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Haachama Appreciation Thread

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 21:32:29 No.1169154 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>1169617 >>1169915 >>1170330 >>1170601 >>1176078 >>1176163 >>1184745 >>1187010 >>1200142 >>1201280

Enough hate and rrat posting, let's discuss the similarities of her lore, the classical music she used, & how she pushed the envelope to expand her lore.

I'll start with pic related
her comparison with Ivan the terrible painting is genius when she initially started the lore so the viewers quickly understood who is supposed to be "seiso" & who as "crazy".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_the_Terrible_and_His_Son_Ivan

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 21:36:53 No.1169231 Report

Quoted By: >>1169649

It was all in Haato's crazy head.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 21:49:14 No.1169514 Report

Quoted By: >>1169570 >>1169751

I love her liberal use of BGMs and switching them up during the stream depending on context for added atmosphere/effect.
Wish other holos would do that as well instead of having a single melody on loop.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 21:51:23 No.1169570 Report

Quoted By: >>1169633

I genuinely hope this isn't the end of her. Her horror arc was thoroughly enjoyable and I'd really miss her cooking streams if she was to retire. But her humor is cool too and as anon said >>1169514
so is her use of classical music

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 21:53:04 No.1169617 Report

Quoted By: >>1169706

>>1169154
I liked her level of fan engagement. She did a really great job of including fan works in her videos, even putting in an original song someone made. Also her editing skills are great and I really enjoy her song covers

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 21:53:37 No.1169633 Report

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>>1169570
it was

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 21:54:19 No.1169649 Report

Quoted By: >>1170398 >>1170468 >>1201280

>>1169231
and what beautiful craziness it was

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 21:56:39 No.1169706 Report

Quoted By: >>1169775 >>1169887 >>1169995 >>1170541

>>1169617
Do the idols actually edit their own videos?
If so I'd be even more impressed cause her content, even her short shitpost videos, are great

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 21:58:06 No.1169751 Report

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>>1169514
They would probably have to pay out of pocket for each.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 21:58:47 No.1169775 Report

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>>1169706
I don’t know about the others but I’m pretty sure Haachama throws her own stuff together

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:02:31 No.1169887 Report

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>>1169706
Yes, they have to do all of the work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:02:55 No.1169902 Report

Quoted By: >>1170295

Found from the other thread but:

Haato/Haachama story arc probably wasn't just theatrics but was also an allegory to her current grappling of life.

Haato represents the quiet and happy, but hopelessly naive girl that she was back in 2019. Haachama represents the broken girl that she was in 2020 with her entire life turning upside down IRL and the aforementioned struggles she faced. She can't turn back to being Haato anymore (the naivety was "killed against her own wishes") but can't stay as Haachama either for her own mental wellbeing. Now that she is back in Japan, she wants to find a way to make amends, give closure to both these chapters of her life, and move forward to be a mix of both at the same time -- in other words, to "coexist" as both Haato and Haachama. To learn her lessons but still remain to live life happy.

The story arc was a way she could interpret her struggles and the only outlet she had against the cruel realities she faced in the real world.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:03:34 No.1169915 Report

Quoted By: >>1169963 >>1169965 >>1170112

>>1169154
Who else can i watch now until Chama comes back?
>Suisei
>Nano
Fuck, i put away all stuff today for 3/3 kino but it was way too low.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:04:53 No.1169963 Report

Quoted By: >>1170206

>>1169915
I checked out of work early today because of the news. No way can I possibly get work done after hearing about it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:04:54 No.1169965 Report

Quoted By: >>1170206

>>1169915
>Who else can i watch now until Chama comes back?

This twist literally killed any buzz I had for any other vtuber too. Leaves a genuinely sour taste in my mouth knowing that there's some power grabbing management shenanigans going on and that the others are likely subject to it as well.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:05:59 No.1169995 Report

Quoted By: >>1170039

>>1169706
>Do the idols actually edit their own videos?
she does it on her own imo

https://twitter.com/popotocurry/status/1359505322725941249?s=20

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:07:21 No.1170039 Report

Quoted By: >>1170079

>>1169995
How can such a content powerhouse have such a (seemingly) low standing at cover?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:08:50 No.1170079 Report

Quoted By: >>1170269

>>1170039
Because she's young and doesn't follow the chain of command. Exceptional talent often makes others distrustful of you.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:08:59 No.1170084 Report

Quoted By: >>1170300 >>1170422 >>1171966

Since we're lorefagging here, I'm going to repost this. Her original song has a very clear distinctive theme about accepting every part of yourself.

Hi, how are you?
Are you calling on my phone?
Baby, tell me what is wrong
Don't you ever let me go
>Haato, Haachama's seiso persona that she created, asks her true self how she's doing and tells her to keep to the seiso image for her career.

Hi, I am good
I am still looking for proof
Am I good enough for you?
Don't you tell me what's my role!
>Haachama rejects Haato

This is ME
Are you coming on the RIDE
We're going SUPER-HIGH
Got to be who what I like
>Haachama finds resolve to be true to herself.

You and me
Are you ready for the fight?
>Haachama challenges her inner anxieties in order to truly become herself.

alright, alright, alright
LET'S GO!!!

Stonger than I've ever been before
This is who I am
Nothing in the way
Today and far away
You & me
We make the part of me
>Chammers, realizing that in the end, both Haachama and Haato are what makes her HER

I give you my big RED HEART
My my big RED HEART
My my big RED HEART
I'll be true to my RED HEART
My my big RED HEART
My my big RED HEART
>Haachama saying she'll be honest with herself and everyone else from now on, meaning she'll stay true to her BIG red heart.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:10:06 No.1170112 Report

Quoted By: >>1170182 >>1170206 >>1176489

>>1169915
based on chats, I have no doubt most viewers both JOP/EOP were getting sick of long durations of similar games played by most hologirls.
they were genuinely excited & looking for something fresh, other than haachama/miko everyone was doing flavor of the month game with undertale/apex.

they're lacking content now.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:13:07 No.1170182 Report

Quoted By: >>1170516

>>1170112
It really takes zero brainpower to understand that the girls branching out and trying different things is a good thing. And in Haachama's case nobody was hurt or offended (I should hope) so there's zero reason to shut her down.
Cover should encourage creativity and individuality instead of some false sense of conformity.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:13:55 No.1170206 Report

Quoted By:

>>1169965
>>1170112
>>1169963
I hope it won't get any worse or spirals in some sort of trouble for her, and if it does that would only mean more changes in company rules for another person.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:16:41 No.1170269 Report

Quoted By: >>1170632 >>1170753 >>1171434

>>1170079
This, unfortunately. Cover does not appear to be a meritocracy, or at the very least, most idols do not have much of a say in things. Haachama going rogue and doing her own brand of content was likely frowned upon for awhile but kept afloat because it brought in numbers. Sadly, for whatever reason, they finally decided to pull the plug. Bastards could have let her at least finish the damn thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:17:38 No.1170295 Report

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>>1169902
this is something i've noticed was that with i think it was the song she made for the music video theres a part where it's like haato and chama speaking to eachother and i felt that part was representing her thoughts going thru hololive

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:17:47 No.1170300 Report

Quoted By: >>1196474

>>1170084
she definitely started to crystallize some lore arc when this song was written

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:18:54 No.1170325 Report

Quoted By: >>1170427

Not gonna lie
I'm actually genuinely worried about the girl behind Haato/Haachama and hope she's OK.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:19:02 No.1170330 Report

Quoted By: >>1170450 >>1170514

>>1169154
I love all the references to European history that she puts into her work. She really is the strongest idol.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:19:25 No.1170336 Report

Quoted By: >>1170392 >>1170493

can someone explain to me what the fuck rrat means

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:19:37 No.1170339 Report

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she's been on this since
>august 2020
which is why the "lore was for 1M" or "lore was out of her normal content" are just shitty rrats

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:21:17 No.1170392 Report

Quoted By:

>>1170336
There is one rrat that all rrats are changs or reddit tourists

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:21:36 No.1170398 Report

Quoted By: >>1170468

>>1169649
I loved the void stream. It kinda came out of nowhere and was super avant-garde and creative.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:22:06 No.1170413 Report

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some more lore content so all of it is in one thread

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:22:16 No.1170422 Report

Quoted By:

>>1170084
Hi over there
Thank you for coming along
On this journey of my own
Promise me you’ll won’t let go
>Haachama talking to Haato, saying that she appreciates what she's done for her and hoping for Haato to stay together with her

Yes, this is me
I am falling but I’m strong
Cause you got me in your arms
Don’t you ever let me go
>Haato talking about how she's slowly fading away from reality (specifically refering to the later half of 2020 where the seiso image of Haato completely disappeared and the chaotic Haachama took over) but Haachama's memories are still keeping her alive

I want you to come with me on the ride
This is going super high
I am falling from the sky
Got to be who you wanna be that’s right
>Haato/chama finally calling out to the Haatons and telling them that the right way to live is being who you want to be, even though it might end up dragging them down

I am still a girl
Figuring out what’s true or false
in this whole wide world
I’m your only girl
Tell me once more what’s really going on with you
I’m looking for the right one on the road
The one that’ll always take me back to you
This can be my home, will you be my home
>Haato/chama once again tells the Haatons that they might have a bumpy road up ahead, that there will be mistakes because she's still just a naive young girl, but she hopes that they will be here for her as home (family) no matter what happens

This is who I am
Nothing in the way
Today and far away
You & me
We make the part of me

I give you my big RED HEART
my my big RED HEART
my my big RED HEART
I’ll be true to my RED HEART
my my big RED HEART
my my big RED HEART
>Haato/chama embracing the Haatons, reassuring them for the last time that they'll always be together and nothing will stand in their way

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:22:28 No.1170427 Report

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>>1170325
She's probably fine. Likely bummed and frustrated that her content got pulled and is taking some time off to destress and plan out what to do next.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:23:18 No.1170446 Report

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and
>we
are not the only ones who appreciate her content and creativity

https://ricedigital.co.uk/haachama-hololive-lore/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:23:25 No.1170450 Report

Quoted By: >>1170616

>>1170330
I'm willing to be she has a genuine interest in european arts and culture. Otherwise she wouldn't pick them so flawlessly.

Either that, or someone picks them for her.
But considering how each girl is 99% self reliant because cover doesn't support them I think it's all her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:23:43 No.1170458 Report

Quoted By: >>1170483

>Haachama puts a lot of effort into making something weird but also entertaining, super different from any content the other hololive girls make, doing her best to make something nice for her audience
>Cover kills it
Every time this company surprises me with how absolutely garbage they are at everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:24:12 No.1170468 Report

Quoted By: >>1170550

>>1169649
>>1170398
Funny thing was that it was originally gonna be some gimmicky Getting Over It stream but her sister told her it was a boring idea. So she threw together the stream with basically no plan

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:24:39 No.1170483 Report

Quoted By: >>1170544

>>1170458
There is no room for creativity in the Japanese corporate dogma.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:25:06 No.1170493 Report

Quoted By:

>>1170336
naRRATive

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:25:50 No.1170514 Report

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>>1170330
>She really is the strongest idol.
yes, her classical music in streams is one of my favorite aspect of her

https://www.otaquest.com/rip-akai-haato-haachama-split-personality/

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:25:53 No.1170516 Report

Quoted By: >>1175926 >>1185510

>>1170182
Encouraging people to do self harm definitely offended someone.
I'm surprised that it didn't happened sooner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:26:54 No.1170541 Report

Quoted By:

>>1169706
It's their work anon.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:26:57 No.1170544 Report

Quoted By: >>1170588

>>1170483
Your seniors know best, fuck you and your opinion

Seniority is a stupid concept

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:27:15 No.1170550 Report

Quoted By: >>1170597

>>1170468
Wow her Sister really turned a stream that would of been boring into something amazing that’s pretty cool. I really enjoyed the outlast collab she did with her sister a long time ago

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:28:55 No.1170588 Report

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>>1170544
It's no surprise that Japan's population has been on decline for decades now.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:29:14 No.1170597 Report

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>>1170550
check out her lolichama vid, its a simple singing stream but she made it bretty enjoyable

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:29:24 No.1170601 Report

Quoted By:

>>1169154
God bless chamers, the queen of all us schizos

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:29:44 No.1170616 Report

Quoted By: >>1170699

>>1170450
I think someone else made that image.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:30:15 No.1170632 Report

Quoted By:

>>1170269
typical japanese corp

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:33:25 No.1170699 Report

Quoted By:

>>1170616
Sorry, don't you mean the "Schizo Queens"?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:35:25 No.1170753 Report

Quoted By: >>1170991 >>1186730

>>1170269
>for whatever reason
you mean the high risk of her channel getting terminated at any time by the incredibly stupid youtube bots, due to that no self-harming bullshit rule

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:39:14 No.1170859 Report

Quoted By:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yy_n89kAqU

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:43:50 No.1170991 Report

Quoted By: >>1201042

>>1170753
What good is hololive then if they don't have contacts at YouTube to help address misconceptions and concerns like this? She is very clearly neither harming herself nor advocating for others to harm themselves.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:49:08 No.1171162 Report

Quoted By: >>1171204 >>1171214

>yfw everyone is going to realize the importance of her variety content

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:50:47 No.1171204 Report

Quoted By:

>>1171162

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:51:07 No.1171214 Report

Quoted By:

>>1171162
>you only know what you had when it's gone

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 22:58:38 No.1171434 Report

Quoted By: >>1171748 >>1171752 >>1199145

>>1170269
isnt that common in Japan? seniority over meritocracy?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 23:07:02 No.1171748 Report

Quoted By:

>>1171434
Generally speaking yes, but it's just the way their society came to be, and it's far from great must to tell you.
>t.worked in shipping company as guard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 23:07:04 No.1171752 Report

Quoted By: >>1172279

>>1171434
It is and it's proving to be a big problem for the country, especially in terms of the shrinking population as there's less interesting opportunities for the youth to pursue. It's a complicated issue that's widespread, yet we're becoming intimate with it because it's exactly the problem in this particular case.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 23:12:41 No.1171966 Report

Quoted By: >>1172556 >>1196474

>>1170084
I really think 3/3 (two halves of 8) aka today, was supposed to be the real day of the fusion.

It's interesting that all of this was part entertainment but also part psychodrama, a theatrical manifestation of one's troubles but also the means of solving the problem.
Which means that by cover interfering and blocking the solution, it introduces a psychological failure in the process of integration of the self.

Which leads to her break post about "going on a journey to find herself", which is a second attempt on integration.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 23:19:31 No.1172188 Report

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I won't scatter your sorrow to the heartless sea. I will always be with you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 23:21:29 No.1172279 Report

Quoted By: >>1172393 >>1172516 >>1187881

>>1171752
Wasn’t this exact problem why the Fukushima disaster was so bad? Did they not learn anything?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 23:24:35 No.1172393 Report

Quoted By:

>>1172279
I actually have no idea. I hope you're not correct on that. If so, then there really wont be a solution to this until these people die out and the younger generations (whatever's left) learn better.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 23:28:04 No.1172503 Report

Quoted By:

What if it was all a collective fever dream in our heads, haatons?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 23:28:25 No.1172516 Report

Quoted By: >>1188624

>>1172279
Exactly that. There were like any 10 things they could've done that would have stopped it from happening, but one of the seniors up top decided they wanted to save some money and not do the required maintenance that year, and all the underlings said nothing so as not to make their senior look bad.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 23:29:19 No.1172556 Report

Quoted By: >>1172946 >>1176249

>>1171966
it does seem more than a simple break, doesnt it?
haachama/her base both couldnt finish this shit & get a proper conclusion so the lore can be put to peace.
if she took a month long break after whatever stream she prepared, it would've been fine. there is a need for closure now which the fans will always be searching for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 23:40:09 No.1172946 Report

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>>1172556
in terms of psychology, her whole deal can be described as an open gestalt. The objective of gestalt therapy is to close those gestalts, like you would close an incomplete circle. These things linger in your mind and cause trouble. Psychodrama, a theatralization of the issue with various imagined actors taking the different roles, is one of the ways to do so. Which incidentaly, basically was what she was doing. Cover, by interfering, is blocking haato from dealing with these issues. If I was her psychologist I'd be mad with them. Thankfully I hope the timeout she's gotten will allow her to find another wa, she's the strongest idol, after all.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Mar 2021 23:42:11 No.1173031 Report

Quoted By:

must be weird to be a lore fag when you don't even watch clips. I guess we have hololive intellectuals now eh.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 00:23:13 No.1174742 Report

Quoted By:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX85COf8808
She needs to visit the holohouse more than ever

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 01:15:43 No.1175926 Report

Quoted By:

>>1170516
She didn't tell anybody to cut their fingers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 01:22:09 No.1176078 Report

Quoted By: >>1176260

>>1169154
She deserved better than the hand she was dealt, whoever’s to blame. She’s been working her ass off all year, putting out creative content, instead of taking the safe route, and just streaming the same boring shit the rest of the idols do

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 01:25:21 No.1176163 Report

Quoted By:

>>1169154
I would go to war for Haachama

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 01:28:51 No.1176249 Report

Quoted By:

>>1172556
it also sucks knowing whatever version of the finale we do get is going to be a watered down corporate product

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 01:29:31 No.1176260 Report

Quoted By: >>1186894

>>1176078
Yep. This was done quite simply to send a message to all idols present and future; do not deviate from the formula.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 01:38:38 No.1176489 Report

Quoted By: >>1176818

>>1170112
Noel started a Nioh playthrough recently but it'll take her a long time to finish because Noel spaces out her games and is playing DQ11 at the same time.
Pekora's been playing DQ11 and pretty much ignoring minecraft.
Subaru has been doing Granblue Fantasy streams that are pretty popular if you like the game.
Luna played some mecha game a couple days ago and did an Uno collab with other girls yesterday/this morning.
They play a decent amount of variety content that isn't just meme games like fall guys/among us if you just bother to look and watch more than the same 3-4 girls every day.

Not saying you're wrong that chama has the most variety content and the most interesting content but there's other girls out there too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 01:51:32 No.1176818 Report

Quoted By: >>1179537

>>1176489
I agree but this is now. Think back to pekora playing undertale, most of them were playing undertale & others had singing/zatsudan streams while the remaining were on apex. At that time, only haachama/miko had content other than the above. I remember it clearly because we discussed it in chama threads last few months on who were not playing undertale/apex.
pekora/korone are my goto though.

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Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 02:15:39 No.1177460 Report

Quoted By: >>1199637 >>1202413

It shocks me how she did this arc coming out of high school and may have been planned during. This 18-19 year old made this entire Psychological Horror Story arc and had basically everyone including her fellow talents at the edge of their seat. Watching this gave me a really blunt reminder that VTubing is not just gaming/Zatsudans. This girl is straight up talented.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 02:23:46 No.1177686 Report

Quoted By: >>1179055

why are you all acting like they've been playing undertale for months on end

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Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 02:28:16 No.1177795 Report

Quoted By:

What if she made the call herself?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 02:32:47 No.1177933 Report

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She's gone...

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Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 02:42:25 No.1178224 Report

Quoted By: >>1178278 >>1178601 >>1179083 >>1179370 >>1180013 >>1186689 >>1186965 >>1191765 >>1200050

When you lads at rn? Just hit four and legit feel the tears welling up. I miss her so bad already and it hasn't even been a full day.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 02:44:25 No.1178278 Report

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>>1178224
Still at anger, really. Hopped of denial quick because I was not at all surprised ultimately Cover would pull something like this, and I'm mostly just mad now. Will probably skip bargaining into depression after a few days with no word from her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 02:56:37 No.1178601 Report

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>>1178224
Some oscillation between depression and acceptance. If she is actually done with Cover or Vtubing as a whole, I only hope that she is happy and successful no matter what she wants to do. If she does do something else online media related then I hope I can find it and support her in some way because I love her content and it helps bring joy into my life.
I hope whatever decision she makes ends with her being happy. I would feel horrible if her situation at Cover is irreconcilable for her, but she still sticks around because she doesn't want to give up the $. That's not a situation I want anyone to be in long term because it feels awful and grinds on you even in jobs that noone knows about, let alone one where you haves large #'s of people watching you

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 03:11:56 No.1179055 Report

Quoted By:

>>1177686
Because they have. Maybe not all the same streamer but Undertale has been something multiple of them have done since 2019

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 03:12:59 No.1179083 Report

Quoted By:

>>1178224
Bargaining IE Coping like a motherfucker
>Maybe she'll come back and her content will be just as whacky as it was when she left but in a different direction

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 03:21:04 No.1179370 Report

Quoted By:

>>1178224
Anger fuck cover and their shitty management

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 03:25:44 No.1179537 Report

Quoted By:

>>1176818
APEX is unavoidable due to it being hot in Japan currently. Vtubers/non-vtubers/utaite/almost anyone streaming games has to play it. Its like fucking League in KR.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 03:43:06 No.1180013 Report

Quoted By:

>>1178224
If they made Haachama cry I will personally sign a pact with the devil to inflict hemorrhoids on all responsible and every member of youtubes upper management

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 03:53:18 No.1180273 Report

Quoted By: >>1180447 >>1188686 >>1189011

I started watching Holoen out of curiosity and I kinda enjoyed at first but then it became really boring, I also tried the other japanese holos but they were all the same kind of boring. That's when I found haachama's channel and her memes. Haachama is the only one I still watch because of her crazy ideas. It really sucks that she got cancelled by her managers or whatever.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 03:55:51 No.1180336 Report

Quoted By: >>1180395 >>1180447

It surprises me that people want to be apart of Hololive when stuff like this happens. Do people not value having creative freedom?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 03:57:48 No.1180395 Report

Quoted By: >>1180425

>>1180336
>grinding out an audience from scrap
vs
>getting hundreds of thousands of free subs day one
people will sell their souls for less.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 03:58:49 No.1180425 Report

Quoted By:

>>1180395
*scratch

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 03:59:36 No.1180447 Report

Quoted By: >>1180642

>>1180273
I miss pre-2020 and early 2020 Haato. I'm glad you like the newer content but I want more of the past.
>>1180336
>Do people not value having creative freedom?
Not when it doesn't bring in money.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 04:04:53 No.1180642 Report

Quoted By: >>1199589

>>1180447
If you're gonna numberfag then prove pre 2020 haato made more money than post. View counts, subs etc skyrocketed during the covid era.this last two months alone saw a near 140k increase in subs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 05:13:06 No.1184337 Report

Quoted By:

It's probably a good idea to start archiving everything

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 05:21:28 No.1184745 Report

Quoted By: >>1185149 >>1185267

>>1169154
I'm so fucking depressed about what happened today I think it's putting me off of vtubers in general. I hope I can enjoy other girls' content again soon, but anytime I remember Haachama I'll just get sad.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 05:27:54 No.1185149 Report

Quoted By: >>1185348

>>1184745
I'm just going to stick to indies for awhile. They can't hurt me the same way

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 05:29:42 No.1185267 Report

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>>1184745
Same feelings I had when she and Coco got suspended, but at least with this it's not a matter of international business. No idea if this feeling will dissipate once she goes back to streaming.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 05:31:17 No.1185348 Report

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>>1185149
>inb4 roommate and twitter drama comes to the indies we follow

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 05:35:20 No.1185510 Report

Quoted By: >>1186517 >>1186677 >>1192122

>>1170516
It's fine when Korone does it though. You're a clown if you think Chama's streams were 'encouraging' people to An Hero.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:05:13 No.1186517 Report

Quoted By: >>1186654

>>1185510
Korone is allowed to do anything, even say Taiwan.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:09:33 No.1186654 Report

Quoted By:

>>1186517
Korone's far too powerful, I must make a rrat out of this

>hag dog is yagoo's wife

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:10:09 No.1186677 Report

Quoted By: >>1186696 >>1186737 >>1186740 >>1186774

>>1185510
How are Korone's dumb drawings anywhere close to what Chama has done?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:10:33 No.1186689 Report

Quoted By:

>>1178224
Still somewhere between Anger and Bargaining.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:10:57 No.1186696 Report

Quoted By: >>1186735

>>1186677
How is it any different?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:12:11 No.1186730 Report

Quoted By:

>>1170753
retard, if youtube wanted to bonk haachama channel they would do it for hundreds times but they dont, most of her contents are questionable even before this horror things

AND the lore actually just need ONE last video, what harm could it bring? they can just delete/private everything after this and no one would complained but they pull dirty move

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:12:17 No.1186735 Report

Quoted By: >>1186765 >>1199192

>>1186696
>Korone draws for the lol
>Haachama is almost hinting that she's suffering on the roomate's side

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:12:18 No.1186737 Report

Quoted By:

>>1186677
>Cut off her head
>Cut off viewers fingers
Well?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:12:30 No.1186740 Report

Quoted By: >>1186875

>>1186677
>Tells people to cut their fingers off and give it to her.
That’s on the same tier as what Haachama does.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:13:19 No.1186765 Report

Quoted By:

>>1186735
Take your medication you're hallucinating.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:13:28 No.1186774 Report

Quoted By: >>1186977

>>1186677
It depicts abuse and violence isn't it? Just because the art quality is doodle-level compared to normal art Chaamers has doesn't change the message

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:14:04 No.1186799 Report

Quoted By:

Haachama being real!
https://youtu.be/tYXAx9ww2q0

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:15:45 No.1186875 Report

Quoted By: >>1186956

>>1186740
She doesn't ask people to cut off their fingers, they do it on their own

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:16:34 No.1186894 Report

Quoted By: >>1186956

>>1176260
this is why everyone hate corporate higher up

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:18:25 No.1186956 Report

Quoted By: >>1187077 >>1189903

>>1186875
And likewise chama never asked any viewer to cut off their head.

>>1186894
If only that were true, there are anons in this board who unironically worship management.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:18:50 No.1186965 Report

Quoted By: >>1187016

>>1178224
ANGER and i will never go to bargain, cover cant appease me with anything with what tthey currently have right now

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:19:14 No.1186977 Report

Quoted By: >>1187120

>>1186774
>Getting a drawing of being beat up for back seating is the same as having your head reattached to someone else's body as part of a month long video series
How in the hell do you think both these chats are feeling the same emotion? How does a fun doodle emit the same emotion?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:20:29 No.1187010 Report

Quoted By:

>>1169154
Haachama I love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:20:40 No.1187016 Report

Quoted By:

>>1186965
Bargaining is broader than simply forgiving cover. It's more like "well shell me back and better than ever!"

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:22:22 No.1187077 Report

Quoted By: >>1187292 >>1188097

>>1186956
>chama never asked any viewer
When has she ever asked them to do anything but make fanart??? Do you watch her channel by chance?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:23:59 No.1187120 Report

Quoted By: >>1187272

>>1186977
No one legit thinks haachama "cutting her own head off" means they should do it too. But chances are, if people knew korone physical address they would legit do it. This is the same fanbase with confirmed dogfuckers. And I dont want to make this a fanbase vs fanbase war because I like korones content, but I'm just being real.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:27:47 No.1187272 Report

Quoted By:

>>1187120
Honestly, I can believe you people are just that mental in the head

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:28:15 No.1187292 Report

Quoted By: >>1187414

>>1187077
>When has she ever asked them to do anything but make fanart
Otaku fashion contest? Viewer cooking contest? Probably some other shit that i can't think of off the top of my head.
>Do you watch her channel by chance?
Tier 2 member, what the fuck do you think dumbass?

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:28:21 No.1187298 Report

Quoted By:

truly an artist and content creator

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:31:51 No.1187414 Report

Quoted By: >>1187869

>>1187292
2 tires of retardry it seems

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:44:17 No.1187869 Report

Quoted By:

>>1187414

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:44:42 No.1187881 Report

Quoted By:

>>1172279
They did, but what they learned never gets applied, because once the people who identified the problems get into the position to fix them, they've adapted, become comfortable, and even profit from not fixing the problems. It's incredibly frustrating, and it's not just a Japanese thing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:52:11 No.1188097 Report

Quoted By: >>1188143 >>1188213

>>1187077
>Cooking
>Room
>Clothing (normal)
>Clothing (cosplay)
>Random "creation" without any restriction
>Music
There was also the travel one who got canned by management because she got many Taiwanese entries

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:53:22 No.1188143 Report

Quoted By:

>>1188097
who->which

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:55:27 No.1188213 Report

Quoted By: >>1188423

>>1188097
Again, not asking for any fingers or heads, just their own content that fits the criteria of the "event", literally just fans submitting their ideas

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 06:58:39 No.1188308 Report

Quoted By:

Another thing a lot of people don’t understand is the cultural adjustment Haachama has had to go through— and it’s not as simple as “oh she was going crazy in Australia.” Her first two years were difficult, and then she was hit with being forced into lockdown for a year. At the same time, she moved in with her grandma and some positives did arise, she adjusted, but also suffered homesickness. And now she’s back in Japan, but the thing is that the “W curve” is still going to affect her even in her home country. “Haachama” and her unique projects arose as coping, but her adopting individualist values from living with western society aren’t helping her back in collectivist Japan. Her choices are limited and she’s going to (or is) facing this with everyone; not just Cover, her family, friends, everyone. It’s apart of Japanese culture, you fit into the mould of the company, group etc. you’re Hololive, so you do what every other member does, because it’s what fans expect. This is why Japanese Haatons, I suspect, may be more uncomfortable with the changes compared to Western fans, they want Haachama’s personality, of course, but they want to expect and receive what the fans of the other girls get.

TL;DR or basically: Haachama is under a lot of mental stress, even though it’s been a few months after her move and she seriously needs a break. She’s a strong independent and creative girl and I’m amazed she went so far with this project.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 07:02:23 No.1188423 Report

Quoted By: >>1188775

>>1188213
Even for this schizo arc alone, the only part where she actually asked for submission was for that 28th stream one.
In the previous ones, she only used whatever posted on Twitter using her art tags, which other talents also normally get, but she actually utilized them for something other than just thumbnails like the others.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 07:07:47 No.1188624 Report

Quoted By:

>>1172516
It went like this:
At one of their security audits the engineers doing the maintenance survey noticed that the backup generators at the plant were installed in a basement, below sea level. They informed management that "hey, this is a real fucking bad idea because if (when) this place floods then the backup gens will be under water and totally useless". So guess what happened when the inevitable earthquake and resulting tsunami hit, flooding the entire region and throwing everything into chaos? The backup generators that were necessary in keeping the plant from going meltdown were in the fucking flooded basement because the suits didn't want to pay to have they moved higher.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 07:09:35 No.1188686 Report

Quoted By:

>>1180273
Exact same for me
EN and JP branches are good, but between them are Haato and Coco who have some sort of drive the other girls lack
Or I guess at least had, given it seems someone in the company desperately wants their wings clipped...

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 07:12:07 No.1188775 Report

Quoted By: >>1189207

>>1188423
Still can't get over that game she felt forced to play for the horror contest, her standing still for a full minute when the final boss started was beautiful

Anonymous

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Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 07:20:13 No.1189011 Report

Quoted By:

>>1180273
Same. I miss her a lot and this is making me go through a depressive episode. I really need to be more mentally stable

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 07:29:10 No.1189207 Report

Quoted By:

>>1188775
I think she didn't expect the difficulty because the previous game was so short so she gave it 30 mins tops, and 30 mins for the rest of the entries and it should warp up nicely right at midnight, but it dragged on too long so she was frustrated that it didn't go according to her plan

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 08:05:31 No.1189903 Report

Quoted By: >>1201195

>>1186956
>never asked any viewer to cut off their head.
Isn't this the early version of Akai Haato, which was inspired by Alice in Wonderland's Queen of Hearts? She ordered haatons to cut off their heads all the time. That's why haaton heads are sewn together. It's why the character for beheading appears in the 2019 ECHO cover. Cutting off heads is intrinsic to her character setting and has been since Day 1. Fuck Cover for not letting her finish developing it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 08:08:39 No.1189957 Report

Quoted By: >>1189982

If the problem is YouTube ToS, why doesn't she upload it somewhere else with Cover's permission?

I can't believe there are people thinking cover is not responsible for this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 08:10:01 No.1189982 Report

Quoted By: >>1190247

>>1189957
Youtube ToS has nothing to do with this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 08:24:33 No.1190247 Report

Quoted By:

>>1189982
That's what I'm saying

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Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 10:00:14 No.1191596 Report

Quoted By: >>1196203

I'm on a doomer mood after the events of yesterday. I hope everything goes well for her though. Been watching haato/chama and miko forever and will keep doing so as long as I can.

Coco and Calli keep growing on me so I'll keep watching them. Sora and Risu are comfy too. For the others I watch sometimes but I'm not really invested

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 10:09:32 No.1191765 Report

Quoted By:

>>1178224
Depression
I just feel so bad for her
For us to end up living with the BAD END is something that I think she took personal. All these haatons waiting for an ending and all she could do was tell us she's not allowed.
I have no doubt she cried a little, with all the effort and time she and her fans put in it must have been a bomb to her system.
I could care less about everything that happened on 3/3, I just want her to find happiness.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 10:28:45 No.1192122 Report

Quoted By:

>>1185510
kek listener-san has been taking a beating regularly nowadays

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 14:22:39 No.1196203 Report

Quoted By:

>>1191596
same but replace risu with reine for me

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 14:40:09 No.1196474 Report

Quoted By:

>>1170300
>>1171966
These are important, she got shut off right before she was going to do something big. Regardless if all this haachama thing was somehow linked with herself or not cover closed it down right before the climax and this must have hurt her a lot. They really could fuck up big this time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 17:19:58 No.1199145 Report

Quoted By: >>1199211

>>1171434
She's one of the most senior member though, unless you're talking about age

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 17:22:16 No.1199192 Report

Quoted By:

>>1186735
You need a double dose from Lamy

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 17:23:44 No.1199211 Report

Quoted By: >>1199289

>>1199145
In Japan, seniority = age. Any country that's been infected by Confucian crap has axiomatic reverence for boomers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 17:29:00 No.1199288 Report

Quoted By:

What's happened to Haachama is fucking bullshit. God I fucking hate Japan.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 17:29:07 No.1199289 Report

Quoted By: >>1202850

>>1199211
>Confucian crap
Respect for the elderly actually comes from long human history were the life expectance was low, books were scarce or didnt exist, and most knowledge was oral tradition. The elder lived the longest, so they had the most experience and wisdom.

Today I agree boomer worship is retarded, but that has a lot of ramifications that society hasnt really figured out yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 17:46:00 No.1199589 Report

Quoted By:

>>1180642
its not a matter of "more or less", Haachama was only able to do what she did because she was already large enough and financially stable enough to be able to safely take a risk, like she did with the #coexist arc.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 17:49:43 No.1199637 Report

Quoted By: >>1199864

>>1177460
>Watching this gave me a really blunt reminder that VTubing is not just gaming/Zatsudans
Someone should tell Cover that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 18:00:46 No.1199864 Report

Quoted By:

>>1199637
>did you play all undertale routes, vtuber?

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Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 18:12:42 No.1200050 Report

Quoted By:

>>1178224
anger all the way

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 18:19:17 No.1200142 Report

Quoted By: >>1200194 >>1200218

>>1169154
Doesn't matter, lore officially canned by Cover, even if Haato manage to release the 'final' chapter it will be so heavy handed in altering the lore to conform to Cover's standards it just not the same anymore.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 18:22:12 No.1200194 Report

Quoted By:

>>1200142
I still remember when haato got her head cut and she fell, a digital nuke went off both on twatter/4ch who watch vtubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 18:23:36 No.1200218 Report

Quoted By:

>>1200142
Plot twist, Yagoo was the true CHINK all along.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 19:14:18 No.1201042 Report

Quoted By:

>>1170991
pewdiepie, the biggest individual youtuber period has problems with getting his videos deleted and getting good contacts at youtube and you think cover can somehow do it??

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 19:21:50 No.1201195 Report

Quoted By:

>>1189903
you're wasting your time explaining facts to newfaggots buddy, they'll never listen

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 19:25:39 No.1201280 Report

Quoted By: >>1201312

>>1169154
>>1169649
>she just know that she had to finish her build for whatever reason
>tfw the climax could have been her burning the tower of babel but now we'll never get to see it

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 19:27:20 No.1201312 Report

Quoted By:

>>1201280
Holy shit now I'm sad that could have been the ending and we won't know. It would have been a fucking chad move

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 19:51:20 No.1201761 Report

Quoted By: >>1201794 >>1202843 >>1204621

Don't forget to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6R5FNT8Fvs today

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 19:53:07 No.1201794 Report

Quoted By: >>1204621

>>1201761
Am I going insane or are the high notes at the start and end sounding like "bye bye" repeated

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 20:27:05 No.1202413 Report

Quoted By:

>>1177460
Been planning something similar to this for my change to Live2D, don't think it will compete with this though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 20:51:37 No.1202843 Report

Quoted By:

>>1201761
Tragic that we will probably never see the true end that she had planned, but I think we can see shades of it in this video. I am tearing up seeing Haachama put the blanket over sleeping Haato.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 20:51:50 No.1202850 Report

Quoted By:

>>1199289
This but also its especially bad in Confucian countries. Then again that's likely just those countries having a higher respect for power structures, compared to other cultures, such as the Anglosphere, or Protestant Europe

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Mar 2021 22:27:38 No.1204621 Report

Quoted By:

>>1201761
Really sad and angered that she could only post this weird cliffhanger instead of a true ending. I'm not forgetting this one.
>>1201794
Take your meds anon, that's a generic sample used in many songs.

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