/vp/ - Pokémon » Thread #58141618

[65 / 5 / 1]

264KiB, 1405x860, Image.png

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 15:43:54 No.58141618 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>58141649 >>58141674 >>58143296 >>58143389

>Make Ice the least common type and extremely frail to serve as downsides for its good offensive coverage

>Give Ice Beam to 95% of Water types despite being the most common and significantly bulkier type

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 15:46:44 No.58141628 Report

Quoted By: >>58143112 >>58143542

>inb4 that retard that says ice shouldn't be buffed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 15:47:34 No.58141631 Report

Quoted By: >>58141671 >>58141856 >>58141936 >>58142011 >>58142931

campaignshitter thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 15:48:29 No.58141636 Report

Quoted By: >>58141671 >>58141856 >>58141936

>campaignshitter forgets what STAB is
>campaignshitter forgets moves other than Ice Beam exist
how come campaignshitters can only ever remember one mechanic at a time?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 15:51:45 No.58141649 Report

Quoted By: >>58141721

>>58141618
>Give Ice Beam to 95% of Water types despite being the most common and significantly bulkier type
This feel more like a fuck you to the grass type desu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 15:55:22 No.58141659 Report

Quoted By:

it's dumb that water and ice are separate types anyway, same with ground and rock. if water types can manipulate ice to some extent why can't ice types do the same with water? if ice is weak to fire because it melts, why don't ice types turn into water types right after?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 15:58:21 No.58141671 Report

Quoted By: >>58141682

>>58141631
>>58141636

It's more so the fact that Ice has to be shackled with so many downsides and they can't even enjoy a bit of exclusivity for their troubles.

Yeah sure. You miss out on STAB. But is that bonus damage really worth running rarer and undoubtedly worse pokemon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 15:59:26 No.58141674 Report

Quoted By:

>>58141618
I want MORE defensive Ice types.
MORE.
GF is making them for ME.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 16:00:46 No.58141682 Report

Quoted By: >>58141721

>>58141671
>and they can't even enjoy a bit of exclusivity for their troubles
This. It sucks that Ice Beam is literally the only Ice move in the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 16:15:11 No.58141721 Report

Quoted By: >>58141870

>>58141682
You're missing the point. Why should ANY water get ANY ice attacks when ice is purposefully nerfed to counteract their good offensive matchups? And like >>58141649 said it also raises yet another middle finger to Grass for no reason.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 16:59:16 No.58141856 Report

Quoted By:

>>58141631
>>58141636
Enjoying that Scald distribution?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 17:02:15 No.58141870 Report

Quoted By: >>58141888 >>58141936

>>58141721
>Why should ANY water get ANY ice attacks
Why should ANY type get ANY move that isn’t that type?

>when ice is purposefully nerfed to counteract their good offensive matchups?
Since when did water types having an ice move magically remove Ice’s good offensive matchups? What a strange fanfic you invented.

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO 1742596258249335.jpg, 36KiB, 514x302

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 17:10:50 No.58141888 Report

Quoted By: >>58141904

>>58141870
You're being weirdly obtuse about this. It is odd that Ice Beam can reliably be learned by a lot of pokemon that are water types. It wouldn't be so noteworthy if it wasn't one specific move that had such wide availability among an entire secondary typing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 17:14:16 No.58141904 Report

Quoted By: >>58141929 >>58141936

>>58141888
>it’s odd that a type can learn a move that isn’t its type
Have you checked the entire rest of the game?

>It wouldn't be so noteworthy if it wasn't one specific move that had such wide availability among an entire secondary typing
Don’t check the number of Fire types that can learn Solar Beam or the number of Ground types that can learn Rock Slide. It might melt your campaignshitter brain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 17:19:20 No.58141929 Report

Quoted By: >>58141939 >>58141941

>>58141904
NTA but Ice Beam is way better than solar beam and rock slide.
Better coverage, no setup turn/sun needed than solar beam
More power better accuracy than rock slide

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 17:20:13 No.58141936 Report

Quoted By:

>>58141631
>>58141636
>>58141870
>>58141904
>campaignshitter
>fanfic
How to tell you're talking to a faggot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 17:20:40 No.58141939 Report

Quoted By: >>58141953

>>58141929
>NTA but Ice Beam is way better than solar beam and rock slide.
woah ice beam can hit two targets and flinch?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 17:21:11 No.58141941 Report

Quoted By: >>58141953 >>58141979

>>58141929
>B-BUT IT'S BETTER!!
don't look up the number of non-ground types that can learn earthquake

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 17:24:29 No.58141953 Report

Quoted By:

>>58141941
Solar beam is fucking terrible mate.
It's not even used in vgc on sun teams because every other team runs a different weather setter or prankster tornadus with rain dance

>>58141939
>misses

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 17:30:06 No.58141979 Report

Quoted By: >>58143082

>>58141941
>spread move
No one cares retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 17:39:44 No.58142011 Report

Quoted By:

>>58141631
words right out of my mouth

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 22:50:22 No.58142931 Report

Quoted By:

>>58141631
I agree

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 22:57:39 No.58142972 Report

Quoted By:

>ice resists water
>almost every water type pokemon that isn't water/ice loses access to ice beam except for the piplup line
>[/spoiler:lit]seel and dewgong get freeze-dry[/spoiler:lit]
Does this buck break Water?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 23:26:53 No.58143082 Report

Quoted By:

>>58141979
>>spread move
literally who cares about spread moves?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 23:36:34 No.58143112 Report

Quoted By: >>58143118

>>58141628
And don't forget the retards who act like having more offensively oriented Pokemon will somehow help Dewgong and Aurorus.
Bonus points if they pull the Pokefag response of "le unsalvageable" (but yet it's somehow easy to suggest literal overhauls for Delibird).

I'm almost done with this fucking franchise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 23:38:16 No.58143118 Report

Quoted By: >>58143127 >>58143128

>>58143112
Dewgong and Aurorus are already viable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 23:42:13 No.58143127 Report

Quoted By: >>58143131 >>58143153

>>58143118
>Rock/Ice
>Viable

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 23:42:17 No.58143128 Report

Quoted By: >>58143131

>>58143118
>t. dumbfuck retard that more than likely has a huge collection of child pornography

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 23:42:52 No.58143131 Report

Quoted By:

>>58143127
Yeah? Why not?

>>58143128
No I just actually play the game

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 23:48:07 No.58143153 Report

Quoted By: >>58143170 >>58143196 >>58143422

>>58143127
Pokefags will suddenly act that it's not a bad typing the very moment there's a fast Pokemon with that typing.
You see this shit on r/Pokemon all the time with these retards.
Also Aurora Veil should be exclusive to Amaura and Aurorus just to spite Redditors and compfags.

I want mass anal devastation.

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO 44f.png, 651KiB, 528x845

Anonymous Wed 20 Aug 2025 23:52:30 No.58143170 Report

Quoted By:

>>58143153
>Aurora Veil should be exclusive to Amaura and Aurorus just to spite Redditors and compfags.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 00:02:48 No.58143196 Report

Quoted By: >>58143250

>>58143153
>typing with a lot of weaknesses but also good coverage on a defensive mon
this typing is bad
>typing with a lot of weaknesses but also good coverage on an offensive mon
this typing is good
>NOOOOO NOOOO THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IT'S THE SAME TYPING NOOOOOOOO

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 00:19:20 No.58143250 Report

Quoted By:

>>58143196
They're going to talk about how Aurorus was Ice's own personal Holocaust or something dumb if there ever was a fast Rock/Ice Pokemon.

Pokefags LOVE to crucify certain Pokemon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 00:26:28 No.58143274 Report

Quoted By: >>58143312 >>58143387

Literally just give Ice more Resistances and you sort the issue. There is no reason a type should have that many weaknesses to common offensive types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 00:31:20 No.58143296 Report

Quoted By:

>>58141618
Ice-type’s actually good now tho

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 00:37:02 No.58143312 Report

Quoted By:

>>58143274
ice shouldn't be good defensively, it doesn't need it.

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO 1700608250731117.jpg, 57KiB, 680x510

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 00:49:15 No.58143331 Report

Quoted By:

Spidops isn't bad, you're just shit at the game. Learn a thing or two and you could land the winning blow in Worlds with it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 00:53:39 No.58143343 Report

Quoted By: >>58143351

>CAMPAIGNSHITTER
>CAMPAIGNSHITTER
>CAMPAIGNSHITTER
Why are fairyfags like this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 00:56:19 No.58143351 Report

Quoted By: >>58143353

>>58143343
>fairy
You mean the type that's singlehandedly walled by having a fire type? Goes to show you don't play the game if you think fairy is some almighty type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 00:57:11 No.58143353 Report

Quoted By:

>>58143351
I personally like killing fairies with poison

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 01:05:59 No.58143387 Report

Quoted By: >>58143392

>>58143274
It doesn't need more resistances.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 01:06:30 No.58143389 Report

Quoted By: >>58143430

>>58141618
I feel like if Ice just resisted Water, Grass and Flying it could work as a defensive type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 01:07:12 No.58143392 Report

Quoted By: >>58143405

>>58143387
I bet you shit yourself over the idea of Inverse Battles, negroid.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 01:13:28 No.58143405 Report

Quoted By:

>>58143392
You would be the one doing that because then you'd be screeching about Steel being bad and needing a buff instead of adapting and getting better at the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 01:22:31 No.58143422 Report

Quoted By: >>58143431 >>58143585

>>58143153
>Pokefags will suddenly act that it's not a bad typing the very moment there's a fast Pokemon with that typing.
Are they incapable of realizing that a Pokémon can be good in spite of its typing? A fast Rock/Ice, lets say [60/120/75/100/75/115] or so, could be alright but god do you want to pick your matchups wisely.

Anonymous

View Same Google ImgOps iqdb SauceNAO sina___pokemon_by_cpt_pop_dh197tv.png, 493KiB, 1100x1424

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 01:27:06 No.58143428 Report

Quoted By: >>58143673

>Calling people Campaignshitters when the Ice type is almost never available before Gym 6 to begin with

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 01:28:12 No.58143430 Report

Quoted By: >>58143437 >>58143495

>>58143389
>I feel like if Ice just broke the game's balance it could work as a defensive type.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 01:29:58 No.58143431 Report

Quoted By:

>>58143422
>Are they incapable of realizing that a Pokémon can be good in spite of its typing?
every single good pokemon in the game is good "in spite of its typing" retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 01:32:33 No.58143437 Report

Quoted By: >>58143444

>>58143430
>pokemon
>balanced at all
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 01:35:25 No.58143444 Report

Quoted By: >>58143461 >>58143672

>>58143437
It is. If the type chart were unbalanced, GameFreak would have adjusted it. But it's remained as is ever since Gen 6, proving that there's been no issues with any type being "too weak" or "too strong" since 2013.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 01:42:58 No.58143461 Report

Quoted By: >>58143477

>>58143444
>gf makes g1, adding the first 15 types
>WE DON'T NEED NEW TYPES THEY WOULD HAVE ADDED MORE TYPES IF WE NEEDED THEM
>gf makes g2, adding dark and steel
>WE DON'T NEED NEW TYPES THEY WOULD HAVE ADDED MORE TYPES IF WE NEEDED THEM
>gf makes g6, adding fairy
>WE DON'T NEED NEW TYPES THEY WOULD HAVE ADDED MORE TYPES IF WE NEEDED THEM
>gf makes g9, adding stellar
actually this one is just funny

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 01:47:52 No.58143477 Report

Quoted By: >>58143487

>>58143461
Stellar isn't a true type, and it's also not going to exist outside of Scarlet/Violet and Champions (and ONLY during regulations where Terastal is allowed.)
It's more like an overlay than a true type, and it basically only exists to affect your Pokemon's Terastal damage boosts differently, as well as an alternate interaction with Tera Blast.
Hell, if you're counting Stellar as a type, you also need to count "Fist", "Aura/Pulse", "Bomb/Ball", "Sound", "Bite", "Wind", "Cutting", "Dancing" and "Contact" as types.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 01:50:46 No.58143487 Report

Quoted By:

>>58143477
>Stellar isn't a true type, and it's also not going to exist outside of Scarlet/Violet and Champions (and ONLY during regulations where Terastal is allowed.)
agreed, it's obviously a gimmick, that's why I said it was just funny. Not a serious type like the others, obviously.
>Hell, if you're counting Stellar as a type, you also need to count "Fist", "Aura/Pulse", "Bomb/Ball", "Sound", "Bite", "Wind", "Cutting", "Dancing" and "Contact" as types.
no that's dumb, stellar is presented as a type even if it's functionally more like an ability. These are just attributes from the ground up. sound should be a type though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 01:52:55 No.58143495 Report

Quoted By: >>58143522

>>58143430
>broke the game's balance
can you explain to us lesser beings what that means? how would Ice having resists, which in no way impacts how other types take damage from Ice attacks, break the game's balance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 02:00:05 No.58143522 Report

Quoted By: >>58143533

>>58143495
Maybe if you played the game, you would understand why that would be unbalanced.
Ice is fine as is because it has Aurora Veil and Snow to bolster its defenses, if you gave it actual resists, it would be obnoxiously unbreakable once you got rid of any threats packing STAB Fire, Steel, Fighting and/or Rock, which is especially nasty on a type that likes to use Blizzard, a move that not only does rough damage, but also has a chance to Freeze, which basically kills your mon before it actually faints.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 02:03:00 No.58143533 Report

Quoted By:

>>58143522
>it would be obnoxiously unbreakable
except for all the other types that hit it neutrally or super-effectively like every other type has

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 02:04:54 No.58143542 Report

Quoted By:

>>58141628
holy fpbp

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 02:18:17 No.58143585 Report

Quoted By:

>>58143422
>but god do you want to pick your matchups wisely
That's what the FAGGOTS over at Reddit don't understand. Anyhow, Aurorus le unsalvagable but Ledian can get an overhaul GIVE ME UPVOTES FELLOW REDDITORS!!1

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 02:47:15 No.58143672 Report

Quoted By:

>>58143444
the only man in the world who still thinks game freak knows what they're doing

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 02:47:46 No.58143673 Report

Quoted By:

>>58143428
It's a buzzword that has long overdue its stay outside of the site's filter.

Even fucking /v/ is better than /vp/ when it comes to moderators.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 02:55:52 No.58143692 Report

Quoted By:

if you think about it water looks just like a melted ice mineral, they are so similar

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 03:07:45 No.58143713 Report

Quoted By:

Why does the term "campaignshitter" make people so irrationally angry?

Is it because it's disturbingly apt?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 03:13:35 No.58143731 Report

Quoted By: >>58143733

Bug is the one that I will never get.
>resist ground, fighting and grass
>can't switch into ground or fighting because 99% of them have rock slide/stone edge
>super effective against psychic/dark/grass
>can't switch into psychic or dark moves well
>plenty of grass types have a second type that neutralizes their bug weakness
What the fuck is the point?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 03:15:37 No.58143733 Report

Quoted By: >>58143748

>>58143731
Wasn’t Tera bug Incineroar good for a while?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 21 Aug 2025 03:20:19 No.58143748 Report

Quoted By:

>>58143733
I sort of get why people would use it as a tera, the resists themselves aren't bad. The mons themselves just have a bum ass deal, and I get they have broken shit to make up for it. Quiver Dance, Tinted Lens, Sticky Web, but that stuff is almost exclusively for stuff that are complete shitmons otherwise. It's not like Dragon Dance which is handed out like candy.

Capcode	All Only User Posts Only Verified Posts Only Moderator Posts Only Manager Posts Only Admin Posts Only Developer Posts Only Founder Posts
Show Posts	All Only With Images Only Without Images Only Spoiler Images Only Non-Spoiler Images
Deleted Posts	All Only Deleted Posts Only Non-Deleted Posts
Ghost Posts	All Only Ghost Posts Only Non-Ghost Posts
Post Type	All Only Sticky Threads Only Opening Posts Only Reply Posts
Results	All Grouped By Threads
Order	Latest Posts First Oldest Posts First

On these archives

Your latest searches