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And I don't mean to shit on Hololive. I really love a lot of the streamers in the company and I'm a member of Gura's channel and I don't even like Mori or Connor, but what he said was right. There are a bunch of talentless vtubers there who are hugely successful not because they're talented or entertaining but because of the brand. I think hate for Mori and Connor is justified but not because of what he said to Ironmouse, but because they're awful.