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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:12:01 No.58790255 View View Reply Original Report

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CHARIZAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD also centro is a retard faggot cocksucker

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:12:46 No.58790256 Report

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>>58790255
I was on the fence but now im buying ts day 1 thanks op

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:15:42 No.58790266 Report

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>>58790255
holy shit looks kino

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:15:42 No.58790267 Report

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>>58790255
Is that... ?!?!

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:16:49 No.58790271 Report

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>>58790255
OH NO NOT THE GANG OF BIG BLACK SHINY ALPHA CHARIZARDS FROM KANTOOOO

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:18:16 No.58790275 Report

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>>58790267
>>58790271
KANTOOOOOOOOOO

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:19:04 No.58790278 Report

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>>58790255
>no alpha
Lmao

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:21:00 No.58790283 Report

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>>58790255
BLACK CHARIZARDS TOUNGE MY ANUS!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:21:53 No.58790286 Report

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>>58790255
feel good knowing my bro is immune to the dexcut
>b-but muh plass
that tech demo flopped for a reason

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:23:28 No.58790288 Report

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>>58790286
Chairzard, Lucario and Pikachu are uses as placeholders. Others get uses as placeholders too, but those 3 are often typically implemented first.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:24:31 No.58790290 Report

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Grok, what generation of Pokemon is Charizard from?
No... It can't be ..!

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:25:02 No.58790292 Report

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>>58790255
Charizard is a faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:25:05 No.58790293 Report

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>>58790255
Regular turn-based combat, huh?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:25:34 No.58790296 Report

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Ka...

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:25:39 No.58790297 Report

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>>58790288
cope harder kid

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:27:03 No.58790299 Report

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>>58790293
>the true Pokemon game play like a true Pokemon game and not like a legends spinoff
wowser

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:27:07 No.58790300 Report

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>>58790297
Two things can be true. Obviously the Gen 1 starters are in the 30th anniversary game. But Chairzard being used here is a placeholder. Think before you post.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:28:42 No.58790303 Report

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>>58790299
There were people claiming they would relegate turn-based to Champions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:30:00 No.58790308 Report

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>>58790303
only delusional legendskek who actively hate pokemon did

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:31:00 No.58790310 Report

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ZA Flopped

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:31:53 No.58790312 Report

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>>58790300
>Obviously charizard is in the 30th anniversary game
ftfy. blasturd and venushit will be dlc afterthought at best

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:32:54 No.58790315 Report

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>>58790310
its a legends game with emboar as a dtarter. what did you expect?

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:42:22 No.58790330 Report

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>>58790310
Good

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 20:50:54 No.58790344 Report

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>>58790255
Imagine being a charizard hater and seeing this. You instantly die, reduced to atoms

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 21:00:55 No.58790362 Report

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>>58790303
>>58790308
That already happened, retards. The development of games overlap and they have been going that way for a while
>SS, with turns, is finished while they also work on Legends Arceus
>Legends Arceus development is finished with time line of actions instead of proper turns, while SV still has turns
>SV releases with turns, but they also work on Legends Z-A which has nothing like that, it's entirely real time action based
And Ballguy said WW works like Legends Arceus system again. And we know Legends Galar is real time action again.

Do you know the last time GF wasn't developing at least one game without normal turns? When they made the jump into the Switch and were working on Let's Go but also on SS. And right now there's no game with actual turns in development, as far we know.
Face it, actual turns are fucking dead outside Champions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 21:02:28 No.58790364 Report

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>>58790362
I don't see a turn timeline in OP pic.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 21:06:44 No.58790375 Report

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>>58790362
Arceus combat was atrocious.
They're not adopting that streamlined, wonky garbage.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 21:19:30 No.58790403 Report

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>>58790364
>>58790375
Ballguy already leaked it and if anything that pic proves it's not turn based, unless you think they are doing gen 6 hordes again but with even more pokemon and can happen at any time you are surrounded randomly.
You either think you will have to wait 12 enemy turns until you attack again or you just admit this is a mix of LA and LZ-A systems like the leakers say and turns are fucking dead.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 21:33:28 No.58790434 Report

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>>58790403
>best implementation of turn based
which is...?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 21:38:17 No.58790449 Report

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>Legends gameplay taking over
Based

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 21:40:02 No.58790453 Report

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>>58790255
you should add the "Centro is a retard faggot cocksucker" all over the actual imahe

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 21:55:25 No.58790500 Report

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 22:14:54 No.58790565 Report

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>>58790453
hes lurking in the dc it was posted in so theres no point

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 22:54:09 No.58790679 Report

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>>58790255
Do we know when these screenshots are from? 2024? 2023?

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:02:47 No.58790709 Report

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>>58790364
It looks literally like Arceus' with how pokemon free roam but apparently can be in included in the battle if they are just close when it begins, unlike SV system where it's always 1v1 unless it's specifically a double battle format
We are getting more LA battles then Legends Britbong with pikmin army-like gameplay, clearly they are doing Champions so the old turn format still exists some way after the mainline games go in other directions

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:06:39 No.58790720 Report

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>>58790709
ZAbros..........................

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:17:11 No.58790751 Report

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>>58790720
Z-A real time combat is already in Legends Galar just using lots of pokemon at same time bro

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:21:21 No.58790760 Report

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>>58790255
>4 moves on a list again
I can't go back after ZA had moves button-mapped.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:27:04 No.58790778 Report

Quoted By: >>58790788

The change to an arceus timeline system isn't that drastic in terms of a single player system, but it would sever the games' connection to the competitive formats. Pokemon Champions will not have a good funnel for new players if there's no connection to the main games.
I don't think it will be as drastic as people believe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:30:34 No.58790788 Report

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>>58790778
What are you talkiog about? You can send your pokemon there and the battle system will be different, that's all. Just like you can sent LA mons to SV, or how you will be able to send any pokemon that appears in the lumiose dexes to ZA no matter where they are from and later, back to Home and to Champions

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:31:57 No.58790792 Report

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>>58790720
It flopped

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:31:57 No.58790793 Report

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>>58790255
ZA battle system was for retarded people glad we are going back to turn based

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:33:25 No.58790799 Report

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>>58790255
Why don’t they just make turn based a separate mode like other RPGs? why the hell do we have to deal with this hybrid system that is just keeping everyone on edge? Champions was made for turn based, keep it that way and don’t make changes at all.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:36:44 No.58790808 Report

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>>58790799
because turn base pokemon games sell better than non turn base pokemon games. ZA underperformed compared to pla despite not getting canibalized by a ilca shovelware for a reason.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:37:53 No.58790812 Report

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The LA system also matches all those pics where you can see the HP of many pokemon (just like OP pic). In SV the HP bar only shows up when you enter battle and once you leave the bar is restored, it doesn't have a battle transition like pre-Arceus games but there's still a clear distintion between "battle mode" and normal free roam.
Here any pokemon can be a target or target to even at same time, it's no longer a restricted 1vs1 turn battle like in all (non Legends) previous games

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:39:21 No.58790815 Report

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>>58790808
Wasn’t that just for the first 3 days? iirc Z-A has already outperformed PLA

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:41:46 No.58790820 Report

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>>58790815
Yeah, it has in Japan for which we have reasonably accurate weekly data. We have to wait for Nintendo's quarterly update for worldwide sales and to make a full comparison.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:44:05 No.58790829 Report

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>>58790815
Yeah but you have to understand that poor retard hates Legends and wants them to flop and never affect the non-Legends game so he has to tell himself Z-A is doing worse than the first one

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:46:35 No.58790838 Report

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>>58790362
>>58790375
LA's combat system feels like they wanted to have real-time combat but got cold-feet. I really hope it doesn't come to the mainline games. Sadly, if it does, normalcattle will eat it up as a "breath of fresh air" and "adding another layer of strategy" not realizing that it's always optimal to just click agile style.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:47:39 No.58790843 Report

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>>58790815
Its basically set to out sell LA at this point.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:49:38 No.58790845 Report

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>>58790812
that could just mean gamefreak is removing loading screens for wild/trainer battles and they all happen in the world

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:49:52 No.58790847 Report

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>>58790838
Legends Arceus is already a mainline game and the system is already implemented and expanded in Gaia, with Legends ZA's real time combat being also present in gen 10's Legends game you shouldn't be surprised when gen 11 also uses it
The future is now, oldman

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:50:10 No.58790848 Report

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>>58790829
In reality any short-term comparison is loaded because ZA's release was influenced by being an early cross-gen title meaning the new console still has low adoption and the old one is at the end of its life cycle making some people likely to wait until they get the new one. I'm not looking forward to more retarded comparisons next year when gen 10 doesn't open as high as SV on 25-something million Switch 2s versus 80 million Switch 1s.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:50:32 No.58790850 Report

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>The battle system is like pla meaning double battles are out
Vgcsisters… you told me our format was the core of the series…but in actuality it was just another gimmick…

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:52:14 No.58790855 Report

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:52:22 No.58790858 Report

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>>58790848
is it not coming to switch 1?
i can't afford a switch 2

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:53:05 No.58790862 Report

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>>58790858
You have ten months to make those 450 bucks.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:53:16 No.58790863 Report

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:54:43 No.58790867 Report

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>>58790863
we have comiket in pokemon now?

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:55:03 No.58790869 Report

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>>58790863
Snomchads... Nymblegods... We're allowed in the KANTOOOO and shillmon club.

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:57:10 No.58790875 Report

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>>58790863
King CHARIZARD and prince Lucario

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:57:11 No.58790876 Report

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>>58790858
Nope, the teraleak had info about their projects (Titan, Gaia, Ikkaku, etc) and Gaia aka WW was listed as a game for "the new hardware" only. Like the other anon said you have some months to get yourself the money for a Switch 2 buddy, because emulation isn't an option this time

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:57:21 No.58790877 Report

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>>58790863
I really do wonder how they choose which Pokemon show up in these builds outside of the KANTOOOO set and other shillmons that're basically guaranteed entry.
If this is reflective of mons showing up in the final game (which it may not be, remember SwSh's beta build had mons like Pidgeot and Furfrou that never made it into the full game) I'm glad Nymble and Lokix are in regardless, love that line

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Anonymous Mon 29 Dec 2025 23:58:34 No.58790881 Report

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>>58790863
YOOOOOOOOOOO MEGA ZERAORA CONFIRMED IN GEN X GUYS

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:01:41 No.58790891 Report

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>>58790858
>>58790876
Found the pics. This is Pokopia, they weren't sure if to make it for Switch 1 or 2, the "new hardware".

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:03:05 No.58790893 Report

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>>58790891
This is Titan (Scarlet Violet) DLC, aka The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero. Software lists two versions, one for each base game, hardware says Switch

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:04:24 No.58790898 Report

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>>58790893
"Legends 2", the planned Legends Johto game divided in two editions to maximize profits according to their own documents. Eventually it was turned into one single game in the present, Z-A, but for their dual edition planning it's listed as Hardware: Switch, and Software: 2 versions

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:04:51 No.58790901 Report

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The hype is real for GAIA

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:05:57 No.58790902 Report

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>>58790898
I hope they eventually go back and make a Legends Johto but goddamn, the idea of two versions for Legends is just vile.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:06:06 No.58790903 Report

Quoted By: >>58790909 >>58790949

>>58790898
And then we get gen 10 aka Gaia aka Pokémon Wind and Pokémon Waves. Software? Two versions. Hardware? "New hardware" only.
You either get yourself a Switch 2 or you won't play gen 10.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:07:17 No.58790909 Report

Quoted By: >>58790920

>>58790903
if im reading this right then the game is fully complete already

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:07:27 No.58790910 Report

Quoted By: >>58791004 >>58791041 >>58792686

>Gaia's region is fucking Indonesia
Who cares honestly

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:10:58 No.58790920 Report

Quoted By: >>58790929 >>58790931

>>58790909
It's complicated because Switch 2 delays clearly affected Pokemon, they originally wanted to have Mega Dimension completed by October 2025 but that's when the base game ended up being released, a full year later, which is why the DLC was released shortly after. They probably were able to finish the game already ("finish" by their standards) but maybe the extra year let them keep working on it? Or maybe they focused that extra time on the DLC instead who knows, but yeah WW should be pretty much done by now

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:12:14 No.58790924 Report

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Charizard pros:
looks cool
Is iconic
Reasonably strong but not OP
Has diverse ways it can be used and is not one dimensional

Cons:
It's popular and that makes me mad >:^(

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:12:47 No.58790929 Report

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>>58790920
I just hope that phantom year went towards working on gen 10 more and not Z-A

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:13:10 No.58790931 Report

Quoted By: >>58790964

>>58790920
Strange to think they didn't plan to release gen 10 in 2026 for the 30th anniversary in the first place.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:16:37 No.58790949 Report

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>>58790903
>19 million USD budget
Grim

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:19:26 No.58790964 Report

Quoted By: >>58790974 >>58790980

>>58790931
To be fair finishing the game in August doesn't mean you are releasing it in August, games always spend some time in gold phase before being sold. I wouldn't be surprised if they just scheduled it that way so they were 100% sure the game was complete by the time 2025 ends so they can sell it in February 2026 for the 30 years of the franchise
And would also fit the yearly release thing
>2022 - Scarlet / Violet
>2023 - The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero
>2024 - Z-A
>2025 - Mega Dimension
>2026 - Wind / Waves

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:21:25 No.58790974 Report

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>>58790964
The slide says "2025: gen 10" so I assume they intended to put it out this year. I don't think they'll ever consider releasing mainline games outside the fall season again, it seems to be the time that works best for them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:22:48 No.58790980 Report

Quoted By: >>58790986 >>58790991 >>58791038

>>58790964
Imagine they shadow drop gen 10 on pokemon day

They show the trailer and it ends with available now

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:23:37 No.58790986 Report

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>>58790980
They have Pokopia already scheduled for one week after the anniversary.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:24:37 No.58790991 Report

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>>58790980
90% of pokemon profit comes from merchandising, they would never do such a thing, they need to build up the hype and sell cards, toys, plushies and stuff first

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:27:51 No.58791004 Report

Quoted By: >>58791041 >>58791225

>>58790910
And the next game is the worst region ever made but with Pikmin mechanics. I'm honestly only excited for Seed, the rest of the 30th anniversary generation seems like a skip

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:41:18 No.58791038 Report

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>>58790980
Imagine this will result in the same shit Sega Saturn got into lmao

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 00:44:14 No.58791041 Report

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>>58790910
>>58791004
Indonesia is a great country for a Pokemon region, chud

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 01:30:07 No.58791113 Report

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>>58790875
LA won
ZA lost

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 01:31:36 No.58791117 Report

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>>58790297
arrest yourself gramps

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 02:08:27 No.58791211 Report

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>>58790286
If I had a nickle for everytime a game that excluded charishart was kino...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 02:16:01 No.58791225 Report

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>>58791004
I can't wait to go back to Galar

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 03:54:55 No.58791427 Report

Quoted By: >>58791481 >>58791834 >>58792601

I unironically don't fucking care about gen 10, it will be ass, look, in legends arceus you have no content or battles to even slightly enjoy new damage calculator, in ZA you have pseudo rouge like where pokemon can't even attack stuff you wanted

of course gen 10 is going to be a fucking shit show, 100000 percent guarantee

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 04:15:46 No.58791481 Report

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>>58791427
yes, we say that every gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 07:36:05 No.58791820 Report

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>>58790799
Anyone who who doesn't like turn based is retarded
There is no fun in just smashing button randomly

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 07:40:50 No.58791827 Report

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>>58790255
Is this our first real look at the male protagonist? Not the ai-generated render passed around recently

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 07:41:47 No.58791831 Report

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What am I looking at? Is this leaked from Wind and Wave or something?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 07:46:24 No.58791834 Report

Quoted By: >>58792135

>>58791427
Sword and Shield started downfall of Pokemon game
ZA will make it worse
Problem is Pokemon is too big to fall.
So even trash will sell 30 milliions

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 11:25:55 No.58792130 Report

Quoted By: >>58792147

Can someone tell me about the legendaries and what is there role?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 11:29:05 No.58792135 Report

Quoted By: >>58792139 >>58792175

>>58791834
>Sword and Shield started downfall of Pokemon game
That was Sun and Moon. Pokémon died after Masuda got kicked out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 11:32:02 No.58792139 Report

Quoted By: >>58792151

>>58792135
*XY
Masuda was betrayed while working on them, the result is the first actually bad title of the series, the start of stupid gimmicks, handholding, annoying rivals, no postgame, no optional areas

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 11:36:37 No.58792147 Report

Quoted By: >>58793254 >>58793427

>>58792130
Wind oldman and wave oldwoman with weather effects are the origin of some magical-like island, wind and waves represent the invisible forces that moved nature and will keep doing so, game has a theme of the world left by our ancestors and the world we leave to our descendants.
You also have to raise a seed pokemon (inspired by Spore and Princess Maker) and it evolves into something differently based on how you do it since another theme of the game is infinite possibilities and endlessly expanding world, supposedly nobody has seen the seed's evolution and the elder mascot pokemon only show up to those who raise the seed properly.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 11:37:48 No.58792151 Report

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>>58792139
>the first actually bad title of the series
That was Masuda's golden child, bro, many years before XY

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 11:53:48 No.58792175 Report

Quoted By: >>58792691

>>58792135
No, there was a slight drop in quality as soon as Pokémon released titles on the 3DS, so starting with X and Y. But the 3DS games are still pretty good overall.
It's since the Switch that the games have become bad. At best, we have APL, SV, and Z-A, which were somewhat interesting in terms of their ideas, but their bugs, visuals, and technical aspects are just too poor. LGPE and BDSP are a complete and unambitious joke. SS is just bad in almost every aspect except for its ambiance and music

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 14:08:17 No.58792351 Report

Quoted By: >>58792404 >>58792592 >>58792694

You know Legends ZA's battle system is gigantic boring chore when people complain about doing 1000 battles to get the shiny charm.
It's not an upgrade and I had more fun battling opponents XY/SM/SV's ranked online than I ever did battling in Arceus or ZA.
Pray for turn based anons, Arceus battle system was wonky and the damage calcs made no sense.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 14:37:16 No.58792404 Report

Quoted By: >>58792406 >>58792595

>>58792351
You lost, buddy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 14:39:33 No.58792406 Report

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>>58792404
I'm willing to notch another L for ball guy, not his first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 16:18:35 No.58792587 Report

Quoted By: >>58792604 >>58792834

>>58790362
>>58790403
He literally says it's turn based, the comparison to PLA seems more about the feel and flow of encounters rather than actual battle mechanics.

>but there are hordes of Pokemon
The classic battle system already has its variations of AOE moves, and it's silly to think they can't make adaptations for large scale battles to be faster. Not to mention it's possible for wild battles to have Legends-like mechanics while trainer battles stay completely traditional.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 16:20:41 No.58792592 Report

Quoted By: >>58792694

>>58792351
Exactly, if the battle system was actually competent, 1000 battles doesn't become an issue.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 16:21:41 No.58792595 Report

Quoted By: >>58792747

>>58792404
idk anon, seeing how ZA's battle system has already been tossed in the dumpster for the next two games

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 16:23:38 No.58792601 Report

Quoted By:

>>58791427
Very insightful Pedro

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 16:24:12 No.58792604 Report

Quoted By: >>58792609 >>58792618

>>58792587
Yeah I think it's more like a change to the encounter system, where a battle beginning doesn't preclude other mons from joining.
I doubt that they're getting rid of accuracy checks and rpg elements. Or at least I'd hope not, the Bethesafication of pokemon's battle system would be a shame. Streamlining it, making abilities and doubles strategies removes the rock/paper/scizors depth and replaces it with nothing.
Legends ZA in particular has a really degenerate meta, partly because of the format, partly because there's little depth, and partly because there's mechanics like movement/attacks that half baked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 16:29:18 No.58792609 Report

Quoted By:

>>58792604
>Legends ZA in particular has a really degenerate meta, partly because of the format, partly because there's little depth, and partly because there's mechanics like movement/attacks that half baked.
This, holy shit ZA's battle system is so jank and devoid of depth and it becomes even more apparent in the online ranked mode, if that became the main combat of the mainline games people would drop that shit so fast, because I can guarantee you Game Freak would not try to improve it, lazy fucks.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 16:30:23 No.58792613 Report

Quoted By: >>58794096

>>58790255

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 16:31:16 No.58792618 Report

Quoted By: >>58792636

>>58792604
>Legends ZA in particular has a really degenerate meta
Does it? It sucked when Xern and Mewtwo ran the game but currently it's pretty healthy with tons of mons from the DLC being super viable (Rotom, Marowak/Alolawak, Armarouge, Annihilape, TatsuDozo, Gholdengo, Sirfetch'd, Swampert, Glimmora, etc. etc.) on top of base game staples still there to keep them in check (Garchomp, Skarm, Metagross, etc.)
It has issues for sure (the main one being the FFa format and limited switches basically kill the viability of dedicated tanks) but I've been having plenty of fun grinding ranked.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 16:42:02 No.58792636 Report

Quoted By: >>58792650

>>58792618
I made it to rank A on the previous 3 seasons, with the advent of hyperspace giving me apriballs I no longer care.
There's not enough depth to keep me involved, getting to Master Ball in SV ranked doubles was more varied since the best of 1 closed team sheet meant that the game could be trial by surprise. Kept things fresh, there's no comparable strategy in ZA's heavily streamlined battle system.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 16:47:49 No.58792650 Report

Quoted By:

>>58792636
Oh I'm not denying that ZA is significantly less complex than the normal battle system, I just think it has enough of it's own merits to be at least fun for a sustained period of time. The way it's set up means a ton niche shit that'd never get the light of day in the main series have at least some form of niche currently. Mons like Grafaiai, Stunfisk, Emolga, and Watchog putting in work is pretty cool, and having the skills you need to succeed shift from stuff like long-term planning and strong team building to situational awareness and snap decision-making undeniably makes the game simpler but it's still fun to mess around with. I wouldn't want this to become the main battle format but I wouldn't be opposed to it sticking around in the Legends series/spinoffs and becoming a side thing at tournies like FG outings have side brackets.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 16:49:46 No.58792655 Report

Quoted By:

>I love trying to one shot people with no strats whatsoever

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 17:10:52 No.58792686 Report

Quoted By:

>>58790315
>It’s a Legends game with Skibidigatr as a starter. What did you expect?
ftfy
>>58790910
Better than yet another European region

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 17:13:02 No.58792691 Report

Quoted By:

>>58792175
ZA is $100 for the full experience which is egregious. I don’t think people would complain about modern Pokemon games as much if they were priced more fairly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 17:13:29 No.58792693 Report

Quoted By:

This shit looks really rough even for in-development shit. How far are they in? 2 Weeks?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 17:13:36 No.58792694 Report

Quoted By: >>58792734

>>58792351
>>58792592
>replying to yourself for this nonsense
People complain over the 1000 battles because those are just a lot of battles, duh, and Z-A has the fastest battles in the franchise precisely for how combat centric the game is by design, if the battle system was like LA or worse, like the other games the complains would be more numerous simply because it would make the task longer and that's the only complain.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 17:20:53 No.58792713 Report

Quoted By: >>58792798 >>58792824 >>58792831 >>58794049

>>58790876
>emulation isn't an option this time
That's what they always say but the Switch 2 architecture is basically the same as the Switch 1 with some minor changes. I expect a working Switch 2 emulator before the end of 2026.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 17:29:59 No.58792734 Report

Quoted By: >>58792790

>>58792694
>battles are streamlined and boring in ZA
>actually this is a good thing!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 17:38:27 No.58792747 Report

Quoted By:

>>58792595
Legends Galar is entirely real time based buddy

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 17:59:50 No.58792790 Report

Quoted By: >>58792804

>>58792734
>battles are streamlined and boring in ZA
Don't remember saying such a thing. Please, stop confusing the voices in your head with what real people actually say.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 18:03:34 No.58792798 Report

Quoted By:

>>58792713
The difference this time is that Nintendo's security is way better, doesn't matter if the architecture is similar if the console isn't hacked. Expecting anything playable by the end of 2026 is very wishful thinking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 18:06:38 No.58792802 Report

Quoted By:

ZA's battle system is so braindead

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 18:07:17 No.58792803 Report

Quoted By:

So sad Charizard isn't going to be in the new Pokemon games, like Greninja being used as a placeholder in the Sword proto

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 18:07:19 No.58792804 Report

Quoted By: >>58792827

>>58792790
You're suggesting the 1000 battles was actually good because it's streamlined.
It still sucks anon, 1000 battles isn't much if the core gameplay is enjoyable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 18:16:21 No.58792824 Report

Quoted By:

>>58792713
No really, a few Switch games don't even work in Switch 2 because how much they changed it', it's not just a more powerful Switch, it just behaves like one when you play it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 18:17:42 No.58792827 Report

Quoted By: >>58792861

>>58792804
>You're suggesting the 1000 battles was actually good because it's streamlined.
I'm serious buddy, stop listening to the voices in your head and pretending they are here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 18:20:10 No.58792831 Report

Quoted By:

>>58792713
Switch 2 isn't the same. Switch 2 games run through an emulation layer.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 18:21:49 No.58792834 Report

Quoted By: >>58792851

>>58792587
>He literally says it's turn based
Yeah because he calls Arceus system turn based too, but it's actually a timeline of actions battle.
>it's completely traditional except in the parts that I will allow
Keep the cope budy but OP pic isn't a traditional turn battle and you know it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 18:27:34 No.58792851 Report

Quoted By: >>58792892

>>58792834
There's nothing in the pic that suggests the battle system changing, multiple Pokemon on screen isn't anything new

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 18:30:42 No.58792861 Report

Quoted By: >>58792876

>>58792827
>keeps responding to defend his ZA apologism
Kick the chair anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 18:36:45 No.58792876 Report

Quoted By:

>>58792861
>can you please stop proving me wrong? I like it better when I can make up what you said, actually reading your posts is hard :(
Sure, anything so you don't have an episode again, bro, but promise to take your meds next time, okay?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 18:39:29 No.58792885 Report

Quoted By: >>58792901

Legends games' combat systems will continue to have no impact on the mainline games because, shockingly, legends games are spinoffs and not mainline. If Gen V included Pokemon Ranger combat of drawing circles, you faggots might have some credibility

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 18:43:53 No.58792892 Report

Quoted By: >>58792940

>>58792851
In previous games pokemon health isn't visible until you enter battle because there's a distinct battle mode when you encounter one, then health is reset once said mode finishes, even if pokemon are able to be around the battlefield or just stand close, you still trigger 1v1 (see SV) any time, that's how it works in all games but Arceus and Z-A, with doubles/hordes being the exception, and that's clearly not what's happening there because it would mean you can have one turn and then have to tank twelve enemy turns before you can act again, a system like Arceus, where faster mons can attack multiples times in a row, is more likely and what Ballguy used to explain the system.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 18:47:30 No.58792901 Report

Quoted By: >>58793019

>>58792885
How did you feel when GF put ZA in the main line titles part of the Pokemon website? Did you try to kill yourself again? I know you already did it when they did the same with LA
Hopefully you won't try again when you see proper footage of WW and battle are seamless and with a number of actions defined by speed like LA.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 18:57:41 No.58792927 Report

Quoted By:

Naruhodo...

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 19:03:16 No.58792940 Report

Quoted By: >>58792959

>>58792892
You're leaping to conclusions based on health bars, nothing about the way Legends games showed them can't be adapted to traditional battles. SV is the only game that's happened in the era of new battle systems, it's not a good enough sample size to assume strict patterns.

The Charizard pic is also likely some kind of stress test or proof of concept, I doubt you'll ever have wild encounters with that many Pokemon, >>58790709 looks more realistic.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 19:12:42 No.58792959 Report

Quoted By:

>>58792940
>You're leaping to conclusions based on health bars
Nah based on the fact ballguy already said it's like Legends Arceus, dumbass, the health bars as well as the number of pokemon in battle (not just in the Charizard pic) just support what he said. Cope.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 19:18:46 No.58792970 Report

Quoted By:

>>58790315
Emboar is great nigger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 19:43:45 No.58793019 Report

Quoted By: >>58793220

>>58792901
No, I dismissed it as some stupid website organization because that's what it is. You're reading too deep into it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 20:31:33 No.58793220 Report

Quoted By: >>58793559

>>58793019
>No, I cried. Hard.
Good bitch. How much did you cut yourself when Ishihara explicitly said Z-A was the next entry of the main series of Pokémon game?
https://youtu.be/jf2Swumodb8?si=NyT4YzKkf2KZpWKa&t=1650
I bet you bled like a pig, right, piggy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 20:40:09 No.58793254 Report

Quoted By:

>>58792147
Hmm, interesting. Guess we have to wait until February.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 21:48:03 No.58793427 Report

Quoted By: >>58793437 >>58793466

>>58792147
>You also have to raise a seed pokemon (inspired by Spore and Princess Maker) and it evolves into something differently based on how you do it
So we’re just copying Digimon now?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 21:49:46 No.58793429 Report

Quoted By:

>>58790255
is this supposed to be from the mmo or gen 10?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 21:52:33 No.58793437 Report

Quoted By: >>58793447 >>58793453

>>58793427
>documents literally say it's based on this and that
>"wow we are copying this other thing???"
No dipshit are you illiterate or what's your problem

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 21:55:52 No.58793447 Report

Quoted By: >>58793554

>>58793437
Do they documents explicitly say Spore and Princess Maker? All I see is an anon’s post mentioning it along with oldman and oldwoman.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 21:56:53 No.58793453 Report

Quoted By:

>>58793437
to be fair it sounds very similar to digimon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 22:00:37 No.58793466 Report

Quoted By: >>58793566

>>58793427
>Digimon is in its renaissance
>People loved the latest game
>Game Freak sees how openended the evolution system is and tries to copy it
Makes sense desu

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 22:08:49 No.58793485 Report

Quoted By:

>>58790877
They probably try to choose pokémon with different shapes to represent as many scenarios possible without having to actually to test the whole dex
Small pokémon, winged pokémon, bulky pokèmon, humanoid ones, CHARIZARD, PIKACHU, LUCARIO, quadrupeds, snakes and so on

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 22:33:06 No.58793554 Report

Quoted By:

>>58793447
Yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 22:36:51 No.58793559 Report

Quoted By:

>>58793220
You feel pretty confident in yourself. I'm happy for you

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 22:38:44 No.58793566 Report

Quoted By: >>58793654

>>58793466
>being this delusional
These documents have been a thing for years, retard, there's a 0% chance Time Stranger's success, which is only one by Digimon standards (and would be a massive flop for Pokemon) had any influence in this.

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 22:41:47 No.58793568 Report

Quoted By: >>58794005 >>58794935

Forgot to mention SimsEarth
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/58425420/#58472268
>・Seed Pokémon A baby seed Pokémon encountered at resorts. (Seed Pokémon = pre-evolved)
>While these Pokémon are rare in this area, no one has ever seen their evolved form.
>They begin to evolve when they visit the island where a package lives. *Princess Maker + Sim Earth.
>Its appearance is said to have infinite variations. *Procedural transformation. Ecological changes.
>*The reason each player has a unique island.
>・Package (Storm) The Storm package Pokémon. Its role is that of an old man. It lives on an island that keeps people away.
>It has the power to guide people and Pokémon in the right direction using the power of wind.
>It only accepts people who have properly raised seed Pokémon.
>・Package (Wave) The Wave package Pokémon. Her role is that of an old woman. She lives on an island that keeps people away.
>She has the power to guide people and Pokémon in the right direction using the power of the waves.
>She only accepts people who have properly raised her seed Pokémon.
Infinite possibilities of islands, infinite possibilities of evolution, and the elder pokemon overseeing the thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 22:49:35 No.58793590 Report

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charitard
venushit
blasturd

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Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 22:57:17 No.58793612 Report

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Will Seviper be that big in Gaia?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 23:08:52 No.58793654 Report

Quoted By: >>58793735

>>58793566
>this fag seriously thinks Game Freak hasn’t been scrambling to copy Palworld and Digimon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 23:33:38 No.58793735 Report

Quoted By: >>58793789 >>58794669

>>58793654
I'm gonna be brutally honest with you. If you think GF has the slightest interest in your plagiarized fanfic with guns for anything but suing them you may be dumber than the president of the United States of America himself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 23:37:13 No.58793749 Report

Quoted By:

>>58790267
who is this nigga

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 23:46:12 No.58793789 Report

Quoted By: >>58793885

>>58793735
They went on to copy yokai watch in the most blatant way possible. Unlikely sure, but it’s not out of the question

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 30 Dec 2025 23:54:09 No.58793824 Report

Quoted By:

ATB battle system leaked

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2025 00:10:43 No.58793885 Report

Quoted By: >>58793909

>>58793789
Yokai Watch while mediocre, was rising and could have become something bigger. Digimon already dropped the ball years ago and while they seem to be doing nice by their standards it's impossible such old ideas could be inspired by anything recent the other franchise did, specially when they list entirely different games as inspiration instead. And Palworld is literally just a joke, a bunch of plagiarized models for the "Pokemon with guns" joke, not a single valuable or original thing there, it's just lawsuit fodder.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2025 00:19:40 No.58793909 Report

Quoted By: >>58794016

>>58793885
>it's just lawsuit fodder
And tell me, how’s that lawsuit going for nintendo btw, hmm?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2025 01:04:05 No.58794005 Report

Quoted By:

>>58793568
Shame that the Switch 2 haven't been broken yet. Would love to see how many forms the seed can achieve.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2025 01:05:23 No.58794011 Report

Quoted By: >>58794086 >>58794107

Greninja was used as a placeholder in SwSh

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2025 01:07:43 No.58794016 Report

Quoted By: >>58794023

>>58793909
Pretty nice considering cuckworld was forced to change shit kek
Tardworldfags really are insane

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2025 01:10:01 No.58794023 Report

Quoted By:

>>58794016
Wrong. They temporarily changed things until the outcome of the lawsuit was decided, and they won
The pal spheres are coming back

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2025 01:18:36 No.58794049 Report

Quoted By:

>>58792713
The OS is completely different retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2025 01:30:10 No.58794086 Report

Quoted By:

>>58794011
>nigerun
hehe xd

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2025 01:32:29 No.58794096 Report

Quoted By:

>>58792613
i saw 3 charizard and 3 pecharantrums

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2025 01:35:38 No.58794107 Report

Quoted By:

>>58794011
Man Greninja fell off hard, cut and not even used as place holders anymore

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2025 05:56:54 No.58794669 Report

Quoted By:

>>58793735
Someone’s mad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2025 06:05:44 No.58794685 Report

Quoted By:

>>58790300
No, every wild Pokemon will be a Charizard and you will have to fight off Charizard hordes throughout the game.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2025 09:16:30 No.58794935 Report

Quoted By:

>>58793568
aren't those from like 2021
it's possible gamefreak scrapped most of it. not all concept ideas are realized

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2025 18:19:29 No.58795841 Report

Quoted By: >>58796628

>>58790881
Is that Rhyperior in the back?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 31 Dec 2025 22:45:40 No.58796628 Report

Quoted By:

>>58795841
I hope not

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