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alright i am home so here is my thoughts and argument regarding the island thing:
first of all i want to make it clear i personally have no issue with /2434/ having some further out islands at all, if anything the possibility for such things excite me since i myself would have something i previously scrapped that could be revived if such things exist.
however, and in partly for the last part just mentioned(i want to be transparent about my own desires here upfront), i do not liek the sentiment that this will be done for jsut /2434/ and then forbidden from there on out for other nations.
for those others that brought the /ahoy/ thing into this: that should have no impact on anything for the future whatsoever. the change of border was agreed upon by voting, including alice.
First, it was not requested by anyone in the thread at all and was done due to miscommunication with Panon(the usual problem, not his fault) and the thread worked with Panon to make it a thing that all could agree upon.
Second, with this change /ahoy/ lost land they had previously and to appease some people that had reservations about it, alice offered her island in return. While this was admirable, giving compensation for compensation after the fact would set some bad precedent for the future. It can create a mindset whereas nations will feel entitled to new islands when they gave land to new threads.
As for alice arguments herself, i think those are fine and furthering decisions that breed creativity is something i think is a good thing. but ultimately it comes down to her personal desires. it is not a necessity to have these islands. Other nations, regardless which ones or how their naval setup is, should be able to just as well have this tool for creativity and if they make a fine case for themselves to request for an island.
therefore i think the vote we have should be about if any nation at all is allowed to make requests or not about newly made islands. and if there is a case against it then it should be the /mans/-/wah/ situation where the new island was made to solve a huge problem the best way possible and was in that regard a necessity and any nations that want it for personal stuff themselves should be treated the same.
of course each case should be seen on itself as for what the request is, the request of alcie for example should be seen differently from one i would make or if some other nation would want an /inf/ sized island because "why not?"
before we vote at all however, and if that has happened already and i missed it i am sorry to brign this up. We should actually ask for the viepoint of the mapanon and climate anon, ocean current anon ect. since they are the ones doing the heavy lifting for this and new requests could mess with their hard work they have done and i feel before any desires of our own we should respect the work they have done for us so far and should respect if they themselves are fine with this or not.
