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Turns out that pandering to e-celeb worshipping clipfaggots is not a viable long term career strategy.
Especially when all those E-celebs that used to constantly interact with you fucked off once the vtuber fad died down in the ironic weebsphere. They can't leech off her anymore. Remember all those E-celebs calling in to her first birthday?
Sad part is she never learned her lesson, she's still letting western cancer indies use her to boost their numbers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 14:44:37 No.47874181 Report

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>>47873963
Basically this + she thought it was a good idea to invite the Holo girls who don't collab with males and the starsJp as a ''surprise'' to an among us tournament, the stars JP quickly dip'd when they saw what Ollie was doing and got an earful from some of the Holo girls off-stream, doesn't help that before she said she wanted to destroy the ''barrier'' that kept hololive and stars separated by any means.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 14:45:54 No.47874245 Report

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ID is heavily culled

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 14:46:12 No.47874254 Report

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>Being a whore is a debuff
Shocking I know.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 14:46:54 No.47874298 Report

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>>47874181
>a ''surprise''
That's evil.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 14:47:46 No.47874350 Report

Quoted By: >>47874432 >>47874661 >>47875161 >>47878809

>>47874083
What is Kobo?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 14:48:42 No.47874392 Report

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>>47873849
She gets 2k+ playing Minecraft.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 14:49:45 No.47874432 Report

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>>47874350
Kobo networks with Indonesian content creators. She stays far away from w*stoid trash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 14:54:05 No.47874661 Report

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>>47874350
Kobor worked with someone who already famous or bigger most of the time.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 14:55:45 No.47874737 Report

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>>47874073
>During Eid to boot
absolutely haram

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 14:58:23 No.47874840 Report

Quoted By: >>47877750

>>47874181
Proof

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:01:41 No.47875002 Report

Quoted By: >>47875092 >>47876194 >>47879301

>>47874073
>id girl
>muslim
That like saying burgerland, Christian

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:03:28 No.47875085 Report

Quoted By: >>47875188

>>47874181
>collab with males and the starsJp as a ''surprise''
she always trying to pull this, even in that apex tourney she was trying to make nene collab with male.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:03:37 No.47875092 Report

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>>47875002
>moona did daily ramadan streams
>kaela - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcyvtm6PQqQ
>kobo - picrel

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:04:36 No.47875139 Report

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>>47873849
numberfags are mentally ill

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:05:07 No.47875161 Report

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>>47874350
the different is kobo didn't shit on her indonesian fans like ollie did. that was retarded honestly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:05:48 No.47875188 Report

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>>47875085
no, she wasn't nigger. she specifically made a holo only tourney so that the girls wouldn't have to interact with males if they didn't want to

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:07:26 No.47875253 Report

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>>47874181
I feel like if this happened Japanese twitter would've heard about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:09:29 No.47875348 Report

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>>47875161
>shit on her indonesian fans
Well deserved, Ollie desires white men anyway.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:10:27 No.47875377 Report

Quoted By: >>47875916 >>47880613

>>47875092
>Ramadan stream
Dropped.
Sorry Kaela, I hate shitslam and everything it stands for.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:12:27 No.47875450 Report

Quoted By: >>47878447

>>47875092
>muslim
>have a literal pet dog
It just cultural at this point, some indonesia anon even explain how most school just relocate every children in 5 houses religion, christian, hindu, Buddha, islam, and something randomly.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:12:35 No.47875458 Report

Quoted By: >>47875738

>>47873849
>>47874073
*cough *cough it's cause of male collabs *cough *cough

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:14:10 No.47875521 Report

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Yubi yubi
E-celeb clout grifter
Webcam incident

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:14:30 No.47875530 Report

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If you wan the non-meme answser the same thing that happened to Matsuri and Aqua. You spam endless APEX eventually you only attract people that watch APEX and when you do anything else they dont keep watching.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:16:00 No.47875599 Report

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>>47873849
because she's fucking ugly lmao

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:16:19 No.47875607 Report

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>>47873849
She can? She's had more viewers than that within the last 24 hours.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:17:43 No.47875668 Report

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>>47873849
Ollie collabs more with literal whos than collab with HoloEN/JP.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:19:27 No.47875738 Report

Quoted By: >>47875918

>>47875458
Didn't hurt Kobo. Isn't it because she just never cultivated an ID fanbase and she streams at weird hours for EN audiences.

I think she should start streaming regularly at the time Gura normally does, since Gura doesn't really stream anyways. She'd probably get EN fans who have nothing else to watch coming in.

She's a cute nice girl, and I think her model is one of the better ones in hololive. I'd like to see her do well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:20:26 No.47875779 Report

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>>47873963
Leeches saw the Logo and imagined the numbers and her being a gateway to the bigger holos. They realized that she's a deadend and wanted to actually be friends, so they all left.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:23:46 No.47875916 Report

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>>47875377
They only talked and held a quiz about wild rift related stuff. No islamic stuff at all. It just so happened during the month of Ramadan and there are a lot of muslim there.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:23:47 No.47875918 Report

Quoted By: >>47875994

>>47875738
uhh yeah it did, her viewership has declined like crazy, she was just way bigger then ollie ever was and she didn't collabs with western e-celebs so she still get's decent viewership overall

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:25:42 No.47875994 Report

Quoted By: >>47876015 >>47876174

>>47875918
doesn't kobo do worst then most of EN in terms of CCV and superchats?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:26:18 No.47876015 Report

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>>47875994
ID fans are vodwatchers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:28:15 No.47876083 Report

Quoted By: >>47876428

>>47873849
Pandering to fleshtubers and random ecelebs, gaining subs from that but absolutely 0 new viewers.

Obnoxious voice and personality.

The fattest sausage fingers I've unironically seen on a stream

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:30:14 No.47876162 Report

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>>47876015
vods are inconsistent as fuck and aren't a good metric to go off of since it's so dependant on the youtube algorithm, sometimes youtube buffs or nerfs vods like crazy on a whim, compared to streams which is more about returning viewers and people who follow them on social media

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:30:27 No.47876174 Report

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>>47875994
yes

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:30:55 No.47876192 Report

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face reveal debuff

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:30:56 No.47876194 Report

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>>47875002
"87% of Indonesians decalred Muslim on the 2010 census."
>https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/indonesia-population

I think its pretty fair to make that generalization here anon...

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:31:25 No.47876216 Report

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>>47876015
also views are 1000 times easier to bot then live viewers, that's another reason why we don't use vod views as a consistent metric, it's hard to fake live viewers (in a convincing way) but it's easy as hell to fake video views

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:36:01 No.47876424 Report

Quoted By: >>47876575

>>47874181
I still remember during post debut, when she thought Hololive was "one big happy family," and would constantly message both the EN and JP girls when they're streaming, and Kiara had to put a stop to it, because they still didn't knew Ollie very well, and she was annoying them.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:36:05 No.47876428 Report

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>>47876083
>The fattest sausage fingers I've unironically seen on a stream
Aint Selen a contender lmao?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:38:34 No.47876549 Report

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>>47876194
The thing is most muslim girls here are either too conservative or too normal to know about jp culture or vtubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:39:25 No.47876575 Report

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>>47876424
So in a sense she was the most positive fan and believed in an utopian vision of Hololive? Kinda feel bad that she met reality face first and it has harmed her career.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:41:40 No.47876685 Report

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>>47876575
>utopia
>unity
yeah utopia for cuckold fetishists maybe

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:45:33 No.47876861 Report

Quoted By: >>47877033

>>47873849
CdawgVA unironically, funny how Mori wasn’t able to learn from what happened with Ollie, or maybe she wasn’t aware of it at that time

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:47:12 No.47876935 Report

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>>47876575
She didnt even get out of the collab ban b4 she got "fingered on stream" (allegedly). During a fkn collab...

I wonder why some wanted to distance themselves from this ticking timebomb of dramas.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:49:55 No.47877033 Report

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>>47876861
Mori paying attention to other ppl?
In what timeline is this?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:52:56 No.47877166 Report

Quoted By: >>47877372

>Can't get to Axel's numbers
>Tarot reading
Are you retarded anon?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:54:19 No.47877229 Report

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>>47876575
it’s kinda hilarious that the twitch indies show more unity than hololive within their own gen

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:55:30 No.47877276 Report

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>>47876575
She'll bounce back, she's respected by the rest of the vtubing community because she'll participate in things like Obake Pam's (Play Asia's 2view mascot chuuba) song marathon. Shuba and Migo used to collab with men too, then they saw what it did to their numbers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:57:15 No.47877372 Report

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>>47877166
Mio have less subs than Ollie and she would still by minimum 5x Axel's viewers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 15:57:29 No.47877381 Report

Quoted By: >>47877600 >>47877612 >>47877644 >>47877768 >>47877802 >>47878776 >>47879506

Just here to ask: what happened between her and Connor? All I know is that they haven't interacted in a very long time when they used to be really close. Did he really just drop her like that after realizing she wouldn't be his door to the ENs?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:02:04 No.47877599 Report

Quoted By: >>47879413

>>47877229
It's hilarious that you're treating indies as a singular group, simultaneously ignoring all the indies that don't get along and only counting indies that do. And when I say hilarious, I mean you're an idiot that can't solve a two-piece puzzle.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:02:04 No.47877600 Report

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>>47877381
Girls get so much shit collabing with males (specially irl males) that probably she or her manager just decided to stop doing that. (Also Connor still has Mori)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:02:17 No.47877612 Report

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>>47877381
Dumped like a trash after she's no longer useful for him

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:03:05 No.47877644 Report

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>>47877381
He found a better host

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:05:15 No.47877750 Report

Quoted By: >>47879608

>>47874840
The "the stars JP quickly dip'd when they saw what Ollie was doing and got an earful from some of the Holo girls off-stream" bit is bullshit that anon made up on the spot but the barriers thing is something she has brought up multiple times in some way or another.

https://files.catbox.moe/fyoguw.m4a
1:23:25
>I'm kind of worried... because I'm actually good friends with a lot of guys, I'm worried. Is it a problem?
>Like most of the people I play with are men.
>I have some female friends, but I don't play with them as much for some reason. I wonder if it's really okay, I'm really not feeling the idol aura here.
>I'm just worried that people will say that I don't belong at Hololive.
>I really hate those kinds of comments. Because my senpai don't really collab with men as much.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:05:32 No.47877768 Report

Quoted By: >>47877975

>>47877381
>Did he really just drop her like that after realizing she wouldn't be his door to the ENs?
They all did. Anons were saying right from the get-go that she was being used.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:05:42 No.47877776 Report

Quoted By: >>47878249

>>47873849
Fat, way too down bad, loud, apex, males, indog.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:06:13 No.47877802 Report

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>>47877381
She lost to Mori when they dueled over his cock

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:08:02 No.47877882 Report

Quoted By: >>47877972 >>47878036

>>47873849
Bad timing for her audience. She streams when the vast majority of her follows are asleep or are at work.
Also, nobody gives a fuck about tarot.

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Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:10:14 No.47877972 Report

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>>47877882
Oh, and it looks like she was overlapping with Risu singing.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:10:17 No.47877975 Report

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>>47877768
> Implying anons aren't just schizos with a fear of being cucked by girls they'll never know

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:11:42 No.47878036 Report

Quoted By: >>47878405

>>47877882
>She streams when the vast majority of her follows are asleep or are at work.

That stream was 9 to 11 PM local ID time anon...

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Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:17:03 No.47878249 Report

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>>47877776
>Fat

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:19:17 No.47878359 Report

Quoted By: >>47878476 >>47878524

Didn't she also have some kind of drama with giving preferential treatment to one of her fans to the point of playing with him on voice/offstream or am I misremembering? And before anyone says it I am not thinking of Finana.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:20:25 No.47878405 Report

Quoted By: >>47878552

>>47878036
>BTFO'd Indogs who are mad about her speaking in English so often.
>Said her follows are mostly from America in the above rant.
>Gets supas in USD more than all otehr currency combined.
I stand by what I said, nigger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:21:18 No.47878447 Report

Quoted By: >>47878673 >>47882599

>>47875450
Which one has a dog?
Based dog owning vtubers are a nice change from all the cat lady ones.

Why do muslims hate dogs so much? Literally mans best friend and they will love you more than any other animal.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:21:44 No.47878470 Report

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>>47877975
Who's a fan of Ollie in that way? She was always perceived as the little sister type. I mean, believe your lying eyes. Has she toned down on the eceleb cockriding because she chose to or because they dumped her?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:21:51 No.47878476 Report

Quoted By: >>47878602

>>47878359
No, she never do that thing, that was rushia

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:23:03 No.47878524 Report

Quoted By: >>47878602

>>47878359
That's Lia of Phase Connect.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:23:47 No.47878552 Report

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>>47878405
You said nothing about her main fans being americans in the post I quoted.
Dont expect me to read every single post in this thread and take them to heart sandnigger.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:25:05 No.47878602 Report

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>>47878476
>>47878524
No I am certain It was related to Ollie, it was a case of a superchatter becoming some kind of chat celebrity and pestering her to play with him and she ended up doing so as far as I can remember. It was early on but I can't remember the names to easily find it in the archives

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:26:42 No.47878673 Report

Quoted By: >>47878793 >>47878828 >>47878948

>>47878447
>Which one has a dog?
Kobo
>Why do muslims hate dogs so much?
We don't hate them. Hell, I even want to adopt one. It's just having dog as a pet is not feasible because of certain rule.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:28:35 No.47878776 Report

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>>47877381
IIRC someone said she talked about people not playing with ehr when they found out it wasn't going to be streamed as "content".
Also Connor found a new host (Ironmouse).

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:29:03 No.47878793 Report

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>>47878673
>It's just having dog as a pet is not feasible because of certain rule
islam is retarded

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:29:20 No.47878809 Report

Quoted By: >>47879120 >>47879490

>>47874350
let's see the Eceleb Kobo collabed with
>5 million subs
>newest video have 4,3 million views
https://youtube.com/@MILYHYA
>10 million subs
>newsest live stream vod have 4,8 million views
maybe Ollie should stop being self hating faggot

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:29:42 No.47878828 Report

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>>47878673
This, having dogs is just hard cuz of taharah, but past that we've got nothing against, them. Me personally, I love dogs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:31:58 No.47878948 Report

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>>47878673
>It's just having dog as a pet is not feasible because of certain rule.
A rule that doesn't apply to cats... Almost as if someone dislikes dogs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:32:04 No.47878957 Report

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>>47873849
She's just very loud.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:32:42 No.47878988 Report

Quoted By: >>47879121 >>47879318

>>47873849
Isn't tarot card reading haram in Islam? Something about divination and what not?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:35:28 No.47879120 Report

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>>47878809
SEA is the future. Cover should abandon the w*st and dissolve EN.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:35:30 No.47879121 Report

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>>47878988
Tarot is bullshit but muslims are crazy, they get butthort over shit as simple as Chinese bugs.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:39:10 No.47879301 Report

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>>47875002
The is a Christian nation, liter 90% is some form of Christianity

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:39:28 No.47879318 Report

Quoted By: >>47880020 >>47881689

>>47878988
There's a running joke among here that the highest rank of haram is eating pork. Meaning that something like tarot doesn't really concern us.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:41:25 No.47879413 Report

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>>47877599
BASED ANON.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:42:44 No.47879490 Report

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>>47878809
Kobo also show up in Minecraft Rewind
in short the Eceleb she collabed with share the same demographic with her
https://youtu.be/n6P_s3HMGOI

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:43:01 No.47879506 Report

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>>47877381
Bro, she being used, even her manager stop her from going into rando clipper.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:45:09 No.47879608 Report

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>>47877750
Tbh she a retard, towa does it right, she play with her fps group male/female and keep hololive group outside of it. Ollie want to bring hololive group into that shit and cause backlash.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:53:54 No.47880020 Report

Quoted By: >>47880101

>>47879318
Tarot doesn't mean shit if people just do it for fun. Would you believe a tarot saying you gonna struck by lightning this year? Nobody care.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:55:35 No.47880101 Report

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>>47880020
That's what I'm saying

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:56:10 No.47880131 Report

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>>47874073
>government imposed culture is not the same as actual random peoples culture

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 16:56:22 No.47880140 Report

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>>47873963
I remember actually feeling bad for her when one of the homos she shilled didn't even know she had gotten a new outfit with drills and said they would look good on her.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 17:06:56 No.47880613 Report

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>>47875377
>>47875916
Also, it's a sponsored stream

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 17:10:21 No.47880780 Report

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>>47877276
yeah she's a vtubing fan through and through
reminds me of my oshi

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 17:27:15 No.47881543 Report

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>>47873849
People should be grateful that Ollie reached 1 million subs and thus we got Kobo & ID3.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 17:30:49 No.47881689 Report

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>>47879318
https://youtu.be/-dHhJadN-6M

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 17:43:50 No.47882256 Report

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Ollie let a leech named connor latch onto her and Mori until he deemed them useless and moved on

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 17:51:45 No.47882599 Report

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>>47878447
dog fucking suck
cats are smart and can take care of themselves
dogs clingy ass fuckers
lawn pooper suckers
musk walk everyday or i'll be mean bite your ass and kill your toddlers no brainers

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 17:55:29 No.47882787 Report

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Vtubers are Haram. Most of her fans are foreigners. Time zones exist.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 22 Apr 2023 18:00:05 No.47883024 Report

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it's over

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