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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 03:19:27 No.23325311 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>23325828 >>23327855 >>23348673

This is a thread to discuss vtubers playing roguelikes and roguelites

>What is a roguelike
http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php/Berlin_Interpretation
Examples include Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead, Dwarf Fortress’ Adventure Mode, Nethack, Elona and Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

>What is a roguelite
Everything else such as Hades, Risk of Rain, Darkest Dungeon, Faster than Light, Noita and Vampire Survivors, etc.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 03:21:26 No.23325408 Report

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first for ame

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 03:30:34 No.23325828 Report

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>>23325311
I love watching people play some Binding of Isaac and FTL

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 03:30:57 No.23325848 Report

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I think what is really needed is a rebuild of a a classic roguelike with palatable graphics and animation, as well as tips to handhold zoomers ("You can THROW Mjolnir. If you are a Valkyrie, Mjolnir will return to you 99% of the time! Did you know that if you are BLIND or otherwise incapacitated, when it returns, it may strike you?")
Ironically if such a roguelike is developed, old-timers may get pissed off at all the dumbing-down that comes into play.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 03:37:18 No.23326138 Report

Quoted By: >>23326440 >>23343025

thoughts on mystery dungeons? my mute oshi played it a 2hu-themed one a while back and while she explained the mechanics enough for it to be easy for me to follow, it apparently killed her viewcount

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 03:42:23 No.23326440 Report

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>>23326138
>Mystery Dungeon, known in Japan as Fushigi no Dungeon,[a] is a series of roguelike role-playing video games. Most were developed by Chunsoft, now Spike Chunsoft since the merging in 2012, and select games were developed by other companies with Chunsoft's permission. The series began when co–creator of Dragon Quest, Koichi Nakamura, was inspired by Seiichiro Nagahata's experience with Rogue, who is also a fellow developer from the company, and a desire to create an original series. It began on the Super Famicom, progressing to almost all of Nintendo's and Sony's home and handheld consoles, WonderSwan, Dreamcast, Windows, and mobile devices.

Funnily enough, mystery dungeons are closer to the rogue heritage than most roguelites. I don't mind.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 04:01:20 No.23327387 Report

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>>23326440
mm, if you say so. i'll link their vods but given that she's a mute the streams are a bit slower than most, if that's a dealbreaker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L6N_i1b0TY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZH25stmTq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC0j7LzDY8Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U28bRVmH39g
sorry if the channel looks pretty dead, she recently moved to twitch and is busy slicing up and uploading a 30-hour elden ring vod she did as her first stream there.
on another topic, there's this other guy i'd watch who'd do DCSS streams with an open cytube channel running. do you think additional stuff like that is good for bringing more viewers in or is it a bit much?

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 04:06:58 No.23327666 Report

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>>23327387
Thanks. I thought Corpse played DCSS too? I remember her backseating paperbag.
Cytube running is extra viewer engagement, really good for streamers regardless of size.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 04:10:20 No.23327855 Report

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>>23325311
do roguelike vtubers retire after their first yab and start over with a new persona?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 04:16:24 No.23328161 Report

Quoted By: >>23328339

Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup went to shit with the dumb coders and admins. Koreans put out a way better version, DCSS Kimchi, but its so slow to update.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 04:20:28 No.23328339 Report

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>>23328161
Do they have high elves? I need my high elves.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 04:48:43 No.23329659 Report

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>>23327666
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkycDcbC3_o&list=PLl9xWOTSmZPWzkgspXRzZjgxJI1mw6_Wq&index=9
she did play it quite a bit (competitively too, allegedly) before vtubing but she only did a one-off stream of it

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 05:03:16 No.23330239 Report

Quoted By: >>23336025

It would be pretty cool to see someone try to tackle Elona+. They'd probably have to turn off the piss function, but the game didnt even need that to begin with, so its fine.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 05:52:04 No.23332314 Report

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https://www.twitch.tv/rakugozu
If Mystery Dungeons count then this guy is live right now. I prefer actual roguelikes but for now I'll take all I can get.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 07:03:14 No.23335259 Report

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bump

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 07:22:46 No.23336025 Report

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>>23330239
>Posting Botan
>The girl who starts roguelites but never finishes them
; ;

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 08:18:37 No.23337663 Report

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This thread is not dying.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 08:26:01 No.23337833 Report

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>>23337663
JP primetime will start soon and hope somebody plays at least vampire survivors. As for me, I'm just waiting for Halbernacht to play DCSS.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 09:37:24 No.23339447 Report

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If the board slows down we can actually make it to watch someone live.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 11:46:07 No.23342895 Report

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I love games that involve strategic input like most rogue games but whenever I watch someone else make a mistake my autism starts to act up and I get pretty frustrated. Anyone else that has this problem know what to do about it?

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 11:50:59 No.23343025 Report

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>>23326138
I haven't played the more recent ones but Shiren the Wanderer is an excellent game that I wouldn't have any trouble calling a true roguelike.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 11:58:41 No.23343273 Report

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I will still not watch your chuuba unless they have a confirmed nethack ascension.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 12:19:47 No.23343950 Report

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https://youtu.be/syr9YQwWVls
Finally, a thread-relavant stream but it's in 11 hours.
Don't die.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 13:08:59 No.23345542 Report

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https://www.twitch.tv/nadechama
more reinforcements coming in, nade's on with some slay the spire!

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 13:25:04 No.23346140 Report

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>>23345542
Neat. Thank you Nade.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:12:49 No.23348024 Report

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any noita streams?

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:16:37 No.23348205 Report

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>>23348024
https://www.twitch.tv/anne_o1iver
Made me check YT and Twitch. You're in luck, I found one. Cute girl too. Stream in JP.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:17:44 No.23348254 Report

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Rogue LOVE

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:27:24 No.23348673 Report

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>>23325311
>>23325848
suggest Cogmind to your oshi
tiled berlin roguelike, but it does really fancy shit with its graphic interpreter so it's more like pixel graphics than tiles. Also mouse-driven so you're not married to learning autistic keyboard menus for everything.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 14:36:47 No.23349090 Report

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>>23342895
Play like a thousand more hours yourself but this time whenever you make a mistake or take to long to make a decision pretend chat is yelling at you or making fun of you

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 15:35:24 No.23351562 Report

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do not go gentle into that good night

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 18:47:54 No.23359918 Report

Quoted By: >>23360143

Slay the Spire

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 18:53:41 No.23360143 Report

Quoted By: >>23360249 >>23363300

>>23359918
Not a roguelike.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 18:56:32 No.23360249 Report

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>>23360143
it's notaroguelike in /rlg/speak if you want to fit in

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 20:14:59 No.23363300 Report

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>>23360143
but the thread said it's for roguelikes and roguelites
I fucking hate deckbuilder/card game roguelikes anyway, fucking cheap ass gameplay

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 20:26:18 No.23363762 Report

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>>23363300
>, fucking cheap ass gameplay
How so?

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 20:39:16 No.23364273 Report

Quoted By: >>23364770

>>23363762
If I can't have active gameplay, I want freeform gameplay. Not to have my options artificially restricted to simple cards, and deck builders don't offer either one.
I feel it's no different than the trend of turning boomer shooters into on-rails hallways.
this is an opinionated stance, don't expect me to defend it with logic

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 20:51:10 No.23364770 Report

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>>23364273
Yeah, I can see your point. But I like card game roguelites over other kinds of roguelites because I'm also a cardgame autist. I played the hell put of Heartstone and Legends of Runeterra's roguelite modes and still occasionally play Slay the Spire and Jaycee's mod.

I hate square room roguelites most like Isaac. Like bitch isn't that too limiting? It's too contained an structured to be even fun.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 21:26:28 No.23366175 Report

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>>23364770
I can't see how active gameplay in a room that happens to be square is more restrictive, contained, or limited than gameplay where you have no active movement at all.

I could understand deckbuilders do tactical decision making better, but if I'm making tactical decisions, I don't want to be artificially limited by what RNG happens to spit out to me.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 22:15:27 No.23368653 Report

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>>23366175
There are only a limited of meaningful gameplay decisions you can do in a square room especially if it's real-time, and the "flexibility" of these options can be simple as attack here vs attack there where in card games you can get really autistic with the deck building and the mechanical groundwork for your particular run to work, and opens up the potential for higher highs for your build to "pop off".
I just treat RNG as a fact of life because it's common in other games I play, such as Rimworld, Dorf Fort or well, tabletop RPGs. It's not like true roguelikes are alien to RNG either, since I got thrown to the Abyss in DCSS more than once because of my own hubris. But RNG-minimization is a legitimate strategy. This usually manifests in in-combat deck manipulation and pre-combat deck thinning.

Square room roguelites aren't the most complex input-wise either. You just use a weapon of choice and it gets buffed by passives and on-trigger effects. Most of your tactical decisions is just attacking, movement and if the game allows it, dodging.

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Anonymous Fri 29 Apr 2022 22:18:50 No.23368845 Report

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>>23327387
>she

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