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Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:09:04 No.58409856 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>58409869 >>58409885 >>58409924 >>58410027 >>58410188 >>58410238 >>58410262 >>58410302 >>58410689 >>58411604 >>58411950 >>58412133 >>58413904 >>58414411 >>58414418 >>58416783

Kazumasa Iwao directed Pokemon Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon as well as Pokemon Legends Arceus.

This man is a modern day genius and yet he was put on the back burner in favour of Haruka Tochigi, the man who previously directed... White Knight Chronicles - WHAT THE FUCK EVEN IS THIS

This is why your latest Pokemon game is set entirely in a bland and soulless city, where you're trapped in a concrete jungle unable to ever EVER explore the Kalos region at large.

Fuck Gamefreak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:10:47 No.58409869 Report

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>>58409856
I don't apologize to retards who make slop like that faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:11:45 No.58409877 Report

Quoted By: >>58410017

Why did he change USUM? The gameplay additions were fine, but all story beats including the cut ones from SM like Rainbow Rocket got fucking gutted. PLA has a great story, so I don't think he's an anti-story fag. Clearly he's the next Morimoto but I'm just baffled it's like when the Splatoon Team got their start with New Soup 2

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:12:10 No.58409885 Report

Quoted By: >>58410163

>>58409856
I hope this faggot gets fired just to piss you contrarian trannies off

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Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:16:42 No.58409924 Report

Quoted By: >>58409956 >>58414608

>>58409856
Kazumasa "Ultra Megalopolis is a straight line" Iwao?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:19:23 No.58409956 Report

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>>58409924
still looks better than ZA

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:27:03 No.58410017 Report

Quoted By: >>58410026 >>58410134 >>58412382 >>58416777

>>58409877
>Why did he change USUM? The gameplay additions were fine, but all story beats including the cut ones from SM like Rainbow Rocket got fucking gutted.
Iwao trimmed all the unnecessary story. The story in USUM is better (Ultra Necrozma > Crazy Lusamine) and the Team Rainbow Rocket plot is also better in the final game, concentrating it to them taking over Aether Foundation, rather than them being on different islands and some literal who Giovanni wannabe taking over.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:27:54 No.58410026 Report

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>>58410017
Ok

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:28:03 No.58410027 Report

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>>58409856
>This man is a modern day genius
Roru
Rumao

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:31:09 No.58410072 Report

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It's likely he has a big role in gen 10 even if it's not director, he was with Ohmori in the leaked discussions

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:36:51 No.58410134 Report

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>>58410017
>The story in USUM is better
lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:38:45 No.58410157 Report

Quoted By: >>58410256

Arceus sucked
Finish your research tasks

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:39:08 No.58410163 Report

Quoted By: >>58410516

>>58409885
you are a traitor to your own people

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:41:05 No.58410188 Report

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>>58409856
Because IWAO is busy with gen 10. Ohmori was sent to gay baby jail or something because gamefreak employees didnt like how much power he had.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:45:43 No.58410238 Report

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>>58409856
He allowed slow start regigigass in plza fuck him and game freak in general
Fuck power cuckstruct too!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:47:18 No.58410256 Report

Quoted By: >>58410390

>>58410157
fucking hate that game so much, random batches of pokemon walking around, no dungeons, no abilities, forced real-time crap, nothing to do but catch catch catch (and with no dexnav-like mechanics) FUCK OFF LEGENDS

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:48:21 No.58410262 Report

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>>58409856
>White Knight Chronicles - WHAT THE FUCK EVEN IS THIS
Overlooked PS3 JRPG from early in the system's life. It's nothing too special but if it released today it'd be getting 8/10's all around.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 18:53:19 No.58410302 Report

Quoted By: >>58411489 >>58411791 >>58414726

>>58409856
>Pokemon Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon
The emptiest, most worthless third versions ever that finally forced GF to stop doing them.
>Pokemon Legends Arceus
The single laziest game in the entire series with the most egregious level of cut content, but people give it a pass because it was hyped as "open world."
>This man is a modern day genius
You're joking, right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 19:03:10 No.58410390 Report

Quoted By: >>58410426

>>58410256
I have no interest in PLA but the concept design of it is legitimately beyond amateurish. In addition to what you've listed
>Game is set in the second half of the 19th century but uhhh there's like 3 towns and some clans because Sinnoh is the MYTHS region, btw this is for core players who care about series lore
>Almost every single character is an expy of an existing character, worldbuilding is my passion
>The plot twist final boss of the game is also an expy of the final boss of the original games
>Throw in a bunch of new forms that got retroactively added to the Pokemon canon as well as a bunch of legendaries from Unova because why the fuck not [inb4 they're based on eastern concepts]
It's the most cynical idea for a game I have ever seen.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 19:06:16 No.58410426 Report

Quoted By: >>58410457 >>58410476

>>58410390
Canceling Legends Johto is also maddening because if there ever were a setting to take back in time and have it actually make sense...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 19:08:47 No.58410457 Report

Quoted By: >>58410476

>>58410426
Johto only has the burning tower event as anything worth giving a shit there's no setting there to explore. Johtotards need to get this over their skulls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 19:10:44 No.58410476 Report

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>>58410426
Johto would have been the best trial for the 'Legends' Concept but because they're so set in their ways they felt like they had to do Sinnoh next, and it took the place of the Sinnoh remake, with the "actual" Sinnoh remake just being shat out with a lunch budget so they could say it existed.
>>58410457
That's the point, you build on what's there as a framework and flesh out the world and lore through the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 19:15:41 No.58410516 Report

Quoted By: >>58410574

>>58410163
Contrarian faggots that don't even like the games past GSC yet insist on sticking around here to whine and shit this place up aren't "my people". They're quite the opposite actually.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 19:21:38 No.58410574 Report

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>>58410516
Who the fuck defends gen 1 and 2 in vp???

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 19:23:45 No.58410593 Report

Quoted By: >>58410668

Iwao was hit or miss. USUM was lame as shit outside of one fight and while Arceus was interesting it was also underbaked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 19:31:10 No.58410668 Report

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>>58410593
>it was also underbaked.

Underbaked defines the entirety of the Pokemon Switch catalog.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 19:33:41 No.58410689 Report

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>>58409856
>ruined the alola story
>open world tech demo

Genius.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 20:56:44 No.58411489 Report

Quoted By: >>58412296

>>58410302
>people give it a pass because it was hyped as "open world."
thats not in any way why people like it

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Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 21:14:36 No.58411604 Report

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>>58409856
>you should support this guy because his accolades include making the worst third version ever that fixes none of the original's flaws and infact introduces new ones, and directing the ugliest and emptiest game to date that people fall over themselves to defend because it's le different

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 21:40:23 No.58411791 Report

Quoted By: >>58411965

>>58410302
>>Pokemon Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon
>The emptiest, most worthless third versions ever that finally forced GF to stop doing them
Just admit that you have the most disgustingly shit taste ever, and move on, idiot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 21:48:47 No.58411857 Report

Quoted By: >>58411939 >>58411959

>USUM
>Change the story for the worst instead of improving upon it
>Wormhole minigames with the shitty gyro
>Zero exploration, everything is a straight forward hallway
>Rainbow Rocket was just a post game boss rush instead of an actual dungeon or story element
>PLA
>Worst progression system in the series forcing you to capture the same Pokemon multiple times
>Most barebone battle system since Gen 1
>No multiplayer
>”Overworld” when it’s actually a level select
>Virtually no trainer battles
>Isekai story

Yeah fuck this dude

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 21:58:57 No.58411939 Report

Quoted By: >>58412124

>>58411857
>>USUM
>>Change the story for the worst instead of improving upon it
That's just, like, your opinion, man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 21:59:34 No.58411950 Report

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>>58409856
I'm somewhat convinced that they actually wanted to do the whole of Kalos in this game but they couldn't get it done in anywhere close the amount of time they had because apparently it was really important that they do real time combat so instead this is what we got

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 22:00:21 No.58411959 Report

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>>58411857
you forgot he made the rotom dec shittier

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 22:00:52 No.58411965 Report

Quoted By: >>58411984 >>58411998

>>58411791
What was good about USUM? Inb4 features nobody cares about

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 22:04:16 No.58411984 Report

Quoted By: >>58412037

>>58411965
>features nobody cares about
Features that people who like Pokemon care about, you mean

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 22:06:17 No.58411998 Report

Quoted By: >>58412037

>>58411965
the sidequests and the Kanto gym were fun, and the mantine surfing was soul but I would've preferred Soaring to come back

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 22:12:01 No.58412037 Report

Quoted By: >>58412049

>>58411984
Ohh yes like the battle Agency oooh the battle Agency!! I can’t wait til that one comes back, what a feature
>>58411998
The Kanto Gym??? The fucking KANTO GYM? The game planned to have actual fucking gyms to go with the plot point of building a league from scratch and they couldn’t even add them in the “enhanced” versions. This is embarrassing anon, is that really all it takes to impress you -a shitty one-off KANTOOOOO area that’s 1/8 of what it’s actually supposed to be?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 22:14:24 No.58412049 Report

Quoted By: >>58412063

>>58412037
Cope harder

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 22:15:51 No.58412063 Report

Quoted By: >>58412120

>>58412049
There is no coping mechanism for the series going to shit unfortunately, I wish USUM wasn’t a soulless cash grab and that I COULD like it, but alas…

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 22:22:27 No.58412120 Report

Quoted By: >>58412206

>>58412063
It's okay, you just have shit taste bro :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 22:22:55 No.58412124 Report

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>>58411939
>Changed the antagonist family dynamic that the story was built around to “these guys are from another dimension and a legendary is mad”

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Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 22:23:57 No.58412133 Report

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>>58409856
>white knight chronicles
>Wait, that piece of shit from over 15 years ago? No way, I don't believe this
>look up boxart
>....
FUCK

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 22:33:36 No.58412206 Report

Quoted By: >>58412233

>>58412120
I guess I just can’t appreciate the high artistic achievement of the ULTRA CHANGES and the deep social commentary of the Ultra Megahallway…ah well

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 22:37:17 No.58412233 Report

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>>58412206
New anon but is the meta on 4chan now to just list off things as innately positive? I'm noticing with bad game contrarianism on this board people will just say things with zero engagement and say "it's good" without quantifying why it's good. It's very common for USUM defenders in particular

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 22:43:42 No.58412296 Report

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>>58411489
Right, there was also the catching gimmick that made all the Legpiss/Go casuals clap like trained seals.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 22:52:57 No.58412382 Report

Quoted By: >>58412438 >>58413232

>>58410017
>Ultra Necrozma > Crazy Lusamine
No. The story of SM is the story of Lusamine's family. I understand why that's controversial, since the game is a more traditional JRPG where the story centers around other characters, but the story loses a lot when you reduce her part.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 14 Oct 2025 22:58:01 No.58412438 Report

Quoted By: >>58413232

>>58412382
It's not necessarily the idea Lusamine was reduced, it's more the context of her situation was reduced because USUM reskins SM scenes altogether with brand new dialogue to attempt to tie Necrozma into a plot it clearly wasn't written for. The redemption arc is a complete afterthought and it degrades the idea that Lusamine was ever in the wrong in the first place, which given Ohmori, was always the intent of the character and why people don't dislike the anime portrayal despite her not being a villain there

There had to be a better way to incorporate both. And tossing the planned Rainbow Rocket story for "Giovanni of an alternate dimension" just makes that whole story feel tacked on instead of the planned anniversary idea of trying to say Giovanni truly did have a change of heart in Gen I all for a super faggoty attempt at making effectively Tony Soprano the Gigahitler Final Boss of the franchise, completely nullifying his appeal

But then you just get replies of "nuh uh, it's better cause they changed it"

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 00:49:07 No.58413232 Report

Quoted By: >>58413276 >>58413486

>>58412382
>>58412438
Gameplay >>>>>>>>>>> Story

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 00:55:24 No.58413276 Report

Quoted By: >>58413365

>>58413232
Go play romhacks then

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 01:09:16 No.58413365 Report

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>>58413276
Cope :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 01:27:00 No.58413486 Report

Quoted By: >>58413502 >>58413538

>>58413232
USUM has terrible gameplay so what’s your point? Imagine defending a game that’s literally 1/10th of the designers’ original vision, you were supposed to be able to traverse the islands freely and what we got was linearslop

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 01:29:28 No.58413502 Report

Quoted By: >>58413517 >>58414404

>>58413486
USUM is the best enhanced version (better than Crystal, Emerald and Platinum).

If you think USUM has "terrible gameplay" you're just dumb.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 01:32:05 No.58413517 Report

Quoted By: >>58413547

>>58413502
Quick question: what’s your favorite side dungeon in usum?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 01:34:55 No.58413538 Report

Quoted By: >>58413564

>>58413486
>you were supposed to be able to traverse the islands freely
You mean you could go anywhere like an "open world" game? Glad we dodged that bullet in SM/USUM. Fuck Open World games. SV was a disaster. Linear games are better than Open World slop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 01:35:57 No.58413547 Report

Quoted By: >>58413564

>>58413517
Sandy Cave probably :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 01:38:34 No.58413564 Report

Quoted By: >>58413574 >>58413613

>>58413538
USUM shiteaters are truly an inferior species, wow
>>58413547
A single room is not a dungeon but nice try

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 01:40:54 No.58413574 Report

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>>58413564
Keep coping

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 01:45:50 No.58413613 Report

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>>58413564
>USUM shiteaters are truly an inferior species, wow
You're just mad because USUM is better than your favorite Pokemon game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 02:32:16 No.58413904 Report

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>>58409856
Only way I would call him a genius is if he made a version of alola with skippable cutscenes

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 03:55:43 No.58414404 Report

Quoted By: >>58416745

>>58413502
>USUM
>Zero dungeons
>No exploration
>Shittier story
Were there any actual QoL upgrades from SM to USUM

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Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 03:56:27 No.58414411 Report

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>>58409856

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Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 03:57:20 No.58414418 Report

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>>58409856
>Pokemon Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon as well as Pokemon Legends Arceus.
The most boring game in the entire franchise that ruined the only thing SM had going for it, and a shitty barren tech demo?

No thanks

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 04:05:26 No.58414485 Report

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Was there some Rainbow Rocket stuff that got leaked? What are people talking about?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 04:23:10 No.58414608 Report

Quoted By: >>58414625 >>58417183

>>58409924
I can't fucking wait till we get legends ultraspace. We don't even need new forms, just give us like 40 ultrabeasts. They don't all have to be powerhouses, some can be the ultra space version of Bibarels and their prevos. You can even restrict the beast boost ability to only the current ones (in fact you should). Just make completely wild creature designs unlike any regular pokemon. Give us more than the glorified hallways to explore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 04:24:48 No.58414625 Report

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>>58414608
Sounds like what USUM should have been in the first place instead of the fake "Ultra Changes" garbage.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 04:36:31 No.58414726 Report

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>>58410302
>with the most egregious level of cut content
What content was cut? Honestly PLA seems like the most complete game aside from the two legendaries locked behind having a save of two previous games.

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Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 09:57:47 No.58416475 Report

Quoted By: >>58416755

I liked the Team Rainbow Rocket, but it feels like something they wanted to do for Anniversary 2016 and didn't finish in time.
The bosses in USUM were pretty good.
"""New Areas""" like Pikachu Valley and Ultra City were way too small. Compared to Distortion World or Battle Frontier which were massive additions.
Narrative changes were kind of weird and soulless. Lillie and Lusamine resolve their broken mother-daughter relationship off screen lmao. It was better in the vanilla game. Also the dad comes back, and there's just no emotion when they find out that he's alive? The anime of all things rewrote this whole subplot.

Overall USUM is the weirdest "3rd Version", where they fixed a few things and left others still feeling unresolved. Unlike Platinum which consolidated DP into one game and expanded on the lore. I guess Iwao is more of a boss battle guy than a storyfag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 11:21:01 No.58416745 Report

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>>58414404
>>USUM
Best game
>>Zero dungeons
Not true
>>No exploration
Not true
>>Shittier story
Not true
>Were there any actual QoL upgrades from SM to USUM
USUM additions over SM:
Battle Agency
Alola Photo Club
Mantine Surfing
Ultra Warp Ride
Kantonian Gym
Move Tutors
New areas
New Pokémon
New Z-Moves
Rainbow Rocket
100+ side quests
Etc

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 11:23:31 No.58416755 Report

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>>58416475
>I guess Iwao is more of a boss battle guy than a storyfag
That's exactly why he's the best

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 11:30:58 No.58416777 Report

Quoted By: >>58417150

>>58410017
>I liked the Team Rainbow Rocket, but it feels like something they wanted to do for Anniversary 2016 and didn't finish in time.
teraleak showed this was exactly the case

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 11:32:37 No.58416783 Report

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>>58409856
Legends Arceus is the only good game he made. Damn. I don't know, bragging about 1/2 of your games being good isn't the best thing to brag about

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 13:03:26 No.58417150 Report

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>>58416777
>teraleak showed this was exactly the case
That's the case with all enhanced versions. They finish the content that wasn't finished for the base games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 13:10:13 No.58417183 Report

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>>58414608
true kino would be an Ultra Legends game where most of the dex is Ultra Beasts, with regular mons popping up as the “oh shit what is this” encounters
imagine all the characters freaking out because this strange and mysterious creature (a Slowpoke) popped out of a wormhole

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 16:02:40 No.58418263 Report

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I'm honestly surprised by the amount of people hating USUM here on veepee. You guys wouldn't recognize a great game even if it hot you in the face.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 15 Oct 2025 16:06:54 No.58418303 Report

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I'm honestly surprised by the amount of people hating USUM here on veepee. You guys wouldn't recognize a great game even if it hit you in the face.

USUM is objectively the best "enhanced version", but most people here prefer Crystal, Emerald or Platinum because those games are more nostalgic to them. Simple as that.

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