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Anonymous Mon 05 May 2025 13:45:00 No.57756826 View View Reply Original Report

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What mini game or feature do you miss from older gens?

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Anonymous Mon 05 May 2025 13:56:39 No.57756859 Report

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Battle Royale/FFA from Gen 7
It just need to be fully realized

And also PokéRecorder, why the fuck did they removed that shit?

Same with the Set/Switch and EXP. Share settings

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Anonymous Mon 05 May 2025 13:58:00 No.57756863 Report

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>>57756826
habitat list

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Anonymous Mon 05 May 2025 14:02:05 No.57756877 Report

Quoted By: >>57761199 >>57761587

Little things like the secret bases, the berry growing, etc.

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Anonymous Mon 05 May 2025 14:17:03 No.57756914 Report

Quoted By: >>57761364 >>57761587

I have a strange fondness for ball seals
Also riding pokemon (LGPE) if that counts

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 May 2025 14:33:50 No.57756965 Report

Quoted By: >>57756979 >>57758845 >>57758916

>>57756826
I think the premise of pokemon contests is great, as its another way to give value to a pokemon other than battling
RS had a few pokemon that were crap for battles but which seemed appropriate for contests, like roselia and luvdisc just to name two
I think if the system were more self contained, such as not getting contest stats from berries but from "contest exp" or something better, it would be easier to engage with

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Anonymous Mon 05 May 2025 14:36:27 No.57756972 Report

Quoted By: >>57761199 >>57767098

>>57756826
I don't think I liked contest in RSE as a kid, but I liked DP ones. I had a master rank beauty ribbon Flareon in DP that I was proud of getting

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 May 2025 14:40:36 No.57756979 Report

Quoted By: >>57758845

>>57756826
You just posted it, the one I want the most. Also I consider RSE and ORAS contests to be the best and truest variant of Pokémon Contests.

>>57756965
It would be so great to have a full Pokémon Contest side series. With contests made as in-depth as battles, contest base stats for Pokémon, a story more focussed for contests and online multiplayer contests for a contest-meta.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 05 May 2025 21:51:05 No.57758250 Report

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bump

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Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 00:34:54 No.57758845 Report

Quoted By: >>57758916 >>57760036

>>57756965
>>57756979
I've been thinking about making a contest fan game with redesigned contests.
It's a rather heavy redesing, with three pokemon per team and 25 turns where they rotate through all 5 conditions. But I have been debating if I should add Condition base stats or not...
Initially it doesn't sound like it should have a base stat, since that means all pokemon can participate equally with the only difference being their movepools.
On the other hand, stats would not only help create asymetry, but also give pokemon which are seldomly used like chimecho or sunflora especial role to play in another game.
There's also the issue of Smeargle, who can learn any move and would obviously be the optimal choice in all contexts. I would still try to make it a good mon to use stat wise, but not overly dominant.

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Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 00:52:29 No.57758916 Report

Quoted By: >>57760036

>>57758845 (me)
>>57756965
Also I do think feeding pokeblocks and growing berries is a good way to track progress.
What I would do is
-revamp the pokeblock making minigame so you have different objets that can be won at contests and help make more effective pokeblocks
-gate some of the best berries for contests and berry growing objects behind contests.
-this is very important, give us a way to reset sheen. That way you can gate the best pokeblocks for the late game while not worrying as much with maxing sheen durikg the first few contests where you don't have the best berries.

I think feeding pokeblocks is a good way of interacting with your pokemon, and I would like it if it was part of a pokemon amie/refresh like minigame. Basically lean on to the virtual pet aspect of the game, which I think would go well with the kind of people who would be interested in pokemon contests.

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Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 07:45:08 No.57760036 Report

Quoted By: >>57760495

>>57758845
>>57758916
These are very good ideas! Also, are you the same person who made the Contest Rework thread here from may of 2023? That thread's OP image had a wheel with a star, a Poké Ball and every contest Category. These ideas seem similar and appear to continue from that thread.

If that's the case, I'm so glad you're still thinking of making a contest fan-game. Also, I'm for having Contest Base Stats for Pokémon. I remember really liking your ideas for Charm, Grace, and Appearance Stats.

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Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 08:04:34 No.57760101 Report

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>>57756826
I miss them all 2bh
gen 3 contests, bug catching contest, radio shows, phonecalls, secret bases, game corner, berry growing, pokeball seals, pokewalker, mystery gift, room decor, safari zone, pokeblocks/poffins
so much soul, lost over the years

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Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 08:47:48 No.57760194 Report

Quoted By: >>57764118

>>57756826
Pokeathlon was great, tried to roid up my team with berry juices (with mixed results) and tried to complete all the courses, though I sucked ass at the football one. Also enjoyed Gen 5's Join Avenue, customizing and maxing up the stores. Pokestar Studios was also great and tried to get all the endings. I remember going off-script in a movie out of luck and ended up with villainess Sabrina instead of saving the princess, good times.

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Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 12:25:37 No.57760495 Report

Quoted By: >>57761587 >>57762591

>>57760036
Yes, I am.
Surprised you still remember that lol
I haven't found much free time, but I did make progress on documentation.
I did try a prototype in unity but due to having not much free time from work and uni I haven't been able to dedicate proper time on it.
I did progress on documentation and tried to iron out some issues I thought it had.
I'm currently working out the base stat issue, how to make the conditions interact with the Grace, Appearance and Charm stats(as in the exact formula I will use) and the combo system.
Once I get those down I will just move towards move effects and stats, finish the combo system, then start working on a rough contest engine.

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Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 16:40:21 No.57761199 Report

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>>57756877
I'm surprised neither came back with all those base building and farming games that became popular a while ago
>>57756972
I didn't like the dancing minigame in DP.

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Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 16:43:43 No.57761208 Report

Quoted By: >>57761543

bring back the pokeathlon shit was cash

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Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 16:55:27 No.57761250 Report

Quoted By: >>57761262 >>57761379 >>57761396 >>57761446 >>57761571

>>57756826
This one was so good. It added a sense of mystery to the Kanto lore and some difficulty as well

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 16:59:30 No.57761262 Report

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>>57761250
SOUL

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Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 17:15:10 No.57761327 Report

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>>57756826
B2W2 achievement medals. Beating the Elite Four with monotype teams would be a hell of a lot easier these days with things like exp candies.

>>57756863
This is a good one. It's lore that makes the world feel more natural.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 17:23:25 No.57761354 Report

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>>57756826
The shiny jingle that played whenever one spawned from PLA. It seemed like such a no-brainer to bring forward, yet for some asinine reason they went backwards and SV didn't have it, and LZA probably won't have it either.
If the twats are going to deliberately make shinies that are basically impossible to discern from their originals (Tandemaus line, Paldean Tauros, etc.) just to spite the system, at least let us know when they spawn so we can start ripping through fodder to find it.

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Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 17:26:55 No.57761364 Report

Quoted By: >>57761587

>>57756914
We might have still had this if it wasn't for them making the letters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 17:31:44 No.57761379 Report

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>>57761250
gba kino...

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Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 17:37:01 No.57761396 Report

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>>57761250
Evolutions?

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Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 17:47:37 No.57761446 Report

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>>57761250

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Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 18:17:17 No.57761543 Report

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>>57761208
Pokeathlon was basically just a bunch of flash minigames though

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 18:25:32 No.57761571 Report

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>>57761250
This should have been a feature in gen 4 with all the cross gen evos.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 06 May 2025 18:29:42 No.57761587 Report

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>>57760495
I tend to remember some of the really good threads/posts I see. Nice to see you still working on your contest game. Please feel to free to take your time to make it good. To my knowledge, this would be the first major Pokémon Contests fan-game of notable scale.

>>57756914
>>57761364
I like these, but feel it's different for 3D than 2D. Still I like being able to customize the animation effects of our Pokémon exiting their ball. They were also looked nice in the anime.

>>57756877
Secret Bases were so fun, creative and useful. I also remember doing Berry farming daily during gen 6.

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Anonymous Wed 07 May 2025 00:11:59 No.57762581 Report

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>>57756826
This

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 May 2025 00:15:25 No.57762591 Report

Quoted By: >>57762877 >>57765531

>>57760495
Add the Pokemon dress up thing too please

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 May 2025 01:29:10 No.57762805 Report

Quoted By: >>57765505

Since you seem to remember how the rules of my contests work. What do you think about the following as a combo system?
All moves have two latent effects that won't be triggered when the move is used. And all moves can be a Lead move, a Follow Up move, and a Closing move.
When you use a Lead move you start the combo.
Then to continue the combo you must use either a Follow Up or a Closing move that matches one of the latent effects of the Lead move. Imagine it like a game of dominos.
For example
Sunny Day is a Lead and has
[Boost Charm|Raises Hype]
Petal Dance is a Follow Up and has
[Raises Hype|Boost Beauty]
Perish Song is a Closing move and had
[Boost Beauty|Makes All Nervous]

And the combo goes like this
Sunny Day -> Petal Dance -> Perish Song

[Boost Charm|Raises Hype][Raises Hype|Boost Beauty][Boost Beauty|Makes All Nervous]

So which activate? The ones that overlap.
So in this case Boost Beauty and Raises Hype.

But this is not hardcoded as a combo, it's modular.

Let's imagine two more moves

Blizzard is a closing move

[Boosts Charm|Boosts Tough]

Dragon Dance is a Follow Up

[Boost Charm|Makes All Nervous]

So you could use, for example
Just Sunny Day then Blizzard

[Raises Hype|Boost Charm][Boost Charm|Boost Tough]

This two move combo just boosts charm.
Then the combo Sunny Day, Dragon Dance, Perish Song.

[Raises Hype|Boosts Charm][Boost Charm|Makes All Nervous][Makes All Nervous|Boost Beauty]

So Boost Charm and Make All Nervous gets activated.

Combos can only have one opening and one closing move, but up to two follow ups in between. The idea is to make the combo system more modular, rather than mere memorisation, and you could potentially steer towards another closing move mid combo to try to salvage an unfavourable situation.
Longer combos have a higher risks of being interrupted by getting startled, so there is a bit of risk and reward going on.

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Anonymous Wed 07 May 2025 01:47:34 No.57762877 Report

Quoted By: >>57765531

>>57762591
I might think a way to do that, waaay after I have the contest engine down though.
The way I'm designing them only has one phase, the Appeal stage.
But I might put in clothes and accesories later on as cosmetics for your pokemon, rather than them having a direct effect on contests.

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Anonymous Wed 07 May 2025 13:09:03 No.57764118 Report

Quoted By: >>57765505

>>57760194
What did you like about the pokeathlon?
I liked the general idea and theming, but the gameplay was just like playing Mario Party alone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 07 May 2025 13:26:36 No.57764157 Report

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Pokemon World Tournament.

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Anonymous Wed 07 May 2025 20:46:56 No.57765505 Report

Quoted By: >>57765531

>>57762805
I'm liking this.
>All moves have two latent effects that won't be triggered when the move is used. And all moves can be a Lead move, a Follow Up move, and a Closing move.
This appears to be more in-depth and interesting than the existing contest Move combo system. You're making every able to be part of a combo and have some effect in one, you also have combos longer than two turns. Even just these two changes alone adds more depth, possibilities and strategies as your examples show. I'd like experimenting with that combo system.

>>57762805
My feelings on including dress-up could go either way depending heavily on how it's implemented and the exact specifics of it. A major factor being if it's for a 3D game or a 2D game, which would also change how it'd be for that anon to implement that.
>>57764118
>But I might put in clothes and accesories later on as cosmetics for your pokemon, rather than them having a direct effect on contests.
Since one negative I remember people saying about the idea of contest Base Stats was it making some Pokémon better than others. Perhaps you could make them give Stat buffs and other buffs, only to specific Pokémon. I feel it wouldn't really make sense for Accessories to not have an effect on Pokémon in the context of Pokémon Contests. It kinda makes a way of "balancing".

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Anonymous Wed 07 May 2025 20:52:15 No.57765531 Report

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I quoted the wrong posts in this post I made:
>>57765505

Second one was meant to be for:
>>57762591
Third one was meant to be for:
>>57762877

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Anonymous Wed 07 May 2025 21:18:56 No.57765633 Report

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Personally I don't get why certain features that make the world feel more alive EVER get dropped.
>following pokemon.
I could MAYBE get gen 5 skipping it due to all the sprites they'd need, but they ended up reusing them from hgss and making all the new pokemon's walk cycles for the dreamworld forest thing anyways and they could have copied the hgss code. Gen 6 is less acceptable, full 3d was a big change but the environment was still grid based and the models still needed a ton of animations anyways that often already included walk/run cycles or at least parts of one, if they really wanted to be lazy they could do basic walk cycles by body type with a few tweaks per pokemon (even if it was just the popular ones) and speed it up for running. By gen 7 they all already had proper walk/run cycles and bone animations can be ported to new models and engines with a script, no excuses.
>berry farming
At least the gen 3 and 4 version. Gen 6's mutation mechanic is a bit more involved, but plant berryset variablesstart timer is nothing.
>day/night
A dumb exclusion in gen 3. Yes I know, gba screen. I played crystal on gba, it was no more of a problem than the lack of a backlight was in general. Just add a slight blue/purple tint (like a 5-10% hue shift) to the world, yellow/orange on lights - obvious night without making it too dark. Frlg didn't even have an internal clock, they removed just to say "lol we don't have umbreon in Kanto!" Swsh locking time in some areas until post-game raises concerns they might cut it again in the future.

For the stuff that DOES require a significant development investment: >contests
Stuff to do with your pokemon besides battles. A chance for uncompetitive pokemon to shine.
>secret bases
Space to decorate and call your own. Better than your room or the villa because you choose the location.
>pokemonamie
It's great we can let pokemon out of the ball for camp or picnics, but I miss actually getting to feed, pet, and PLAY WITH them.

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Anonymous Wed 07 May 2025 21:24:05 No.57765659 Report

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>>57756826
Pokestar studios was some good stuff, I also liked the Black Tower and White Forest, they were meant to be infinite dungeon crawling floors originally and I think that kind of concept could have worked as a mini-game that never gets old

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Anonymous Wed 07 May 2025 21:43:37 No.57765726 Report

Quoted By: >>57766302 >>57767098 >>57769319

>>57756826
I wish there was a smogon for contests

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Anonymous Thu 08 May 2025 00:58:35 No.57766302 Report

Quoted By: >>57769319

>>57765726
The issue with contests as they stand now is they are not very well thought out for pvp. You could do it but I don't think they would be very competitive like smogon battles are.
Smeargle is pretty much the only pokemon you need, or rather it is the most optimal choice because the only thing that differentiates pokemon species in contests now is just their movepools. As individuals there is natures, which have an effect on the first stage of the contest where you present your pokemon. Natures help you raise some conditions faster, but there's ways to actually just raise all conditions to 255. And unlike EV, which you can distribute onto multiple stats, in contests all it matter is the condition for the type of contest you sre participating in. You don't even need to use exploits to max out one condition to 255.
But perhaps I'm exagerating, it would be nice to have a pvp contest format just like the one in gen 3 where we can see exactly how flawed the system is. I will admit I never got to try out the multiplayer in the GBA since you needed 4 players interested in raising a pokemon for contests, so maybe the system is not as flawed as it seems at first glance against the CPU.

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Anonymous Thu 08 May 2025 07:29:11 No.57767098 Report

Quoted By: >>57768031

>>57765726
I had the strategy guide but I don't remember it being that deep in RSE. I remember getting all ribbons for one of my pokes just spamming the same combo. I probably need a refresher.

>>57756972
I remember not liking contests in DPPt but I don't remember that one much either

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Anonymous Thu 08 May 2025 14:39:27 No.57768031 Report

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>>57767098
Part of that is probably because the CPU monsters are badly built and the CPU doesn't know how to interrupt your combo. It COULD work better in multiplayer

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Anonymous Thu 08 May 2025 14:41:34 No.57768043 Report

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The Safari Zone. I loved throwing rocks at Wild Pokemon.

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Anonymous Thu 08 May 2025 14:42:28 No.57768045 Report

Quoted By: >>57769053

I promise I'm not a Unovabortion, buuut...
>Triples
>Rotations
>Wonder Launcher
The last one especially had potential.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 May 2025 19:52:15 No.57769053 Report

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>>57768045
I really wished those three stayed in the series.
>The last one especially had potential.
Agreed. It felt like a great way to have Items in PvP Pokémon Battles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 08 May 2025 21:04:03 No.57769319 Report

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>>57765726
I also want a contest meta.

Some one needs to make a good contest simulator and there needs to be a place online to talk about Pokémon Contests specifically.

>>57766302
For sure it wouldn't be as complex as the real meta for Pokémon Battles. But it's still possible for a contest meta to be a thing so I'd like to see what it would be like.
>Smeargle is pretty much the only pokemon you need
Yes, Smeargle would need to be banned. But this then goes into the idea of tiers and other fan-made contest-content like the other anon in this thread wanting to make a contest-fangame.

>>57768031
This. Playing Pokémon Contests against actual other players, especially in a contest meta, is a different matter to against these:
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/List_of_Contest_opponents

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