>>446630>Holostars were basically only known for being male idols, which is why they failed. You even point out that Roberu's been the most successful at climbing out of obscurity, and that's 100% because of memes.Memes give exposure. The content determines if that exposure will turn into something tangible. Roberu spawned memes and was able to retain the audience because he is the most entertaining of them all. He didn't make it because he collabed with Pekora and Marine or something.
If it was just about clips then homos wouldn't need to leech off Hololive in the first place because they would have their own dedicated clipper fans. You know why Hololive threads constantly spam Astel shit? It's because one (1) homo gachikoi really into Astel was spamming him every single day for months on end and forced his meme. Too bad for him it didn't change a damn thing in the end because nobody cares for Astel's content.
>One collab with Ollie put Astel of all people on the front page and had him instantly get past a subscriber milestone. Cross-collabs with popular members would definitely help.What put him on the front page was novelty of a homo collabing with someone other than Fubuki, Matuli, Risu or Iofi. Oga had a collab with Fubuki and the only thing it did was piss off the few remaining cornfags some more, didn't even give the homo a bump in daily subs. Astel is still lower than Rikka in monthly subs and nobody ever watches Oga no matter how many collabs he gets. 400-500 average viewers 5 months ago, 400-500 average viewers now. We did it reddit! Why? For what purpose?
>First off, moving the goalposts, since the discussion was about what put the international eye on Hololive.The dicsussion was about what "got them where they are". I'm arguing that getting international eye was only a part of getting where they are.
>Second of all, you have not shown where the idolfaggotry leads to the money overseasI'm sure people who watch Mori's streams at 3AM and throw a supa at her every other day do it because they have nothing better to do and just need to aleviate their boredom with some fun stream that just happens to be online when they have nothing better to do. Uh-huh. Mori has already earned more money in supacha than Fubuki or Haachama did since their debuts back in 2018 by the way.
>Do you really think the people that watch Pekora are idolfags?JOPs who throw money at Pessan? Absolutely. If you think that the hero of the children thing is all talk then think again, really hard this time. Even Kiryuu-kai are idolfags, they are just the odd ones I talked about. Coco sometimes talks about it, you know. What do you think, orange woman gets all that money because yakuza can't help but give her money when they see reddit memes and hear Numb by Linkin Park performed in a seal being tortured with a rusty cleaver voice?
If you talk about EOPs who don't understand one thing JPs say then sure, most of them are not idolfags. Idolfaggotry doesn't work very well with the langauge barrier. They don't supacha and aren't the target audience though. Valuable kaigai JP fans are people like lyger. EN is where EOP idolfags are at.
>She got infected by APEX.Aqua plays APEX. Ayame plays APEX. Hell, Towa plays APEX and is doing relatively well for herself. Rushia, Miko and Coco were playing ARK for months. Debuff games can work out if the audience cares about the person streaming them enough, which is the point.
