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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 18:53:38 No.16538299 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>16538387 >>16539848 >>16539908 >>16540093 >>16540286 >>16540411 >>16540798 >>16541391 >>16541699 >>16545739

Who is the onus on, non jp speakers to learn Japanese or JP vtubers to start learning English?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 18:55:09 No.16538387 Report

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>>16538299
NNCH ENGLISU!!!

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:16:41 No.16539354 Report

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both to learn chink

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:26:21 No.16539848 Report

Quoted By: >>16540095

>>16538299
English is the international language. They were supposed to learn it in school instead of slacking off.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:27:43 No.16539908 Report

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>>16538299
Neither.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:31:33 No.16540093 Report

Quoted By: >>16540286 >>16540409

>>16538299
The onus is definitely on the JP speakers to learn English. Jps in general are pretty lazy, a lot of holoEN can speak JP, why can't JP do the same? Even my oshi Sana, that people like to label as being lazy, is easily able to pick up and speak Japanese. Honestly I don't think the JP branch will ever be able to compete with until they stop being lazy and actually break the language barrier.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:31:37 No.16540095 Report

Quoted By: >>16540251 >>16540342 >>16543287 >>16545771

>>16539848
english was never supposed to be the lingua franca of international otaku. it was pushed that way by large companies looking to make a profit, its the language of globalism, which isnt aligned with otaku ideals at all

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:33:45 No.16540204 Report

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most Japs don't learn english properly because they never end up using it regularly and have enough local media to consoom to avoid english shit

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:34:39 No.16540251 Report

Quoted By: >>16540343 >>16540409 >>16541141

>>16540095
Who fucking cares what it was "supposed to be"? They had English lessons at school, therefore they were supposed to learn it, but they didn't. A member of Hololive English would have had no reason to learn the language of a tiny island nation in the Pacific before they joined Hololive.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:35:20 No.16540286 Report

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>>16538299
>>16540093
There is no motivation to learn english. Japanese is easier to learn because it has anime and other stuff. You learn a language through enjoying media, simple as. Some JPs like disney surely but there arent even enough disney movies to learn a whole language. Even if I go along with this false meme that it just comes down to "effort," the reward for learning japanese is just so much higher than the reward for learning english

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:36:19 No.16540342 Report

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>>16540095
Japan is a product of American Imperialism. So are Otaku ideals, consumerism is #1.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:36:21 No.16540343 Report

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>>16540251
>therefore they were supposed to learn it, but they didn't
they dodged a bullet

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:37:32 No.16540409 Report

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In my opinion, neither.
>>16540093
>>16540251
Cover is still a japanese company doing mostly japanese culture things, at the same time english vocabulary and media diffuses more easily into JP than it does vice versa. No real onus and I think everyone remotely interested in Hololive should at least have picked up a few words to say.
>Even my oshi Sana, that people like to label as being lazy
Don't offer shitposters a square inch of rent space in your head. Sana is lovely.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:37:34 No.16540411 Report

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>>16538299
for EN to learn Japanese obviously. Its never gonna work out the other way

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:38:43 No.16540457 Report

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>>16540342
Otaku consume media that is catered to what they want in their media in the first place. Americans consume media that is catered to what they were told is what they are supposed to enjoy

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:39:25 No.16540499 Report

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It is definitely not worth their time to try and learn english unless they actually want to do something with it after hololive. Average jp viewers are much more valuable than en and the work to become actually capable of being entertaining in english would be much better spent in some other part of their career. You can see it in like lui english only streams she's put in a ton of work but those streams suck and she's so far away from being close to natural.

Subaru can make it work in a holobirds sort of situation but a true english entertaining zatsudon is insanely far for any of them. It's not like haachama even gets much if any of a boost from her english ability. yeah people post on reddit about it but they don't watch much if any of her actual content or give her money so end of the day who fuckin cares

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:40:46 No.16540559 Report

Quoted By: >>16540677 >>16540983 >>16541063

>>16540343
But you didn't, though if you're a native English speaker I feel sorry for you. Anglo countries are all shitholes.
>>16540409
>Cover is still a japanese company doing mostly japanese culture things
While that's true, if you're going to expand into the international market you can't expect everyone to understand your local language. Let's say you're German and you work for a French company. Do you need to learn French? No, it never works like that.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:43:21 No.16540677 Report

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>>16540559
No, they just annex the company.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:44:09 No.16540719 Report

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>>16540677
I can see where we're going with this.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:45:36 No.16540798 Report

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>>16538299
I love Nenechi!

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:47:43 No.16540899 Report

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If they can't speak english and half their viewers are still from overseas anyway then what's the point in learning it

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:49:09 No.16540983 Report

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>>16540559
>though if you're a native English speaker I feel sorry for you. Anglo countries are all shitholes.
thank you am I and I agree

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:51:07 No.16541063 Report

Quoted By: >>16541180 >>16541238

>>16540559
>if you're going to expand into the international market you can't expect everyone to understand your local language. Let's say you're German and you work for a French company. Do you need to learn French?
Germany and France dont have otaku culture, nothing close to it. It's really that simple. There is no comparison. Literally everyone that watches anime in this world wants to learn Japanese, the only problem is that many dont know how

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:53:19 No.16541141 Report

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>>16540251
>using school curriculum as an argument

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:54:12 No.16541180 Report

Quoted By: >>16541289 >>16541444 >>16541935

>>16541063
>Germany and France dont have otaku culture
It's an example, idiot. Let's say you live in Denmark and work for Toyota. Do you need to learn Japanese, or do you solve the problem by speaking English, the international language?
>Literally everyone that watches anime in this world wants to learn Japanese
No, that's fucking retarded. There's great subs in English (the international language) for everything except niche shit that I guarantee no EN chuuba has ever watched.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:55:21 No.16541238 Report

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>>16541063
France does, though.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:56:22 No.16541289 Report

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>>16541180
subs keep getting SJW treatment and the only way you'll actually know what your reading is true is if you can understand it lol.

or just keep watching until you get tired of netflix and crunchy

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:58:38 No.16541391 Report

Quoted By: >>16541964

>>16538299
>Number of English speakers worldwide: 1.35 billion
>Number of Japanese speakers worldwide: 120 million
You figure it out.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:59:02 No.16541415 Report

Quoted By: >>16541546

>>16541289
Again, the number of EN chuubas that care are zero. Some like Kiara taught themselves Japanese because they wanted to live in Japan. If you're moving to a country it's a different matter and of course you need to learn the native language.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 19:59:39 No.16541444 Report

Quoted By: >>16542986 >>16547360

>>16541238
I meant their own home grown culture in their language with comparable interest
>>16541180
>Let's say you live in Denmark and work for Toyota. Do you need to learn Japanese, or do you solve the problem by speaking English, the international language?
Who cares? If they like anime and japan they probably would like to learn japanese if they knew how to go about it. Toyota isnt Hololive. Hololive are online idols that interact with a million foreign fans that want to learn their language

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 20:02:06 No.16541546 Report

Quoted By: >>16541651

>>16541415
this is not about EN vtubers learning JP it's about JP vtubers learning EN or EN consumers learning JP.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 20:04:28 No.16541651 Report

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>>16541546
Fuck, you're right, I misread the OP. The burden is on neither. Foreign viewers can't be expected to know Japanese and JP vtubers streaming to a local audience can't be expected to accommodate foreigners. If they're collabing with EN or ID then it's a different matter.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 20:05:22 No.16541699 Report

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>>16538299
The onus will be on your dick if you learn it.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 20:10:14 No.16541935 Report

Quoted By: >>16541996

>>16541180
>working for a jp car parts manufacturing company
>be forced to learn Japanese and earn monthly raise depending on your proficiency
anon some japanese companies actually give incentives for learning nihongo while you are working for them

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 20:10:45 No.16541964 Report

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>>16541391
this is the most retarded numbers i've seen. fuck off redditfag

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 20:11:23 No.16541996 Report

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>>16541935
I know that's a thing, and they shouldn't, but since JP is so fucking lazy when it comes to learning English that's what ends up happening. Same thing happens with Chinese companies.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 20:15:56 No.16542222 Report

Quoted By: >>16542438

>EOP
kek, not everyone needs to cater to your needs. learn to adjust to the world

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 20:20:05 No.16542438 Report

Quoted By: >>16543137

>>16542222
the world is controlled by madmen who are destroying everything.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 20:31:57 No.16542986 Report

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>>16541444
I am not sure what qualifies as otaku culture to you, but there are several conventions in Germany which started out in German+Japanese, with English added as in DigiKomi to also be accessible to foreigners. I don't know about France but I expect everything they do to avoid localization (especially to English) as much as possible. Otaku culture may not be big as in Brazil or Mexico, but it certainly exists to a degree that on some days you can't take a train or go into the city without seeing someone in Cosplay. Don't forget that German also dubs much more than most other non-EFL languages, and some anime is dubbed from an already existing German dub. All of which is to say that the examples you picked are poorly chosen, but I am not really engaged in the conversation (haven't replied since you replied to my single post here) and don't want to challenge what you say about that.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 20:35:15 No.16543137 Report

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>>16542438
this is one of the shittiest threads I've seen in /vt/

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 20:38:29 No.16543287 Report

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>>16540095
>english was never supposed to be the lingua franca
Why not? It's easy, practical and you don't need to know proper grammar or spelling to communicate. Try learning mandarin or german.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 20:48:42 No.16543729 Report

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Do you want to understand a particular language?
If yes learn it, if no don't.

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 21:39:01 No.16545739 Report

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>>16538299
nobody. do whatever you want

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 21:39:40 No.16545771 Report

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>>16540095
>otaku ideals

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Anonymous Sun 16 Jan 2022 22:16:32 No.16547360 Report

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>>16541444
there used to be interest in French culture in at least the rest of Europe. maybe less these days.

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