What is /asp/?
A thread for aspiring vtubers! Whether your goal is to make the journey as an independent streamer or to gain experience and build a portfolio for agency auditions. Let's help each other grow and make it. Indies are welcome to selfpost, but shill responsibly. Share your knowledge, insights, feedback, discuss what has worked and what hasn't worked for you. And always remember to do your research before posting personally identifying information. That includes both in this thread and in your audition applications to agencies.
FAQ:
>Do I need a fully rigged model to be a vtuber? Nope! You can get started as a simple .png character!
>I want to learn how to rig Live2D models, where do I go? Brian Tsui (of Iron Vertex), Kira Omori and the official Live2D YouTube channels have many tutorials available.
>Where can I find artists/riggers? vtuber.gg , ArtStation, DeviantArt, Twitter, Reddit,
Skeb.jp , etc.
>I just want to get started, can I buy pre-made models? Yes! Live2D models can be purchased off
nizima.com (Live2D's official marketplace) or
booth.pm (general Japanese indie artist website). Be sure to check compatibility with your facial tracking software!
>Where can I learn how to digital market myself? https://learndigital.withgoogle.com/digitalgarage >Where can I find some good games to stream? https://twitchtracker.com/games https://sullygnome.com/ >Twitch or YouTube? The general rule of thumb is Twitch if your content is primarily based on livestreaming and YouTube if your content is primarily pre-recorded and edited.
>Do you think there's an audience for X, Y, Z content? First, ask yourself if you would watch a streamer of your skill and experience. Second, do a check on social media and look to see if other streamers are already creating similar content. Don't limit yourself to vtubers, include traditional real life streamers to scope out a potential audience.
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Preview thread because OP is a faggot
>>23194074 Anonymous
Alright, this time I will come up with a design.>scuffed Japanese karaoke >join a minecraft server, create a minecraft server >Elden Ring playthrough (I'm casual but I finished DS+Sekiro) >Japanese teaching/studying stream >3DCG stream
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>>23256151 I live in a basement apartment in a house with 4 kids and two parents who own it, they have no qualms about me being loud, but though I’ve always been naturally soft spoken for some reason.
I really need help with that somehow, maybe by getting louder I’ll sound more energetic too…
>>23253158 Not-precure chuuba alt models when? Anonymous
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>>23257241 another babi to the list
from where did you fuckers crawl out from Anonymous
>>23257503 I refuse to believe that one is real.
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Reupping from last thread
http://poal.me/orbuf2 Anonymous
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>>23257503 Not that anon, but another babi. I've been a babi for months I just didn't start networking or marketing until recently.
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>>23257549 I'm really split apart. The male model is the logical choice, but... you gotta feel the cunny, you know what I'm saying?
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for the lolicons out there that want to make a babiniku, just make the mascot of the viewers a loli, it would work way better and you can even make the gender ambiguous
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>>23257916 Do both. A bald dude that can transform into a blonde cunny magical girl or some shit
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>>23257916 I'm afraid I don't know what you're saying because I do not experience gender dysphoria.
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>>23257916 Do you want to do it as a hobby or for money? That's the only question you need to ask. Absolutely okay with being a hobbyist? Babi. Want to make it a side gig and possible career? Male.
Anonymous
Former babi, but just from changing my model from female to a male I've seen a definite increase in retention and viewership. I'm going to wait another month or two before I'm fully convinced, but making zero announcement and making zero changes to my content I've seen a lot more retention swapping from my female Live2D to a male one. Not saying you should all swap but just giving my experience being a babi for almost a year vs having a male character. The female model was given to me by a friend when I started streaming kind of just as a joke/way for them to get some experience drawing/rigging models so on my end there was very little investment, but maybe something to consider.
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>>23258114 ん?文句がある?
>>23258001 You a genius man, but now I need to make two models.
>>23258150 Me neither, but I need to become one with the cunny.
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>>23258387 >Me neither, but I need to become one with the cunny. Why? Is it autogynephilia? I'm sure I'm giving the most predictable responses possible here, but I'd really like to know why you want to be a babiniku. The mind of the babi intrigues me.
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>>23258387 You can always do something like Konrad and become some bald pet/mascot held by a drill haired loli.
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>>23258469 I did have something like that as a teenagers, 10 years ago, but now that's passed and it's clear that I am a man.
I think the main reason I want to become a babiniku is that it feels like a good joke and I have a history of making poor life decisions for the sake of a joke.
Anonymous
If you remember me from the last thread, I'm the guy asking for design advice for my zombie character.
Anonymous
Aspiring vtubers? I think you should just call this thread /vt/ tranniesbecause the posters here are men pretending to be women (they will never be a woman, not even virtual)
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>>23258780 That sounds great, I'd tune in to something like a chill minecraft stream or some elden ring. Don't be discoruaged by what others tell you, if you think you'll have fun then go for it.
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>>23258978 Sorry anon 1/10 would not watch unless if it was a bad flash animation. It seems cringe, but it could be so cringe it doubles down on itself to be entertaining
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>>23258780 No one can stop you but why even bring it up? The same responses get posted each time. You can do it as a hobby.
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>>23258377 Okay but if you're talking about going from 4 to 6 viewers it's litterally nothing
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>>23258469 It's simple same reason I play girls. I think their hot, and I like their outfits. When I'm drawing I draw what's a attractive to me, not what's attractive to others. So it's hard to draw like males that aren't just traps. I love my penis, but even myself air on the more femboy side. It's simple AZ mate.
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>>23259154 Thanks, I'll be back in a month, I don't need attention right now, I need to put in some work. And have a training montage.
>>23259279 Because I'm weak and insecure.
>>23258978 Tie the back in a ponytail, get rid of whatever's above your head, tweak the ears so you don't look like Dumbo. Consider a beard if you can grow one.
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>>23258999 Funny because man is always better than woman.
t.babi
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>>23258999 Trips of faggotry. No one cares go back to pol. You prob stream to an audience of 2 and that's even if you stream
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>>23259438 I'll be eager to hear from you again Anon! Good luck! Although if you really wanna get some experience quick you can get a PNG and start from there. The quicker you get your shyness out of the way the better you'll do.
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>>23258999 That was a bit of a stretch and too forced.
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I am a virtual girl and I'm happy!
Anonymous
Good to know that the tourism is as strong as ever in this board, and the crazy antis unknowingly making bad semiotics arguments didn't die with the last thread.
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>>23258978 This looks like a Ben10 OC.
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>>23259261 cool, anything in particular you want to point out?
I did ask for critiques after all.
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>>23259776 didn't even read the last thread
sometimes i make the threads and just make two posts and fuck off
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>>23260005 yeah i do the same when i make threads sometimes i'll just make the op and then i'll leave for a bit and just not have anything to say in response to what i read
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>>23258978 It still just looks too edgy, and not even in a cool or ironic way and it's a trash Vroid. Please just buy a Booth model and edit the textures there, there's plenty.
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How could I use streaming to help me raise my voice and get more energetic?
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>>23259776 Are you referring to this?
>>23257304 Anonymous
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>>23260005 That’s the best way to use /asp/.
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>>23259350 It's not 4 to 6, it's more like 10 to 20 over the course of a month and a significant amount of chatting. Like I said, I'll wait another month or two before to make certain it's related, but the fact I didn't promote this in any way whatsoever and just told my viewers I was swapping and gave them a few previews over the course of a month or two I'd say there's a good chance it is. The artist never even shared it on Twitter which was a little annoying.
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Could any artfriend make a group photo of all the current gen /asp/ies?
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>>23260174 I want to pat the bnuuy
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>>23258978 you look a bit too edgy, maybe change your colors around a bit (you literally have Shadow's color scheme)
i like the spikey hair but the texture feels a bit weird
maybe exaggerate the proportions way more so you clearly look like a comical zombie but i'm not sure if that's the vibe you are looking for
i wouldn't shut down this design completely but be careful about what vibe you are giving off
also you look like Kevin Eleven from Ben 10
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>>23260133 I am, yeah. I could get more into it but it just invites more shit here that doesn't need to be.
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>>23260257 >Kevin Eleven from Ben 10 Is that real.
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>>23260189 I will but without the babis
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>>23260307 Well, I’m hardly a tourist but I really don’t think we should be linking shota porn in the thread.
Anonymous
i would like to stream story heavy h games (SEQUEL, Black Souls, THP) on pomf besides the usual stuff i would stream besides it
Anonymous
Going live again, this time playing Cruelty Squad!
I am very bad at shooters. Pls no bully https://www.twitch.tv/aingstellen Anonymous
>>23260385 >pretty sure i won't get any views regardless then why
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>>23260312 it's actually Kevin Levin but he does look like this after he absorbs the powers of the omnitrix which lead to him losing control of himself
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>>23260108 yeah, edgy isn't really what I'm going for. I want to get across the idea of a ragged zombie alongside the inherent zaniness of a concept like a zombie wizard.
Like I said, I'm not an artist. (at least not yet) I'm just hoping that I can bring this character to life well enough when I get to streaming again.
the thumbnail of my first image does kind of seem like a horror game enemy, so maybe I should tone down the dark eyes or something.
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>>23260451 He calls himself Kevin Eleven because he has all 10 of Ben's powers plus his own, which lets him absorb the qualities of things he touches.
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>>23260429 because streaming is fun and streaming h games can be even more fun
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>>23259261 It just looks edgy all around, i can't put my exact finger on it, it looks like it's ironically edgy. The eyes being red, the stiches, the colour pallete, different eye size, spiky hear, wearing a suit. There's just too much anon. Sorry, i wish I could say something nice but I can't. I would start from the ground up, look at some good zombie characters. If you're going to go edgy and want to stick with it go for a very specific chic, have a look at this pox walker from 40k. I would watch its stream cos it doubled down on being edgy.
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>>23260505 can confirm. I've been talking to myself while playing games like a lunatic for years, and now I can do so while occasionally having people respond back.
Anonymous
>>23260451 >>23260504 How old are you guys?
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>>23260373 That's true, but the whole "a drawing of what :D" shit is just ripped straight out of old tumblr posts and popular tiktoks full of misinfo that targeted kids.
Anonymous
>>23260189 sounds cool but we have A TON this gen. i followed a lot of them on twitter theres so fucking many, checking just now we have atleast 25 including the slightly older ones
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>>23260568 22
Ben 10 is an old series with tons of sequels
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>>23260568 nigga how old are you? im 25 and i know everything hes saying from watching that shit in middle school
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>>23260169 Wait then you did promote it? You can do promo stuff with pictures for 2 months... then say you did it with no promo
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>>23260455 Like I said, just buy a Booth model, learn a bit of Unity, and edit the textures, maybe add some other assets if you end up learning Unity well enough.. It's significantly easier than trying to stream with an edgy low quality model.
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>>23260617 For what it’s worth, I posted the second “drawing of what” reply without the :D and I genuinely don’t know what you’re referring to. I really don’t see why I should pretend that someone who draws shota porn isn’t a pedophile.
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oh no not the drawings=real people discussion again
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>>23260695 I didn't promote it in a way that it would attract new viewers, I showed my current viewers, that's it. It was live on stream, not on twitter or anything like that.
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>>23260628 >>23260669 I’m 26, it just barely missed me I guess. I was really just curious! I just didn’t realize I’m bumping shoulders with people nostalgic for Ben 10; I didn’t even realize it was that popular.
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>>23260455 >I'm not an artist. (at least not yet) reality says you're not going to be an artist at any rate fast enough to do what you want before the vtubing hype is long over.
>I'm just hoping that I can bring this character to life i told you this in /wvt/ drop your vroid and go get a png drawn by an artist who knows how to draw. your vroid screams 13 year old edgelord and no one is going to watch you just off that alone.
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How do you ask for fanart without asking for fanart?
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>>23260619 When do I stop being an /asp/ie. I may be taking the numbers I'm used to seeing? It feels like I've learned all the terms I've needed etc have a stable and increasing viewer base and have been doing art consistently and am profitable. Idk I guess I've graduated in a good way?
t. Pony
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>>23260735 But that’s not what I’m insisting at all. Someone who draws gay porn is probably gay, someone who draws bondage artwork probably has a BDSM fetish. I don’t really see what’s so far-fetched about what I’m saying here.
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>>23260810 it just seems like a pointless discussion that i see frequently on twitter and has no place in this thread
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>>23260743 or maybe you just didnt watch a lot of cartoon network? the original ben10 came out in 2005 and had sequels all the way to 2012, thats a 7 year window for you to catch either the OG series or alien force.
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>>23260807 Sorry I meant I may be taking the numbers I'm used to seeing on twitch to seriously. 6k 7k etc for some normie streamer is diffrent then it is for vtubers. I guess it seems super big but vtubing is still a subculture
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>>23260807 >When do I stop being an /asp/ie. never. "/asp/ie" is a distinction used for chuubas who got their start on /asp/. you don't stop being an aspie because you hit some arbitrary numbers. if you're asking this because you're afraid of growing big and being associated with 4chan as an /asp/ie you need to realize that no one outside of the 200 or so IP on /wvt/ and the front desk care. no one else does and "/asp/ie" isn't a term used on any other site.
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>>23260807 yeah nigga you have like 50 ccv idk what you are still doing here unless you find it fun. your audience is completely different than most of the anime centric vtubers as well
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>>23260455 You likely won't be an artist any time soon. Come up with some good references and contact an artist for a reacting PNG, they really don't cost much especially considering you just need a bust to start with. There's that, or the Booth route like others have said.
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>>23260807 never
callie, nelson, bodega, lex, etc will forever be /asp/ies because the were all beginners when they started here
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Post your favourite fanart of /asp/ies that you’ve seen here (or elsewhere?)
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>>23260854 I think it’s worth pursuing a little bit when I see people writing off what I have to say entirely with “you think drawings are real people” when that is pretty clearly not what I’m saying. And then to get told that I’m not a real 4chan guy or whatever for feeling that way and that actually, I’m from Twitter, TikTok and Twitter is honestly just laughable.
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>>23260880 I watched Chowder, Adventure Time and Flapjack, I just thought Ben 10 was stinky and no one else my age in town was watching it either. Today I have learned of Kevin Levin, the strongest Ben 10. Maybe too strong?
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>>23260854 The problem is really only public perception to begin with.
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Should I be premiering Youtube videos? Is there any real advantage to that over just scheduling it for a time when most of my viewers are active?
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>>23261238 >premiering do you have an active viewerbase on youtube?
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i like playing Fortnite, is that a good streaming game or bad because of oversaturation?
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>>23261257 I get ~100 views within the first 24 hours of most of my uploads if I shill them here first, but I don't know how many premier-watchers that translates to.
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>>23261438 >within the first 24 hours don't bother with premieres until you have 100 viewers within the first 20 minutes.
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I don’t know if it’s a good thing that I don’t have enough self-made art or not… I should uh… fix that?Suggestions?
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>>23261486 get back to doing your fucking stream reps.
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>>23261190 i guess your town was just more into the cal-arts lol so randumb shows and less so the actiony ones. i watched all your shows too but i also watched the action ones like ben10 and teen titans and stuff
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>>23261587 I liked Teen Titans and Megas XLR and stuff. What a weird conversation I’m having in /asp/ right now. The patrician Ben 10 fan and the normie Calarts enjoyer.
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>>23260810 >>23261122 I'll agree with this anon
>>23260854 that it shouldn't be in the thread and I'll keep it a bit short. At least with the lolicon side of things, that type of artwork has existed since the 70s, and been studied just as long. There has been nothing found to say that the majority of people who consume it are pedophiles. Compare it to people into ryona and guro not wanting anything to do with actual violence and blood/gore irl just because they consume fictional content that involves it.
Pause and Select has a series on youtube with Patrick Galbraith that covers a lot of it.
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>>23261874 So if I approached you with some drawings I made of kids jacking off you wouldn’t think that I’m sexually attracted to kids?
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>>23260980 Don't underestimate my anime following lol, at least on the main channel kek
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>>23260108 >>23260257 I think the main issues are the eyes, and maybe the hair. when I add in a pre-made set of eyes, and erase the dark circles, it looks a lot less edgy.
I'll tinker around with it a bit more, but the hair still feels off somehow.
I can't think of any anime hairstyles that could work.
Anyone got any examples or references of long and messy hair in anime? hopefully ones that work on a character who always wears a hat.
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>>23262080 please just stop. you're not skilled at vroid, you will never be skilled enough if you intend to start anytime this year. delete your files, commission a png or get a premade from booth and just start streaming.
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>>23262080 You need to do some soul-searching because this is where you're headed.
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>>23262129 >give up fuck off.
also, I've been streaming already, and updating my model slowly over time. I'm just on a break right now as I switch to a different platform.
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>>23262243 Yeah, don't wanna be that guy.
I just like the color red, and want to make it work for me without getting across the wrong idea.
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Waiting on the character designer to finish, now wondering if I made a mistake. Is my voice too generic?
https://voca.ro/13TwSzrs1DjO Anonymous
>>23262309 >as I switch to a different platform. jesas
>vroid >youtube >edgelord asthetic >updating my model slowly over time but only has these screencaps to show for it i didn't say give up. i said drop this model and get better one. maybe giving up completely is what's right for you after this unsalvagable mess.
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>>23261959 Unless the image is photoreal or features the likeness of an actual child, I would not. Not that there's a shortage of either of those online.
At worse I would think you're a bit weird for eagerly sharing it with a stranger you met on a taiwanese pottery forum.
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>>23262371 >https://voca.ro/13TwSzrs1DjO Your voice is alright,what do you mean by generic?
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>>23261528 What do you think I’ve been doing recently?
I need to decide on the weekend stream… Stardew Valley? Anonymous
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>>23262371 You need to work on enunciation a bit; some words blend together here and there, but I like your voice.
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>>23262395 You’re serious? Even if one of the drawings shows an adult man having sex with a boy, I’m not a pedophile because it’s not photorealistic?
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>>23262371 I know where you can find a snake if you're looking
I think it sounds the opposite of generic, but how long can you keep it up?
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>>23262383 I'm already a male vtuber. No one is going to watch my stuff because they like my model or voice. they'll watch because they like the content I make. I don't really see a problem with starting small and working my way up into the expensive models with tons of effects and shit.
If it makes you feel any better, I'm planning on scrubbing all the old stuff when I debut my first model made-from-scratch. either made by me, or someone I commission.
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>>23262582 >they'll watch because they like the content I make i hate this comment because i see it from a lot of you aspies and it's always taken out of context. viewers watching you because they like the content you make isn't what you need to focus on when you're getting 1.3 viewer averages over 30 days. you're trying to tackle the wrong problem.
no one will care about your content because no one cares about you. no one cares about you because they don't know who you are. solve the problems in the correct order and stop skipping ahead to solve future problems when you can't even see what's stopping you on step 1.
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>>23262731 so I need a decent model to get noticed?
Isn't that what I'm in this thread to do? I'm trying to get advice on how to make it better, and I've just gotten:
>It's edgy >refuses to elaborate and
>just get a png instead neither of which really help me.
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>>23262837 yeah i got nothing. i agree with the other anon your shit's unsalvagable. >we don't even have a full body pic just these zoomed in screencaps. just saying that your priorities are misplaced and you need to stop being so stubborn about doing things the wrong way.
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>>23262731 Unless you're making absolutely god tier Youtube videos, which no one here is, the "they'll watch for my content" thing is meaningless. They aren't watching you because they don't know you exist and if they DO know you exist and still aren't watching or are leaving (a stat you can see that'll likely crush any /asp/ie) then there's a very good chance you or your content are the problem.
Significantly more unique viewers than average is absolutely normal and fine, but if you find the number is constantly staying the same or growing then it means, despite more people knowing who you are and where to find you, they're still leaving
https://dashboard.twitch.tv/u/CHUUBANAME/channel-analytics Anonymous
>>23262371 What design did you go for? Your voice gives mommy vibes
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is nijisanji still looking at applications? im getting worried :(
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>>23262837 >refuses to elaborated multiple people did
>just get a png multiple people explained how you should go about that. Stop being retarded and selective about which advice you acknowledge.
Your options are
A. Hire an artist. Gather up some references (hair, body type, clothing, accessories, faces, different characters who fit the overall look you're going for etc), type of a SHORT description of a few sentences describing what you're looking for that include the overall mood you're looking for (serious, carefree, smug, etc.) and a short description of what you have in mind including things you'd like to avoid (for me it was always facial hair, fur collars, and short hair), and anything else IMPORTANT you feel you should include. Don't go full on OC lore, that shit doesn't matter unless it's related to how the character looks.
B. Buy a model from
Booth.PM like the OP suggests and learn how to use Unity to add a few accessories then modify the skin textures to suit your need, a model from that website will put your quality well above any new chuuba and well above a lot of established chuubas in general.
C. Continue on with your terrible look Vroid.
Anonymous
Do people set obs to play music files depending on the scene or do people just use youtube
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>>23263180 i have a music file in my OBS that's linked to multiple scenes using Paste as Reference and not Duplicate. it lets me switch from scene to scene without missing a beat on the music. example being the bgm for my just chatting and brb scenes.
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>>23262532 100%
I don't care what sort of fictionalized content you're into as long as what draws you to consume it is the fiction.
It's straight up the violent video games argument. Playing call of duty doesn't make you a monster, and neither does watching prisma illya.
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>>23262395 Please do not have kids.
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>>23263180 I use my browser for music
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>>23263246 I guess where this stops making sense to me is that I don’t think what draws someone to drawing a grown man having sex with a child is “the fiction,” I think what draws them is a sexual interest in an adult having sex with a child. Which is why I feel like I can comfortably call that person a pedophile.
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>>23263161 the advice I asked for was how to make the model I had look better, or advice on character design.
One of the anons saying it was too edgy even said he couldn't put his finger on it. At most, someone said it could have been the colors.
People have made good Vroid models before, a few of them are on Booth like you said, but I don't want to spend the money on a decent model right now, and I'd much rather decide on the design myself.
Anonymous
>>23262532 I guess you're not a real pedophile until your technique improves, huh?
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>>23262422 It’s not particularly high nor low, and I have a typical northeastern burgerland accent. A lot of chuuba concepts I’ve seen/heard careen between very young and very ”adult”; I don’t see my voice as particularly suitable to either edge.
>>23262549 That voice, I imagine, I could keep up for a few hours. Other things, I would need more practice in.
>>23262952 A smug elf.
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>>23263473 >but I don't want to spend the money on a decent model right now, and I'd much rather decide on the design myself. do you want to be a chuuba or are you larping an OC that you came up with as a teenager? there's another male like you who claimed the same thing you are saying right now and stubbornly defended his design.
https://twitter.com/ZylpheRenuis https://sullygnome.com/channel/zylpherenuis/180 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFAra6_eVyumQiP1zZys2jA he was malehera about larping his mute OC and refused to budge on that point. the same way you're malehera about this retarded zombie wizard design. look at his numbers. he's creating content he wants to and that's how much people like to watch him for the content he makes. you are on a fast track to this exact end state.
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can i get an opinion on my voice
i've been working on getting better for a while and i want to know if i'm good enough to make it my thing yet
https://voca.ro/13DtNBkiHBXR Anonymous
>>23263851 delete this and do another one if you talking unless you plan to sing the entire time on your streams.
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>>23263640 you're comparing something retarded like not talking to just being a zombie. (the wizard thing is just the hat) it's just a theme that I think I could play well. what few viewers I had seem to think it works well enough, it's just that the undead aspect wasn't self evident.
I'm willing to take advice from people I can trust to know what they're talking about. Not saying I don't need advice on how to grow my brand, but I'm here right now asking for the one thing 4Chan seems best versed in, anime character design.
Maybe I'd just be better off making huge/no titty pink catgirl number 27459173?
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>>23263959 >but I'm here right now asking for the one thing 4Chan seems best versed in, anime character design. cringe.
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>>23263905 https://vocaroo.com/1i7L0HW7uXjv obviously i don't plan to, i just want to make a lot of covers.
i haven't worked much on voice acting because i'm not sure about the necessity
i feel a normal voice is better than bad voice acting
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>>23263959 Generic pink catgirl would be an improvement. If you really like red, use it as an accent color, don't go red and black.
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>>23264131 Both your singing and your speaking are completely generic but generic female is good enough to get 10 viewers
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>>23264004 Nigga, I'm a 23 year old dude trying to ask other incels about how to make a cartoon character I pretend to be for other people on the internet look prettier.
If you didn't expect cringe, I don't know what to tell you.
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>>23264236 I enjoy how I can tell you're going to remain a perma 2view just by your posts in this thread, from the staunch defense of things you claim you don't really care about to these anemic attempts at humour
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>>23264337 Nah nigga he’s cool! Nigga!
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>>23264236 >Nigga i can taste the boiled chicken on your lips. don't say this, you're not impressing anyone.
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>>23263513 You'll be fine
, please post links when you start Anonymous
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>>23258978 The stitches are so small that they'll be nearly unnoticeable when the model is smaller on an actual stream. If you didn't tell me this was a zombie I would have never of guessed that the black part of the face was anything but a skin condition
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>>23262243 im already too far gone bro
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>>23258001 There's an anime where a guy transforms into a twin-tailed magical loli.
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>>23263513 >A smug elf. LINK RIGHT NOW
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>>23264994 Cutie!
Please tell me you're not keeping the rest though Anonymous
>>23264994 Hey drawfriend, do you think that someone who draws a grown man fucking a boy is a pedophile or no?
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>>23264994 Motherfucker, lace those boots properly
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>>23265347 Lame taste
What is "Papa's Thursday" supposed to be?
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>>23265407 it's the best flash game of all time that gets reskinned 30 times
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>>23265407 you are probably right, i will replace fortnite with any roguelite and ranking stuff to just a zatsu
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>>23265148 i want to add the meme elements as a toggleable thing down the line, im stupid as fuck so i think its funny
>>23265266 i would never draw it but i would fap to it so wrong guy to ask
>>23265288 nah bro im hood
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>>23261486 I'm honestly sick of seeing your png. you can't decide if you want to draw yourself? can you make any decision alone? should I wipe your ass too while I'm at it?
Anonymous
>>23264994 What's your process? How did you go from buff tomboy to this masterpiece?
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>>23265872 >i would never draw it but i would fap to it so wrong guy to ask Would you call yourself a pedophile?
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>>23257603 >No outnumbering Yes 2:1 Non-babis run this fucking thread!
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>>23265872 >i would never draw it but i would fap to it so wrong guy to ask based
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>>23263473 You can't make the character any better, at least not enough to matter. You lack the artistsic skill and that much is very clear. Comm and artist, buy a cheap booth model, or just continue on and ignore everyone's advice. OTHERS have made good Vroids, and those people are typically experienced artists or even 3D modelers, neither of which you are.
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>>23263473 nta but your model is fine for what you're going for. get streaming!
>>23266272 why do you bother with these people? your time is more valuable than this.
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How viable is an indie retro chuuba on twitch in comparison to YouTube?
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does the anxiety eat you alive and it turns you on?
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Babis STILL run this fucking thread!
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>>23266512 Babis can have this thread!
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>>23265918 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1458373266 i stream my process every saturday and i record everything not streamed for timelapse so if you actually want to see my process you can check it out
>>23265983 obviously no
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>>23266841 >obviously no Why not?
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>>23266841 Naruhodo, i already follow you tho, i guess i should clear my schedule and catch a full stream
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>>23266924 i will upload the full timelapse on youtube as well if you want to wait for that, most of my work is done off stream anyways
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I wanted to be a vtuber but then I remembered that no one cares about male vtubers so I never went through with it. The end.
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>>23267488 Its not that bad anon, you just wont receive any money for being cute, and people will be much less likely to click on your streams -- and if you get too close to a female her fans won't be very happy...
Just be a facecam streamer...
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I'm going to self post finally. It's felt kind of bad being terminally /here/ and considering all of you my favorite chuubas but not sharing my own progress with you guys.am i cute?
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>>23267488 There is a market now that Luxiem blew up. You just gotta have sex appeal
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>>23267808 You rang, my boy?
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>>23259487 >>23259494 >>23259644 Cope YWBAW
He's literally right and you tranny's took it to heart like holy shit. You know the only way of attracting people with your uninteresting personality is shoving a female avatar in some virgins face.
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>>23262080 Honest advice my man. I started with a Vroid model myself. It was hot garbage, but I had fun with it. I barely got 2ccv, but I didn't care because I wanted to see if Vtubing was for me. I decided it was, and then took my Vroid as a base reference to a designer, asked them to make it not shit and provided a bunch of other references. I'll be ready to stream in a few weeks with a much improved model and a mindset for growth, because the Vroid model told me that while it was unwatchable janky, It was something I enjoyed doing and that It should be improved.
If you already streamed with that... "avatar", and you'll know you'll enjoy it, go ahead and commission one yourself. But the other anons are giving you a good and honest warning when they're saying that you're not going to leave rock bottom with that. I'm counting my blessings that I wasn't this stupid. Just bite the bullet, you'll be surprisingly satisfied with the results.
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>>23260425 Thank you everybody that came to my stream and kept me company! Had a little
alot of scuff
and also I am very easily scared. Rip to anyone's ears that were present for that part. I toned down the volume after I realized.
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>>23260455 Dude you're fucking fine. I see people like you all the time, and even worse live2D ones that look like they're hand drawn by a child. Here is my first model on vroid for comparison giga shitty but I've improved it a lot over time. Unironically all that matters is what you do with that character, it seems like it's something you want so it'll fit in with your personality better. Autist on here wanna be perfectionist for their 0 view streams, which is literally everyone on here.
That being said I wish you luck mans!
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>>23258978 Did a quick paintover of some design suggestions cause its easier for me. I beg you to not use the base vroid skin texture and get something like this or at least DIY it somehow
https://booth.pm/en/items/1281001 Anonymous
>>23267904 I'm not expecting to really go anywhere using a Vroid. I just wanted these anons to actually answer the questions I set out about design and stuff. I'm basically doing the same thing you did. I'm learning blender in order to make my own model in the future, and if that doesn't work out, I'm saving up money to buy one soon enough.
but yeah, I had about 2 regulars before my brother doxxed me, and I had to start over. So now that I've got another chance at a debut I'm trying to take it a bit more seriously than I did before. (ie. actually learning how to use OBS and Vroid before I actually use them.)
there's probably no harm in trying to get a little bit ahead of the curve while all I've got is time.
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>>23267984 I was watching for a while, you're pretty fun! Hope you had a nice time!
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>>23266886 Post the full one coward
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>>23268216 I did! I'm slowly working on stream endurance by hour increments, since my usual 2 hours might be stunting my growth a bit. I'll review the VOD later on to see how I did but I hope my stream was good throughout!
>>23268110 I'm not the brightest bulb anon pls forgive me.. I don't know if there even is a real word for the product of a necromancy instead of the act itself.. It still works right? Kind of?
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>>23268323 >It still works right? Kind of? No, it reads like you're esl. You'd have to say you're the product of botched necromancy or a botched necromantic spell/ritual/experiment etc
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>>23268406 okie dokie anon TwT
I fixed it now
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>>23267732 >https://vocaroo.com/1i7L0HW7uXjv beary | cute, would pat on the head like a little sister.
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>>23267488 >one cares about male vtubers This is partially true in the sense that nobody will come to your stream on model alone. Think regular YouTubers like pyrocynical or gradeAUnderA who have shitty designs but provide great content. The top people in YouTube in general are male streamers such as mizkiz, sykunno, and dream who has never face revealed. You essentially have to make it, by having good content like any other YouTuber the vtuber aspect of it personally for me is the part that I like that keeps me going, it's more like an identity and that alone, not my content .
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>>23268588 fuck me, I shouldn't drunkpost. greentext has nothing to do with the reply.
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>>23268588 CHARLOTTE WHY ARE YOU /ASP/
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>>23268175 that's really cool. I'll definitely use some of those design ideas later on.
Right now I'm not really using a skin texture, I just kind of painted over the whole thing with what skin color I wanted. It was just easier to deal with even though I know there are more effective ways to do that. I'll look in to getting a better texture.
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>>23268652 anon, your aim!
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>>23268788 Dictionary
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"necromantic spells"
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>>23268653 WHITE FLAT CHARLOTTE
/ASP/ WAS BIZARRO /WVT/ THE WHOLE TIME
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>>23268872 Link more /asp/ies back to their /wvt/ alternates. There has to be more.
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Is really cool anon here? How do we network in twitter if we decide to lean more towards prerecorded content for youtube (eg. nux) and not aiming for the typical vtuber audience?
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>>23268181 Other anons gave plenty of advice on that front. the Vroid model I used and the one I commissioned look radically different, and it should because 2d has none of the limitations of Vroid. If you think all of the advice was trash, then disregard what they said and go to an artist that does character design commissions. It's going to be pricey, but if you didn't know that ahead of time, that's on you. And that's more than just the model, btw.
Don't try to get ahead of the curve when you have stuff to do that's right ahead of you. I think you've got your priorities a little backwards here, but I wish you the best of luck.
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>>23269221 >How do we network in twitter Talk to people
>think networking with chuubas would secure that niche audience Sure but first you would have to find someone that can actually get you views, second someone who is willing to do the first but put their rep on the line for you.
The only people who would network with you are other people in your same situation, a catch 22 really.
You would have to be popular in the first place to get valuable people to network with. Either that or provide a useful skill such as being an editor or artist for a YouTuber
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>>23268945 I literally went to watch that video when I read the post.
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>>23267488 There's too many successful males out there to even have this mindset any more, you're just lazy and scared you won't succeed so you won't even try.
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>>23269440 You hit the crux anon.
Basically this.
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>>23269440 i used to ritualpost on /wvt/ back before there were as many successful males as there are now with an image of at least 25 successul males. Some of them fell off, but now there's even more of them of all different varieties and content types. I had "funny" ones, sexy ones, traps and femboys, fairly normal ones, and just normal ones. "I'm male ;(" isn't a valid excuse any more considering that was months ago.
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>>23269221 prerecorded content tends to do a bit better on reddit. if you cater to specific sub reddits you might get something going. i've seen literally youtube careers made off of reddit blowing up 1-2 videos of theirs and then the algorithm begins recommending their entire library to everyone with similar interests
livestreaming does a bit better being marketed on twitter since on twitter you are advertising your personality to entice people into interacting with you on stream, reddit is entirely content focused
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>>23269760 didn't like a solid quarter of that list get cancelled in some way though lmao
i agree that males can be successful though and people who think otherwise are bitches
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>>23269760 I feel like it's the fact that most people who post here are guys/holosimps and will watch anime tiddies only. But there are a bunch of up and coming male vtubers pic related
https://youtu.be/Z7FOdjzkVmI Anonymous
>>23269861 Three were "cancelled". Kitty, Taiga, and Frost. I used to speak to Kitty personally before and after it happened and he was completely admonished by the accuser who admits she overreacted when calling him out and the "dozens" of girls who came forward had no substantial evidence and many were found to be lying. That part unsurprisingly didn't get nearly as much attention the accusation.
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>>23269440 to be fair, only the "hnnng im topping your bussy and knocking up your ass womb" ones do extraordinarily well. i havent looked hard but theres not a whole lot of variety especially when it comes to corpo
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>>23269909 Holy shit why is EVERYONE NAMED FUCKING KENJI
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>>23269909 Honestly I don't like including Kenji now that I'm aware of his history. He's not some new random that just became a Vtuber. He was an experienced streamer and content creator that became one with a set plan and was very organized. He's not just an exception because he went viral, he's an exception in every sense out there.
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>>23270045 Wait why was Frost cancelled?
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>>23270141 Just a sex pest, minor shit really. Made a couple girls uncomfortable but nothing major.
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>>23270061 Were you a Kenji too?
But in all fairness It does rythme with genji
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>>23270127 So it's like the people pointing at Bahroo as a successful male vtuber when he already had a massive audience?
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>>23270171 Ah should've expected that
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>>23261117 I've had fan animations and stuff but, it's gr15 the other stuff is not suitable for Christian boards
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>>23270220 Not exactly, he didn't have much of an audience prior he was just experienced and took that experienced. He was poised and guaranteed success from thetmoment he became a vtuber and did have a sizeable community to begin with.
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>>23270409 >>23270127 >guaranteed success No such thing otherwise he would of done it while being a regular streamer. Other than that you're pretty much spot on. He is known for his vtubing and not his old content really, not saying it didn't help, but he still managed to attract an audience doing what people are saying is an exemption
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>>23270046 You've never actually watched any males besides shxtou have you?
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>>23270759 Nobody on this fucking board watches streams.
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>>23270920 That's one of the biggest problems. I'm not an /asp/ie but try and come here to help. I learned the most about streaming from watching other streamers, not even really Vtubers.
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>>23270574 That's not necessarily true, there's a decent number people who had mediocre or non-existent viewership until they became a Vtuber and suddenly had an easy audience to target. Obviously success can't be 100% guaranteed, but to say they'd be just as successful had he done 100% the same activities but as an IRL streamer isn't necessarily true.
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Anon sure is angry tonight
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>>23272098 GO FUCK YOURSELF STUPID FUCK I HATE GOU you
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>>23273039 Dude. You’re embarrassing yourself.
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>>23267732 UOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH ToT
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>get yelled at by anon because selfpost too much >feel like shit, want to just stop everything for a while
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>>23273421 You're on 4chan not reddit man the fuck up. You know what you signed up for bodysuit anon
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I don't understand why women make a loli model then pretend "uoh sex child tummy erotic tot" isn't the exact reaction they're fishing for
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>>23273605 if there's one thing I'm happy with, it's my model. The rest of my content is a big WIP. Anonymous
>>23273667 Plausible deniability, anon. Owning up to uooooohhhh child tummy erotic is a fast track to getting you cancelled and potentially banned.
The good ones will play coy about it, the bad ones will get on a soapbox about muh real children. Learn the difference and you will be a true cunny connoisseur in no time.
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>>23273667 Because if they don't, they then you get blacklisted or worse.
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>>23273809 speaking of "real children"...
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>>23270759 well i did say "extraordinarily well" especially in the context of EN. i gave every single nijien male a solid like 5 minutes each and really really tried to watch some of their gen collabs like the valorant ones but they dont have much to say and their gameplay sucks. when it comes to males i really like chaika but theres just no equivalent in EN from what i can tell, its just gay shit or bfe asmr
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>>23274099 Yeah that poll was a wakeup call to leave /asp/ I think. Bye bye
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>>23274561 See ya tomorrow anon.
Final Hitler
>>23274656 I don’t think you will. I really only show up to post Hitlers now.
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>>23274721 So Hitler's the 2nd vote...
Final Hitler DLC !fcpgVPV9qQ
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>>23274757 I was the first one, actually.
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>>23274954 Oyasumimir anon-kun!
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Hey /asp/ I'm still looking to improve my voice and audio setup, I'll talk about the latter in a bit, but I'm still in that mindset of really wanting to get rid of my accent or at least adapt my talking to something that's more pleasant to listen to. A lot of people have said that i should just listen to my voice more to get used to it, but now that i listened to almost all my vods in the past two months, I've grown to dislike my voice even more. Now i know this is subjective and a lot of people have said my voice is "fine", but fine isn't what i'm looking for. I want it possibly be a reason why people watch me, because i'm trying to appeal to the comfy / voices to fall asleep to crowd as i don't have the desire / energy to be hyper and i don't want to be just generic either.
I would like to do reading streams and do VA reps live too, since they could spice up my retro game playthroughs a bit more, but my voice needs something. For those who don't know my voice yet here's a recent stream (
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1466818988?t=0h15m45s )
If you know any ESL with deep voices, especially european or even german that you think have enjoyable voices i'd like to see them. I know shylily is german for example but somehow i feel like her accent is working a lot in her favor also she's female. I feel like i end up having this nasaly voice and i hate stuff like pronouncing "that" as "dat". I know getting rid of an accent needs active training, but i'd like to hear some examples of chuubas or strimmers with male sex voices + accents as a starting point. I've listened to vox, but i think i'll never get that clear of an english voice.
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>>23275376 >I've grown to dislike my voice even more this is a meaningless statement unless you are point out specifically what about your voice you dislike and exactly why you dislike it. your current answer is "it's not like other people's voices" which is a useless answer.
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>>23275499 >I feel like i end up having this nasaly voice and i hate stuff like pronouncing "that" as "dat". he literally spells out at least one of the problems
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>>23275376 >i hate stuff like pronouncing "that" as "dat" I feel like there's certain things about being ESL that make more sense to embrace than to try and hide or get rid of. Obviously there's better accents or regional dialects/accents that are better to have than others, but overall they should be embraced as a good thing as long as your actual grasp of the language is good.
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>>23274099 If you like pictures of kids then yes you're a pedo or hebe. It doesn't matter if it's real or not. If you liked a bunch of gay furry porn it would probably hint at you being more gay then not. However, being a pedo or hebe isn't uncommon. Hebes range from high-school throughout. And as long as you understand the difference between fantasy and reality you're fine. I just wouldn't be openly proud about it lol.
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>>23275376 bitch I've seen your streams and you speak fluently and your accent isn't an obstacle to be understood, just take it easy.
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>>23276865 nta and I have zero stake in this convo, but i've always wondered what someone else mentioned about the whole "violent games make you violent" thing. I used to think game like MK were cool as shit when I was younger but never once desired to see any human gored or killed even though in the game it was entertaining. The same goes for things like shooters or being the villain in more open ended games. obviously id never damn an entire universe for ultimate control or sacrifice my sister for a magical sword and infinite power IRL, so why is it only the loli/shota thing where its equated?
oh and what game should i stream?
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>>23275376 Part of the reason why so many actors are memorable is because of their accents, why the fuck would you want to get rid of something that helps you stand out?
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>>23277024 Well see that's the thing. For one you can seek out media to fill a desire you have. Like I'm going to look at specific porn after this because I'm into it. And most people do have extreme violent urges but as studies show video games actually help eliminate those urges. But even then youre putting the cart before the horse. You don't watch gay porn to become gay. You watch it because you're gay.
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>>23275376 I find Julian Krause to have a pleasant enough voice to listen to:
https://youtube.com/c/JulianKrause Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with your voice, but if you want me to nitpick, I'd say try enunciating your words more. Alternatively, reduce your menhera levels.
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>>23277024 Also play overwatch 2 obviously dumb dumb
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>>23277024 We’re not insisting that liking shota and loli makes you a rapist or a sex offender, just that it’s a sign that you’re likely a pedophile. There are plenty of pedophiles out there that do no harm. Even lots of lolicons and shotacons themselve admit that they are pedophiles, but the ones reading this thread don’t seem to want to.
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The month is ending. How are you coping with not being picked?
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>>23277575 By not having applied in the first place.
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>>23263391 What does consuming porn where a cartoon woman is being fucked by a cartoon dog put me? I know one thing for certain, I'd be disgusted and mortified if I actually saw it in real life.
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>>23277655 Are we talking Goofy or Pluto.
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>>23277753 On all 4s, weird dick
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>>23277890 You obviously have a bestiality fetish. You just also aren’t anywhere near evil enough to rape a dog in real life.
Also, if you ever wanted an opportunity to explain why you’re turned on by cartoon humans getting fucked by cartoon dogs, now is your chance.
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>>23277985 I don't see how liking or drawing loli or shota equates you to being a pedophile. They're all just cartoon dogs to me. The term pedophile to me implies you find real children attractive, which is far from the case.
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>>23277199 That's a cool channel, good for audio nerd stuff too, neat voice too thanks! Good to see my fellow landsmanns seem to be doing good work. And i think I'm soon gonna reach menhera levels that shouldn't be possible.
>>23276930 It's less about it being a hindrance, but more about how do i turn my voice into a redeeming quality. I want to plan for my debut, I'll be playing a male character so having a good voice becomes more important, because as a babi nothing matters anyways. If I'm to record teasers and clips in the future, i want to voice them do some VA. I'm at the point where my streams are "fine", but fine isn't gonna make it. I have to pick a couple avenues where I want to excel otherwise I'll just blend in with all the others.
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>>23278356 You're being too pedantic about your voice it's fine.
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>>23278234 Then you’re in denial, no offense. I’m assuming we’re talking specifically about porn with lolis and shotas and not just drawings of kids being cute.
Why else would you be drawn to this stuff unless you have, on some level, a genuine sexual attraction to images of children? I would imagine the childlike personalities of the characters depicted also contribute to this attraction, right?
I’m not accusing you of being a sexual predator or a rapist anon, just a pedophile.
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>>23278356 >I have to pick a couple avenues where I want to excel otherwise I'll just blend in with all the others. Name some avenues larger vtubers "excel" at moreso than some of their smaller counterparts, besides just being better at the more baseline skills that make a streamer? Actual talents or skills these streamers have that sets them apart. Obviously there's some exceptions for people like Iron Mouse who are one in a million with actual professional-tier talents, but that didn't even come out until she was already near the top.
Just to use a random example, why do you believe this guy is more successful than other guys doing the exact same thing?
https://www.twitch.tv/riikamivt Anonymous
>>23278356 besides lack of experience, which comes with time, one of the biggest things holding you back is your fucking hangups on the stupidest shit
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>>23278356 >I have to pick a couple avenues where I want to excel this doesn't exist. stop looking for it.
being a chuuba is one thing, being an entertainer. there are a limited set of skills that fall into being a good entertainer. either you have them or you need to work on them but you will never find some undiscovered "avenue" that hasn't already been done before that will magically get you success.
being a streamer is something that has been refined as a "career" for more than 10 years. the things people do, they keep doing because it works. over the last 10 years, more people have experimented with unorthodox content styles than you can even think of. most of them weren't successful which is why you don't see them. news flash, you're not going to be the one to usher in a new format of streaming that's never been done before.
that fact that your streams are "fine" already puts you miles ahead. the problem isn't finding "avenues" you excel at. the problem is getting more people outside of the /asp/ thread of the /vt/ board of 4chan to know you exist.
this is what i mean when i say i'm so pissed when i see aspies repeat shit like "i want my viewers to love me for the content i make" you don't have viewers. no one knows you exist. fix the problems in the right order and stop trying to do retarded shit.
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>>23278480 >I would imagine the childlike personalities of the characters depicted also contribute to this attraction, right? NTA but as a hardcore lolicon I am always disappointed to find out that other lolicons prefer their lolis to be mature, mentally. When someone says they're one it really feels like a coin flip between people who like petite (or even childish) bodies, and people who want more than that.
My 2 cents is that yeah, you can be attracted to lolis and not like it IRL, just like you can like violence but not be attracted to it IRL.
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>>23273809 >Owning up to uooooohhhh child tummy erotic is a fast track to getting you cancelled and potentially banned. Citation needed?
None of the smoltubers have gotten cancelled or banned yet. From top to bottom:
Gawr Gura goes around putting "Cute and Funny" awards over her drawings and encouraged Laplus when she said that Calli is a lolicon.
Shondo already made lewds of herself and then argued that it was totally fine and said that people who don't like loli should be gatekept.
Alice Alucard... Jezas, just open her twitter.
Non-loli centric vtubers who admit to being vtubers also don't seem to catch flack for it. See Melody or Saruei who already admitted to it openly.
If anything, it seems the loli lobby holds so much power that you should kneel.
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>>23279605 >only has examples of vtubers that are literally too big to fail Anonymous
Is it wise for people who have ikemen models to openly lust over 2d girls? Like having a stream exclusively about harem series, best girls, tomboys, milfs, etc.
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>>23279883 >Alice Alucard is too big to fail Wow, your bar must be awfully low eh? She's got 40 viewers at most on a good day.
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>>23279883 >List 3 different people at varying states of success (Biggest corpo, somewhat big indie, small indie) >Urr only listing specific people I hope you find a different hill to die on, anon.
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>>23279605 >>23279605 People here are still under the impression that the opinion of other chuubas who would've never otherwise known they existed or engaged with their content matters, though using a bunch of "untouchables" and one person who is very much a "lone wolf" and has had plenty of people go after her for it. In the end it genuinely does not matter because the only people who care are other chuubas.
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>>23279928 >Like having a stream exclusively about harem series, best girls, tomboys, milfs, etc. yes this would be retarded. the point of an ikemen model is to appeal to fujos who self insert. by saying you lust after 2d girls just reveals that you're a pathetic weeb behind the model and breaks all immersion.
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>>23279605 Reminder that marine admitted to being such an actual pedophile that she said she had to stop masturbating to loli because she was planning on molesting a kid in real life and nobody said anything
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>>23280070 >nobody said anything >marine different cultures and different positions in terms of clout. not applicable to aspies.
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>>23280037 What? Kitty, Frost, and Aisriale have done this plenty and are fine. You're overthinking it.
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>>23278665 something about his model pisses me off...
you and
>>23278964 make good points. I believe this is more to appease my own brainworms, but i also think that an attractive voice isn't the most "unorthodox" thing in the world. Yes it might be 100% subjective anyways, but in the end I want to put out content i can at least say I'm somewhat proud of. Not sure if i would even stay a chuuba for long if all i can say is "damn this stream was shit but at least 500 people watched it".
Despite what
>>23278800 thinks i really liked the stream i posted, except for the fact that it's my voice. Ah well, i guess I'm overthinking it and i should just ignore my voice altogether.
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>>23280114 and you think some aspiefag asking this on 4chan has the charisma and voice acting of those 3 to pull it off?
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>>23280070 Nothing that happens to a corpo is applicable to an indie, they can literally get away with anything especially if they're Japanese. You are not Japanese and you do not belong to a huge organization. You are a random person who is completely independent and have no buffer whatsoever.
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>>23280070 >>23280097 Admitting to being a pedo is a bit too much. Marine could only get away with it because japanese and big corpo.
That being said, I'm still waiting for someone to point out to me someone, high or low, who got "cancelled" for being a lolicon.
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>>23280147 No, and neither did they starting out. You're still overthinking it entirely.
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>>23278480 The majority of the people that you're talking to here disagree with you but they're the ones in denial. Ogey.
>Why else would you be drawn to this stuff unless you have, on some level, a genuine sexual attraction to images of children? They're images of lines in the shape of weird alien creatures made up of bright, unrealistic colours. This is why it's a semiotics argument. You keep insisting that the signifiers at play here, the words "loli/shota" and "child," both invoke the same concepts in the people who consume the media you're talking about. For the majority of people, they aren't interchangeable.
You're trying to argue the thoughts of people who consume a type of media that you don't, while those people tell you that you're wrong.
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>>23280070 >>23280169 One of the things BungoTaiga said and got cancelled over for was saying that he had fantasies of his gym teacher touching him when he was underage.
He's still +500 CCV.
This bothers me, thinking about it. The only thing that needs to happen for cancellations to stop happening, is that people need to stop caring about them.
Evidence shows that viewers don't care at all, but it seems chuubas are still afraid of it (See: Bungo retaining his viewers but losing business partners like his artist and people he's collabed with). We're legitimately this close to making cancellations not matter, other vtubers just need to stop wise up.
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>>23280169 Shimo got hit hard for it at some point but they've bounced back. I think Melody was involved in throwing her under the bus even, despite Mel being an open shotacon.
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>>23280427 >The only thing that needs to happen for cancellations to stop happening, is that people need to stop caring about them. when you realize that these "cancellations" are more about clout chasing for the person doing the cancelling, the more it makes sense. it's just an opportunity for everyone to virtue signal about their moral high grounds and get a bunch of likes and retweets.
but in reality, the only impact it has on the chuuba is a 2 week vacation playing games on their off accounts before coming back with bigger numbers.
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>>23280365 >They're images of lines in the shape of weird alien creatures made up of bright, unrealistic colours. This is why it's a semiotics argument. And these images and vibrant colors happen to resemble what, again? What is it that these specific arrangements of lines and colors are conveying to lolicons and shotacons? This is a very flimsy argument you’ve got here.
You sound like a genuinely stupid person. You can go ahead and think that you won since I’ve resorted to an ad hominem, if that makes this all easier for you to deal with.
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>uohhhhh weird alien creature belly and chest erotic
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can you lolifaggots fuck off to your own thread? it's enough that we have edgelord vroids and insecure ESLs refusing to do their reps and looking for easy shortcuts to making it. we don't need your retarded takes shitting up the thread even more.
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>>23280758 Fiction. They symbolize fiction. Something fake that was made up; that doesn't and can't exist by virtue of the fundamental fact that they aren't real. My argument is at least backed by over 50 years of content and basic linguistic concepts. Your point is just that both make you feel ewy so they must be the same.
>>23280868 blame me for falling for the bait, but I'm stopping here so don't worry about my side of things anymore at least
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>>23281011 Yes, fiction. Fictional children. You really seem to be dancing around the fact that these are sexualized depictions of fictional children in every single argument you’ve made here.
I mean, if I was seeking out 2D gay porn wouldn’t you say I’m maybe a little more gay than straight? I didn’t go to basic linguistic school and I don’t even have a single year of content to back this up, to be fair. Maybe I could draw two dudes 69ing in a non-gay way and I’m just ignorant of the depth of the semiotics at play there and their relationship with reality.
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>>23280427 >losing business partners like his artist >500 CCV Both of these are wrong
He kept his artist, he even got another model from them and one came out saying "Not my fault what my client does." and he can barely hit 400 most days. One thing to keep in mind though is that he's seen zero growth in a year despite almost constantly being on the rise from Day 1 and slowly but surely been on the decline.
Taiga would likely be at 1k+ viewers right now if he hadn't alienated so many chuubas, ruined his collaboration and industry opportunities, and burned every single bridge out there. He was the biggest "from zero" male until Kenji came along and had no reason to stagnate aside from his "cancelling".
While he got lucky and stagnated in an amazing spot (on top of the money he got from the schizo), say the same happens to you at the 20-30 viewer range, then what?
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>>23281608 I assure you its right.
Sadly the tweet I learned it from (
https://twitter.com/mazamuno/status/1394758184280207364 ) has been deleted, but at least one artist he was commissioning did drop him.
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>>23281679 Oh I found the Twitlonger. That's not as bad as I thought since the model was finished for weeks. Still, the rest does ring true. Barely hits 400CCV, lost all future opportunities, completely stagnate and even losing viewers, etc. He got lucky and was cancelled at the top, fucking yourself over out the gate really doesn't make much sense and if he had done this at let's say 50 viewers, he definitely wouldn't be where he is now considering how quickly he made it into the in-crowd at the time.
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Gotten into the knack of drawing my own accessories/clothing for certain events and streams
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>>23261486 you don't need to attach the same three pictures to your posts in general. When you're self-promo-ing, or whatever, go for it, but not just random pictures.
But what purpose does self-made art have? You've been posting and shilling super frequently, menhering about "guys are my ears too pointy in this png", and all it's done is give you antis, and at least one creep who's obsessed with the design... But doesn't say good stuff about the stream.
Do your streaming(plus) reps. So not just streaming, but practice talking in a clear voice, video editing, filling dead-air, VA skills, etc
With VA skills, it can be as simple as altering the pitch and tempo of your voice. Personally, I imagine having to talk around certain shaped inflatable things in my mouth, to push things into certain resting positions, and that's good enough to have distinct voices.
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>>23282346 >all it's done is give you antis I'm with this guy. I'm not an anti but I'll absolutely never check out your stream. Granted I'm not your target audience to begin with it should still be a decent indicator that how you're acting is consistently annoying people. You refuse to listen to any advice, you obsess over the most minute bullshit the same way Kaiser does (except you're worse than him in every way), and you for some reason are doing everything in your power to do things that actually improve your stream, skills, and content.
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The day of reckoning for bodysuit anon finally came… I never thought I would see it
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>>23282523 >and you for some reason are doing everything in your power to do things that actually improve your stream, skills, and content. That's a good thing, anon.
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>>23282631 Oh i meant "to avoid doing", not sure how i even ended up with that.
>doing everything in your power to avoid doing things that actually improve your stream, skills, and content Anonymous
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Mashimyu’s vods….
