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Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 16:40:47 No.58534747 View View Reply Original Report

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What the fuck are these stats? What is gamefreaks obsession with taking away speed for a mega??? At least Zeraora looks decent i guess

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 16:46:45 No.58534794 Report

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>>58534747
>Heatran
Looks fine. Losing speed when he was already base 77 isn't a big deal. More SpAtk is nice as is more SpDef. More attack is interesting as its physical movepool is very good so it means that it wont be walled by blissey or something.

>Darkrai
Very bizzare stat spread. Trying to make him bulkier is a choice but I can kinda see it. The ability would hopefully be noguard so he can force sleep on users after taking a hit. I can see it working. Would really need to know ability first.

>Zeraora
Obviously designed to be a sweeper. It'll be good for sure kinda sucks he's staying pure electric

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 16:50:08 No.58534815 Report

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>>58534794
>sucks he's staying pure electric
Where was that confirmed?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 16:56:34 No.58534853 Report

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>>58534747
>put opponent to sleep turn 1 as the faster regular Darkrai
>mega turn 2 to hit harder and be tankier when the opponent wakes up
Could be kinda neat

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 16:57:00 No.58534859 Report

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>>58534747
Hopefully Darkrai's other stats undo the downside of losing speed, bro needs something after the Dark Void nerf humiliation ritual.
Either way though, I need to SEE them before I complete my judgement. With how the Megas in ZA have been so far, they could be anything from Kino to Literally one body part gets really big :D

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 16:58:03 No.58534862 Report

Quoted By: >>58534906

>>58534747
They nerfed Zacian because it was too broken this seems like a similar deal

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 16:58:07 No.58534863 Report

Quoted By: >>58535115 >>58535205 >>58536873 >>58538418

>>58534815
From the same OP that posted it on the reddit sub. He has the beta build

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 16:58:41 No.58534867 Report

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>>58534794
I think Heatran's speed could still be useful if it got access to agility/autotomize/rock polish
With max investment (252 EVs, +spe nature) at +2 it'll reach 512 speed, enough to outspeed everything everything in every OU speed tier beyond tier 0 (500-fastest), and even then it'll specifically outspeed
>252 spe +2 Basculegion,
>252+ spe +1 Lilligant-Hisui,
>252 spe +1 Roaring Moon, and
>252+ spe unboosted Deoxys-Speed
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-speed-tiers.3711207/

This is making the assumption that Mega Heatran doesn't end up banned but I'm not betting on it because we know how gen 10's powercreep will be

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 17:02:52 No.58534906 Report

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>>58534862
Except they already nerfed Darkrai by nerfing Dark Void. Unless it gets No Guard, it's kind of screwed still, especially with the way power creep is going

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 17:26:35 No.58535078 Report

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Heatran: Attack +30, Special Attack +45, Special Defense +35, Speed -10.

Darkrai: Attack +30, Defense +40, Special Attack +30, Special Defense +40, Speed- 40.

Zeraora: Attack +45, Special Attack +45, Speed +10.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 17:33:14 No.58535115 Report

Quoted By: >>58535125

>>58534863
Oof, would have been the time ro make it Electric/Fighting

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 17:35:16 No.58535125 Report

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>>58535115
to*

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 17:43:58 No.58535177 Report

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GF trying to control the powercreep is ridiculously funny when Mega Rayquaza + item exists and let's not forget Flutter Mane + Booster Energy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 17:46:41 No.58535196 Report

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>>58534747
It makes sense for Heatran since it was already slow, definitely not for Darkrai though

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 17:48:24 No.58535205 Report

Quoted By: >>58535214

>>58534863
Is Darkrai also staying pure dark?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 17:49:40 No.58535213 Report

Quoted By: >>58535218 >>58536235 >>58537712 >>58537723

Dex entries

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 17:49:47 No.58535214 Report

Quoted By: >>58535644 >>58535714

>>58535205
Yes all their typings don't change

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 17:50:23 No.58535218 Report

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>>58535213
Finally my shiny Zeraora can be useable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 17:57:06 No.58535259 Report

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>>58534747
These stats are for ZA, aren't they?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 18:17:06 No.58535431 Report

Quoted By: >>58536756 >>58537410

Darkrai is slower because it doesn't float anymore, it walks

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 18:18:16 No.58535438 Report

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We already got stats for the DLC megas?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 18:22:21 No.58535475 Report

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Darkrai has Ominous Wind added back to its learnset

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 18:27:57 No.58535529 Report

Quoted By: >>58537371

Why are people talking about +2 boosts when these are clearly for ZA, which only uses +1? And isn't turn based? What world are you living in?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 18:28:57 No.58535536 Report

Quoted By: >>58535556 >>58536199

>>58534747
Did I miss a leak? What are the stats for the other dlc megas?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 18:30:43 No.58535556 Report

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>>58535536
Tera leak.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 18:33:43 No.58535585 Report

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>>58534794
Blissey already loses to Heatran due to Magma Storm and Taunt. No stall player is going to leave their Blissey in on Heatran because it flat out dies or gets massive chip otherwise.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 18:40:42 No.58535644 Report

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>>58535214
That suck fat cock
Pure dark is shit defensively
Why not make it dark ghost

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 18:44:52 No.58535677 Report

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>>58534794
>he
?
Heatran is a 50% female species.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 18:49:59 No.58535714 Report

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>>58535214
Jesus that's disappointing

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 19:41:01 No.58536081 Report

Quoted By: >>58536772

>>58534747
>130 def and spdef
>lost speed
did darkrai become fat

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 19:55:04 No.58536171 Report

Quoted By: >>58536214

>>58535585
But now it can Heavy Slam Blissey with its 4300 weight

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 19:56:15 No.58536188 Report

Quoted By: >>58536210 >>58536347

>>58534747
>Heatran in theory is impossible to fuck up stats on
>They actually fucked it up
>No def
>Reduces speed when it outsped other fatmons
>Stacking attack despite giving it 175 special attack

Stacking attack would be fine if they didn't give it that ridiculous special attack too. Even vs a light weight special wall like slowking, flash cannon is still better than heavy slam. That attack is meaningless vs 175

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 19:58:09 No.58536199 Report

Quoted By: >>58536900

>>58535536
There is a seperate free story update for the game that is unrelated to the Mega Dimension DLC which will have Darkrai, Heatran and Zeraora. Their mega stones are already in the base game with no update.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 19:59:10 No.58536210 Report

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>>58536188
Yeah but what if you wanted to do an Overheat set with Physical Moves for fun?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 19:59:37 No.58536214 Report

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>>58536171
It already weighs 4200. This does nothing to change almost all the heavy slam calcs

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 20:02:07 No.58536235 Report

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>>58535213
>Sauron Pokemon

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 20:20:44 No.58536347 Report

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>>58536188
>40 Speed EVs allow Heatran to outspeed Adamant Kingambit
>With base 67 it will need 120 EVs
oof

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 21:34:05 No.58536756 Report

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>>58535431
Omg... u might me right... fuck dude I was actually hyped for mega Darkrai but you just shut me down completely.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 21:37:20 No.58536772 Report

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>>58536081
The prophecy of ft Darkrai came true

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 21:49:49 No.58536856 Report

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>>58534747
Until I get a confirmation, I'm gonna assume these stats are fake

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 21:52:06 No.58536873 Report

Quoted By: >>58536901

>>58534863
How do we know it's real though?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 21:56:56 No.58536900 Report

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>>58536199
How do we know this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 21:57:39 No.58536901 Report

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>>58536873
We don't. It's just copium.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 22:44:24 No.58537190 Report

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Who the hell asked for bulky mixed attacking Darkrai?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 23:11:02 No.58537371 Report

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>>58535529
People are only talking about these things in the context of Champions (and the showdown ruleset based on champions). Nobody really gives a shit about how viable something is in PLZA.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 23:22:09 No.58537410 Report

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>>58535431
Would be kino

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 23:35:08 No.58537457 Report

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>>58534747
Do we know Raichu X and Y?

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Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 23:40:08 No.58537488 Report

Quoted By: >>58537568

>>58534747
>SLOW
>MIXED
>ATTACKER
Thought we where done with these

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 23:45:39 No.58537513 Report

Quoted By: >>58537548 >>58537670 >>58537732

Zeraora looks good. Might be better than Regieleki

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 23:51:38 No.58537548 Report

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>>58537513
Slower but better offenses and actual coverage?
Wow I'm not surprised.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 30 Oct 2025 23:55:15 No.58537568 Report

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>>58537488
Not really, it's game freak mission to ruin every pokemon you like

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Oct 2025 00:23:04 No.58537670 Report

Quoted By: >>58537688 >>58538429

>>58537513
Mega zeraora killed both the mega raichus before they even existed kek

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Oct 2025 00:24:49 No.58537688 Report

Quoted By: >>58537699

>>58537670
Always remember if the mega is lame no one will play it, people have to like zeraora to play it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Oct 2025 00:26:48 No.58537699 Report

Quoted By: >>58537719

>>58537688
No one likes both raichus

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Oct 2025 00:28:39 No.58537712 Report

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>>58535213
>Mega Heatran is thousands of times hotter than the sun
Magcargosissies in shambles

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Oct 2025 00:29:55 No.58537719 Report

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>>58537699
People like Raichu though, they will play a mega just to win with Raichu.

No one really likes zeraora in the west, at worst people will play him if it's good but I can't see a fanbase for it grow like it happened to the other megas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Oct 2025 00:30:23 No.58537723 Report

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>>58534747
>>58535213
How are these three in the code but not all of the other Megas? They just forgot to completely scrub those three in specific?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Oct 2025 00:32:56 No.58537732 Report

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>>58537513
We will have to see abilities and typings later. Even if Zeraora remains as a pure Electric type, it'll still be crazy. Of course it depends on the moves and ability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Oct 2025 00:34:09 No.58537740 Report

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>>58534747
Given how things have been adjusted between mainline and za, i think darkrai will get retouched in mainline. Either that, or they're planning on how to use him in pvp, because him having a massive AOE sleep move will be incredibly frustrating to deal with. In mainline, i'm guessing they're going to make his sleep move 100% accurate in exchange for the lower speed

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Oct 2025 03:16:44 No.58538418 Report

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>>58534863
Link?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 31 Oct 2025 03:19:25 No.58538429 Report

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>>58537670
>mythical
lmao

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