>>85061159Good post
>Part of the culture is really into idol culture, kayfabe and/or girlfiend experience. Another part is much more casual and human about it and having fun things be fun.>The former group is much more original to what vtubers were aboutI'd disagree with that, especially if you go back to the very earliest day with vtubers like NijiJP, comedy skit vtubers, peanuts, etc. You can separate it into 3 eras then in that case. Even after hololive grew and took over the majority share of western fans /jp/ had some of both with relative popularity of certain vtubers like "winning son" roberu. Vtubers don't all need to be idols though and that thought itself can be seen as a "secondary" development.
>Pandora's Box has been opened and vtubers of all sorts, and especially of the more casual types, are in every niche and at this point I think it's pointless elitism to complain here specifically as this is NOT a thread centered around an idol group or a corporation but instead an activity or special interest any vtuber may partake in. There are plenty of threads and places and avenues for waifufagging, just pick one, but your fantasies and illusions probably aren't shared here specifically and you need to come to grips with it.This is more of the issue at play here. /vrt/ has always allowed men, women and even others from the very first thread. Someone likes to claim it wasn't meant but looking at the 1st threads and even the threads before it was /vrt/ when the idea was being formulated you can see people were talking about wanting /vrt/ to be more than a stealth Lumi thread when they made the change despite her being what spurred things and the favorite at the time. I myself was initially somewhat more on the anti-male feeling but since they were a part of the thread I didn't anti them, I mostly ignored them but when some people started to come in and try antiing them more it was going against what /vrt/ was. You want to know something? I'm one of the main ones that posted "good luck bro" to Haru. Initially it was meant as sarcasm given the state of the thread at the time, like "you're trying to post here? Good luck with that bro" but he was good-natured and naive enough to take it at face value every time and in time I started to really mean it. I still have no problem with people posting lewdity or romance about their vtubers, it can be fun, the problem comes when people attack others over it or become delusional.
I fear /vrg/ was always going to be a failure because it was built on isolation and hatred of other so the more mean spirited and isolationist types favored it. Their extreme preference for a single vtuber or several from several unrelated that are very different in style and personality occupying the same thread was going to cause problems. I used both a little and tried to keep them civil and to not mention each other but /vrg/ was doomed and ended up existing only as schizo containment but containment never works.
