Sorry your projection is wrong.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:52:00 No.57598302 Report

Quoted By: >>57598321 >>57598333

>>57598187
>Yeah, 2/3rds of the type gets to be dogshit
campaignshitter-kun, I hate to break this to you, but that's literally every type in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:52:04 No.57598303 Report

Quoted By:

>>57598297
>>57598301
neither of you place in tournaments

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:53:51 No.57598310 Report

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>>57598289
I'd skip the battle and go to the straight up killing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:53:56 No.57598311 Report

Quoted By: >>57598336

>>57598173
>the pokemon in the "overpowered" tier are barely even overpowered
>the pokemon in the "strong" tier are barely relevant
>the pokemon in the "good" and "average" tiers are almost entirely complete shit
yup no campaignshitter bias here at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:54:55 No.57598321 Report

Quoted By: >>57598337

>>57598302
Wrong. Dragon, Fairy, and Steel are more like 50% good, 25% mid, 25% bad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:56:00 No.57598329 Report

Quoted By: >>57598342

>>57598211
Those Pokemon aren't actually good. I hope this helps.

>>57598242
"""""good""""" in a fanfic tier of a fanfic format where every pokemon better than it is banned != good

Mega Beedrill is one of the worst megas in the game but retards like you deluded yourself into it being good because you play a completely made up format where the dozen megas better than it can't even compete with it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:56:25 No.57598333 Report

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>>57598302
You shit yourself if any of the Ice type Pokemon in that shit strawman got any stat changes.
Feels good to not be a Pokemon fan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:56:56 No.57598336 Report

Quoted By: >>57598344

>>57598311
>the pokemon in the "overpowered" tier are barely even overpowered
t. has never been around for Genesect-Christmas
>the pokemon in the "strong" tier are barely relevant
A lot of them have been dexcut. The only ones still in the game are Araquanid, Ribombee, Lokix, and Scizor, all of whom are relevant in Gen 9.
>the pokemon in the "good" and "average" tiers are almost entirely complete shit
Maybe in Doubles, but Doubles is a side mode. It's like saying "they're shit in Pokemon Contests". Yeah, no duh. Nobody cares.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:57:10 No.57598337 Report

Quoted By: >>57598361

>>57598321
There aren't even 25% good fairies let alone 50%.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:58:07 No.57598342 Report

Quoted By: >>57598353

>>57598329
>Mega Beedrill is one of the worst megas in the game
Huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:58:20 No.57598344 Report

Quoted By: >>57598373

>>57598336
>t. has never been around for Genesect-Christmas
I don't play fanfic garbage so I don't know what this is.

>Araquanid, Ribombee, Lokix, and Scizor
Only Araquanid and Scizor are good. Relevant in fanfic garbage != relevant

>Maybe in Doubles,
I mean "maybe" in the actual game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 16:59:49 No.57598353 Report

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>>57598342
>a glass cannon with one of the worst possible offensive STAB combos in existence that locks out your mega and can't even switch in without dying is one of the worst megas in the game
Huh?

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 17:01:42 No.57598361 Report

Quoted By: >>57598366

>>57598337
Yes there are. See: >>57598081

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 17:02:43 No.57598366 Report

Quoted By: >>57598380

>>57598361
No there aren't. See: >>57597933

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 17:03:35 No.57598373 Report

Quoted By: >>57598374

>>57598344
>Doubles
>The actual game
Doubles is a side mode like Triple Battles, Inverse Battles, Pokemon Contests, Poke-athlon, and so on. Sunkern being busted Poke-athlon isn't relevant to the actual game.

>Only Araquanid and Scizor are good. Relevant in fanfic garbage != relevant
Smogon is 6v6 singles, AKA real Pokemon, AKA the more relevant format.

You're so zesty, Verlisify.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 17:04:11 No.57598374 Report

Quoted By:

>>57598373
>>Doubles
>>The actual game
That's not what I said.

>Smogon is 6v6 singles, AKA real Pokemon
Cool, tell me which ranked format in the game lets me do 6v6 singles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 17:04:36 No.57598380 Report

Quoted By: >>57598467

>>57598366
No one takes the opinions of anyone who underrates the Tapus, Iron Valiant, and Clefable seriously.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 17:04:42 No.57598381 Report

Quoted By: >>57598385

its funny to see when both sides are ironically shitposting

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 17:05:38 No.57598385 Report

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>>57598381
Only one of us is ironically shitposting.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 17:27:57 No.57598467 Report

Quoted By: >>57598493

>>57598380
No one takes the opinions of anyone who plays smogshit seriously.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 17:35:23 No.57598493 Report

Quoted By: >>57598507

>>57598467

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 17:40:07 No.57598507 Report

Quoted By: >>57598518

>>57598493
cool now count the people who play on the actual game instead of your battle sim

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 17:41:50 No.57598518 Report

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>>57598507
Game Freak doesn't release actual numbers because they want to hide them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 19:15:34 No.57598949 Report

Quoted By: >>57598987

Freeze is converted into Frostbite
Ice now resists Electric and Poison
Sheer Cold now OHKOs based on some hard to achieve condition instead of RNG.
Snow Cloak is now a x1.5 boost to SpD in Snow
Watch as Yawnfag seeth

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 19:22:34 No.57598987 Report

Quoted By: >>57599048

>>57598949
>Freeze is converted into Frostbite
stopped reading there
fuck off retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 19:33:09 No.57599048 Report

Quoted By:

>>57598987
Absolutely seething

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 19:37:06 No.57599068 Report

Quoted By:

>>57596006
Give it resistance against Ground and Flying. Maybe give Rock resistance against Ice too so it has a niche too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Mar 2025 21:58:39 No.57599686 Report

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>>57598173
Every single game I try to train Vespiquen. I don't know why. Some part of me refuses to believe it's as bad as it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Mar 2025 00:58:56 No.57600608 Report

Quoted By: >>57600672 >>57600675

>>57597779
>explosion on a 50 base attack mon matters

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Mar 2025 01:09:41 No.57600672 Report

Quoted By:

>>57600608
it used to back when it cut defense in half during its use, you could slap a normal gem on anything with explosion and call it a day

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Mar 2025 01:10:41 No.57600675 Report

Quoted By: >>57600962

>>57600608
>a 500 BP move on a 50 base attack mon matters
Correct. I'm glad you're slowly learning more mechanics beyond the type chart.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 23 Mar 2025 02:18:18 No.57600962 Report

Quoted By:

>>57600675
explosion hasn't been 500 base in 15 years my friend

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