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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2022 16:56:24 No.32598092 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>32601374 >>32610740 >>32628073 >>32633304 >>32639957 >>32641930 >>32660972

>What is /lore/?
/lore/ is a thread to discuss the backstory of vtubers and powerscale them.
Don't post about the person behind the avatar.

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>>32519428

>>32551890
>Have you ever thought about any cross corpo deathmatches that would be interesting?
Elite Miko vs Melware in a virtual arena
Marine with ship vs Finana
Ironmouse vs Bae and/or Rosemi

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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2022 17:45:45 No.32600747 Report

Quoted By: >>32600916 >>32637080

who?

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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2022 17:48:32 No.32600916 Report

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>>32600747
who!

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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2022 17:56:59 No.32601374 Report

Quoted By: >>32602216 >>32637080 >>32648448

>>32598092
i only recognize kson
are u sure you should make a thread besides a general for that obscure company? not every 2 view gets their own thread

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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2022 18:12:17 No.32602216 Report

Quoted By: >>32620603

>>32601374
The thread isn't specifically about vshojo.
Feel free to post about any other corpo or even indie vtuber.

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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2022 19:07:22 No.32605221 Report

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>>32600916
She forgor the lore...

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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2022 20:42:18 No.32610050 Report

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>>32556153
>We've never seen Watame respawn on stream
Luckily there's this instance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzwUSWRASeI

And no, it's wasn't a joke she made up on the spot. It was a demonstration of the lore she created a mere 2 months after debut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mz1SUs1uMo

- At the end of the 1st Overcooked 2 collab with Botan, Botan eats her off-screen as the collab ends.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBeOfCDX2D4

It was later confirmed by both Botan and Watame that it was something that canonically happened.
https://youtu.be/ap6zAq1VBh0?t=1068
>Botan: She [Watame] was delicious. But she respawned without issues, so it's all okay.
https://twitter.com/tsunomakiwatame/status/1306565212451950593

Botan eating Watame was also referenced in Giri Giri Warukunai Watame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-i1gzWeeOI

- In addition, Kiara herself also acknowledged Watame's ability to respawn is technically better than hers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjyKzu8aUZM

Note: Watame actually explained that she has this ability because she's a mutated sheep, but the translator didn't translate it.

https://youtu.be/fok5dkdbz4A?t=1127
>キアラ「羊なのにリスポーンするのですごいなぁ…」
>Kiara: You're able to respawn even though you're just a sheep... That's amazing.
>わため「すごいでしょ?突然変異で」
>Watame: Amazing right? It's because of a mutation.

So imo Watame's immortality does count as a canonical ability she has, even if it might seems pretty broken.

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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2022 20:45:39 No.32610207 Report

Quoted By: >>32613663

>>32556153
>We've never seen Watame respawn on stream
Luckily there's this instance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzwUSWRASeI

And no, it's wasn't a joke she made up on the spot. It was a demonstration of the lore she created a mere 2 months after debut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Mz1SUs1uMo

- At the end of the 1st Overcooked 2 collab with Botan, Botan literally eats her off-screen as the collab ends.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBeOfCDX2D4

It was later confirmed by both Botan and Watame that it was something that happened canonically.
https://youtu.be/ap6zAq1VBh0?t=1068
>Botan: She [Watame] was delicious. But she respawned without issues, so it's all okay.
https://twitter.com/tsunomakiwatame/status/1306565212451950593

Botan eating Watame was also referenced in Giri Giri Warukunai Watame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-i1gzWeeOI

- In addition, Kiara herself also acknowledged Watame's ability to respawn is technically better than hers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjyKzu8aUZM

Note: Watame actually explained that she has this ability because she's a mutated sheep, but the translator didn't translate it.

https://youtu.be/fok5dkdbz4A?t=1127
>キアラ「羊なのにリスポーンするのですごいなぁ…」
>Kiara: You're able to respawn even though you're just a sheep... That's amazing.
>わため「すごいでしょ?突然変異で」
>Watame: Amazing right? It's because of a mutation.

So imo Watame's immortality does count as a canonical ability she has, even if it might seems pretty broken.

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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2022 20:56:21 No.32610740 Report

Quoted By: >>32611206

>>32598092
What's Elysium of HoloStars EN exactly supposed to be? Is it a continent? A country? A different dimension?
I think it was mentioned to be some sort of digital world like in Digimon, but I have no idea if they ever mentioned the scale of it.

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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2022 21:04:24 No.32611206 Report

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>>32610740
Seems like they are in some kind of VR world, maybe.

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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2022 21:47:45 No.32613663 Report

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>>32610207
>In addition, Kiara herself also acknowledged Watame's ability to respawn is technically better than hers.
Interesting, she mentions that Kiara should keep training so maybe Watame respawns faster because she needs to use the ability more often.

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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2022 23:01:08 No.32617691 Report

Quoted By: >>32669636

>>32611206
What is a "solution" world supposed to be? Was this translated from jp?

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Anonymous Tue 06 Sep 2022 23:50:17 No.32620603 Report

Quoted By: >>32622733

>>32602216
why is Irys always up there?
what is even her power?

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 00:26:41 No.32622733 Report

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>>32620603
She's a half angel, half devil, Nephilim.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 00:28:29 No.32622848 Report

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>>32622733
That's not it, otherwise Kanata would be way higher. It's because he lore video says she was born before the universe or something.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 00:30:23 No.32622955 Report

Quoted By: >>32623052 >>32624708

>>32622848
and being old is the same as being powerful?
a pile of dirt could be from the beginning of the universe. Does that make it powerful?
What is Irys power? Can she shoot sundestroying laserbeams out off her arse?

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 00:32:10 No.32623052 Report

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>>32622955
Idk, I think it's dumb personally. I can't recall her stating any particular powers, I'd put her in mythical personally.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 01:02:04 No.32624708 Report

Quoted By: >>32625658 >>32635136 >>32669727

>>32622955
>and being old is the same as being powerful?
You're right, by itself it doesn't. If that's all she has, then it would be the same case as Elira, people assuming she's powerful simply because of age even though there is nothing that actually indicates so. >>32352124

The main reason why IRyS is placed so high is because of these official Cover statements:
>>32149861

Specifically "once brought hope to 'The Paradise' during the ancient age" and being there to witness the creation of the multiverse. Although vague, these could be interpreted as her being a 5th dimensional being (or even above) at peak, which would put her at the same level as Bae. But yes, I don't believe there's any concrete evidence so this might be a case like Ina.

>What is Irys power? Can she shoot sundestroying laserbeams out off her arse?
>I can't recall her stating any particular powers
There's this feat from her debut song/stream.
https://youtu.be/WTU3TIZRUCM?t=167

There are probably more, but I personally don't watch IRyS so I can't tell you off the top of my head. And also keep in mind this is her 2nd awakening, presumably weaker form.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 01:17:38 No.32625658 Report

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>>32624708
>shifting dimensions
>controlling time
>manipulating life and death
Yeah, that's god-tier alright.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 01:31:17 No.32626426 Report

Quoted By: >>32626719 >>32638339

Any theories on how Kiara got access to the "Usual Room"? The way she describes it is not as some normal room but as a pocket dimension with infinite iteratios of itself that can adjust to someone's deepest fear, did she create it? Has someone or something granted her access to it?

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 01:36:15 No.32626719 Report

Quoted By: >>32687798

>>32626426
The following seems to suggest the Usual Room could be a collaboration with Mori. Maybe it's related to the Underworld?
https://youtu.be/YQPAphawZCY

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 01:59:31 No.32628073 Report

Quoted By: >>32628395 >>32638339

>>32598092
>Ironmouse vs Bae and/or Rosemi
I get Bae but can I get some info on Rosemi?

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 02:04:43 No.32628395 Report

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>>32628073
Rosemi is Satan.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 03:27:17 No.32633304 Report

Quoted By: >>32638339

>>32598092
Where's Prisms chart?

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 03:57:15 No.32635136 Report

Quoted By: >>32640960

>>32624708
Being the personification of a concept should also count for something

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 04:29:40 No.32637080 Report

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>>32600747
>>32601374
How? how the fuck do you watch vtubers without the youtube algorithm molesting you with ironmouse nyanners and froot clips?
I need this power.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 04:50:42 No.32638339 Report

Quoted By: >>32639957 >>32653391

>>32633304
>Where's Prisms chart?
Nobody did one yet and I personally don't know anything about them. Feel free to enlighten us.

>>32626426
Where does she describe the "usual room"?

>>32628073
It's basically mouse vs rat and Satan vs Satan

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 05:15:52 No.32639482 Report

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This joke has gone way too fucking far, Jesus.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 05:28:05 No.32639957 Report

Quoted By: >>32641513

>>32638339
>It's basically mouse vs rat and Satan vs Satan
All of them are in the Multiversal ballpark too so it's actually a pretty good matchup.

>>32598092
>>32551890
Haachama (No GODCHAMA) vs
Cursed Pomu w/ Reimu Hat & Max PP Energy AND Lulu (forma de eldritch horror) AND/OR Nyanners

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 05:55:12 No.32640960 Report

Quoted By: >>32644654

>>32635136
Yes. Although this isn't hololive specific, I'd imagine Hope would be the concept with one of the highest power levels, since Japanese media often treat "righteous" qualities as such.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 06:10:30 No.32641513 Report

Quoted By: >>32642067

>>32639957
What does the hat do?
I don't think Pomufication will work on Haachama and even if it does, Haachama can make clones of herself faster than that.
Not sure what Lulu can do, I don't think she got scaled on these threads yet.
Nyanners could achieve a draw by lighting the beacon if her curse ability to seal powers don't work. But those seem to be her last resorts if things don't go her way so she might try to use them too late.
I can't see a clear winner unless we take into account that Haachama is okay with losing now and then to use that experience to grow more powerful later on, maybe things would change with Lulu since I don't know what she can bring to the table here.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 06:22:56 No.32641930 Report

Quoted By: >>32642249 >>32643110

>>32598092
dont even bother... Ive seen a lot of people argue that v tubers have reality warping powers and toon force or can destroy everything, bla bla bla. Its all stretch and made up mumbo jumbo.

oh, she can travel dimensions, so she can bust open planet earth in one blow since she is multiversal.

She is older than time, so she can destroy the sun with one twerk. She is galaxy level.

This character came from hell. They can destroy all of reality easily. Sure... sure that connects...

its all wank

Most powerscale is really faulty logic. Batman was able to defeat reverse flash, so batman can react to attacks faster than the speed of light. Batman can defeat superman, so he is multiversal in power.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 06:27:04 No.32642067 Report

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>>32641513
Reimu Hat and PP Energy just boost her power level. We know that with the hat she goes from Universal+ to Multiversal, and it might also increase her pomufication power but as you said, Haachama most likely can counter it/unaffected by it.
>>32350504

I pitted them together because they are all the 'secretly eldritch horror' vtubers I know. I don't know much about Lulu neither but she was one of the OG eldritch horror vtubers so I included her.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 06:34:06 No.32642249 Report

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>>32641930
What I get from this is that "X defeats Y, so X is at least as strong as Y" is inherently faulty logic, which is probably true desu.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 07:07:07 No.32643110 Report

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>>32641930
>Ive seen a lot of people argue that v tubers have reality warping powers and toon force or can destroy everything
We would only give them toon powers if their lore establishes that they have them. Otherwise we ignore those feats.

>Most powerscale is really faulty logic.
The entire premise of powerscaling is to use logic to rank them, so if you think you have a more logical way feel free to share your thoughts.

>Batman was able to defeat reverse flash, so batman can react to attacks faster than the speed of light. Batman can defeat superman, so he is multiversal in power.
I don't really like the vs wiki type of scaling but I think it's the most recognized way to do it.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 08:13:48 No.32644654 Report

Quoted By: >>32670011

>>32640960
What I noticed about IRyS is also that she may actually be the cause for why hope is required in the first place.
https://youtu.be/y3xAl0fmEio?t=35
In this song she sings about how the hope in life is made up of her "black and white", which I would interpret as her angel and devil side.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 08:19:16 No.32644772 Report

Quoted By: >>32645660

How about creating lore for vtubbers that don’t really have them? Temmie is a good example as she’s literally playing herself

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 08:57:13 No.32645660 Report

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>>32644772
Speculation to a certain degree is fine but outright creating fanfiction belongs in >>32612482

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 10:25:39 No.32648448 Report

Quoted By: >>32650392

>>32601374
Mouse gets 15k viewsAlso has 1.3mil subs
Pink cst is pretty large with 10k viewes 890k subs
Vei gets 10-15k
Mouse even got reconsidered by some holojp talents

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 11:19:12 No.32650392 Report

Quoted By: >>32676376

>>32648448
I actually watched the Haachama collab on Ironmouses channel and there were quite a few times where Mousey says that Haachama is stronger than her.

https://youtu.be/XxcWt7dgZ9Y?t=7854

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 12:12:59 No.32653391 Report

Quoted By: >>32658092

>>32638339
>Where does she describe the "usual room"?
This is the best look we've had of it
https://youtu.be/3orYX1USCjk

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 13:20:10 No.32658092 Report

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>>32653391
lmao, I didn't know that exists.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 13:58:00 No.32660972 Report

Quoted By: >>32665495

>>32598092
This is the current /vsj+/ power ranking

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 15:27:44 No.32665495 Report

Quoted By: >>32665718 >>32668933

>>32660972
>Nazuna (Forma de Boing Boing)
>Live Hime Hajime
non-canon forms aren't allowed here.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 15:33:22 No.32665718 Report

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>>32665495

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 16:48:35 No.32668933 Report

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>>32665495
Lemao

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 17:05:06 No.32669636 Report

Quoted By: >>32672993

>>32617691
My guess it's a solution to the issuea of the real world. Just escaping into the virtual world. It does give me strong Digimon vibes, I wonder which kind of monsters and threats the Tempus guild usually deals with.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 17:07:21 No.32669727 Report

Quoted By: >>32670011

>>32624708
I always assumed her to be a being sort of like Michael. A very strong angel to cleanse the world.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 17:13:36 No.32670011 Report

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>>32669727
I think she could be far more sinister than that.
See >>32644654
Without hardships and suffering hope wouldn't need to exist.

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 18:16:21 No.32672993 Report

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>>32669636
That virtual world also reminds me of holo alternative

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 19:17:20 No.32676376 Report

Quoted By: >>32682982

>>32650392
That makes sense. Haachama is low-key extradimensional (as in the tier just below Tier 0: Boundless) so really only actual gods (god as in capital G gods, like the western kind) are comparable to that level of power.
>>12444096

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 20:07:01 No.32679056 Report

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>>32531936

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 21:28:39 No.32682982 Report

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>>32676376
Here's also a possible feat of hololive being just a fragment of Haachama's imagination.
https://youtu.be/P6DcLalmvkI?t=1035

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Anonymous Wed 07 Sep 2022 22:43:08 No.32687798 Report

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>>32532405
>>32613663
>>32626719
Hey, that actually makes sense!

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