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>>103936167
For a company that size, yes. If I understand correctly, about 30 million dollar in assets, about 15 million dollar in loss this year. That's not great, but they have enough time to turn things around.

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 17:06:10 No.103936401 Report

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>>103936156
Bear in mind that they also lost like 800 million yen in the fiscal year before that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 17:07:25 No.103936426 Report

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>>103936167
They are funded by VCs and other creditors. They should be worried because they have to show they can make money or else no more funds for them.

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 17:08:13 No.103936437 Report

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Their EN vtuber companies make absolutely no money and they are just setting piles of cash on fire to run 3d concerts and absorb dying brands. then they throw money away buying subs for their ENs thinking faking subs is gonna translate into dollars and opportunity and it doesnt

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 17:13:19 No.103936546 Report

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Brave having a shady background would be the least surprising revelation under the sun

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 17:21:35 No.103936744 Report

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>>103936156
>>103936167
If Brave group is a public company, their stocks would drop harder than Anycolor Selen shock drop right now. I'm thinking about 3 consecutive drops then a free fall until they are lower than Cover's lowest price

They are "lucky" that they aren't IPO and not take the heat from public investors, but I doubt they would be able to apply for any markets now if they keep tanking losses. Not even Growth market that Cover is in would accept this company because their minimum requirement is showing that you aren't in the red

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 17:31:10 No.103937000 Report

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>>103936426
No joke. They raised tens of millions of dollars from VC. They will come knocking sooner or later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 17:32:13 No.103937023 Report

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Well color me fucking shocked.
Who knew buying up a bunch of companies and having subpar management skills would lead to this.
SHOCKING I say, shocking.
Several branches on the verge of implosion, after having lost several talents across them and possibly soon to be more.
The vacuum left by them is going to be awful, several of my favourites are under them now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 17:33:55 No.103937077 Report

Quoted By: >>103937340 >>103937447

>>103936546
Doubt they would go back to their old Unlimited corp roots, but what is obvious is their incompetence and it was pretty clear that they uses VShojo expansion tactic, but instead of buying out indies, they buying out corpos and leaving them alone

The fact that they are in the red and their profit is probably not half of what Anycolor or Cover earned means they likely don't spend that much on their own infrastructure too, resulting in less staff and less events for non-Vspos

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 17:41:28 No.103937263 Report

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>>103936156
Only Hololive remains

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 17:44:35 No.103937340 Report

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>>103937077
>Half
Nigga they probably made the same revenue as VShojo or at least in 2-3 billion yen range at best. There is no way bunch of 3views would be enough to earn them 8 figures in yen

Funny how Westerners treated Brave group as on par with Anycolor and Cover, but jap investors know that they would rather sell their house to Cover stocks instead of this money bleeding company

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 17:48:17 No.103937426 Report

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nobody has ever taken Brave Group seriously

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 17:49:12 No.103937444 Report

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>>103936156
has it been over a year since they went on the corpo buyout spree?

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 17:49:15 No.103937447 Report

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>>103937077
>Doubt they would go back to their old Unlimited corp root
remember when they got caught by YT botting subs and were demonitized for months?

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 17:50:55 No.103937492 Report

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>>103937444
they acquired a small corpo that was popular in the Korean scene recently

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 18:04:34 No.103937821 Report

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>>103937000
And they lost like a third of the amount they raised.
That should indeed raise some alarms unless the investments they have start generating cash right now.
Each fiscal year Brave Group is losing money. 500M yen, 800M yen and now 2.1B

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 18:07:35 No.103937889 Report

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v4m retards out there pretending they make money

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 18:47:53 No.103938996 Report

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>>103936156
>buy small corpos paying inflated prices for their "vtuber IPs"
>most of the chuubas graduate, making the IPs functionally worthless
>repeat
I can see why they are losing money

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 18:55:33 No.103939217 Report

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>>103937889
No one is under any illusions about their moneymaking abilities and those people don't post in catalog threads anyways. if they were making money, the investors would demand a swift exit through IPO.

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 18:55:58 No.103939229 Report

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>bought up multiple failing small corpos
>they now take on their failures collectively like thanos collecting the infinity stones to finger snap themselves with
a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off. or should I rather say, a Brave strategy.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 18:56:05 No.103939234 Report

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>>103938996
they should just recast them, they've done it before

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 18:56:59 No.103939270 Report

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>>103938996
the Idol purchase made some sense because they thought they were buying 1,300,000 subs
only problem was the girls with 1,000,000 of those subs didn't want to work with Brave and bailed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 19:02:39 No.103939412 Report

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>>103936156
Why is their strategy of buying hundreds of vtubers hoping one of them is a Gura killer not working???

Also more male vtubers please, it's an untapped market I hear

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 19:18:25 No.103939881 Report

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>>103939412
>Why is their strategy of buying hundreds of vtubers hoping one of them is a Gura killer not working???
This isn't their strat. The globie guy didn't even know that gura existed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 19:19:31 No.103939903 Report

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>>103936156
it'll be phase next mark my words

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 19:31:02 No.103940226 Report

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>>103936156
they need to buy the homoshitters from cover first and then they can fall

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 19:40:02 No.103940463 Report

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>>103936167
The retards here are poor and stupid. How would they know?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 19:55:38 No.103940846 Report

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>>103936156
Can someone translate this? I don't trust any OP and some numbers there are weird. I kinda want to get what's this about.

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 19:56:54 No.103940875 Report

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>>103936156
Grim. Very, very grim.
And there is no real way to turn the situation around.
Still, they have a large warchest, they can go for a long while if they stop being retarded with money.
I predict EN Brave branches getting consolidated in a near future.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 20:02:30 No.103940988 Report

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>>103936300
That is more that the money that VShojo secured as funds from VC

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 20:03:38 No.103941011 Report

Quoted By: >>103941429 >>103942905

>>103940846
You can use google translate. Not 100% accurate but you already can have an idea.

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 20:11:35 No.103941205 Report

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>>103940988
They do have revenue at least, which VShojo never did because of their retarded contracts and incompetence with merch. VSPO alone probably make way more than VShojo.

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 20:19:44 No.103941429 Report

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>>103941011
That net loss is dragging them down. Investors are probably seeing a big red flag there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 21:17:53 No.103942905 Report

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>>103941011
Wait, 2020? 2024?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 21:20:31 No.103942973 Report

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>>103942905
2020 is the year Unlimited Inc changed to Brave Group.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 21:31:50 No.103943297 Report

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>>103936156
Why do these companies keep hiring Lisa? They should know that sheep is cursed by now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 21:36:58 No.103943444 Report

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>>103943297
I'm happy as long as whatever corpo she's in acts like a lightning rod so she can collab with Eva without consequences for the blue oni

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 21:55:16 No.103943911 Report

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>>103942973
>>103942905
it's google translate messing up Japanese eras, the Japanese says "27th August, 7th year of Reiwa" but somehow it's turning that into 2020 (2nd Reiwa)
Actually, it seems to turn every Reiwa year into 2020 except for 3rd Reiwa which translates into 2021. Probably a function of the training data, you sometimes see a similar thing happen if a 2025 gets written as "25年" Google Translate assumes that's Heisei Year 25 and translates it to 2013

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 21:57:22 No.103943954 Report

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>>103943297
All I hope is Poko can escape Brave with her model.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 22:06:23 No.103944138 Report

Quoted By: >>103944216

>>103936156
They have too many companies. When is Brave Group going to consolidate them already. VSPO, Stellive, probably V4M are the only one have to stay. They also own those JP twins too, right? they can stay. other than that close everything else down

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 22:09:18 No.103944216 Report

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>>103944138
>probably V4M
lmao no
they make no money
the entire EN divison needs to have have the plug pulled on it there is no reason for it to exist

the only way Brave will make money on V4m, Idol, Globie is if they make the talents buy their models.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 22:40:58 No.103945102 Report

Quoted By: >>103945425 >>103946030

>>103936156
Brave is not just a vtuber only group, they have several other companies under their name, including an anime studio. The vtuber side has always been a money sink, and they've been losing money in that area for years.
The thing is that they've consistently managed to acquire new funds from investors, which is why they've been able to make all those aggressive acquisitions over the past two years.

Brave is like this, lose money > get money from fatcats > buy or create new vtuber groups > lose money > get money from fatcats... rinse and repeat. And well, for better or worse it worked in a way, since they at least secured three golden goose (vspo, neoporte and himehina)

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 22:53:44 No.103945425 Report

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>>103945102
at a certain point they ought to worry about the yakuza come knocking instead of keeping a hopeless vanity side project alive

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Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 23:17:02 No.103946030 Report

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>>103945102
>get money from fatcats
Brave Group’s last public funding was back in April 2024. Since then, there hasn’t been any news about them securing more funding.
https://bravegroup.co.jp/news/5820/
If you look at their 2023 financial statements, check the second row on the right labeled 固定負債 (“fixed liabilities”). That number jumped massively within just a year. Fixed liabilities are basically stuff you need to pay back in more than a year, so this big increase probably means they’ve taken on extra loans to keep things running or fund expansion, which lines up with their disclaimer in the link above.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 23:18:49 No.103946069 Report

Quoted By: >>103946247 >>103946412 >>103951188

How does one even lose money with vtubing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 23:25:12 No.103946247 Report

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>>103946069
Personnel cost and anything special you do isn't free. If you don't get enough money coming in to offset that, you operate at a loss.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 23:30:39 No.103946412 Report

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>>103946069
when you spend 10s of thousands on sub bots and a bunch of 3d concerts, it adds up

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 23:42:34 No.103946754 Report

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>>103936156
wow who could have guessed

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 23:45:05 No.103946832 Report

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>>103946030
So they're taking out loans because no VCs are interested in buying more of their stock? That's worse.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 27 Aug 2025 23:57:37 No.103947194 Report

Quoted By: >>103947592 >>103948429

>>103946832
They have already gotten Series D funding. It is already rare for a company to reach this stage. They should have gotten the signals to gor for an IPO or get acquired by another company so I can see why they can't get more VC funding.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 00:10:06 No.103947592 Report

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>>103947194
Wtf are you talking about? Series D?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 00:15:01 No.103947733 Report

Quoted By: >>103948391

>>103947592
Start-ups and companies receive different amounts of money at different times. A,B,C, etc. in that order.
Companies often go public or get bought by a bigger one by around their third round of funding.
If for example Brave Group went for a fourth round is either because they have very ambitious projects and need more money or they are bleeding from bad management.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 00:36:25 No.103948391 Report

Quoted By: >>103948429

>>103947733
You typically can't scrape by with Series D funding if your business is a fraud or unstable. The farthest one I know of that got Series D was Wework but it was bankrolled by the richest company in Japan, Softbank. And typically anyways, most companies usually as >>103947733 said only really need 3 rounds of funding. D is pretty uncommon and beyond that even more uncommon still. Usually this means they are readying for an IPO or they need more money to get on that path but the end goal is that so all the earlier round investors can reap returns on their money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 00:37:25 No.103948429 Report

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>>103948391
Meant to quote >>103947194.

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Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 01:56:56 No.103951115 Report

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>>103936323
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GUNRUN DONT LOOK

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Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 01:58:42 No.103951188 Report

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>>103946069
The same way people lose money streaming, or making music, or trying to break into Hollywood. They only look at the top 0.01% and ignore the legions of poverty ridden wagies beneath them

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 02:07:53 No.103951534 Report

Quoted By: >>103951749 >>103951848

>>103936156
Aren't they more of a holdings group? If VSPO Neo-Porte Stellive HIMEHIMA V4Miral and ChromaShift continue to do well soon...they might make it. They've been operating under a loss for a few years now so the clock's ticking.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 02:14:17 No.103951749 Report

Quoted By: >>103953902

>>103951534
The problem is that their losses has basically been doubling every fiscal year. Brave has no home grown success, they bought their way into success but they can't find any other group to buy out that will make them money.
I predict that in a couple years they'll finally collapse due to investors losing faith in them completely and running out of the VC funds that were keeping them afloat.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 02:16:43 No.103951848 Report

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>>103951534
>continue to do well
they would have to start doing well to begin with

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 03:18:07 No.103953902 Report

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>>103951749
I unironically believe Brave would buy out VShojo if they hadn't imploded. Mousey and kson could simply leave the company quietly and while the fans may not like it, at least their inner secrets are safe and they could bait Brave group into buying their dead company. But thanks to Mousey, VShojo has become such a huge liability that no sane company would buy toxic assets

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Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 04:52:36 No.103956688 Report

Quoted By: >>103956942 >>103959475

>>103936156
>brave is going to implode before phase does
How the fuck

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 05:01:57 No.103956942 Report

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>>103956688
>lost
i dont see how this could be surprising to anyone. Phases only claim is being stable.
that said the amount of merch Phase releases is pretty crazy, but it must be making money if they keep doing it and producers keep doing business with them (though it probably helps i think most of their merch isnt made til after purchase, outside the obvious con stuff)

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 05:35:59 No.103957710 Report

Quoted By: >>103957746 >>103957766

>>103956942
>the amount of merch Phase releases is pretty crazy
Merch is a bad business to be in right now with tariff being the most beautiful word in the English language.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 05:37:57 No.103957746 Report

Quoted By: >>103957800

>>103957710
Only if the merch comes from outside USA, but I agree that it is currently facing bad conditions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 05:38:19 No.103957754 Report

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>>103940463
But this is not about you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 05:39:04 No.103957766 Report

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>>103957710
not too much to say without knowing phases inner workings, only they dont seem to be changing merch release policy so they must have found something they're ok with despite the tariffs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 05:40:56 No.103957800 Report

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>>103957746
Nobody makes merch in USA outside of hand crafted Etsy stuff. There's a reason all that stuff got outsourced bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 07:02:14 No.103959229 Report

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>>103936156
For reference, that's more money lost in a single year than cover has recieved in VC funding, ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 28 Aug 2025 07:18:18 No.103959475 Report

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>>103956688
Lucock.

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