>>63343884to me it took a shit ton of time because I had bursts of motivation and periods of inactivity/too busy, I would guess its the same for the average learner, as long as you never get to the point of giving up forever it does eventually start clicking and when you get to understand a certain amount you get even more motivated to go on, the main problem with japanese is that the initial barrier for getting to that understanding is higher than other languages, that initial frustration is probably the biggest filter and once you get to that point motivation to learn tends to come a little easier
But yeah I love nene