>>268647Okay, here I am.
>>268690 >>270221 kind of beat me to the punch with one aspect, but here goes. Quality not guaranteed because typing this up right after 3 hours of immigration law and criminal law tires ya out but I'll give it my best shot.
>tl;dr, the two posts cited above are actually pretty on the mark on the individual level, on the population level it would require changes in culture or governmental policy.So, As far as a possible solution out of the mess for them. I'll just come out and say I empathize with them so much because I was in a similar low point back in highschool and half of college. How I got out of that was a slow process but
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>>270221 really do hit the nail on the head so to speak. The initial catalyst was essentially an epiphany I had after a night browsing /r9k/ seeing a lot of the people there and realizing I did not want to be 25, 30, 35, w/e living like I was: a shut-in utterly alone living in an a home as disheveled and chaotic as my mind and room were, you know those horrifyingly dirty rooms with cans, trash, and other garbage everywhere? That was my room then.
Parents weren't really there so any positive change was up to me. Gradually, very gradually I tried to put myself out of my comfort zone in different ways; getting myself up to the point of even being able to call someone on the phone, starting to work out so I could stop being morbidly obese, trying to work at social skills (I unironically am autistic, diagnosed and everything lol), heck even getting to the point where I could talk engage in the bantz with other randos in online servers (I couldn't even do that at the very start I was that far behind).
I tried to read up on all sorts of things re: social skills, fitness, etc. After a slip back downard in uni I gathered up the nerve to contact their uni's health dept to set up appointments with their therapist (started using antidepressants at the time too. They _were_ a help at that time but I got to a point where I didn't need them once I got out of college YMMV and honestly now I'd tell someone to use those in a last-resort sort of situation but I'm not a doc, so this isn't med advice). Read up on things in places like The Red Pill too; ftr I disagree with their motivations but their is good info there especially if you're a sperg still trying to learn how2human. Remember this was all over the course of years.
For me to start taking the steps to effect change required me to be at that really low point and for me to have enough introspection. Probably no different in that regard than the archetypal addict who doesn't turn his life around till he hits rock-bottom.
However, with my initial post I was thinking more the large-scale things. On a population wide level certain things line-up to make conditions such that people like myself or the ones donating too much money to streamers appear. I think
>>271058 is right on the mark as far as mentally ill goes. Many of these men probably have some sort of condition that makes socializing/fitting in to society/connecting with women, let alone anyone difficult. I am autistic so just getting to a basic level of social skill was incredibly difficult. (however, social skills *are* skills, unintuitive doesn't mean unlearnable). I'd bet quite a few of the men at issue here are the same, given the known affinity autists have for anime and the similarity these chuubas have to our anime waifus. There of course other conditions that will lead to men having difficulty connecting to others.
Their families are a larger factor though imho. So much goes back to the family. The psychologist Dr. Warren Farrell wrote a lot about this in The Boy Crisis (highly recommend you give it a look) and you can find plenty of vids with him talking about that on youtube. But in very brief summary, there are incredibly strong correlations between mens' families and their odds of achieving financial and academic success, odds of falling into drug and alcohol abuse, sex or porn addiction, odds of romantic success (marriage/partner, finding gfs, etc), odds of developing a mental illness (which ties into the previous paragrah). All of those tie into the family they grew up in and their childhood. I myself grew up in a broken home with a parent that was emotionally neglectful and abusive. There is absolutely no doubt that was a major contributing factor into my own situation. No father figure to be a guide, no mom/dad around so I could SEE how men and women interacted in positive ways (modeling is key, especially for things like social skills, which lack of ties into loneliness). Look on /r9k/, look on the comments on Jordan Peterson vids and see how many men have similar backgrounds. So, you have these men growing up in a way with families that are essentially setting them up for failure when it comes to being able to create good relationships with women (let alone anyone really). 1/2