>>99426135In addition to all of this, Bao's statement in the first paragraphs literally proves that everything Red does, Sinder knew. Unless you're willing to say that both Nano and Bao, huge creators with the space with a lot to lose and basically nothing to gain by throwing an innocent Sinder under the bus, decided to do just that, there's all the evidence to point to Sinder and Red just being scum.