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The Absolute State of Hololive

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 16:45:49 No.13911182 View View Reply Original Report

Her fandom completely dropped her.
Either way the retarded dragon was never entertaining to begin with

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 16:46:50 No.13911227 Report

Quoted By: >>13911508 >>13911660 >>13933287

>>13911182
now post SCs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 16:48:52 No.13911315 Report

Quoted By: >>13911508

>>13911182
Can't watch because of spoilers
Can't speak for anyone else, though

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 16:49:03 No.13911326 Report

Quoted By: >>13911508

why are you a numberfag? don’t be like pekora

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 16:51:05 No.13911412 Report

Quoted By: >>13911508

>>13911182
Right, it's so obvious that she's nothing without Hololive's brand power.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 16:52:11 No.13911465 Report

Quoted By: >>13911660

>>13911182
Kson still mogs hololive in terms of SC.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 16:52:11 No.13911466 Report

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Coco graduated, OP. Why would I follow some VShojo-adjacent thot to chaturbate?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 16:52:11 No.13911468 Report

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>>13911182
She got those views for solo streams when she was Coco you just never noticed

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Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 16:53:07 No.13911508 Report

Quoted By: >>13911570 >>13911914 >>13913446

>>13911182
>>13911227
>>13911315
>>13911326
>>13911412
Zhang

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 16:54:44 No.13911570 Report

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>>13911508
>bait

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 16:57:08 No.13911660 Report

Quoted By: >>13914680 >>13918735 >>13918828

>>13911227
>>13911465
This.
Earnings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sub count/views

It's a more legitimate measure of someone's popularity because people are actually willing to spend money on you. Kizuna AI has millions of subscribers across her different channels but she's irrelevant compared to a lot of other vtubers now. Earnings matter more than anything else, and KSon beats everyone in this except maybe Rushia, haven't checked the rankings lately.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:02:26 No.13911857 Report

Quoted By: >>13911933 >>13912095 >>13913466 >>13913526 >>13913642 >>13918443 >>13921249 >>13930548

>>13911182
>Her fandom completely dropped her.
ogey

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:03:52 No.13911914 Report

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>>13911508
nijibrony

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:04:26 No.13911933 Report

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>>13911857
>explicit proof it was yakuza money laundering the whole time

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:07:48 No.13912095 Report

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>>13911857
>brand dicksuckers were also poorfags
Oh no no no no

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:10:22 No.13912203 Report

Quoted By: >>13912366

>>13911182
I hate kson as much as they next guy but these were her numbers in holo outside of meme review and other events.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:13:04 No.13912342 Report

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Judge eyes is a debuff game but you knew that

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:13:31 No.13912366 Report

Quoted By: >>13913252

>>13912203
Not really but you can easily check it.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:25:10 No.13912918 Report

Quoted By: >>13920014

>>13911182
>makes more SC money than all the holos
>most subbed independent vtuber of all time
>doesn't have the corporate leash whipping her and is starting to branch out with collabs ie Melody
Eat shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:32:58 No.13913252 Report

Quoted By: >>13913371

>>13912366
Yeah her numbers were pretty low. She once nicely asked her fans not to say stuff like "only <insert number> viewers" for some streams. It was near the end of her career in hololive. I think she was playing minecraft when she said that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:35:33 No.13913371 Report

Quoted By: >>13913652

>>13913252

It depended a lot on what kind of stream it was, she could get 2k, she could get 8k+ it just depended on the context, same as now.

Judge Eyes is just boring even for a Yakuza game, and she never got a lot of views on Yakuza games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:37:07 No.13913446 Report

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>>13911508
Schizo

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:37:33 No.13913464 Report

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>>13911182
I love her, but even i can't watch this boring shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:37:37 No.13913466 Report

Quoted By: >>13921600

>>13911857
On top of that she gets all of this now without Cover cut.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:38:43 No.13913526 Report

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>>13911182
>>13911857
Another proof how worthless raw numbers are.

Same way NijiEN with 2k viewers make more in superchats than HoloEN with over 10k.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:38:50 No.13913531 Report

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>>13911182
Man, she must be starving...

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:41:40 No.13913642 Report

Quoted By: >>13913903 >>13928055 >>13928124

>>13911857
Ouch. Another proof that Cover moving from actual otaku content to boring as shit sterile kiddie friendly crap is not the best idea long term. Minecraft babies don't superchat.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:41:46 No.13913652 Report

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>>13913371
>she never got a lot of views on Yakuza games

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:41:46 No.13913653 Report

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Anon, the difference is, one Ksonfag is worth about 200 noutoddlers

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:48:00 No.13913903 Report

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>>13913642
>hiroyuki
Wait what

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:51:03 No.13914019 Report

Quoted By: >>13914313

>>13911182
her live view numbers were always mediocre; many of her coco streams were in the 2k-4k range as well.

it was her regular "other" content that got the high watches. meme review or asacoco for example.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:55:06 No.13914176 Report

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>>13911182
I only watched her when she was collabing with someone i watch regularly, if she got too obnoxious i would just find another stream to watch.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:58:09 No.13914313 Report

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>>13914019
>always
She was top tier in live viewers for like half a year but she was hit hard by the restrictions and then chat spambots and other hardships gradually whittled away the non-diehards. 2K was movie watchalong numbers for isolation period Coco.

In any case for an indie at a weird time frame playing a debuff game for the fifth stream they're very respectable numbers and OP is retarded for making a thread about them half a week later.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 17:58:51 No.13914348 Report

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>>13911182
It's completely opposite in fact, tourists left, fandom stayed.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 18:07:11 No.13914680 Report

Quoted By: >>13919230

>>13911660
Bad idea to use Kizuna Ai in a comparison of earnings vs subs when she pulls in plenty. You gotta find a VTuber that has high subs/views but doesn't pull in much from all their revenue streams.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:00:30 No.13918443 Report

Quoted By: >>13919120 >>13920223 >>13921315

>>13911857
How does she do it? What is it about kson that makes people shower her with money?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:03:31 No.13918520 Report

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>>13911182
+15 social credit

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:05:13 No.13918573 Report

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I said this 2 months ago.

I said, she might look popular now, but if she doesn't have a streaming group, she is going to fade in popularity. She needs other talents with her. Either start her own group, or join an existing group. I said she should join Nijisanji. Back then, suggesting that was ridiculous because she's so big. But look at her now. It's because she didn't have the ability to see this coming.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:09:56 No.13918735 Report

Quoted By: >>13918790 >>13920583 >>13929407

>>13911660
How about comparing membership. Oh, I guess you can't because that can't be accurently put on a list to jerk off to. You do know that the top streamers outside of vtubers don't even deal in SCs because it's chump change compared to the views they get from ad revenue and membership. Technoblade got like 613k live viewers for playing minecraft for 2 hours which from first glance seems like play acting in minecraft. Maybe you should get your heads out of the gutter because real youtube streamers treat SCs as a meare pittance in the grand scheme of things.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:12:00 No.13918790 Report

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>>13918735
>ad revenue
>in 2021
Kek, anon are you stuck in 2010?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:13:10 No.13918828 Report

Quoted By: >>13918939 >>13919011 >>13919187

>>13911660
Earning from promotions + merchs > earning from SC.
Didn't Kson herself said that her SC is 60-70% of the revenue from YT while before that, as Kson it was 10-20% or something?

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Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:15:21 No.13918895 Report

Quoted By: >>13919321

rrat

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:16:42 No.13918939 Report

Quoted By: >>13919041

>>13918828
Read your post again.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:19:16 No.13919011 Report

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>>13918828
No, she did not. No clue where you got those numbers from.

For most Youtube streamers SC doesn't make for huge income but that's because they simply don't get as many donations. Holos and other vtubers are extremely overrepresented in SC rankings.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:20:17 No.13919041 Report

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>>13918939
Sorry, as Coco, her earning was 10-20%. Not sure if that is correct since I remember reading that in the general threads. Nevertheless, I imagined membership + promotion would dwarf jusy SCs alone.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:22:14 No.13919120 Report

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>>13918443
she only gets a lot of SC during zatsudans, so probably her personality appeals to japs

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:23:45 No.13919172 Report

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>>13911182
who?
idk who that is on the left
anyway
man i miss coco

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:24:13 No.13919187 Report

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>>13918828
Kson takes 70 cents of every dollar (30% is flat yt tax)
Coco at best got 35 cents (50/50 split with cover after yt tax)
In fact for her SC are significant chunk of her income, one may argue, more than merch ( yes she have it) but her merch is quite affordable, so her income from that is lower.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:24:40 No.13919195 Report

Quoted By: >>13919278

>>13911182
Vtuber vs camwhore

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:25:31 No.13919230 Report

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>>13914680
Gura...

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:26:20 No.13919270 Report

Quoted By: >>13919325 >>13920188 >>13920580 >>13921398

>cocotards unironically defending the bitch
Fucking pathetic. She used hololive to be popular and left. I hope she has a painful death.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:26:35 No.13919278 Report

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>>13919195
Pekoea had her episode in niconico, there's no need to dwell on that.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:26:47 No.13919287 Report

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>>13911182
She got those numbers when she played Yakuza 3. And way back when she played Kiwami before Taiwan.
I was surprised but Tatsunoko really don't care to watch her play her favorite series. Too bad, they were fun streams.

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Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:27:57 No.13919321 Report

Quoted By: >>13919444

>>13918895
yeah you love that corpo cock don't you?
useless senpai can't even protect the based dragon who carried the whole company

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:28:01 No.13919325 Report

Quoted By: >>13921470

>>13919270
>That's your brain on corporate branding.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:31:56 No.13919444 Report

Quoted By: >>13919728

>>13919321
If you hate Miko you're clearly don't care about Coco either.
Begone shill.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:40:04 No.13919728 Report

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>>13919444
>ESL
how's beijing?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:47:46 No.13920014 Report

Quoted By: >>13920156

>>13912918
>>most subbed independent vtuber of all time
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLqCmbd6bgcLaBVz3aA-68A

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:51:08 No.13920156 Report

Quoted By: >>13920217

>>13920014
streams doko?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:51:55 No.13920188 Report

Quoted By: >>13921470

>>13919270
Why are you so angry about something so unimportant ?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:53:01 No.13920217 Report

Quoted By: >>13920302

>>13920156
It’s called Vtuber and not Vstreamer

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:53:16 No.13920223 Report

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>>13918443
She has a strong personality and isn’t brain dead.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:54:19 No.13920253 Report

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>>13911182
>Her fandom completely dropped her
>She's number one in superchat for the month of November
Get fucked retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 20:55:54 No.13920302 Report

Quoted By: >>13920869

>>13920217
So where is her avatar?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 21:03:47 No.13920580 Report

Quoted By: >>13921470 >>13931895

>>13919270
Isn't it the opposite? I heard she was originally gonna be a manager but then was brought into the spotlight or something.
Plus it seemed like it was a healthy symbiotic relationship, she basically attracted more EN viewers to Hololive by actually speaking English with crassness contrasting the gap-moe idol theme, they got popular, they all benefited from the money coming in, they parted ways on good terms despite the heavy rough spots around late 2020/early 2021, everyone won.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 21:03:50 No.13920583 Report

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>>13918735
>Ad revenue
Literally the only reason youtubers care about being demonitized is because it shadow bans them and makes it harder people to find them. Why the fuck do you think they ALL use some kind of fan funding site and shill Raycon and Raid? If youtube just took away the literal pennies they pay them, no one would care about being demonitized.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 21:10:42 No.13920869 Report

Quoted By: >>13920940

>>13920302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVItBIkQPGQ&t=1500s

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 21:12:21 No.13920940 Report

Quoted By: >>13921154

>>13920869
She used it only for one stream? sugoi

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 21:18:28 No.13921154 Report

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>>13920940
She debuted it after getting fucked over by Sony and quitting as Kaguya Luna, she has a Solo live next weekend.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 21:21:27 No.13921249 Report

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>>13911857
Ramirez overtook Rushia? sasuga yukimin!

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 21:23:51 No.13921315 Report

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>>13918443
Cause she doesn't give a fuck if people don't like her. She learned she can't please everyone nor that everyone likes her so she just does her thing which built the core of her community who stay.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 21:26:22 No.13921398 Report

Quoted By: >>13921470

>>13919270
Uhm, that's supposed to be bad?
You unironically think nobody else but her applied for popularity and money?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 21:29:05 No.13921470 Report

Quoted By: >>13921615

>>13919325
>>13920188
>>13920580
>>13921398
Why are you responding seriously to such an obvious shitposter?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 21:33:32 No.13921600 Report

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>>13913466
>all of this
Susan disagrees

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 21:33:53 No.13921615 Report

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>>13921470
Why else would I be on this site if not to shitpost and reply to shitposter?

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Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 23:30:19 No.13927948 Report

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>>13911182
>Her fandom completely dropped her.
everybody hated her surprise collab with Connor last week

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 23:32:09 No.13928055 Report

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>>13913642
Bora is graduating you dumb faggot

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Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 23:33:41 No.13928124 Report

Quoted By: >>13933094

>>13913642
>Minecraft babies don't superchat.
>superchat
anon, that's the mentality of the poorfag, they go for the big sponsors, that's where is the real money, they only need numbers

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 01 Dec 2021 23:57:53 No.13929407 Report

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>>13918735
>Technoblade got like 613k live viewers for playing minecraft for 2 hours
Bro WTF
I didn't even know that number was possible for anything other than a live concert
That's absolutely insane

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 00:18:53 No.13930548 Report

Quoted By: >>13932301

>>13911857
wtf Lamy has just been silently raking in big bucks since last year mad respect for her

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 00:42:54 No.13931895 Report

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>>13920580
>symbiotic relationship
This. Even then till the end. The chinks got autobanned by the anti spam system, Coco leaves on a positive note with Hololive and comes out as a hero, both Hololive and Kson are making even more money than ever before. While Zhang and his friends lost all their money on Evergrande and seething that they can't do anything about it. Everyone won except the Chinks.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 00:49:34 No.13932301 Report

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>>13930548
Lamy is mogging Rushia lately, my guess is that people are bored of menhera experience and want just cute regular gfe instead

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 01:00:42 No.13933044 Report

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>>13911182
she isn't part of hololive anymore, she made enough money to live comfy. I never liked her and found it hilarious people were willing to sit through a stream of actual reddit memes every week just for her

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 01:01:30 No.13933094 Report

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>>13928124
oh boy, if I had a penny for every corporation that fails because they focused on marketing rather than their own product

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 01:03:24 No.13933214 Report

Quoted By: >>13933288

Awesome bait thread

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 01:04:31 No.13933287 Report

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>>13911227
>one simp keep paying coco money thinking that she will marry him one day
......

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 02 Dec 2021 01:04:31 No.13933288 Report

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>>13933214
Thanks for bumping it anyway

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