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Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:18:17 No.38841528 View View Reply Original Report

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Why aren't western vtubers more humble and appreciative of their fans?

You always see them lashing out calling their fans incels or parasocial schizos on twitter, or pulling the typical e-girl "MEMBERSHIP IS ONLY 5 DOLLAR GAIS", numberfagging on stream, etc.

If I got payed thousands of dollars to stream video games for < 15 hours a week and get lathered in attention I would feel pretty fucking lucky, I would never lash out at my own audience.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:22:40 No.38841737 Report

Quoted By: >>38841849 >>38844567

Anglosphere "corporate culture" is centered on humiliating the customer. Japan hasn't caught up yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:24:28 No.38841849 Report

Quoted By: >>38842057 >>38842331 >>38847093 >>38848781 >>38858626

>>38841737
Whatever happened to the customer is always right?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:29:15 No.38842057 Report

Quoted By: >>38842309 >>38842324

>>38841849
Nobody who has ever worked a job that has to deal with customers has ever believed that. Customers are retarded amd in denial.
That line has only ever been cope by spouted by retards who think they're main characters.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:33:58 No.38842249 Report

Quoted By: >>38842309

why are bait threads not more creative

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:35:19 No.38842309 Report

Quoted By: >>38842402

>>38842249
>>38842057
Hi vtubers, did I strike a nerve?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:35:37 No.38842324 Report

Quoted By: >>38842382 >>38848122 >>38849823

>>38842057
it's not a belief you retard, it's a policy.
if you are a mcdonalds worker (high chance you are) and you forget to put in a burger, or sauce or something, and you get a complaint. you dont argue with the customer sperging about how you did put the sauce/burger/whatever in. you just concede. thats what "the customer is always right" means and its how it should be.
tick tock wagie btw judging by the current time there's a high chance youre posting on lunch break. back to work!

anyway in vtuber terms, to keep on topic, look at gura, she is constantly forgetting to put burgers in the drive thru bag (forgetting to stream).

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:35:44 No.38842331 Report

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>>38841849
>
Christian ethics got subverted, now customers are just faggots

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:37:04 No.38842382 Report

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>>38842324
store policies are just make believe, it's used to get both employees and customers compliant with nonsense so corpo can keep more money

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:37:37 No.38842402 Report

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>>38842309
you didn't even strike a chord

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:39:13 No.38842456 Report

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>>38841528
being humble contradicts western values

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Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:39:52 No.38842485 Report

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>>38841528
Because they start streaming not because they want to do it but because they want to have a lot of simps give them money for no effort and they think it's easy. Then when things don't go their way they lash out.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:40:49 No.38842528 Report

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>>38842485
It is easy, they just have to put in the most basic amount of effort.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:41:14 No.38842559 Report

Quoted By: >>38842650 >>38842710 >>38847188

>>38842456
This. West adheres to master morality and Japan adheres to slave morality due to colonial history. In the West being strong and proud is good, in Japan being weak and humble is good.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:42:02 No.38842598 Report

Quoted By: >>38842715

>>38841528
Key question: do male streamers do this as well?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:42:59 No.38842650 Report

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>>38842559
I get this, but how is there not a single western chuuba who also recognizes this and the fact that it hinders their own career? It's in their own interest as a content creator to behave as they do in Japan. Obviously they at least have SOME respect for the culture there otherwise they wouldn't be streaming as 2D anime girls.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:44:14 No.38842710 Report

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>>38842559
>Japan adheres to slave morality due to colonial history
Americans really shouldn’t even try to talk about history.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:44:19 No.38842715 Report

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>>38842598
Vox does, so I'm going to say yes, but perhaps to a lesser extent. You certainly don't hear about it as much. Maybe it's a female brain kind of thing, so mails with a more feminine brain tend to lean towards more menhera and vain tendencies.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:49:20 No.38842942 Report

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The way that a large majority of western women (and women everywhere in general) think is thru the lense of being owed something. And not thru the lense of that they need to work for something. The slight difference between the earlier generations of these companies is that they understand they role they needed work so they could make the vtuber company work. Like these companies were fledging and girls had to work on the promise it would get better. Like when the English girls debuted they were already a success. The first three generations of the Japanese girls were probably not sure if they were going to be able to continue the job. The newer generations of the jp branch like laplus didnt struggle to get their fame like fubuki and the rest of the older gens.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 21:57:41 No.38843319 Report

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>>38841528
Parasocials are a fucking pest that needs to be aggressively removed from vtubing.
>Girl wants to stream
>Incel retards flock pretending she's their animu waifu
>Girl unaware follows up the fad to get some money
>Girls being girls eventually get a partner or collab/befriends a big name male
>Incels chimp out, drama unleashes, careers ends, hate, dox and recurrent antis follow
>Repeat
Some women loathe coomers, some women loathe shippers, some women loathe parasocials.
I don't know why you "anti-western vtubers" prefer this fake ass facade rather than honest to the bone streamers, I guess it to cope with your delusions instead of facing reality.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:04:21 No.38843603 Report

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>>38843319
>I don't know why you "anti-western vtubers" prefer this fake ass facade rather than honest to the bone streamers, I guess it to cope with your delusions instead of facing reality.
because escapism anon. and I say this as an oldfag, sometimes you need escapism.
also vtubing didn't invent parasocial relationships. and if you think non parasocial people will buy as much merch or as many akasupas, well I have a hole on the HoloEN Minecraft server to sell you.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:11:03 No.38843913 Report

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>>38843319
It’s always tragic when women have to deal with men liking them. My heart goes out to them and their families. All they ever wanted was to stream Minecraft.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:18:58 No.38844259 Report

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>>38843319
>i want my cake and to eat it too

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:20:50 No.38844367 Report

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>>38843319
also, big corpos aren't "girl wants to stream". big corpos are "girl started streaming five year ago and now she's a big girl and can handle this bullshit or she wouldn't be here".

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:21:35 No.38844399 Report

Quoted By: >>38846146

>>38843319
Entitled female hands wrote this post

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:23:58 No.38844521 Report

Quoted By: >>38844587

>>38841528
You should choose a better oshi.
The vtubers I follow or followed never did such things as you mention.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:24:06 No.38844525 Report

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>>38843319
>Girl unaware
Poor innocent victim, hadn't the faintest clue that blowing kisses at their chat, telling them "i love you", etc. would result in people donating a lot of money and reciprocating those feelings unironically. You need help if you think like this.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:25:03 No.38844567 Report

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>>38841737
>Anglosphere "corporate culture" is centered on humiliating the customer.
This is only because the stock market gets pumped with quantitative easing (inflationbux), overvaluing every single company on there to high heaven, so that they don't have to keep their customers happy anymore. What, you thought Microsoft and Apple were actually worth trillions? LMAO

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:25:22 No.38844587 Report

Quoted By: >>38844628

>>38844521
Yes and I can garuntee you none of them are western.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:26:19 No.38844628 Report

Quoted By: >>38844673

>>38844587
Some are. Not from the big 2 though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:27:10 No.38844673 Report

Quoted By: >>38844799

>>38844628
Then of the ones that are Western, most certainly none of them are smaller indies who live and feed on twitter clout and validation.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:30:04 No.38844799 Report

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>>38844673
I guess not, they are small corpo

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:58:38 No.38846146 Report

Quoted By: >>38846203 >>38846268

>>38844399
>Possessive unicuck talking about being entitled
Kys, streamers own you nothing

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 22:59:55 No.38846203 Report

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>>38846146
>ESL
>Seething SEA female shitting up the board
you can't make this shit up, this is the kinds of people posting here these days

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 23:00:58 No.38846268 Report

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>>38846146
neither do the viewers

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 23:02:35 No.38846347 Report

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>>38843319
>>Girl unaware
imagine actually believing this lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 23:02:57 No.38846367 Report

Quoted By: >>38847125

>>38841528
Shup up Nip, as if you guys were better.

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Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 23:17:25 No.38847093 Report

Quoted By: >>38847182 >>38859585

>>38841849
I know this is a joke, but that shit died before anyone on this board was even born. When pic related happened, you either put up with companies or you starved. You can't even avoid them by going out into the middle of the woods and building a log cabin because the very nature of having to do it will require the interaction between a dozen different companies, so why should they be nice to you? You're their bitch, not the other way around. The worst you can do is go to another company who will also treat you like shit.

change a couple words in the last paragraph and I'm describing vtubers. At the end of the day, you're giving interaction/engagement to a woman who just wants your wallet, why should you be respected? What are you going to do? Go to another woman who wants your engagement and wallet? They think you're lower than scum.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 23:18:06 No.38847125 Report

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>>38846367
They are though

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 23:19:23 No.38847182 Report

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>>38847093
Viewer uprising required, we should boycott all of these bitches and just watch JP for a while

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 23:19:27 No.38847188 Report

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>>38842559
Ironic considering the west, especially America, is just vassal states split between Chinese and Israeli interests lol

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 23:20:35 No.38847238 Report

Quoted By: >>38847267

>>38841528
Where are these tweets? Haven't seen them from any of the westerners i follow or is this just 0-view, vtweeting, debut tba, pngtubers?

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 23:21:16 No.38847267 Report

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>>38847238
These kinds of tweets are pretty common for the Niji EN

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 23:39:12 No.38848122 Report

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>>38842324
NTA but that sort of policy is what keeps society weak. The customer is not always right, sometimes you have to stand up for yourself. We need strong fascism, not your weak corporate neoliberalism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Mon 12 Dec 2022 23:52:15 No.38848781 Report

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>>38841849
That only works if the customer is polite. Unfortunately the demographics of the US have changed to the point where most customers are awful people.
The amount of shoplifting in the US is insane.
You don't see Japanese customers attacking employees or taking a shit in the middle of the store if they think they're being inconvenienced in some way like you see in the US.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 00:13:45 No.38849823 Report

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>>38842324
If customers only had legitimate complaints, there wouldn't even be a discussion about it.
The customer is always right culture is what made the entitled Karens of this world.

As for Gura forgetting the hamburgers; can't complain much when she's doing it for free. She's never begged for superchats or memberships, and shows she cares little by rarely reading them and hardly doing membership streams. She spends much of her time and own money to bring free Live 3D events and other projects, while most other Hololive members opt out.

For those still confused. If want to support her, buy merch, not SCs. You actually get something in return.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 00:18:55 No.38850069 Report

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>>38841528
>Why aren't western vtubers more humble and appreciative of their fans?
Because they don't think they need to be. Too many western faggots believe that holding females to any kind of standards is the highest form of evil, and they flood every social media platform with this nonsense. Chuubas read this shit and think to themselves "You know what, they're right! I should be able to do whatever I want without consequences!" Unfortunately for them reality doesn't work that way, the consequences are still there, they're just hidden because nobody wants to deal with a horde of white-knight faggots spamming the "incel" and "touch grass" at them, instead it's easier to just silently slip away. The kicker is that this culture of entitlement is so deeply ingrained into them that when they inevitably struggle for numbers they will never connect the dots and realise that there is probably a link between being a lazy entitled cunt and people leaving.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 00:28:45 No.38850549 Report

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>>38841528
Most western girls are being taught to be entitled pieces of shit while nip girls are taught to be girly and just regular human beings (they can be entitled pieces of shit too but it's not systematically taught to them in mass).
Keep in mind nips are extremely autistic and that a lot of japanese vtubers are too compared to western vtubers who are just clout chasing normalfags.
In hololive, for example, most of the girls are otakus of some kind, which allows them to develop some degree of empathy towards their viewers as they aren't that difference while western vtubers are just regular normalfag twitch streamers using an anime avatar and a lot of people who watch them are otaku, mix turbo normalfag with turbo otaku and some sort of conflict will arise. The only shitty holo I can think of is ayame. She's honorary westerner.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 00:31:00 No.38850675 Report

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>>38841528
>Don't feel the need to donate. Your company is more than enough - Gura
Take my money!

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 00:33:44 No.38850815 Report

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>>38841528
>If I got payed thousands of dollars to stream video games for < 15 hours a week and get lathered in attention I would feel pretty fucking lucky, I would never lash out at my own audience.
yeah, maybe at the start. i'd give you a few months tops before you got used to it and then felt all the stupid shit that being a streamer is and start lashing out. You stupid fucks always think everything is just as simple as it looks from the outside cause you're all a bunch of 10 IQ mouth breathing retards who don't have anything in your head except stupid buzzwords from this site. Die

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Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 00:49:58 No.38851646 Report

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>>38843319
They always want the ups but not the downs. Here's your vtuber model if you don't want your success to be based on parasocialism.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 01:10:34 No.38852800 Report

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Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 01:22:39 No.38853441 Report

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>>38843319
> weirdo men have had parasocial reltionships with anime girls since anime girls were invented
> Miyazaki himself famously had a waifu that inspired him to get into animation
>Video Girl Ai is a famous manga and OVA about a GFE video-tape coming to life and the protag falling in love with her
> Women who pretend to be anime girls on the internet are caught completely unaware of what kind of men they will attract to their streams

Either you're retarded or women are collectively retarded. I'll let you decide which you think it is.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 01:23:21 No.38853486 Report

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>>38841528
Ionlung loves her fans and is pretty parasocial with them

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 02:08:28 No.38856086 Report

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>>38843319
Sounds like you need some help.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 02:17:38 No.38856662 Report

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bear eating food
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOaLjhgUEDE

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 02:21:49 No.38856927 Report

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>>38843319
>normalfag and their moral correctness
Fuck me sideways

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 02:47:40 No.38858626 Report

Quoted By: >>38859228

>>38841849
As someone that works in customer support I can tell you that's the biggest piece of shit lie ever invented by capitalism and only faggots belive it

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 02:56:47 No.38859228 Report

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>>38858626
Maybe you just suck at your job?

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 03:02:22 No.38859585 Report

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>>38847093
I particularly love the ''indie freedom'' twitch Vtubers boast around when they all work for fucking amazon, KEK.

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 03:18:32 No.38860615 Report

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>>38843319
all media revolve around the parasocial fucking retard

Anonymous

Anonymous Tue 13 Dec 2022 04:31:45 No.38865106 Report

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>>38841528
Because you don't watch males

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