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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 02:28:22 No.58325742 View View Reply Original Report

What was the consensus on these in 2002 when they first came out?

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 02:31:43 No.58325756 Report

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>>58325742
I don't know, I was baby :3

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 02:32:03 No.58325757 Report

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most people were fuming you couldn't use charizard

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 02:34:20 No.58325767 Report

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>>58325742
BW before BW

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 02:35:06 No.58325768 Report

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>>58325756
Utterly pointless post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 02:49:55 No.58325818 Report

Quoted By: >>58327363

How the fuck would I know? I was 30 and not into Pokémon at the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 02:53:58 No.58325838 Report

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>>58325742
Mediocre graphics, very barebones, boys were the primary demographic by that point and didn't care for contests. No Pidgey, no Mewtwo, no Charizard, and Pikachu was late game.

RS were the first pokemon games where it was "cool" to hate on them. No one wanted to be caught in public playing them, especially after the PSP was first announced.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 03:06:35 No.58325883 Report

Quoted By: >>58326022

>>58325742
No one cared and most of the complaints were about the weird, robot-looking cover legendaries. All five people playing it at my school back then were playing it on emulator and thought it was boring, the new Pokemon looked dumb and it really sucked that there were no day/night cycles.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 03:09:14 No.58325887 Report

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Depends on how old you were. I was 9, so I thought it was fucking awesome. Basically all my friend's older siblings thought it was lame as shit. I still have some pre-release merch from back in the day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 03:13:58 No.58325906 Report

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>>58325742
>yugioh better
>too much water
>muh graphics
>can't trade from old games
>digital art making people finally notice artstyle/designs changing
>irrelevant complaints about misty in the anime
>irrelevant complaints about gamecube
>do you liek mudkipz?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 03:20:50 No.58325925 Report

Quoted By: >>58325941 >>58326097

>>58325838
Not what I experienced at all.

What happened:
>red blue and yellow and the cards made a huge Pokémon fever
>everyone got into gold and silver when they came out
>soon after everyone dropped Pokémon a bit as it was “not cool anymore”
>crystal comes out and everyone who still liked Pokémon felt burned by it because it was the same as silver and gold
>everyone ignored it more
>gen 3 came out and everyone picked it up again
>people liked it and were about to drop it again
>fire red and leaf green come out and everyone loves them too, same with emerald
>then everyone dropped it after that
After that it was nowhere near as popular, maybe the new games were for younger kids, but as a kid who watched his friends play red and blue, but wasn’t allowed to have videogames until gen 3, and then went back and played all the games up to platinum, gen 3 especially felt like the “last hoorah” of the Pokémon mania, with frlg being a “fixed” version of gen 1, that and Ruby and Saphire felt like the “complete setup” for gaming for a few years with gba’s and link cables. Some people had gameboy colors, but no one had an original gameboy. Though Pokémon def stuck around, it was EVERYWHERE at the start from like 99-2000, took a slump, and then regained for gen 3.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 03:21:50 No.58325929 Report

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>>58325742
Mostly just
>dude that’s nerd shit and for kids
I didn’t actually see the complaints for backwards compatibility until years later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 03:28:05 No.58325941 Report

Quoted By: >>58326019 >>58326155

>>58325925
Not what I experienced at all.

What happened:
>red blue and yellow and the cards made a huge Pokémon fever
>everyone got into gold and silver when they came out
>soon after everyone dropped Pokémon a bit as it was “not cool anymore”
>crystal comes out and everyone who still liked Pokémon felt burned by it because it was the same as silver and gold
>everyone ignored it more
>gen 3 came out and everyone picked it up again
>people liked it and were about to drop it again
>fire red and leaf green come out and everyone felt burned by them as its just Gen 1 again, and emerald was just ruby and sapphire again
>everyone ignored it even more
>gen 4 came out and everyone picked it up again
>people liked it and were about to drop it again
>heartgold and soulsilver come out and everyone loves them too, same with platinum
>then everyone dropped it after that
After that it was nowhere near as popular, maybe the new games were for younger kids, but as a kid who watched his friends play red and blue, but wasn’t allowed to have videogames until gen 4, and then went back and played all the games up to platinum, gen 4 especially felt like the “last hoorah” of the Pokémon mania, with frlg being a “fixed” version of gen 1, that and Diamond and Pearl felt like the “complete setup” for gaming for a few years with nds and wireless trading. Some people had nds lite, but no one had an original nds. Though Pokémon def stuck around, it was EVERYWHERE at the start from like 99-2000, took a slump, and then regained for gen 4.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 03:30:26 No.58325948 Report

Quoted By: >>58326019 >>58329480

I'm 33 and I got almost every pokemon game within the first year it came out. When ruby and sapphire came out pokemania was completely dead, you would get made fun of at school for liking pokemon so I kept it to myself. I didn't have the same enthusiasm I had back then that I did in red and blue and gold silver. It didn't have the same energy, total lack of pop culture and community made you feel isolated for playing it, and lack of backwards compatibility was a HUGE negative. No day and night cycle also made it feel like a bit of a downgrade, and the style of the new pokemon felt off. Gen 4 was what fully revived my interest, mostly because that's when people started using the internet to make friends and it had online play.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 03:59:32 No.58326019 Report

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>>58325941
Lel, everyone hated gen 2 and 4, except for platinum
>>58325948
See above

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 03:59:50 No.58326022 Report

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>>58325883
This was believable until day/night cycles. No one gave a shit about that or transferring Pokemon or whatever. The complaints were always about the new Pokemon looking like Digimon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:04:56 No.58326041 Report

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>>58326022
Nobody I knew had a link cable except for my cousin, and he had a fucking gameshark as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:08:52 No.58326053 Report

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>>58325742
Same reaction all new pokemon games get at first. "Ew that doesn't look like a pokemon AT ALL, these are LAME designs" and at the time "pokemon is for fucking nerds" because it was a sin to still be playing pokemon at the time

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:10:54 No.58326063 Report

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>>58325742
Dude I was 10 and in Mexico. I was one of the few that had internet back then. My schoolmates didn't believe me it existed and mocked me as a liar. I had to emulate it as my family didn't have money for a Gameboy until I was 15.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:15:03 No.58326073 Report

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These games were my introduction to the series. (I was in elementary school back then.) I saw my friend playing it at school and was intrigued.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:18:08 No.58326086 Report

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>>58325742
I was 14 and remember the primary consensus was that Haruka was hot as fuck.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:20:45 No.58326094 Report

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I think those were among the years where Pokemon fatigue set in for the initial kids who'd have been at the right age when Red/Blue, the anime, and movies came out. I don't remember a thing about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:21:47 No.58326097 Report

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>>58325925
What were the reactions to Gardevoir?

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:30:10 No.58326119 Report

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>>58325742
They were considered unimpressive compared to all the leaps Gen 2 had made, with a lackluster dex and a huge number of cut features. Also way too much surfing. By the time they came out Pokemania had ended (it petered out around the time of Crystal's release) and was seen as a little basic and old versus the new hotness coming out of Japan, like Yugioh, and the twin storm of Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings taking over nerd culture.
The games still went big in terms of sales; I think it was around 5-6 million within the first year which is massive. But it was a noticeable drop from GS, which in term was a big drop from RGB.
Emerald rehabilitated the games reputation, and its quite noticeable that its sales are fairly comparable to RS/2.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:30:26 No.58326122 Report

Quoted By: >>58326141

The consensus was ‘pokemon is for babies now, I’m into Halo/MTG/some other game/sports.’

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:36:04 No.58326138 Report

Quoted By: >>58326177

>>58326022
youre retarded if you think no one was complaining about that. the cycles affecting when mons would appear and other events brought games to life in gen 2 and dumping that made the games bland as fuck. maybe if you were alive then you would know what you were talking about kid

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:36:52 No.58326141 Report

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>>58326122
And if you remained a weeb, it would have been watching stuff on Adult Swim. An 11 year old and a 14 year old are worlds apart in taste, I think I was done with Pokemon the moment DBZ started getting big in Summer 99.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:38:18 No.58326146 Report

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>>58326019
revisionist history

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:41:53 No.58326155 Report

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>>58325941
>>people liked it and were about to drop it again
wat

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:45:13 No.58326165 Report

Quoted By: >>58326221 >>58326242 >>58326263 >>58326268 >>58326419

>>58326119
>They were considered unimpressive compared to all the leaps Gen 2 had made
Bullshit. Gen 3 introduced way more compared to Gen 2.
>abilities
>natures
>contests
>double battles
>more balanced level curve
>more balanced game overall that doesn’t punish you for picking a certain starter like Johto did
>fleshed out berries and weather
>large region with more to explore than the previous ones
>excellent new Pokemon additions overall (arguably the best starter trio, Gardevoir, Ludicolo, Mawile, Flygon, Absol, Latis, etc.)
>an actual story
>great soundtrack (it was the first gen to give the Elite 4 its own battle theme)
>Battle Frontier from Emerald

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:48:30 No.58326177 Report

Quoted By: >>58326190

>>58326138
Hoenn has so much attention to deal and exploration that it makes up for the lack of night time. The fact you list Day/Night as a major reason for why Gen 2 is good just shows more than anything how Johto has nothing else going for it as a region.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:50:45 No.58326190 Report

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>>58326177
Look kiddo, you can cope all you want but people felt that way back in the day. You should be happy most people revisited it and ended up with a more positive outlook on the games in this day and age.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:51:13 No.58326192 Report

Quoted By: >>58326255

>>58326022
>Nobody gave a shit
>DP made a big deal about Day/Night coming back

No yeah it was bad. Umbreon/Espeon are basically unobtainable in Gen III without the Gamecube games. You had to transfer an Eevee to RSE and then raise its happiness to max in a system that you couldn't tell was Day/Night unless you go check a clock (because lord forbid you input the time wrong). It's part of the reason Gen III's graphics are looked upon in scorn. And wouldn't you know it, Day/Night became one of the features that's NEVER been cut since Gen IV. Almost like it was genuinely fucking important to the game or something

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 04:58:51 No.58326221 Report

Quoted By: >>58326272

>>58326165
You basically padded everything in-between Double Battles and Battle Frontier with nonsense nobody cares about to make the games look better and said "improvements are introducing new things" as if that isn't the thing you're supposed to do for a sequel

Here's a fun fact: RS still cut more from GS than GS cut from RGBY because they're compromised (even though GS was compromised too)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 05:05:32 No.58326242 Report

Quoted By: >>58326251 >>58326272

>>58326165
>>natures
Things nobody gave a shit about
>Balanced level curve
Ignoring the fact that the leap from Clair to Lance is smaller than Wallace/Juan to Steven/Wallace, again kids didn't give a shit
>Muh Starter
2/3 starters are great in both games
>Large region
Felt lackluster compared to getting both Johto and Kanto (which had way less surfing too
>Excellent new additions
I'd largely agree, although I still prefer Gen 2's additions. But popular opinion wasn't on Gen 3's additions side at the time
>Battle Tower in Emerald
So not in RS, not to mention Crystal (thus not in GS) had the BT

But your missing the key difference between Gen 1 and 2. Gen 2 didn't really cut anything. Maybe the Safari Zone? It only added features, and it added way more than Gen 3 did. Nobody went into Gen 2 going "wow, where's X feature that I loved?"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 05:07:57 No.58326251 Report

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>>58326242
it really only cut certain dungeons and some of those minigames, but I don’t recall people giving a shit desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 05:10:54 No.58326255 Report

Quoted By: >>58326270

>>58326192
it's almost like none of the kids gave a shit and just used what the game threw at you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 05:14:07 No.58326263 Report

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>>58326165
You're forgetting that gen poo fags don't play the games. The only thing that matters to them is the pretty pixels.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 05:15:50 No.58326268 Report

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>>58326165
>Gen 3 threw in a bunch of useless shit that overcomplicated everything and made it a chore
Wow very nice

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 05:16:19 No.58326270 Report

Quoted By: >>58326276

>>58326255
>just using whatever
>not hunting and trading for all the cool shit with your friends and class mates
Fuck that sounds soulless.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 05:17:01 No.58326272 Report

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>>58326221
>>58326242
GS didn’t cut much from RGBY because those games barely had any features to begin with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 05:17:56 No.58326276 Report

Quoted By: >>58326281

>>58326270
>finish the game in a week because it's short and easy
>drop it for beyblades
yep

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 05:19:07 No.58326281 Report

Quoted By: >>58326282 >>58326358

>>58326276
Beyblades? You mean yugioh, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 05:20:27 No.58326282 Report

Quoted By: >>58326371

>>58326281
nah mtg

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 05:22:49 No.58326289 Report

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kyogre > groudon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 05:47:57 No.58326354 Report

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>>58325742
>Grass charizard is ugly
>It's just Rhydon
>It's just Muk
>It's just Butterfree but gay
>I guess Beedrill is a moth now
>The new Ekans doesn't evolve?
>Why these weird pichus don't evolve?
>The new dewgong looks retarded
>Meowth got a girlfriend?
>O a new Shellder... it's an eel now?
>lmao the chicken turned into a literal dude
>You're saying Tropius doesn't evolve from Bayleef?
>Groudon and kyogre are retarded versions of Lugia and HoOh
>Rayquaza is cool, I guess
>TOO MUCH FUCKING WATER

I was 13 at the time and that's how the convos with friends went

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 05:51:18 No.58326358 Report

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>>58326281
Me and my friends definitely had a beyblade phase. No one gave a shit about the anime or anything, but the tops were cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 05:56:31 No.58326371 Report

Quoted By: >>58326377 >>58326378

>>58326282
mtg's still hip with the kids in the '00s?
thought it's seen as old nerd shit by then

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 05:57:52 No.58326377 Report

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>>58326371
Wizards of the Coast published the Pokemon TCG up until the formation of TPC so they probably tried to wean people off of the cards to get into the actual property they owned and get 100% of the profits instead of sharing with Creatures

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 05:57:55 No.58326378 Report

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>>58326371
what the teens do is always hip with the kids

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 06:17:22 No.58326419 Report

Quoted By: >>58326579

>>58326165
>abilities
>natures
What a great addition, having to catch 50 Starmie until you get a modest one with regenerator.
>fleshed out berries and weather
Those are gen 2 additions. And even 20 years later I can't be arsed to remember which berry does which effect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 07:09:28 No.58326579 Report

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>>58326419
leave it to Gen 3 to come up with a good idea and fuck up the execution

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 07:52:52 No.58326743 Report

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To me, it was the gen where Pokémon went from a FOTM thing I consume with the whole schoolyard like Yu-gi-oh, Beyblade, marbles, gogos and so on to a real hobbie of mine.
It's around that time that I got into a lot of the nerd shit I'd be into for decades, MTG, WoW, DnD, a bit of LARP but also Pokémon, joining online community to get into competitive included.

I also remember it was the first time ever I felt compelled to hide my hobbies from most of my friends but I can't tell if it was puverty or the zeitgeist of the time.
I didn't catch any tail in high school but I clearly remember being into most nerd stuff, especially "kids" nerd stuff ala Pokémon, being a perfectly valid reason to bully someone 24/7, modern Marvel/anime/K pop fans don't know how good they have it DESU

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 09:45:15 No.58326995 Report

Quoted By: >>58328980

This was around when halo, cod etc were coming up so handhelds were already taking a back seat

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 12:03:09 No.58327354 Report

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>>58325742
a lot of the kids around me just played it casually without critically analyzing it too much.
though the pokemania hype wasn't there anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 12:04:05 No.58327356 Report

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>>58325756
most important post ever made

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 12:04:57 No.58327359 Report

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>>58325742
I was 7 when they came out stateside and I thought they were the fucking tits like every other 7 year old at that time

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 12:05:06 No.58327360 Report

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>>58325742
they had ugly graphics shit music the fact that you couldn't trade mons from previous games was retarded and the plot was trash
but lots of the mons were cool

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 12:06:08 No.58327363 Report

Quoted By: >>58327728

>>58325818
how fucking old are you

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 12:13:17 No.58327384 Report

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>>58325742
was about to buy this with some friends and bring across some of our mons from gen 2 but then found out on a website that you can't so we forgot about pokemon after that

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 14:09:02 No.58327701 Report

Quoted By: >>58327756

Poke-mania was mostly dead, so the response was mostly limited to core die-hard fans.
It was a mixed reception. The games were generally seen as good, but Gen 2 was still seen as the series gold standard and the removal of features going into 3 was seen as very disappointing. Further complicating matters was the seeming removal of a ton of fan favorite mons (really put yourself into a fan's shoes back in 2002, imagine a new Pokémon game coming out which dexit'd fucking Eevee). Among core fans the games were seen as inferior to Gen 2 but superior to Gen 1. Gen 3 apologists didn't really start coming out full force until around Gen 5.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 14:20:00 No.58327723 Report

Quoted By: >>58327757

Hoennbabs don't realize they're the original borts

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 14:22:14 No.58327728 Report

Quoted By: >>58327733

>>58327363
67

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 14:23:12 No.58327733 Report

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>>58327728
You sucked 67 dicks??

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 14:30:03 No.58327756 Report

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>>58327701
Hoenn Confirmed shit was when the games finally stopped being the black sheep, probably due to Unova being a second attempt at the full on soft reboot style of game before every game afterward would need to rely on shillmons to sell newer games and reach new sales heights. If FRLG didn't happen, people would absolutely NOT be looking back fondly on Hoenn in the slightest

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 14:30:30 No.58327757 Report

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>>58327723
Hoenn babies are the some of the worst cunts in the community, only really beat out by modern GF apologists. They've always had this obnoxious behavioral pattern where they pretend Gens 1-3 make up some sort of "classic trilogy" (even though 3 is far more similar to 4 than it is to 2) but then will immediately throw 1/2 under the bus when it's convenient.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 18:32:12 No.58328663 Report

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>>58325742
it was fine as a standalone game, but the real joy of gen 1 and 2 was getting other kids and optionally pokemon stadium organized so everybody could complete their pokedexes together.
When gen 3 started out it was a lot harder to find other kids playing this new pokemon game, you would have had to buy a new link cable because the old one wasn't compatible anymore, and it became apparent that even with Ruby and Sapphire together you could only get a fraction of all the existing pokemon. Soon afterwards Pokemon Colosseum was released which was advertised as allowing you to get otherwise inaccessible pokemon, but nobody around me owned a gamecube or was willing to buy one (+link cable) just to complete the dex, so that fell flat. Some time later Firered and Leafgreen came out, but by that point so much time had passed everybody had kind of already given up on the dex and nobody was willing to pay for a game they already owned and played through with slightly better graphics.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 18:33:22 No.58328665 Report

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>>58325742
That they were dogshit and inferior to previous generations.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 18:34:23 No.58328668 Report

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>>58325742
People were seething you couldn't use older pokemon.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 18:48:30 No.58328734 Report

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>>58325742
No one really cared anymore because Pokemania was already dead. Everyone else had already moved onto Star Wars, Harry Potter, Yu-Gi-Oh or some other emerging franchise.
Anyone who claims people went out of their way to openly bash anyone who still played Pokemon has a warped perception and the reality of what happened is that they were autistic fucking losers who were too slow in the head to get a clue about how they looked to everyone else.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 19:35:13 No.58328980 Report

Quoted By: >>58329064 >>58329252

>>58326995
This is the most underrated post
The gap between PS2/Xbox and GBA was so massive that GBA became basically irrelevant
I remember having one, buying the Pokemon games, and then feeling like there was nothing else on the console and what the fuck did I buy this thing for?
RS was hurt a lot by that. People just didn't want to play games that seemed so outdated

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 19:50:41 No.58329064 Report

Quoted By: >>58329160 >>58329252

>>58328980
What the fuck was Nintendo thinking when they ported old Mario games to the GBA instead of making new ones.
The really hurt the GBA a lot aside from it being severely underpowered for its time

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 20:21:45 No.58329160 Report

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>>58329064
You have to remember that at the time, everyone thought 2d was old-fashioned and on the way out. You even parroted it right then by calling it underpowered - the GBA was the strongest handheld ever made when it launched, and they were testing n64 games on it in order to see what they could get away with (which they obviously scaled back, but still). It was the strongest handheld until the DS replaced it. The GBA competed with the wonderswan/swancrystal and neo geo pocket color, both of which were 8 bit handhelds. And the GBA was objectively not hurt by the lack of new 2d mario games because it was on track to be Nintendo's most successful system if they didn't release the DS and all that momentum shifted to it instead.
Not that I would have disliked new mario games on the GBA, but at the time most of these decisions nintendo made ended up being the right ones.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 20:32:54 No.58329219 Report

Quoted By: >>58329311 >>58329372

>>58325742
it feels weird seeing everyone complain about water, not a single one of my friends or myself had any gripes with it, in the originals or the remakes. it feels like one big meme

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 20:34:56 No.58329227 Report

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7/10, too much water and trumpets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 20:42:25 No.58329252 Report

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>>58328980
>>58329064
The GBA was in a really weird spot. The kids who bought it originally were growing out of Pokemon, and while there were a lot of good games out like Golden Sun, Zelda stuff, or Fire Emblem, I’m pretty sure that me and most of the Pokemania children were more enamored with bad ass shooty games on console. There’s a reason Sega thought Shadow getting his own game was a good idea around then. The vibe had shifted and the vulgar wave was in full swing.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 20:55:15 No.58329311 Report

Quoted By: >>58329369 >>58329372

>>58329219
it was started by IGN and people making fun of IGN for complaining about it, so...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 20:59:52 No.58329330 Report

Quoted By: >>58329735

Contemporary discussions focused on Gen 3 Pokemon looking weird, how version exclusive Magma/Aqua story was a step up from past exclusives, secret bases made linking up fun again, and praising visual improvements like reflections, footsteps, and weather effects.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 21:08:52 No.58329369 Report

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>>58329311
people were saying it for years before ign did it. it feels like ign was adding to the meme instead of leaving an honest review.
using the term "honest" very generously

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 21:09:18 No.58329372 Report

Quoted By: >>58329512

>>58329219
>>58329311
IGN was right, the water routes go too long and don't have the biodiversity to justify their length.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 21:29:10 No.58329480 Report

Quoted By: >>58329513 >>58329773 >>58329914

>>58325948
I’m 36 and will agree wholeheartedly. 2002-2007 was a dark age to be a Pokémon fan. It didn’t help that Ruby and Sapphire felt pretty barebones after the ambitiousness of Gold and Silver. I played through my copy of Ruby twice in those years. I played through Gold about seven or eight times in the same period. I remember beating the Elite Four and expecting to go to another region or something for a postgame and catch at least SOME of those missing Pokémon, but no, that was really about it. The Regis and Rayquaza added another few hours of gameplay, but it just felt underwhelming.

The real depressing thing was I had no job and no money to buy cards. There were some cool cards printed those years.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 21:30:43 No.58329489 Report

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>>58325756
Absolutely based post. Too many old fart oldennials shitting up the board when they should be in nursing homes.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 21:36:09 No.58329512 Report

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>>58329372
ORAS deserved a much worse score than 7.8, not because of the water routes though

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 21:36:14 No.58329513 Report

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>>58329480
Did Gen 4 really pull the franchise up from the Pokemania decline? From my experience, the dark age continued until XY or Pokemon GO revitalized mainstream interest.
Gen 4 was when everyone around me moved on to Halo 3 and CoD 4 and GTA IV and all the other realistic 3D AAA games on PS3 and Xbox 360 and no one outside the fanbase was thinking about Pokemon anymore when Gen 5 came out.
They're beloved gens now but at the time it really seemed like there wasn't anyone left who cared.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 21:40:59 No.58329526 Report

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>>58329512
Nah see that's a pretty mild take. I have one that isn't the result of ancient outrage culture and Gen 3 cult mentality:
ORAS is the definitive way to experience Hoenn if you do not care about post-game. The few weak areas (really just difficulty) are made up for by an expanded dex and modern features.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 21:41:50 No.58329528 Report

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>>58325756
>:3

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 21:42:51 No.58329532 Report

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>>58329489
Zoomers should be beheaded on the spot

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 21:42:54 No.58329533 Report

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>>58325742
I liked sapphire but was a bit annoyed there was no time machine.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 21:45:52 No.58329544 Report

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>>58329513
In my experience late Gen IV was when I started seeing people play Pokémon in public again, and Gen V was when normies started openly enjoying Pokémon. I recall talking to a jock about Black and White back in High School when the games were still new, we traded back and forth which is how I got Escavalier in my first playthrough.
Obviously it's going to vary based on where you live. Gen V was when Pokémon stopped being lame in my experience and just became an accepted mainstream franchise, but there wasn't an explosion of interest again until Go reignited Pokémania.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 22:13:58 No.58329680 Report

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>>58329513
That was right around the time where the internet matured into what it is today. Generally, the speed of the internet was greatly increased and information became easier to obtain as a result. Including about Pokémon, and finding out there were a lot of “closeted” Pokémon fans. Gen 4 also just put a lot more Pokémon available in the games and were backward compatible. So that time you spent with Gen 3 wasn’t all wasted. Even Diamond and Pearl didn’t feel as “incomplete” as Ruby and Sapphire did.

I say it was about 30 percent quality of the game and 70 percent the environment around the franchise for the revitalization of the franchise.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 22:19:04 No.58329696 Report

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>>58329513
>Did Gen 4 really pull the franchise up from the Pokemania decline?
Nah, the series had already proved its longevity at that point. Normalfags still didn’t care much about the series and you had a ton of whining about new designs continuing on from RS. I remember hearing some buzz about HGSS, but not really much relative to what came before.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 22:32:37 No.58329735 Report

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>>58329330
kys aishitter

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 22:38:16 No.58329768 Report

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>>58329513
If you played DP before Plat came out, how did you and the people around you irl feel about it?

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 22:39:17 No.58329773 Report

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>>58329768
Woops this question's meant for >>58329480

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 22:59:29 No.58329843 Report

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>>58325742
Most people would say that the Pokemon looked weird and that the games were only OK.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 23:17:31 No.58329914 Report

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>>58329773
I’m >>58329480 and I enjoyed it. I believe I have over 900 hours on the save file. Though, there’s a joke in there about how it takes an hour to get anything done in Diamond and Pearl. I felt it was a better link with the earlier Gens1 and 2, mostly because of all the cross gen evolutions. It was good, but late Gen 4 was my favorite time to be a Pokémon fan. Part of that was personal, I had a job and could buy the games and cards. It helped that the cards, even the singles, were affordable back then. But the games were just great. Platinum and HGSS are my two favorite games in the series.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 23:45:56 No.58330000 Report

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>>58329526
ORAS is trash and ruins the Hoenn experience

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 23:47:40 No.58330011 Report

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>>58329526
I would agree if they didn’t lock you in Dewford and Fortree.

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Anonymous Thu 02 Oct 2025 23:53:50 No.58330038 Report

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>>58329735
Not AI, just old. But I really should've thrown in an em dash, just to piss you off

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