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Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 09:29:33 No.107251656 View View Reply Original Report

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It's been downhill for Hololive ever since she left

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Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 09:31:05 No.107251710 Report

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>>107251656
sorry wrong image

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 09:32:02 No.107251735 Report

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>>107251656
It started to go to shit in 2022 which coincidentally is when Cover went public.

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Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 09:33:25 No.107251774 Report

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>>107251710
sorry wrong image

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Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 09:33:44 No.107251785 Report

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>>107251656
She told us flat-out that the magic at Hololive is dead, but the cultists on this board choose to believe it's still some kind of paradise.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 09:34:53 No.107251818 Report

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>>107251656
Earlier than that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 09:35:06 No.107251825 Report

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>>107251785
NO NO DADDY SAID HOLOLIVE IS A HECKING FAMILY AND EVERYTHING IS FINE THEY'RE WORKING ON FIXING THEIR TREATMENT OKAY

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 09:38:51 No.107251925 Report

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>>107251785
not just that but her position even as a core founder was being politically pushed aside because you have this situation of all these other managers wanting more sway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 10:05:53 No.107252555 Report

Quoted By: >>107252747

It's been downhill for Hololive ever since investors reminded Yagoo he needs to run his side gig as a business, too. You can't run a large business on vibes and dreams, and running it properly is not a great environment for creatives.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 10:14:55 No.107252747 Report

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>>107252555
Blackrock ruined everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 10:23:20 No.107252904 Report

Quoted By: >>107268250 >>107272713

>>107251656
It was over the moment you alienate talents like Fauna and Aqua. As much as Fauna was a grifter, she knew the game and she was the epitome of professionalism. Aqua was a prime idol. What the fuck are you doing if your talents think they can get a better life outside your corpo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 10:27:41 No.107252989 Report

Quoted By: >>107253606 >>107253651 >>107260941

>>107251785
she was a director anon, she was directly responsible for those politics she bitches about as if she was just a small fly

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 10:57:20 No.107253606 Report

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>>107252989
... Beholden to shareholders.
Don't be disingenuous.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 10:59:10 No.107253651 Report

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>>107252989
she was responsible for it UNTIL they went public, now its all investors making the decisions.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 11:38:20 No.107254520 Report

Quoted By: >>107254769

>>107253606
>>107253651
Nah, if anything the shareholders now have less of a voice. Now they just "hold shares" instead of being investors. Turns out "holding shares" is not magic, if you can't get a majority to back your vision the only thing they allow you to do is sell.

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Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 11:39:41 No.107254551 Report

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>>107251785

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Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 11:50:08 No.107254769 Report

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>>107254520
>if anything the shareholders now have less of a voice
You are literally not allowed to not have an opinion about the company when you're a shareholder
You are required to attend shareholder meetings if you own a sizable share

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 11:53:36 No.107254850 Report

Quoted By: >>107254985

I look at that Senzawa image and yeah, you can only worship a company for so long until you realize that its making even their best talents to leave. Including the ones that been there for a long time. From Queens to Angels, I don't understand why Cover cannot improve itself.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 11:54:18 No.107254868 Report

Quoted By: >>107263310

>>107251656
Bro it's being going downhill since holoEN became a thing

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 11:59:30 No.107254985 Report

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>>107254850
because they went public lol, improve lmao even

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 13:44:16 No.107257178 Report

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>>107253606
if shareholders had any power they would have been paying themselves millions of dividends by now lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 14:02:20 No.107257510 Report

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>>107257178
But they are trying too. Have you not noticed how much everything sucked nowadays? Literally everything.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 15:55:44 No.107259837 Report

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technically it's been downhill since ame left

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 16:07:23 No.107260068 Report

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>>107251656
wrong image

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 16:41:34 No.107260941 Report

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>>107252989
“Directly responsible”? Lmao. If you’d ever help build a company from the ground up you’d know how retarded that assumption is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 16:47:07 No.107261089 Report

Quoted By: >>107272761

>>107260068
The rot really started with the endless EN expansions, but you’re both right. A-chan and Mel represented a kind of grassroots passion and era of Japanese entertainment that anglos and global markets are determined to push aside. I know the Mel thing was a fuckup, but nonetheless the both of them leaving was a big sign that Hololive was getting hollowed out and becoming another skinsuit for retarded executives to wear.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 16:49:09 No.107261143 Report

Quoted By: >>107267717

>>107251785
The feel of scrappy individuals pumping out great streams and cute songs with a little bit of dancing is gone
The era of ADS and missing streamers for a project once every couple of months is here.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 18:14:01 No.107263303 Report

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>>107251656

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Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 18:14:14 No.107263310 Report

Quoted By: >>107270322 >>107274007

>>107254868
the world has gone downhill since america became a thing we should cancel that branch of the world and roll it back

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 18:21:45 No.107263506 Report

Quoted By: >>107263581

Another thread where people don't know how startup companies work

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 18:24:17 No.107263581 Report

Quoted By: >>107263636

>>107263506
What's there to know? They start up, then they either die or go big and turn to shit. No good endings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 18:26:02 No.107263636 Report

Quoted By: >>107263734

>>107263581
Anon we've been over this
Dodge vs Ford doesn't exist in Japan, Blackrock owned 0.1% of their stock for like 15 months and sold, seed investors needed to be paid off with public investor money. Please get a new narrative.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 18:29:59 No.107263734 Report

Quoted By: >>107268711

>>107263636
What? I don't give a fuck about investor bullshit. That's just how things go, empirical evidence. Nothing stays good forever, or even for a decent period. Live long enough and you'll see.

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Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 19:06:56 No.107264773 Report

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>>107251656
HoloX ruined Hololive. Matsuri was right.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 19:24:08 No.107265211 Report

Quoted By: >>107275145

>>107264773
Matsuri?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 19:26:30 No.107265265 Report

Quoted By: >>107275145

>>107264773
HoloX?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 19:38:39 No.107265572 Report

Quoted By: >>107275145

>>107264773
Hololive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 19:43:17 No.107265697 Report

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>>107251656
You mean since Ame left

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 19:44:50 No.107265738 Report

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>>107260068
This is why I can't respect the Japanese.
I guarantee you they didn't have to fire her. But Japanese have no backbone and can't be flexible so they fired her.

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Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 19:46:07 No.107265780 Report

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>>107251656
wrong image

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Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 19:48:17 No.107265841 Report

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>>107265738
>have no backbone and can't be flexible
so which one is it?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 20:38:13 No.107267424 Report

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>>107264773
TRVTHNVKE

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 20:43:48 No.107267601 Report

Quoted By: >>107268060

>>107251656
Hololive fucked up by putting the onus of generating revenue on the girls. People just want to watch girls having stupid fun. Contractual obligations and forced scheduling sucks the fun out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 20:47:53 No.107267717 Report

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>>107261143
>The feel of scrappy individuals pumping out great streams and cute songs with a little bit of dancing is gone
Nijisanji is still here though.

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Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 20:51:47 No.107267830 Report

Quoted By: >>107268005 >>107275905

>>107251656
It's been downhill since nijiniggers won by harassing a Holo and creating a situation bad enough for her that she asked to graduation

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 20:57:57 No.107268005 Report

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>>107267830
>somehow nijisanji has something to do with this
lmao bro

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 20:59:45 No.107268060 Report

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>>107267601
Remember when Haachama got banned from hanging out with EN?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 21:06:21 No.107268250 Report

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>>107252904
It's the corporate bureaucracy (which btw keeps growing year by year). You either know how to grease the wheels or you don't. Anyone who's worked a job in a decently sized company has seen this - it's not a meritocracy, it's who you know with management or team leads. Also if you can't speak the language of the home office you're doubly disadvantaged.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 21:17:51 No.107268563 Report

Quoted By: >>107268750

>>107251656
This was when members started to say that Hololive is not like it was before. Many agree with the change. Hololive's new direction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 21:23:17 No.107268711 Report

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>>107263734
That's a fine retarded take to pretend to have but everyone who complains about graduations simultaneously says Cover should have never hired these people in the first place because the "good Hololive" was before they were hired. Hololive wasn't good and then got worse, it has continued getting better and people pretend the good times were this time they weren't even a part of or that they were bitching about at the time as terrible.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 21:24:36 No.107268750 Report

Quoted By: >>107269095

>>107268563
The same people who tried to farm A-chan as evidence of a change in direction also tried to farm Nodoka who was part of the new direction. Like make up your goddamn narrative.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 21:36:10 No.107269095 Report

Quoted By: >>107272580

>>107268750
You don't need to farm anyone. Plenty of Holos have talked about the company's change in culture.

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Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 22:20:40 No.107270322 Report

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>>107263310
Trvth nvke

Anonymous

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Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 22:26:37 No.107270468 Report

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>>107251656
Fubuki: "negligible"

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 23:20:17 No.107271997 Report

Quoted By: >>107272740

>>107251656
Nah it started way earlier. Imo it started when the pandemic was over and Cover started pushing concerts and focused more on publishing songs instead of the girls doing what theys enjoy most. Iam also pretty sure thats why ame, gura, fauna and mumei left, because all of them were overwhelmed with all the studio sessions and deadlines. Ecxept for Mumei, who left because her voice was literally dying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 23:38:25 No.107272580 Report

Quoted By: >>107272801

>>107269095
Yeah, and those talents were talking about how creating things like HoloEN ruined Hololive. They weren't saying the "good old days" were the days you think are the good old days. And several graduates are explicitly not even from any good old days by any definition, they were the new direction. Some of the most-liked Holos would not even be there in the fake good old days any random anti wants to go back to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 23:41:57 No.107272713 Report

Quoted By: >>107273420

>>107252904
What could they even do for someone who hated travelling and wanted to focus on starting a family?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 23:42:43 No.107272740 Report

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>>107271997
HoloEN is not part of Hololive and their problems are completely different. Realistically they should never have been hired or created until much later because it created the backlog and false impressions that caused all its early problems. They were born to fail.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 23:43:28 No.107272761 Report

Quoted By: >>107272855

>>107261089
>The rot really started with the endless EN expansions
Wtf are you talking about you ken-sama fuck?
There's like an new EN gen on over about 1.5 years in comparison JP getting expanded multiple times in one year

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 23:44:30 No.107272801 Report

Quoted By: >>107272926

>>107272580
That's not what I'm talking about at all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 23:46:00 No.107272855 Report

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>>107272761
He has to be including all the EN boys too because that was a big part of the animosity people had for Hololive at the time. Of course, A-chan was leading the charge on shit like that and wanted full international coed unity Hololive.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Dec 2025 23:48:22 No.107272926 Report

Quoted By: >>107273562

>>107272801
Then you're lying. If you're not talking about the people who complained about Hololive changing over the years and just nebulously talking about how everyone has commented on the changes, most of them talk positively of the changes. That's why they are there still. Most of the negative talk comes from fans and talents with rose-tinted glasses who misrepresent the past like forgetting how you used to have to go through walls of managers to talk to other Holos or you were isolated with collab bans when you were at your most vulnerable.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 00:02:48 No.107273420 Report

Quoted By: >>107274085

>>107272713
idk maybe just let her stream

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 00:02:50 No.107273422 Report

Quoted By: >>107276996

>>107251656
anon you are a literal retard if you buy into her shit. fucking director of the company trying to play the poor small guy meme

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 00:06:41 No.107273562 Report

Quoted By: >>107277530

>>107272926
I'm not talking about fans. You can find tons of current Holos who talk about the culture changing, it's not difficult. And honestly anon, how could it not. It started as Sora and A-Chan's side project, Cover was mostly just supplying tech. They didn't even see the potential of Hololive until Sora replaced Siro for her Xmas stream. Obviously it won't be the same feeling.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 00:17:57 No.107274007 Report

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>>107263310
This planet started going downhill the moment the first primates started swinging from the first trees.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 00:19:43 No.107274085 Report

Quoted By: >>107274167 >>107274310

>>107273420
>let her stream
Ogey, you're the head manager of HoloEN
How do you plan on explaining to your fanbase of people who grown accustom to members singing on dance on stage on why one of your members is seemingly always absence from such events?
How do you plan on explaining when multiple other members are flying across the world to hang out and engage in camaraderie why one girl is seeming always excluded from that?
How do you plan explaining her stream output becoming spotty and less frequent when she inevitably gets pregnant and has to start spending time raising her child?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 00:20:49 No.107274124 Report

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>>107251656
Who is this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 00:22:13 No.107274167 Report

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>>107274085
By playing league.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 00:25:43 No.107274310 Report

Quoted By: >>107275249

>>107274085

Easy, Fauna doesn't do idolsht
Problem solved.
Spotty streams????? so like all of hololive when they can't stream because of the idolshit?

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 00:49:00 No.107275145 Report

Quoted By: >>107275648

>>107265211
>>107265265
>>107265572

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 00:52:22 No.107275249 Report

Quoted By: >>107275329 >>107275375

>>107274310
>>Fauna doesn't do idolsht
>"Why doesn't she? Everyone else does so why, does she even belong in this company? Haacham even cameback from being hospitalized to be in FES, what's Fauna's excuse?"
How do you answer this?
>so like all of hololive when they can't stream because of the idolshit?
You said it yourself "because of the idolshit" if Fauna's not involved in "idolshit" what would be her excuse for declining stream hours?
Mind you Fauna stream about 3-4 times a week for 3-4 hours on average, for reference Gura at her PEAK didn't stream anywhere near as much as that but fans STILL noticed when starting to got on mini-hiatuses, are you just gonna awkwardly dance around that?
The more this shit starts to pile up, the more you realize way it was best for Cover and Fauna to just part ways

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 00:54:56 No.107275329 Report

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>>107275249
pls leave holopro manager.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 00:56:31 No.107275375 Report

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>>107275249
NTA, obviously you create a new streaming focused company or branch or affiliate, and graduate those talents into it. Problems have solutions. For example, if you don't like being wrong on the internet, you can simply make things up for hours until the other person gets bored and leaves. Voila. Be more creative.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 00:58:09 No.107275424 Report

Quoted By: >>107275951 >>107277216

I remember Fubuki and Miko were the only ones willing to stream with Coco during the height of the China drama, why does Fubuki get memed as a shill?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 01:04:39 No.107275648 Report

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>>107275145
Snake?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 01:06:46 No.107275706 Report

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>>107253651
>steer company into spot where it is bankruptcy or VC funding
>blame VC for ruining everything
Also feel free to look up actual share distributions. Sure investors tend to make it worse, but you are absolutely delusional if you believe any big decision happens without agreement from bigman tanigo

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 01:10:35 No.107275825 Report

Quoted By: >>107277233

everything was uphill until the holocaust. since then it's been a mixed bag more or less.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 01:12:57 No.107275905 Report

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>>107267830
Backflip-sama returning as Delutaya seemed to have been an all around upgrade though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 01:14:33 No.107275951 Report

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>>107275424
Didn't she say some shit like "I'll tell you/leave if things here get bad, so as long as I'm here and happy don't worry!" or something to that effect? I'd assume it's because of that, unless I'm misremembering and someone else said it, like Korone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 01:16:06 No.107276006 Report

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>>107260068
>no more capucapus
>holotards bullied Kotoka and were a reason for her graduation as well
Fucking hate vtuber fans and companies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 01:46:51 No.107276996 Report

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>>107273422
>trying to play the poor small guy meme
She never did this, you're also a retard for buying into schizo bullshit, both of you or most people here are too newfag to talk about Eugene

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 01:54:19 No.107277216 Report

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>>107275424
That's exactly why. People hate Hololive and Fubuki stands behind Hololive, therefore Fubuki is evil. If you're not graduating, you're evil. Until you graduate, in which case you were always one of the good ones.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 01:54:48 No.107277233 Report

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>>107275825
>everything was uphill until the holocaust
I always forget that this was an actual term you retards to unironically run with.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 02:02:05 No.107277433 Report

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>>107251656
its been downhill since they spent 20 million on the studio
https://note.cover-corp.com/n/nefc047ddc6ee

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 02:04:59 No.107277530 Report

Quoted By: >>107278851

>>107273562
Nobody said you were talking about fans. But you are either an idiot or lying. You have switched to the idea Cover changed direction to "well of course they are a different culture from when they were two people". That's what I said first. That when graduates like Shion or Aqua leave, the days they are remembering are the pre-HoloEN days. Which is not a change in direction, it's a change in growth. They went from being the main characters in a dysfunctional underdog start-up to the backbenchers working for the massive company. The change in direction for HoloEN was famously a very positive one, the graduates from the JP side are either people from the really old days who just miss things being low-stakes or people who were already hired as part of the "new direction" (Chloe, Nodoka, Ao). Kanata is actually the first graduation since Rushia/Coco to fall in the range of not having been there since the early days but being there to witness a "direction change" and none of her problems had to do with a direction change. Her biggest dreams were only just accomplishable this year. If there was a direction change, it benefitted her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 02:38:23 No.107278579 Report

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>>107251774
Shionve sama... why did you have to leave us...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 02:43:27 No.107278733 Report

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>>107260068
>Incredibly rapeable
I wish I met Mel so I could rate her rapeability.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 02:47:03 No.107278851 Report

Quoted By: >>107279199

>>107277530
>You have switched to the idea Cover changed direction to "well of course they are a different culture from when they were two people".
Anon, I was trying to make this as simple as possible for you to understand, because there is a non-zero possibility that you are an unironic retard. But because you have clearly decided to invest your ego in proving me wrong, you can hear it from Towa instead. Go argue with her, not me. Thanks for playing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73C-pjnwL28

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Dec 2025 02:58:10 No.107279199 Report

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>>107278851
Again, you're proving my point and have completely forgotten yours. Setting aside that clip is from way before even Aqua graduated. Nobody thinks Coco would work today. But Coco's Golden Age was what led to the all the stuff that is supposedly bad. You can't disconnect the two. You want to appeal to an era as the good times but you want to conflate it with the bad times that you like.

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