>>79487237>>79487047They're both obsolete now that pic related exists. There is no way they aren't getting nerfed because holy shit it's not even funny how powerful they are.
>>79487225Let's be real, 90% of people don't play NG+ in Souls games. Especially not the "you didn't beat the game crowd" because anyone who's gotten to NG+3 knows you have to bust out the most broken shit just to get through the retardedly high enemy hp thresholds.
