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i hope they go bankrupt

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:28:12 No.33615647 View View Reply Original Report

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:29:06 No.33615704 Report

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>>33615647
when she was destroyed you did nothing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:31:10 No.33615813 Report

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>>33615647
Just EN.

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:32:28 No.33615880 Report

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>>33615813
Fire all of EN, except Fauna, Kiara, Gura, Ina and Mumei. Then transfer them to JP.
Blacklist Mori from the industry.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:33:27 No.33615926 Report

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>>33615647
based

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:33:55 No.33615942 Report

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>>33615647
in the same vein, I hope you kill yourself

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:37:07 No.33616092 Report

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>>33615880
Is IRys under EN management or JP?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:38:00 No.33616137 Report

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>>33615647
Don't worry the JP branch is perfectly fine.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:41:21 No.33616287 Report

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>>33616137
I've retreated almost entirely to JP but is worried that this shit will backfeed there too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:44:06 No.33616396 Report

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>>33616287
>worried that this shit will backfeed there too
You won't make it. Better leave this hobby because Idol culture in Japan are ok with idols collaborating with opposite gender as long as they are not in relationship.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:46:47 No.33616515 Report

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>>33616396
>Better leave this hobby because Idol culture in Japan are ok with idols collaborating with opposite gender as long as they are not in relationship.

Not that I've seen. I've been almost entirely on JP for the last two months and have not seen any of that. My understanding is that Noel even said they are not allowed to collab with holostars.

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:48:30 No.33616602 Report

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>>33616396
>Idol culture in Japan are ok with idols collaborating with opposite gender as long as they are not in relationship
>as long as they are not in relationship
no it's more like as long as they aren't males idols

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:50:45 No.33616700 Report

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>>33616602
>as long as they aren't males idols
That's not true since we had Astel, Choco sensei and Roboco Collab for Apex.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:53:34 No.33616820 Report

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>>33616396
>Better leave this hobby because Idol culture in Japan are ok with idols collaborating with opposite gender as long as they are not in relationship.
Depends. While you are right about idols, keep in mind that their "acceptable" interactions with males are all within work-related matters. You will still get drama if tabloids find idol X and actor Y having dinner in a nice restaurant outside of work without managers.
So that brings up the question: are collabs between males and females VTubers purely just work? Sure, there are work-related-only collabs such as sponsored streams or company-wide events. What about collabs organized and started by the chuubas, though? Are they work, or are they leisure activities? Depends on how you see it, it will be more, or less acceptable.
It might not be a coincidence that top Hololive members in term of viewership (both in JP and EN) don't collab with males outside of work

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:54:37 No.33616861 Report

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>>33616700
I'm talking about real idols nigger

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:55:08 No.33616881 Report

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>>33616515
>they are not allowed to collab with holostars.
She never mention that. she adknowlege Holostars existence and make her stance that she won't collab with them so that her fans to won't get jealous personal phobia etc etc
Here there already a translated clip.
https://youtu.be/DGZz_zdb7ho

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:57:40 No.33616973 Report

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>>33616515
>for the last two months
Heh, newfags don't know anything at all

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:57:53 No.33616984 Report

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>>33615880
If we go by your logic, only Kiara is allowed to stay

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:58:11 No.33617000 Report

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>>33616861
Well Babymetal and Ladybeard.

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:59:02 No.33617039 Report

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>>33615647
Welcome to the Anti life brother

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 05:59:48 No.33617074 Report

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>>33616881
>her stance that she won't collab with them so that her fans to won't get jealous personal phobia etc etc

Probably misunderstood because I watched it raw. IMO this makes me like JP even more now that I know the majority of talents are making the decision themselves not to do male collab aside from sponsored streams.

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:00:42 No.33617125 Report

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>>33615647
t. Riku

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:02:14 No.33617202 Report

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>>33616973
Well if I don't know anything then why don't you just tell me? Maybe I need to know how bad things really are.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:02:45 No.33617228 Report

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>>33617074
>majority of talents are making the decision themselves not to do male collab aside from sponsored streams

If you that sane, what make you wanna stop watching EN?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:03:06 No.33617243 Report

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>>33615647
Keep crying, Nijifag.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:07:17 No.33617440 Report

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>>33617228
I still watch Fauna and Kiara. Irys too if you count her as EN I guess. I like the fact that in JP it is considered 'normal' to not do collabs with males where as it's almost like in EN they are really pushing for it to be 'normalized'.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:11:04 No.33617582 Report

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>>33617440
>almost like in EN they are really pushing for it to be 'normalized'.
Don't let the catelog brainwash you, this is usually what happens when new gens come out in EN. Give it a month or two, they will go back to their solo contents.

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:13:32 No.33617676 Report

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>>33615647

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:15:47 No.33617770 Report

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>>33615647
just watch holojp, en is a lost cause

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:17:02 No.33617825 Report

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>>33617582
>Don't let the catelog brainwash you

No it's a personal opinion. Ame's 'addressing' of the matter particularly irked me enough that I didn't even bother watching Kronii's 'statement' because I'm sure I'd find it annoying too. Something in her tone put me off. If a JP member spoke like that she'd probably be forced to apologize. I think the best way to put it is that it seems management seems to have tighter reigns on the JP talents and or just that being Japanese they are they are more likely to toe the unspoken line. Diplomatically speaking I find EN deals with shit like this in a too 'off the cuff' manner, I would prefer better customer service.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:19:01 No.33617889 Report

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>>33617770
>just watch niji
whoops
>just watch holo
whoops
>just watch indies
whoops

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:21:29 No.33617984 Report

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>>33616984
>he doesn't know

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:23:34 No.33618052 Report

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>>33616602
Suisei has a famous male idol as fan talking about her on TV every now and then.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:24:23 No.33618073 Report

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>>33617825
Good for you anon at least you ain't that deep into the parasocial rabbit hole.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:25:05 No.33618101 Report

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>>33618052
are they friends? Generally no one cares if the interaction feels like work.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:26:49 No.33618162 Report

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Kek I will never watch Niji faggot. Go back to whatever discord or forum you came from.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:26:54 No.33618167 Report

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>>33618101
It's like bae and vester Collab ya know being professional and all that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:28:03 No.33618204 Report

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>>33616861
>>33618052

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:28:24 No.33618216 Report

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>>33617825
Most JPs (not all, admittedly) had to go through the days of 2views and 3views before, had to fought hard for viewers, had to go through drama or (and?) are ambitious as fuck. Thus, they treasure each and every viewers unless the viewers go really really out of line.
EN enjoyed the benefits of their seniors too much and pretty much had much easier time building their fanbases. Several of them don't even care about success that much nowadays. That's why some of them can take that kind of tone against their viewers. Those who care about their viewers don't take that sort of condescending tone against them

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:29:32 No.33618257 Report

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>>33618073
I'm actually not into the parasociall thing at all but I prefers seiso idol styled vtubers and goes without saying, that archetype isn't supposed to collab with guys. More normallization of male collabs mean less potential content catered for me. I am just worried about the availability of my entertainment.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:31:00 No.33618323 Report

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>>33618101
He literally talks as a fan of her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:31:08 No.33618332 Report

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>>33618216
That makes sense. I agree with you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:31:12 No.33618337 Report

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>>33615647
Cucked hands typed this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:32:18 No.33618384 Report

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>>33618323
Idols are allowed to be fans of things, he's probably not allowed to be seen as a friend of hers though.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:36:37 No.33618528 Report

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>>33616287
What sort of shit do you mean?
The talents will start being ungrateful and rude toward their viewers? On top of that, addressing unneccessary issue which only create drama? No, those won't happen
But if you are worried about male collabs as in not tolerating any sort of collabs with stars/real life male celebs even if it's for promotional purpose then please fuck of

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:39:18 No.33618629 Report

Quoted By: >>33621177

>>33618528
Yes to the first and kind of for the second. They already do promotional and sponsored things together. It's just business but I do enjoy the fact that most of the top JP talents don't do collabs with guys outside of "work".

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:47:11 No.33618913 Report

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>>33617202
not that anon, but imma spoonfeed you and all the other newfags that are worried about this infecting holoJP
the gfe vs talent freedom war already happened about 2 years ago
fubuki and matsuri, who were relevant at the time, spearheaded the talent freedom side
coco and rushia, ironically, were on the gfe side

the whole thing ended with the victory of gfe as matsuri crashed and burned, while fubuki is only relevant for shilling streams and has 0 gachis

here's a fubuki gem from that time:
https://youtu.be/VDbCfeu8_1E
this is your future teammates

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:53:20 No.33619113 Report

Quoted By: >>33619185

>>33616287
It won’t. EN is an aberration due to it’s distance as a faraway Holo colony. Hololive will go bankrupt before they normalize male collabs in HoloJP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:54:14 No.33619146 Report

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>>33618257
>seiso
>HoloEN
I think you're confused there buddy and that is me not shitposting

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:55:30 No.33619185 Report

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>>33619113
>Hololive will go bankrupt
You're blowing this way out of proportion anon

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 06:56:19 No.33619211 Report

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>>33618913
>coco and rushia, ironically, were on the gfe side
Didn't know coco was considered the gfe side tho since she Collab with a ex-Yakuza vtuber.

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 07:13:35 No.33619862 Report

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>>33619211
the gfe side was fighting the nijification mostly behind the scenes, coco came out on stream and said that the streams were like dates and bringing a guy along was awkward

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 07:16:21 No.33619970 Report

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>>33619185
I’m not. You seriously underestimate the power of idol autism. Hololive has been cultivating this schtick for years now and if it ever decides to walk it all back the company will be insolvent because no males idol autism is Hololive’s main edge against Niji and the other corps, HoloJP especially. The moment they back down the JPfans will abandon Hololive and the other corps will rip them apart. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if Nijisanji has a hidden subversive hand in all the recent shilling for normalization of male collabs in HoloEN in order to fracture and destroy its main competitor’s EN branch. They’re businesses after all and everything is permitted in business.

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 07:22:13 No.33620195 Report

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>>33615647
Same. The company has utterly betrayed their fans and it deserves to be destroyed. HoloEN is a complete disaster and I hope the good chuubas manage to get out somehow or do their own thing, because male cancer has utterly obliterated any semblance of possible quality to come and has compromised the entire culture.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 07:28:41 No.33620424 Report

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>>33618216
This. The mindset of "I am what I am today because of my fans and me" need to be ingrained deeply into all chuubas
I get it that the chuuba was the one who did the prep work and everything but viewers do sacrifice their time and money for them

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 07:30:09 No.33620473 Report

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>>33617825
Yeah, it's really the better "customer service" aspect that made a big difference between EN and JP

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 07:31:57 No.33620547 Report

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Too big to fail. They're shedding their chudcel audience for underage zoom-zoom YouTuber audience branching away from markiplier or cocomelon which their views = ur wagie supas

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 07:32:30 No.33620568 Report

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>>33619970
Yeah, and Yagoo hired the ex-JSDF to shoot Abe.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 07:34:41 No.33620655 Report

Quoted By: >>33621373

seeming too excited to hang out with this brand new, untested, unknown male branch is the major reason lots of unicorns are upset. In their minds, why do these random males that at best they dont care for and at worst down right dislike, get preferential treatment and all the excitement and focus from their respective oshis.
Cover shouldnt have let them collab at first for a while. if the girls wanted they could just promote them from the sidelines. and once the branch was established and had proven themselves with clips and such, the girls could go ahead with collabs resulting in far fewer upset people.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 07:36:58 No.33620759 Report

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>itt newfags who don’t know that holojp and holoen works the same exact way in that they have members who collabs with males or not
God forbid you find out about Holoid

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 07:44:04 No.33620966 Report

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>>33619970 (me)
Now you're definitely blowing this way out of proportion. As far as I know JP won't be touched so calm the fuck down, the fact that you think Nijisanji had a hand in this actually made me laugh. This isn't a conspiracy anon. I really hope you're trolling because this shit's actually funny to me. Good one

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 07:47:09 No.33621050 Report

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>>33615704
Most /vt/ newfriends joined when she was already on the way out

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 07:52:10 No.33621177 Report

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>>33618629
Alright, fair enough
Hololive is known for CGDCT experience and Idol wannabes, anyway
Also, you have nothing to worry about
The language barrier is a natural gatekeeper against the twittards you see in En girls comment sections and JP normies aren't the type that would try to force their ideals or going around virtue signaling

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 07:56:27 No.33621293 Report

Quoted By: >>33621330

>>33618913
There are a lot of things that need to be consider for their "irrelevancy"
What impact Matsuri's numbers were the spamming of Apex streams and that she possibly lied about Za Hando
As for FBK, she is taking things easy by spamming shits like FFXIV, but she can get a decent viewership if she play something decent

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 07:58:04 No.33621330 Report

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>>33621293
This, unless you wasn’t there then I guess you wouldn’t have known about how matsuri just wanted to play apex and got mad at people for telling her to play something else.

That being said Towa does whatever she wants and clearly isn’t one of the lowest members of hololive

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 07:59:29 No.33621373 Report

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>>33620655
I'm not interested in watching males in any capacity. Maletubers shouldn't even exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 08:03:59 No.33621508 Report

Quoted By: >>33622618

This is basically what HoloJP went through circa 2019 - 2020 when Fubuki and Matsuri were collabing with Holostars. I remembered Watame got sent a SC asking why she would talk to Holostars on Twitter, to which she responded she doesn't feel like it's wrong to talk to your coworker no matter who they are.
Fubuki and Matsuri did suffer some loss of gachikoi, but long term nothing really happened. Fubuki is still trucking along as the official shill chuuba and Matsuri's decline is mostly due to her Apex spam. But then again Hololive wasn't as big nor did it have as much presence in the West compared to right now, so maybe the backlash could be bigger. The JP also doesn't really collab with Holostars that much. I can't remember the last time Fubuki collabed with a Holostars outside of shill stream.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 08:06:30 No.33621584 Report

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>>33615647
no you dont

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 08:11:14 No.33621732 Report

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I'm not sure the unicorns realize how badly Mori has fucked you up. I don't like her, but I cant deny that she's single handedly demonstrated that no matter how much you disrespect them and how generally cringe and obnoxious you are it wont tank your numbers in any way that matters.

The other girls are just looking at mori and realizing that they don't need to be nice to people like this board.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 08:14:17 No.33621820 Report

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>>33615880
IRyS is trustworthy too.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 08:18:01 No.33621936 Report

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>>33615647
Hope all you want but unless you take action nothing will happen. You won't do anything to make a change you'll just sit here on this board complaining.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 08:18:21 No.33621951 Report

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>>33621732
I don't GAF about unicorns, but if you are talking about numbers: how is Mori a good example when her numbers - from CCV to song views - have been trending downwards? Her new songs are getting way less views than her classics (not that it has anything to do with males anyway), and her viewerships are in the lower half among HoloEN nowadays

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 08:19:50 No.33622004 Report

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>>33615647
all this Kronii bait and you go with this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 08:31:06 No.33622346 Report

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>>33616287
They won't let the cancer spread, they'll shutdown the whole country again, if they have to.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 08:39:38 No.33622618 Report

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>>33621508
Matsuri's decline is mostly because, she confirmed having a boyfriend on roommate stream, but Rust has helped her a lot.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 08:51:08 No.33622980 Report

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>>33618216
Disingenuous as fuck minus your first line, Ayame, Shion, Chloe, Laplus. are not ambtious or treasure their viewers, if you think the ENs or IDs don't just because you're a weeb that's on you many of them have put in more effort specifically because they care they just don't see a problem with males (like some of the JPs). The ENs don't handle these situations as "diplomatically" as the JPs because they literally don't get a chance.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 08:58:43 No.33623199 Report

Quoted By: >>33627020

>>33615647
EN will end like Holostars JP and most of ID - forgotten and left to rot.
Gura and maybe Kiara as export product and face of EN among Japanese fans will be still supported by Cover but will be kinda like reverse Coco - EN girls that can speak Japanese.
Rest of the girls will prolapse and with no support from Cover will probably lose numbers. Except Mori who is basically self-sustainable but is she's willing to stay in Hololive?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 09:09:34 No.33623578 Report

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>>33618257
What do you think of someone like Marine ?
She doesn't make collab with males but isn't a seiso archetype

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 09:42:35 No.33624476 Report

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>>33622980
>that anon said Most JPs (not all, admittedly)
Do your reading comprehension reps now
And that anon was only comparing EN and JP, no one mention ID at all
And what's wrong with Chloe?
>many of them have put in more effort
Roru
Rumao
Koyori alone would probably mog most EN's streaming hours
The only exception that stream long hours is Kiara

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 10:06:00 No.33625116 Report

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>>33618216
They act like kids of a self-made billionaire.

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 10:25:58 No.33625620 Report

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>>33615647
And let the others rise? No can do

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 10:51:51 No.33626327 Report

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>>33615647
This thread is brought to you by a seething nijinigger. Of course you'd want that.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 11:13:14 No.33627020 Report

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>>33623199
As a JPfag I hope Gura will be successful with her reps

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 11:16:53 No.33627139 Report

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>>33615647
>He's afraid of males
Absolutely embarrassing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 11:19:56 No.33627239 Report

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>>33615647
BASED NIJIGOD. I HOPE SO TOO

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 12:20:51 No.33629842 Report

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>>33615647
because of one person?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 12:23:09 No.33629969 Report

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>>33615813
You sure its just gonna stop with EN? From some of the rabid hating on here on a daily bias, some would seem to argue to add onto that burning pyre most of ID and quite a few JP girls. I think at this rate /vt/ wants to saving Vtubing from Hololive moreso than save Hololive from certain girls in it.

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Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 12:31:01 No.33630415 Report

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>>33615647
I don't. I hope nothing but I'm not one of the fools that gave them money. It kind of sucks to be one of those losers but no sympathy, let them all implode.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 20 Sep 2022 13:49:05 No.33634849 Report

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>>33615647
they'll get rid of EN before that

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