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Thread to determine what counts as a vtuber

Anonymous Tue 02 Feb 2021 18:58:28 No.195303 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>205305 >>205402 >>206954 >>207379 >>208499 >>208537 >>217448 >>220938

>1.If the vtuber acknowledges their actual irl face, they're not a real vtuber. Virtual faces only.
>2.They must be intending to be a vtuber. Not everyone with an avatar is a counts, they have to specifically be aiming to be a vtuber.
Any more?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Feb 2021 21:07:40 No.198426 Report

Quoted By: >>205538

A vtuber's content may be pre-recorded or not, but there must be an element of audience interaction.
This means that the vtuber must be aware that they have an audience, and be willing to interact with them.
The audience, for their part, must be willing to suspend their disbelief and treat the vtuber as a person.
Interaction with a vtuber can be one-sided, as in telling the audience about their day, or it can be back and forth, as in a live stream.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 02 Feb 2021 22:17:06 No.200456 Report

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Their avatar must have an appearance and background distinct from their RL self, as opposed to a stylised version of themselves, and they must at least *attempt* to stay in-character (rather than treating the avatar as a mere logo or mascot).

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 00:26:52 No.205305 Report

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>>195303
>>2.They must be intending to be a vtuber. Not everyone with an avatar is a counts, they have to specifically be aiming to be a vtuber.
This sounds like a pretty good rule. In the very least they themselves should believe that they are a vtuber.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 00:29:39 No.205402 Report

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>>195303
>1.If the vtuber acknowledges their actual irl face, they're not a real vtuber. Virtual faces only.
This sounds like a good rule. At the very least, they themselves should recognize that they are a vtuber. It needs to be their brand.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 00:32:52 No.205538 Report

Quoted By: >>207005

>>198426
>A vtuber's content may be pre-recorded or not, but there must be an element of audience interaction.
Honestly this. If there isn't any interaction between vtubers and audience, it's just a web series

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 00:53:20 No.206182 Report

Quoted By: >>207444

If they use facerig or a similar software as the only way they portray themselves, that's enough I think

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 01:17:27 No.206954 Report

Quoted By: >>207700

>>195303
You only need one rule
>1. Any online content creator who uses a facerig in lieu of a webcam

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 01:19:26 No.207005 Report

Quoted By: >>207783 >>217413

>>205538
Being a youtuber never necessitated live steaming, I don't see why being a vtuber would.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 01:36:38 No.207379 Report

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>>195303
Tamaki literally has her irl face as her member only sticker, but she is pretty much the very few vtubers whose irl identity being a public info

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 01:39:10 No.207444 Report

Quoted By: >>237424

>>207379
Yeah, I was going to say, if this rule excludes Tamaki then we're going to need to rethink things, because I don't think anyone would claim 'he' isn't a Vtuber.

>>206182
Are we completely excluding pngtubers then, or just people who intend to stay as pngtubers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 01:50:35 No.207700 Report

Quoted By: >>207878 >>208908

>>206954
>1. Any online content creator who uses a facerig in lieu of a webcam
This definition is too simplistic. If I use a facecam to make YouTube poops with video game characters, does that make me a vtuber? I think there is a distinction between "youtubing" and being an "online content creator".
In the early days of YouTube, the idea was that people would be uploading video blogs. Hence the name "YouTube". Later on came justin.tv with an emphasis on livestreaming. The modern vtuber follows in this tradition.
YouTube was launched in 2005. Back then most online video content that wasn't porn was the sort of dumb meme videos that dominate YouTube today. But those videos weren't on YouTube. They were on sites like Big-Boys or ebaumsworld.
It was only later that this sort of content started to make its way onto YouTube, giving rise to genres such as YouTube poop. Hell, Annoying Orange didn't even hit the scene until 2009. By then YouTube was already mainstream.

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Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 01:53:32 No.207783 Report

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>>207005
I don't say they must be livestreaming to be a vtuber but at least they must acknowledge the audience in their video.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 01:57:00 No.207878 Report

Quoted By: >>208510 >>217378

>>207700
>This definition is too simplistic
That's the point. Otherwise this where board would just be holo and niji

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 02:21:41 No.208499 Report

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>>195303
>They must be intending to be a vtuber.
disagree.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 02:22:16 No.208510 Report

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>>207878
If inclusivity is your goal, then any definition of a vtuber should be able to accommodate protovtubers such as Odd Todd who predate widely available facerig technology.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 02:23:17 No.208537 Report

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>>195303
1. A tuber that is virtual, simulated or designed digitally and creates entertainment or plays games.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 02:24:03 No.208567 Report

Quoted By: >>208640

One major rule should be don't bring real life into vtubing. Everything should be fictional.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 02:26:52 No.208640 Report

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>>208567
This would disqualify pretty much everyone, since they basically all talk about real life things now and then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 02:27:51 No.208667 Report

Quoted By: >>208780

In my opinion:
Rule 0. Refers to themselves as or is clearly intending to be a Vtuber.
Rule 1. Uses some kind of avatar rather than appearing on camera.
Rule 2. Makes an effort to portray some kind of alternate persona or character.
Rule 3. Said character or persona must be intrinsically tied to the actress or actor behind the mask.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 02:33:36 No.208780 Report

Quoted By: >>208895 >>217458

>>208667
>Rule 2. Makes an effort to portray some kind of alternate persona or character.
Seems unnecessary and arbitrary. Is Ui not a vtuber because she's Ui? Are the more normal indies or nijis that don't have a character gimmick not vtubers just because their vtuber is a regular person instead of having kemono mimi or a theme?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 02:39:31 No.208895 Report

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>>208780
I dont think irl Ui-mama is actually a JK...

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Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 02:40:08 No.208908 Report

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>>207700
>If I use a facecam to make YouTube poops with video game characters, does that make me a vtuber?
Uh... yes?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 07:43:46 No.217378 Report

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>>207878
no plenty of indies say they are vtubers and fall directly under the first 2 rules to ignore that means you are just trying to weasel in animators and shitpost youtubers who are not even a part of the main culture points

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 07:45:52 No.217413 Report

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>>207005
because vtuber doesnt = youtuber
they are similar but different its like saying because a tire is part of a car then all parts of the car are tires

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Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 07:47:55 No.217448 Report

Quoted By: >>217477

>>195303

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Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 07:48:23 No.217458 Report

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>>208780
id say fair on haveing it be more of a soft rule then a hard one mainly because otherwise you will let in anyone who uses a facerig but if you only use face rig then you have more of claim then the guy doing it as a shit post

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 07:50:12 No.217477 Report

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>>217448
peared

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 12:28:17 No.220938 Report

Quoted By: >>222562

>>195303
a.) Self identification. They need to claim to be one; it shouldn't just be assigned to random shows and cartoons for literally anything not showing live actors. That is retarded; you cannot retcon across multiple branches of media arbitrarily.

b.) The "virtual" in "virtual youtuber" means virtual reality. Blame the Japanese and their incomplete understanding of English and tendency to condense down English for phrases that they intend to promote and use amongst themselves. I'd suspect that saying "reality" is hard for most Japanese, so they'd rather simplify it, like how "pasocon" = personal computer etc. If the subject does not use a face rig or mocap and does not call itself a vtuber, it 99.99% likely isn't one. Kizuna Ai is the only exception but even that's iffy because it's more like a hybrid of computer animation and face rig, and the gaming channel clearly appears to be rig based.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 13:58:16 No.222562 Report

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>>220938
you are then excluding pngtubers then again pngtubers are cardboard cutouts

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 18:17:53 No.227260 Report

Quoted By: >>227317

These are nice ideas and all but how do we suggest them to mods?

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 18:21:30 No.227317 Report

Quoted By: >>240493

>>227260
Contact them via IRC, there have been flagrantly off-topic annoying orange threads here for days on end now and they still haven't banned them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Wed 03 Feb 2021 22:03:32 No.231550 Report

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this is a pretty good guideline thread

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Anonymous Thu 04 Feb 2021 01:42:26 No.237160 Report

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Anonymous Thu 04 Feb 2021 01:52:09 No.237424 Report

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>>207444
Tamaki is an exception to the rule regarding IRL face because they technically are already well known prior their Vtuber debut

But the distinction here is that Tamaki and Norio are two separate personalities, so they still count

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Feb 2021 03:01:44 No.239677 Report

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Live streaming

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Feb 2021 03:24:31 No.240410 Report

Quoted By: >>242509

Rule 1: A persona must be build before everything else.
Rule 2: Japanese culture knowledge is mandatory if your persona is a waifu.
Rule 3: If you don't want to be a waifu, you can be an orange.
Rule 4: People would eventually watch you if you make content.
Rule 5: Make content.
Rule 6: Make entertaining content.
Rule 7: Never be proud of you, you can allways do better.
Rule 8: Don't be affraid of people making porn of you.
Rule 9: Care why people like your streams.
Rule 10: Care why people don't like your streams.
Rule 11: The persona you play must be single.
Rule 12: Your real life is yours, don't bother your fans with it.
Rule 13: Go outside of Twitter. True fans aren't there.
Rule 14: Don't forget to derail /vt/ threads that talk about you (Hi Risu!).
Rule 15: If your audience doesn't grow, go back to rule 1.

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Feb 2021 03:27:34 No.240493 Report

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>>227317
I want to believe they're just leaving them be for a bit so that the new board buzz will die down, and that they'll be banned after

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Feb 2021 05:03:41 No.242509 Report

Quoted By: >>242717

>>240410
>Rule 6: Make entertaining content.
Shouldn't be a rule as entretaining is not objective
>Rule 7 to 15 (except 12)
Shitte rules, right out of a 'how to success as a e-whore' facebook post

Anonymous

Anonymous Thu 04 Feb 2021 05:17:59 No.242717 Report

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>>242509
>Make entertaining content: Shouldn't be a rule
Hmm... I see your point. I should have say "don't make boring content". We can't please everyone, but being objectively boring to everyone is much easier.

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