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Anonymous Sat 03 May 2025 15:42:59 No.57749604 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>57749693 >>57749795 >>57749803 >>57749821 >>57752686 >>57753745

Question for VGC Players: Why did Gamefreak introduce the open sheet rules, or whatever it's called?
Does that not just take the majority of the element of surprise and planning/countering to the game?
Does every turn not simply become a matter of I know what you have, you know what I have, I know that you know and you know that I know ultra 50/50 nonsense?

random hitmonlee for a thread image

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 May 2025 15:58:04 No.57749648 Report

Quoted By: >>57749737 >>57749756 >>57749937 >>57752555 >>57752708 >>57752827

Game Freak did not introduce anything. The PlayPokemon! program is handled entirely by TPCi (in all regions besides Asia) and by TPC in Asia. Open team sheets were introduced to account for the variability that teras introduce and balance gameplay. And no, every turn does no turn into ""an ultra 50/50"", please play at least one VGC game before asking questions that make you sound like a mentally disabled person (aka an average Smogon user).

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Anonymous Sat 03 May 2025 16:13:13 No.57749693 Report

Quoted By: >>57749831 >>57750156

>>57749604
Because even TPCi knows that Tera is a dogshit and unbalanced gimmick

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 May 2025 16:22:27 No.57749737 Report

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>>57749648
uh ok calm down

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 May 2025 16:26:03 No.57749756 Report

Quoted By: >>57749991

>>57749648
Smogon living free in your head lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 May 2025 16:37:19 No.57749795 Report

Quoted By: >>57749814 >>57750156

>>57749604
Open team sheets were introduced to check Teras. Too many games would be blown out by a Tera ghost Incineroar you couldn't realistically account for without it
Most people really don't care and it hasn't negatively impacted gameplay

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 May 2025 16:39:16 No.57749803 Report

Quoted By: >>57749814

>>57749604
>know what you have, you know what I have, I know that you know and you know that I know ultra 50/50 nonsense?
You don't know EVs and VGC is a bring 6 pick 4 format. There's still plenty of variance

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 May 2025 16:42:48 No.57749814 Report

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>>57749803
>>57749795
Fair, i guess I was probably thinking of too many What If scenarios with resist berries, or situational things like weakness policy / mirror herb but on the whole it's probably fine

Even card games have open deck lists I guess (obviously you don't know what cards your opponent drew but whatever)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 May 2025 16:44:35 No.57749821 Report

Quoted By: >>57749991

>>57749604
So far nobody here correctly explained that it's to make running tournaments easier. There are similar practices with TCGs, they're there as a baseline measure to prevent cheating/throwing out false cheating accusations

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 May 2025 16:46:55 No.57749831 Report

Quoted By: >>57749948 >>57752689

>>57749693
Still better than the worst gimmick, Gems
>b-b-but that's not a gimmick because I grew up with it!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 May 2025 17:19:19 No.57749937 Report

Quoted By: >>57749991

>>57749648
>Smogon out of nowhere
Seek help

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 May 2025 17:22:25 No.57749948 Report

Quoted By: >>57750030

>>57749831
Gems are okay, a less gay z moves

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 May 2025 17:34:05 No.57749991 Report

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>>57749756
>>57749937
oh no, i touched a nerve
>>57749821
you don't know what you're talking about. open team sheets don't make running tournaments any easier than they have been run for years. if anything, they introduce yet another layer of shit that staff has to take into account and check every single round. team sheets (closed, for staff only) have been a thing in VGC since 2015.
the amount of retards who have never even stepped foot into an event hall who just come here and regurgitate their own headcanon of what VGC is unbelievable

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 May 2025 17:43:50 No.57750030 Report

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>>57749948
Nah, gems far gayer Z moves, more overpowered and with none of the interesting support move effects. The one advantage gems have is shorter animations, which is a nice boon but not enough to make up for the AIDs of potentially having to deal with it on multiple Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 May 2025 18:13:07 No.57750156 Report

Quoted By: >>57750291

>>57749693
>>57749795
Literally nothing to do with Tera, open team sheets started being used in SWSH. It's mainly to prevent scouting/team leaking, something that becomes a problem at major events when big groups of friends (especially from the same country) gain an advantage by sharing opponent's info with each other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 03 May 2025 18:46:20 No.57750291 Report

Quoted By: >>57752430

>>57750156
The very first open team sheets tournament was the San Diego regional championships in January of 2023, using Scarlet and Violet. Please inform yourself, you're literally just spreading misinformation.
And while you're correct that OTS does alleviate scouting (which was in fact an issue in day 2, especially when day 2 was entirely played as a bracket), it is not even close to being the main motivation for the introduction of OTS into tournaments. The main motivation was teras introducing way too much variance into the game, like many people have pointed out in this thread.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 May 2025 05:41:29 No.57752430 Report

Quoted By: >>57754362

>>57750291
Inform yourself retard, open sheets started in SWSH, including both TPCi's online circuit and Japan's offline qualifiers. There was just no consistency due to the complications caused by covid until the end of the game, which is likely why it was solidified at the start of SV.

The idea that hiding tera is more powerful than anything else and encouraged open sheets is absurd, I would much rather know my opponent's moveset and items.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 May 2025 07:03:54 No.57752555 Report

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>>57749648
>Smogon bait right at the end
Why do this? They have VGC

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 May 2025 08:24:27 No.57752686 Report

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>>57749604
>Why did Gamefreak introduce the open sheet rules, or whatever it's called?
To counter balance top players who would have an information advantage over individuals. They could pool information about opponents and teams they faced to help each other in later rounds. It also counter balances the extreme volatility hidden teras and Tera Blast introduced. It's one thing to get screwed over in a match online by an out-of-left-field tera. It's a whole different matter to pay hundreds of dollars and travel for a day to have it happen. Far fewer players would be willing to literally gamble hundreds of dollars on that.
>Does that not just take the majority of the element of surprise and planning/countering to the game?
N o because you still need to have a plan to counter what they have. Plus VGC is pick 4 of 6 so the surprise element is still there, just in "which of their 6 will they bring?" It reduces it to a manageable level, but doesn't eliminate it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 May 2025 08:26:10 No.57752689 Report

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>>57749831
Gems aren't a gimmick because you can use more than one per battle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 May 2025 08:35:16 No.57752708 Report

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>>57749648
>Open team sheets were introduced to account for the variability that teras introduce and balance gameplay.

Wrong, Swsh had open team sheets and SuMo did as well, open team sheets are a necessity to prevent groups of players scouting for each other

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 May 2025 09:48:17 No.57752827 Report

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>>57749648
>how come single players don't know how to play doubles??? they must be STUPID!!
>t. top 128 player at Nebraska 2013 regional

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 May 2025 17:28:07 No.57753745 Report

Quoted By: >>57754362

>>57749604
guys, the real reason is that in SV you can't lock your battle team aside from online competitions, so without ots it would be easy to change items and moves in your team with no one noticing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 04 May 2025 20:36:39 No.57754362 Report

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>>57752430
>Players Cups were totally the same thing as an entire year's worth of in-person tournaments that lead up to Worlds, in fact I'm going to move my goal posts further and I'm even gonna call them a circuit
Also Japan only adopted OTS in top 8 of Nationals in 2023, after an entire season of OTS in the West. But by all means continue your VGC historian larp, it is very amusing
>>57753745
this is (also) correct

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