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Shit on them all you want but they deserved their fame and success more than the recent JP gens. Mori alone is unironically more talented than the entirety of gen 5. You have an actual professional level artist in Ina. Gura is one of the best, if not THE best singing talent in hololive. Orange woman is bilingual and she has her talkshow. Its dogshit, I know but again, that's more effort than the entirety of gen 5 and gen 4 with the sole exception of Coco. Amelia is the only average holo, talent-wise. EN wasn't even marketed as idols but 3 of them actually bothered to make at least one original song each and Gura has 5 songs in the making apparently. Tell me ONE talent from Lamy, Polka, Noel, Flare, Luna, Kanata and Coco, for example, aside from talking and hitting the "start stream" button. As far as I can tell, that's what every chuuba is capable of doing and more.
