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Pokemon Champions

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 05:19:37 No.58040451 View View Reply Original Report

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Real leaked info on Champions was apparently posted here back in May. Correctly stating things like "VP" as the currency and a 2026 release date long before the recent Presents trailer.

https://archive.palanq.win/vp/thread/57801830/#57801830

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 05:24:43 No.58040456 Report

Quoted By: >>58040464

>>58040451
>Championfags lost
>Freefags lost
>Allmonsandgimmicksavailablefags lost
>Omgons will lose when their shovelware slop gets DCAed
Damn what a slaughter

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Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 05:28:05 No.58040464 Report

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>>58040456
>Allmonsandgimmicksavailablefags lost
We knew every mon wouldn't be available since the first Champion trailer

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 06:32:24 No.58040639 Report

Quoted By: >>58041822

>>58040451
meh anyone could have guessed a 2026 release date. guessing vp as the currency name is the only thing remotely credible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 09:04:37 No.58040929 Report

Quoted By: >>58041626 >>58041822 >>58042599

Clearly fake, nothing here is correct apart from guessing VP (not that hard) and what it's used on isn't correct either.

>Centro actually posted this
Dear god what a retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 13:53:30 No.58041605 Report

Quoted By: >>58045909

>>58040451
What's the point of only having 350 mons at launch when there's no improvement towards animation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 14:05:48 No.58041626 Report

Quoted By: >>58046237

>>58040929
You actually scared about gen10 not being VGC anymore kek. Welcome to the era of LEGENDS ONLY GAMES

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 14:07:46 No.58041629 Report

Quoted By: >>58045902

>>58040451
this is confirmation of another leak posted about gen 10
they are going to have different style of combat (likely the same as za) for the main games and keep turn based cancer locked to this dogshit mobileslop "game"
thank fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 14:14:50 No.58041636 Report

Quoted By: >>58041655 >>58043786 >>58049747

>>58040451
Victory Points is a very out-there call-out, since we've standardly used Battle Points for nearly 20 years, so I'll take it with a grain of salt.
In any case
>350 pokemon at launch
I'm just going to immediately assume it's 350 fully evolved/standalone/legendary pokemon, so no pre-evos. Just in the case of starters, that's 27 out of 81 pokemon getting in. 350 still doesn't account for everything, so it will probably be a case where pokemon like Raticate, Farfetch'd, Noctowl, Bibarel and the Simi's eat the mightiest of shits.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 14:25:28 No.58041655 Report

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>>58041636
>I'm just going to immediately assume it's 350 fully evolved/standalone/legendary pokemon, so no pre-evos.
awfully generous of you

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Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 15:16:51 No.58041822 Report

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>>58040451
>This is so they can make the mainline games larger, more expansive, and improve overall gameplay/graphics.
anyone in the chain who ever said, believed or fixed this as their target is delusional
>>58040639
>>58040929
The part about VP not being purchasable is correct

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 19:12:26 No.58042599 Report

Quoted By: >>58042608 >>58044572 >>58048233

>>58040929
>nothing here is correct apart from guessing VP (not that hard)
Is "VP" a popular name for mobile game currency or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 19:15:20 No.58042608 Report

Quoted By: >>58042674

>>58042599
no he’s just assblasted his turn based slop will be going away

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 25 Jul 2025 19:35:25 No.58042674 Report

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>>58042608
Champions IS turned based slop. What the hell are you talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 00:34:05 No.58043786 Report

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>>58041636
>I'm just going to immediately assume it's 350 fully evolved/standalone/legendary pokemon, so no pre-evos
The leak also mentions the game having lots of different challenges and events with special rules. So it's likely the pre-evos could still be in and still have a purpose from little cup type events.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 00:38:47 No.58043795 Report

Quoted By: >>58043903

>>58040451
> Pokemon Clothes

So, I can customize my pokemon as well?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 01:25:34 No.58043903 Report

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>>58043795
You can put them in clothes in Unite so I don't see why they couldn't do the same for Champions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 06:44:49 No.58044572 Report

Quoted By: >>58044587

>>58042599
Pokemon has a history of point systems named similarly (Battle Points, League Points) and the idea of a live service PvP game having a currency that relies on victories isn't unpredictable. It's a good guess, but not such a wild guess that it gives credit to the whole post that got nothing else correct.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 06:55:52 No.58044587 Report

Quoted By: >>58044664

>>58044572
>but not such a wild guess that it gives credit to the whole post that got nothing else correct.
Nothing else in the post has been incorrect though. They gave us so little info about Champions in the Presents that this "leak" that got VP correct is now a waiting room for everything else in the post to be proven/disproven.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 07:56:51 No.58044664 Report

Quoted By: >>58044703 >>58045872

>>58044587
>Nothing else in the post has been incorrect though.
It's conveniently full of things that can't really be disproven, so that doesn't mean shit. Some basic critical thinking can easily explain why it's fake though, a real leak with this much text would be at least a little more accurate.

For one, VP is used to buy and edit Pokemon, it's probably the most fundamental system in the game yet all that's mentioned here is obscure things like buying healing items (???) and held items. Second, there is lots of talk about single player content here when the game is still advertising itself as an online only competitive game, the official site basically says the only 3 modes are ranked, casual and private. I would also argue the mention of level 50/100 is proven wrong, levels aren't shown anywhere and look to be replaced with an infinity symbol, Pokemon just have Lv50 stats by default.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 08:24:40 No.58044703 Report

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>>58044664
>For one, VP is used to buy and edit Pokemon, it's probably the most fundamental system in the game yet all that's mentioned here is obscure things like buying healing items (???) and held items. Second, there is lots of talk about single player content here when the game is still advertising itself as an online only competitive game
It's possible this guy was a playtester for the single player stuff, which could have healing items for some challenges. He also mentions that rental teams are only for casual play (would likely include single player), which are most definitely fully built without the need to spend VP editing their stats/moves/etc.
>levels aren't shown anywhere and look to be replaced with an infinity symbol, Pokemon just have Lv50 stats by default.
The infinite sign isn't the level, it's how long you own the pokemon. The trailer shows fully buying Gardevoir instead of using the 7 day trial.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 16:47:21 No.58045872 Report

Quoted By: >>58045927 >>58046000

>>58044664
>a real leak with this much text would be at least a little more accurate.
How is this not accurate? If you are expecting info like "this held item costs X amount of currency" then you gotta realize currency/pricing stuff is constantly changing throughout development.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 16:54:32 No.58045902 Report

Quoted By: >>58046144

>>58041629
Heavily doubt Pokemon would remove turn-based combat from mainline games. Pokemon afterall is targeted mostly to kids and Legends to bit older kids. Maybe they could do some more watered down mixture of the two, but idk. Even if it would remain in Champions it would be pretty weird move

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 16:56:34 No.58045909 Report

Quoted By: >>58049737

>>58041605
mobile games need to give a hook to keep people coming back

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 17:03:16 No.58045927 Report

Quoted By: >>58045943

>>58045872
>How is this not accurate?
Because VP does something entirely different than what it says it does in the OP image? Editing stats isn't even mentioned. Rental Pokemon are described insanely poorly and with so few details that it doesn't line up with the rest of what we've seen. Currency is such a non-name that I'm baffled they even included it in the fake ass post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 17:08:56 No.58045943 Report

Quoted By: >>58045995

>>58045927
If you need VP to buy pokemon and edit stats then it's pretty safe to say you'll also be using it to buy your held items.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 17:25:30 No.58045995 Report

Quoted By: >>58049683

>>58045943
Yes, but why mention that when there's no mention of the big huge main feature of VP? Why mention a singleplayer mode that is implied to simply not fucking exist in such detail? Why mention a fake sounding really real money thing and then mention "some" items are included in it without specifying what the fuck that means? We've probably seen enough menus to know that said currency doesn't have a space in the UI and they love to show that in every relevant place. Literally the only thing the OP image gets correct about VP is that it's gained from playing the game (which let's also be frank you can probably gain some trivial amount from losing battles as long as you faint some Pokemon to prevent soft-locking the player). It also doesn't mention the Battle Pass thing which probably contains VP, based on how the phrasing of the disclaimer about it includes the inability to "directly" purchase it and how likely it is they'll just throw some in there as a filler reward between the limited time cosmetics and other shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 17:28:09 No.58046000 Report

Quoted By: >>58046050

>>58045872
>If you are expecting info like "this held item costs X amount of currency"
No, I'm expecting literally any info that's not just the name of a currency. It's a big ass post and somehow nothing else matches up with the newest trailer that details several important features and mechanics that a leaker would know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 17:44:47 No.58046050 Report

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>>58046000
>newest trailer that details several important features and mechanics
The newest trailer hardly showed fucking anything. "vp" being the name of a currency was one of the only things we learned.

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Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 17:54:33 No.58046083 Report

Quoted By: >>58046593 >>58050187

>>58040451
If real this actually sounds cool. Literally just a modern stadium. My main hunch is the graphics, a game that's only battles should look way better.

Hoping the switch 2 version looks really good and what we saw in the trailer was only mobile/switch 1 gameplay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 18:17:20 No.58046144 Report

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>>58045902
Then whar the fuck would be point of Champions if turn-based combat stays in Gen 10? Just to say "Fuck you" to Showdown?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 18:22:43 No.58046157 Report

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>>58046144
That and have a consistently updating platform to have every single Pokemon usable in reasonable ways, which lightens the load of the main game's development while also feeling less like a "fuck you" like the Switch titles did. I mean, why let Smogon exist when they could be doing a similar thing, gamify it, and make tons of money off of people buying hats for their trainers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 18:32:22 No.58046190 Report

Quoted By: >>58046219

>>58046144
>Just to say "Fuck you" to Showdown?
Champions ONLY EXISTS because they saw how popular Showdown was and got big $$ symbols in their eyes.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 18:35:20 No.58046195 Report

Quoted By: >>58046890

>>58046144
Because they want to have a platform where people can use the old gimmicks and they're trying really hard to get more people into competitive play, Swsh was supposed to be a HUGE increase in comp play but Covid fucked them over

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 18:36:34 No.58046199 Report

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>>58046144
ability to use all pokemon in one place. this place has been bitching about the dex cut for the better part of a decade.
it will also funnel a lot of people into maintaining bank subscriptions to transfer stuff over, and they'll be able to monetize it in ways they wouldn't do for a mainline game with constant updates/paid cosmetics/events etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 18:38:08 No.58046203 Report

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>>58046144
Unironically, yes. Champions propably would let Game Freak focus on making mainline better, with or without online match capabilities and maybe with or maybe not with traditional turn-based battles.

Also, more easily acessable way to atteact more VGC players and get money on side of it.

"Fuck you" to Smogon is a bonus

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 18:39:43 No.58046210 Report

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>>58040451
Seems about what I was expecting, if not better. As long as microtransactions are relegated to cosmetics, I really don't care.

>VP can be spent on healing items and general-held items. While currency can be spent on stadium skins, clothes, and exclusive held items
>exclusive held items
The wording of this worries me though. Like there's going to be special held items you can only get with money? Optimistically I could see this being rare items like mega stones and you could still get them with what little currency you earn while playing freely, just that it could take time to grind enough for multiple. Basically making you choose which mega stones you want to get now and which later.
That still sounds bullshit but manageable bullshit at least.

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Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 18:42:43 No.58046219 Report

Quoted By: >>58046280 >>58046379

>>58046190
Delusional. Smogon is niche to everyone outside of competitive players. This is just another Stadium game (I swear the people comparing it to Smogon are too young to even remember they existed) exactly as they showed in the trailer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 18:45:57 No.58046232 Report

Quoted By: >>58046348 >>58050143 >>58050442 >>58050536

>>58040451
This post mentioned Victory Points too:
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/57915717/#57915717

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 18:47:02 No.58046237 Report

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>>58041626
Literally no VGC player would be scared of gen 10 not having VGC, it'd save many of the them the headache of having to hack or spend hours hunting a 0 atk/spe IV legendary. Granted OP's post is still 90% inaccurate based on only what we've seen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 18:59:53 No.58046280 Report

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>>58046219
>exactly as they showed in the trailer.
The trailer spent more time on the stat editor than anything else, which is more smogon related than stadium.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 19:33:00 No.58046348 Report

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>>58046232
This one is a bit more credible since it mentions stuff like IVs no longer being a thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 19:41:24 No.58046379 Report

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>>58046219
If it was just a Stadium successor without any Showdown inspiration, then it would be a $80 paid game, wouldn't release on smartphones, Showdown wouldn't be been blocked from having a mobile app etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 20:53:02 No.58046593 Report

Quoted By: >>58046669 >>58046851

>>58046083
They basically ripped the ranked mode off of Pokemon Scarlet and made it into an app. So far from what I've seen, this shit is lazy as hell. The game has no charm whatsoever.

If people thought Battle Revolution stripped the soul of the Stadium series, they've seen nothing yet.

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Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 21:13:20 No.58046669 Report

Quoted By: >>58046851

>>58046593
as much as I'd like to believe these leaks, I know deep down just how insanely lazy GF is. Champions will be a bare minimum battle sim and nothing else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 22:01:49 No.58046851 Report

Quoted By: >>58049810

>>58046593
No, they basicaly robbed the showdown formula, married it to the core game ecosystem and are aiming to C'n'D the spergs who think they're untouchable.
>>58046669
Game Freak aren't making it retard-chan. Ishihara is and the fact you ACTUALLY thought he wasn't 10 times lazier than you assume Game Freak to be's fucking hilarious. Man didn't want to bother with any more console games after GO took off, which is why he hasn't actually provided any kind of budget for what he DID shit out over the last 8 years.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 22:06:15 No.58046873 Report

Quoted By: >>58047850

>>58046144
Right now VGC events are a clusterfuck, both in having to make your team and the actual running of the event, having to make a union room with the guy across from you, start a battle, and hope you don't dc. Moving the tournament stuff to a dedicated game means they can actually bug fix it and add features like saving the state of battle between turns so that in the rare event of a dc you can pick up right where you left off. They could also add saving replays and spectator mode. All the basic features a pvp game should have but don't because GF is too lazy to care about the actual torunament scene outside of Japan where they just do everything with wifi tournaments through the Battle Stadium.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 22:09:51 No.58046890 Report

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>>58046195
That's just it, though, SwSh DID make competitive get bigger. Most tournaments caped out in the 200-300 range pre Gen 8 and now even regional sells out and hits 800+ almost immediately. It's actually a huge problem because TPC reserves these convention centers years in advance and none of them are large enough. It's the reason they changed the World rules this year to be top 75 from each region instead of anyone who hit the CP threshold. Too many people were qualifying for Worlds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 26 Jul 2025 23:11:28 No.58047064 Report

Quoted By: >>58049641

>This is the first game from The Pokémon Works, a joint venture between The Pokémon Company and ILCA.
owari da

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 03:32:38 No.58047850 Report

Quoted By: >>58048110

>>58046873
>like saving the state of battle between turns so that in the rare event of a dc you can pick up right where you left off
Despite Champions being meant for competitive play I cannot see them adding a feature like this simply from TPC being incompetent shitheads.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 04:14:03 No.58047954 Report

Quoted By: >>58047995

>>58046144
Same reason why they made Stadium and Battle Revolution in past

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 04:33:30 No.58047995 Report

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>>58047954
Those games where made to show off pokemon battles in 3d.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 05:45:00 No.58048110 Report

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>>58047850
TPCI and Ilca created a whole new studio just for this game, so hopefully the people they put in charge of that won't be retarded. Without a single player campaign to worry about, hopefully they can put all of their energy and thought into the things that make a good online multiplayer game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 06:31:44 No.58048214 Report

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>>58046144
Let's think about this. Pokemon has had this same turn-based mechanic for nearly 30 years. Sure they have had some things added and removed, but regardles. Now comes in Z-A that brakes this rule and makes it real time combat and gets released later this year. Champions will have the same mechanic we all know of and gets released in 2026. Now, this doesn't prove Gen 10 would have turn-based combat, but it doesn't mean it would have Z-A style either. Maybe it has one of them, maybe a mixture of them, hell maybe something even new, but regardles, Champions doesn't exist only for Game Freak to keep old mechanic there and keep moving with real-time combat. It exists to make VGC larger

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 06:33:43 No.58048219 Report

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>>58046144
with champions you play all the past gimmicks
with the current gen the newest one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 06:36:57 No.58048223 Report

Quoted By: >>58048247

>>58040451
Gym Leaders/Champions appearing in the game sounds too good to be true, especially considering that Masters exists.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 06:43:08 No.58048233 Report

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>>58042599
It's not a hard guess when we've had
>P (but called athlete points, not sure why not named AP in HGSS)
>BP (battle & blueberry)
>CP (castle in Frontier & combat in Go)
>DP (dream)
>LP (league)
>MP (merit)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 06:48:37 No.58048247 Report

Quoted By: >>58048284 >>58049807

>>58048223
Isn't it kinda fucked up that we've been so beaten down by the past few shitass generations that something like old gym leaders showing up sounds impossible? Like they've literally done it before in the HGSS battle frontier and the Stadium games had entire game modes based around beating the gym leaders yet the sheer laziness of GF/TPC from the past decade has set our standard so low.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 07:12:51 No.58048284 Report

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>>58048247
M-making 3D models is hard, pureasu undasutando.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 08:06:07 No.58048351 Report

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>>58040451
>"VP" as the currency
wow what a worthless currency

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 17:53:06 No.58049555 Report

Quoted By: >>58049582 >>58049657

>>58040451
Well this is just me thinking but.wont this game mean you can just play pokemon go and champions and not need the main line games anymore?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 18:00:32 No.58049582 Report

Quoted By: >>58049641

>>58049555
TPC would love nothing more than that. The mainline games are expensive to make, but required to make the new Pokemon needed to sell the merchandise that makes up 5/6th of Pokemon's profits. If they can make it so the video game parts where the Pokemon come from are as cheap as possible, they can save money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 18:20:08 No.58049641 Report

Quoted By: >>58049711

>>58047064
Reminder that The Pokémon Works also had a part in Friends and has taken over development of Sleep as of 2024.
>>58049582
>required to make the new Pokemon needed to sell the merchandise that makes up 5/6th of Pokemon's profits
I wonder exactly how much of those profits is from new Pokémon given all the merchandise announcements from anything outside of Pokémon Center is almost always Gen 1 this and Gen 1 that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 18:24:06 No.58049657 Report

Quoted By: >>58049676

>>58049555
With needing VP to adjust anything it sounds like having a mainline game + home will save you a ton of grinding by being able to transfer over fully battle ready mons.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 18:27:50 No.58049676 Report

Quoted By: >>58049689

>>58049657
That's the idea, plus it's unlikely they'll let you rent Gen 10 mons right out the gate, DLC mons especially, just like how SV doesn't just let you get the Hisui mons without transfer, when many of them played a vital role in SV's early VGC metagame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 18:29:55 No.58049683 Report

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>>58045995
>Why mention a singleplayer mode that is implied to simply not fucking exist in such detail?
I mean, even stuff like Pokemon TCG Pocket technically has a single-player mode, even if it's barebones. They don't really call attention to it in trailers since it's not the point of the game, but it's there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 18:31:09 No.58049689 Report

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>>58049676
>plus it's unlikely they'll let you rent Gen 10 mons right out the gate
Even if Champions DOES get gen 10 mons day 1 it would cost a ton of VP to unlock such a large batch of new mons AND you'd also constantly be spending VP to theorycraft new builds.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 18:40:18 No.58049711 Report

Quoted By: >>58049760

>>58049641
Pokemon's marketing is a three-pronged strategy:
>Gen 1 Pokemon are the "core Pokemon". They make it a point to constantly keep them in rotation so every Pokemon fan knows them. They're meant to be a uniting factor between all Pokemon fans.
>The most recent generation is to give them something fresh to market every few years.
>Nostalgia throwbacks are meant to appeal to fans who were active during a specific previous generation. (for example, the big gen 4 promotion a few years back was specifically for fans who were in the right age range to be nostalgic for gen 4)
It works because it keeps a balance instead of over-saturating the market with one thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 18:41:26 No.58049716 Report

Quoted By: >>58049723 >>58050192 >>58050489

Champions is killing showdown and the concept of postgame got it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 18:43:35 No.58049723 Report

Quoted By: >>58049727

>>58049716
Postgame was already nonexistent as of SWSH anyway, no battle facility worth playing, only shiny hunting and raid grinding to play after you caught all the legendaries and did all the events.
And then SV was more of the same, only shiny hunting and raid grinding once you caught all the legendaries and did all the events, this time without ANY battle facility whatsoever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 18:44:08 No.58049727 Report

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>>58049723
Thank fuck for romhacks and fangames, holy shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 18:45:53 No.58049737 Report

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>>58045909
Because the game looking as shit as the main series really makes me want to play it in the first place, apparently

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 18:49:48 No.58049747 Report

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>>58041636
>Just in the case of starters, that's 27 out of 81 pokemon getting in
it's gonna be just the kanto starters + maybe the paldea and ZA ones

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 18:54:16 No.58049760 Report

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>>58049711
That's a good description. You can think of it like a trident. The new generation and throwbacks are the side prongs, Gen 1 is the center, and the spear tips are the big shillmons like Pikachu, Charizard, Eevee, Lucario, new gen starters, etc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 19:17:00 No.58049807 Report

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>>58048247
Even SM had some.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 19:19:15 No.58049810 Report

Quoted By: >>58049813

>>58046851
>they basicaly robbed the showdown formula
By making a Stadium game, a series that's existed long before Showdown?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 19:20:32 No.58049813 Report

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>>58049810
Stadium had a teambuilder that let me pick and choose the attributes of the mons it provided me to such a finetuned degree that I never actually needed to put in the effort to build up a team ingame?

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:29:22 No.58050143 Report

Quoted By: >>58050149 >>58050177 >>58050267

>>58040451
>>58046232
Funny how after Smash Ultimate everyone now digs through the archive to find real leaks that nobody paid any attention to at the time. The fake "Grinch Leak" was everywhere yet some random post that got zero replies correctly knew the final roster and was the only post to mention Piranha Plant before his reveal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:31:23 No.58050149 Report

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>>58050143
/v/ was at the time obsessed with Bowsette, for whatever reason, to notice/care.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:39:07 No.58050177 Report

Quoted By: >>58050183 >>58050246

>>58050143
Missing out on leaks with no picture proof is one thing. But /v/ & /vp/ disregarding blatantly real leaks as fake will always make me laugh.
>full smash 4 roster leak
>UMMM NO GAME & WATCH HAND IS CLIPPING INTO WARIO PIC OBVIOUSLY FAKE
>pokemon xy leaks
>HAWLUCHAS CLOAK DOESN'T HAVE AN EVEN NUMBER OF TIPS SO IT'S FAKE
>pokemon sun/moon starter leaks
>EVEN THOUGH THE NEWLY REVEALED CHARACTER MALLOW IS IN THESE PICTURES IT'S STILL FAKE OKAY?
>king k. rool is in donkey kong bananza
>IT'S AI SO OBVIOUSLY AI YUP GOTTA BE FAKE IT'S JUST AI NOT REAL ALL AI

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:41:13 No.58050183 Report

Quoted By: >>58050190 >>58050197

>>58050177
fake, you just took Little Mac's portrait and edited it to make Shulk

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:41:32 No.58050187 Report

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>>58046083
If only the models looked that good, we just got the SV models ripped at a lower quality, Battle Revolution still looks cleaner than Champions

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:42:23 No.58050190 Report

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>>58050183
this one was always the funniest to me, especially the gif overlapping the two

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:42:33 No.58050192 Report

Quoted By: >>58050194

>>58049716
Nah, I'll just keep playing Showdown

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:43:15 No.58050194 Report

Quoted By: >>58050199 >>58050220 >>58050236

>>58050192
Champions will lead to a C&D for Showdown so good luck with that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:43:50 No.58050197 Report

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>>58050183
I think the sm4sh roster was so dogshit that everyone wanted to believe the leak wasn't true.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:43:54 No.58050198 Report

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Removing IVs entirely will be unfortunate, it has a surprisingly large impact on the potential damage output of Gyro Ball.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:44:10 No.58050199 Report

Quoted By: >>58050204

>>58050194
why would they need Champions to C&D showdown? just the fact that they're using the pokemon trademark is grounds for that. if they wanted to do it they'd have done so already

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:45:31 No.58050204 Report

Quoted By: >>58050244 >>58050248

>>58050199
Showdown was a necessary evil because VGC players DO use it to practice or mess around. So it acted as something useful for them. It's now in direct conflict with their own merchandise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:49:25 No.58050220 Report

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>>58050194
Oh brother, I hate this franchise and fanbase always wanting shit to be shut down

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:53:41 No.58050236 Report

Quoted By: >>58050251 >>58050293

>>58050194
Showdown would have been struck down a decade ago if they wanted to kill it. Nobody is gonna want to touch it if Champion is a sufficient replacement anyway. Nobody wanted to go back to Duelingbook or Edopro after Yugioh released Master Duel.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:55:15 No.58050244 Report

Quoted By: >>58050253

>>58050204
>Showdown was a necessary evil because VGC players DO use it to practice or mess around
bold of you to assume that they give a shit about that when they're this litigious and this directly threatens their bottom line
like every VGC player that moves to showdown to practice is one less potential nintendo online subscription

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:56:00 No.58050246 Report

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>>58050177
>king k rool getting called AI
I hate how AI will now be the evergreen excuse for whenever a vidya leak happens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:56:09 No.58050248 Report

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>>58050204
VGC can suck a fat one

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:57:02 No.58050251 Report

Quoted By: >>58050266

>>58050236
Champions is going to be much worse so they will kill the better option.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:57:19 No.58050253 Report

Quoted By: >>58050316 >>58050327

>>58050244
>like every VGC player that moves to showdown to practice is one less potential nintendo online subscription
If they are practicing for VGC on showdown it means they are ALREADY AN ONLINE SUBSCRIBER to play VGC in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:58:58 No.58050266 Report

Quoted By: >>58050273

>>58050251
>pick 6 pokemon
>edit their stats
>battle
We've seen only a smidge of Champions and it's already the exact same thing as Showdown.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 21:59:02 No.58050267 Report

Quoted By: >>58050427

>>58050143
The meltdown of the grinch leak was hilarious. Incineroar had long made pokemon fans seethe, but then he went further beyond and managed to piss off obnoxious rosterfags from Smash
Godspeed

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:01:01 No.58050273 Report

Quoted By: >>58050291

>>58050266
You are limited on what you can do with IVs. You lack the vast amount of different metas that Showdown allows to be ran. Champions has already said they'll be rotating metas, which only replaces OU. Champions doesn't allow for proper banlists regulated by the community nearly as easily. Champions won't have a proper Nat Dex format due to rotations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:06:41 No.58050291 Report

Quoted By: >>58050299

>>58050273
>You are limited on what you can do with IVs
IVs all set to 31 by default looks like the standard moving forward.
>You lack the vast amount of different metas that Showdown allows to be ran
The leaks suggest they will have constant events with different rulesets
>Champions doesn't allow for proper banlists regulated by the community nearly as easily
"community" LMAO. Smogon has like 5 faggots that decide every ban and they just keep getting rid of wallbreakers in singles.
>Champions won't have a proper Nat Dex format due to rotations.
None of the leaks have ever mentioned dex rotations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:06:43 No.58050293 Report

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>>58050236
Nobody is going to touch it until Champions launches and it becomes direct competition to TPC's own in-0house battle sim, you retarded little fucker. Enjoy your ELO while it lasts. Pity it's not cash-equivalent, you could have earned some money off the countless hours you spent stallniggering.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:09:15 No.58050299 Report

Quoted By: >>58050310 >>58050320 >>58050350 >>58050376

>>58050291
>IVs all set to 31 by default looks like the standard moving forward.
This hurts all UB and Paradox Pokemon. This also screws over all Trick Room teams.
>The leaks suggest they will have constant events with different rulesets
This doesn't address what I said.
>"community" LMAO. Smogon has like 5 faggots that decide every ban and they just keep getting rid of wallbreakers in singles.
Thank you for admitting you don't understand the process of how Smogon handles bans.
>None of the leaks have ever mentioned dex rotations.
They legitimately announced only 350 Pokemon being in at the start. This implies limits with the dex going forward.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:10:54 No.58050310 Report

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>>58050299
>This hurts all UB and Paradox Pokemon.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:12:02 No.58050316 Report

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>>58050253
>retarded americans got kicked out of worlds for not having a required Home tracker in their pokémon's data
Nah, VGC 'tards don't pay for Home. They DID spend $300+ (lol, hackable launch model premiums) to inject their shit or did paypig a genner bot to make their metamon. It doesn't matter a fuck about them paying Nintendo, Nintendo don't share that online sub revenue with anyone (hence why Game Freak released Home, to ensure if cunts played Pokémon, they'd get paid along while the user paid Daddy N for the privilege of playing on their servers). This is what Champions exists for - FORCE VGCtards to pay Game Freak AND kill showdown to prevent them niggering team building further.

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:13:16 No.58050320 Report

Quoted By: >>58050360 >>58050414

>>58050299
>This hurts all UB and Paradox Pokemon. This also screws over all Trick Room teams
you are yet to give a single reason as to why 31IV defaults are a bad thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:14:24 No.58050327 Report

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>>58050253
>they are ALREADY AN ONLINE SUBSCRIBER to play VGC in the first place
VGC is always played in person so you don't need the subscription

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:18:54 No.58050348 Report

Quoted By: >>58050358

>>58040451
Nah this is bullshit. The rentals not being allowed in Ranked is blatantly false. Most of this "leak" was easily guessable. There will never, ever be another Battle Frontier.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:19:27 No.58050350 Report

Quoted By: >>58050355

>>58050299
>This also screws over all Trick Room teams.
Trick Room teams no longer have to guess if the enemy also has their speed set to 0.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:20:26 No.58050355 Report

Quoted By: >>58050365

>>58050350
Unless they are also running Trick Room, no one does that besides low ladder shitters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:21:16 No.58050358 Report

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>>58050348
Rental TEAMS are not allowed in ranked. The 7 day single mon rentals we saw in the trailer are most likely legal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:21:18 No.58050360 Report

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>>58050320
Why 31? Why not 0?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:22:46 No.58050365 Report

Quoted By: >>58050371

>>58050355
HUH???? have you never played vgc before in your life? Setting already slow mons to 0 speed to help counter trick room is an extremely common strategy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:23:59 No.58050371 Report

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>>58050365
Showdown supports more than just VGC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:25:56 No.58050376 Report

Quoted By: >>58050380

>>58050299
>This hurts all UB and Paradox Pokemon
The only one is realistically hurts is Stakataka.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:26:42 No.58050380 Report

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>>58050376
Kartana also runs specific IVs depending on the build.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:38:24 No.58050414 Report

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>>58050320
Anyone crying about 31 being the new default have never went through the pain of trying to get a 0 speed 0 atk legendary ingame.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:42:39 No.58050427 Report

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>>58050267
Whats sad is Incineroar has one of the most fun and unique movesets in all of smash but is mostly hated because of debunking the grinch leak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:43:20 No.58050431 Report

Quoted By: >>58050442

A truly comprehensive Stadium successor needs to have
>Battle Sim from Gale of Darkness
>VS Recorder from XY/SM
>Video sharing from Platinum
>Old formats like Triple Battles, Little Cup, etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 22:47:30 No.58050442 Report

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>>58050431
The 2nd leak does mention triple battles >>58046232

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Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 23:00:01 No.58050489 Report

Quoted By: >>58050502

>>58049716
Champions is not a menace for Showdown by itself since it won't include 6v6
VGC traffic will go down, but nothing else

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 23:04:09 No.58050502 Report

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>>58050489
VGC traffic may go UP on Showdown. If Champoins makes VGC more popular then people will wanna test teams before spending vp to buy mons on Champions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 23:16:13 No.58050536 Report

Quoted By: >>58050574

>>58046232
>Extensive details about what we know
>Mostly comprehensive information, with some leeway for user error
>A fucking name for the second currency
Aside from zero fucking implication of anything singleplayer and some extremely draconian limitations that could go either way this sounds incredibly reasonable compared to OP. If it's fake, this is how you write a believable fake leak. I hope Inverse battles are in, that was a weirdo format but it was neat. I'd prefer Inverse Room as a move but I get that would be a balancing nightmare and they already don't want to support Trick Room so whatever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 27 Jul 2025 23:32:42 No.58050574 Report

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>>58050536
To give the leak in OP a bit more credit it actually does share some stuff with the 2nd leak
>both knew about vp before the trailer
>both mention vp + a paid currency
>both mention rental teams
>both mention a single player with various challenges
Also the 2nd leak was a month later than OPs. So if this is from a playtester it's possible they didn't have a name for the paid currency back in May and where using a placeholder name at the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 28 Jul 2025 00:00:19 No.58050652 Report

Quoted By: >>58050673 >>58050837

Fake, all fake

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Anonymous Mon 28 Jul 2025 00:05:14 No.58050673 Report

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>>58050652
I wish Champions was fake. How do you get worse than Battle Revolution?

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Anonymous Mon 28 Jul 2025 01:06:39 No.58050837 Report

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>>58050652
Yes real leaks have NEVER EVER been posted here before.

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