>>101290677>your emphasis on sexual repression makes me think your main issues are emotional / psychological in nature. What else would it be? Sexuality is literally psychological.
>Notice how I had said alcohol "abuse". How is that different? Every time you drink alcohol, you risk getting addicted/ you risk creating a toxic relationship with alcohol.
This was 'your' argument.
>Obviously pedophilia is potentially very harmful.So is alcohol? Drunk driving can get multiple people killed, substance abuse can ruin entire families and contribute to long-lasting mental disorders in other family members.
>Especially in the case that they commit offenses, apparently, as the facts show.I don't even know what this point has devolved to.
>Frankly, I dont think it's a "big ask" that "millions" pedophiles be morally responsible for their actions in the first place. No reason given.
>Many already feel remorse following their actions, it's not uncommon, it's probably millions as well.Unrelated to the point.
>It really seems like these points you're trying to have me prove are a kind of cognitive distortion, which is a very common coping mechanism for pedophiles trying to justify themselves and their actions. Armchair psychology.
>I was just using your own rhetoric against you. You claim it claim must be important because millions of pedos depend on it. Well billions say otherwise.That's not how it works. I was pointing out the absurdity of your demands in relation to the severity and quantity of how people will be negatively affected if you were wrong.
Take for example, circumcision. Let's say we have weak evidence that says circumcision makes you impervious to STDs. I tell you "Hey, maybe cutting the skin of people's dicks off should require more justification?", because if you're wrong and millions of people experience a net negative after the operation, you have made yourself complicit.
Now, if you instead conducted extensive research into the topic, and it still turned out to be a net negative, the judgement of your moral character will be very different becuase you have taken steps to not be negligent.
>They do have an interest, That's clearly not what I meant. By 'no interest in x' I meant that they aren't attracted to children.
>You wanted evidence of fantasies preluding offenses. 70% offenders had fantisized.This isn't evidence. It's just a statistic.
Real evidence would try to discern the amount of people who would have committed the crime either or only when having been exposed to pedophilic stimuli in the past.
>Your pleasure is not a moral objective when it comes at the cost of pedophilic fantasies. You flat out refused to write out the "cost of pedophilic fantasies" in a quantitative manner, earlier, so you don't get to invoke it in a risk-benefit analysis until you do just that.
>If your idea of your "best interest" is fulfilling your sexual fantasies, I will never be able to give you an argument that you will be satisfied with, because it will always be wrong to be a unremorseful pedo, No? Even my post implicitly stated the opposite. Did you just see the word 'utilitarian' and made up your mind about the rest of my post without reading it?
Look again,
>utilitarian approach that weighs everyone's best interests>everyone'sWe both recognize that getting raped is worse than being sexually frustrated, but if you add risk to the equation, the conclusion is no longer in your favor.
1 sexual frustration does not equal 1 person not getting raped. That's not how it works. You don't even know the risk of "not suppressing sexual fantasies -> rape", it's hard to study, but more importantly, not immediately obvious.
>Morality is not dependent on pedophilic happiness, it is dependent on universal truths that treat people (CHILDREN) respectfully and minimize harm.This is a list of opinions. Substantiate them if you want to be challenged, or they're meaningless.
>"Spiritually castrate" is such disgusting sophistry for "I don't want to be held accountable for my actions".I don't know what that has to do with sophistry, but you're using very loaded language yourself.
The expense of "I don't want to be held accountable for my actions" is sexual repression. Maybe you're asexual or have a low sex drive, but many people, especially sexual minorities, tie their identity and life satisfaction to their ability to sexually express themselves.
If you think that "spiritual castration" is taken too far, then I think you simply lack empathy to insert yourself in the shoes of, for example, closeted homosexuals who have been severely ridiculed and shamed for decades in the past.
