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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:13:27 No.52538871 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>52538970 >>52564569 >>52568619 >>52569864

NijiEN's new vtubers are not doing well.
What does this mean for the future of the branch? "Accelerate" only works in a growing market.

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:15:05 No.52538970 Report

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>>52538871
Vanta is cute and I enjoy watching him :)

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:15:59 No.52539022 Report

Quoted By: >>52539054

How are they doing?

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:16:37 No.52539054 Report

Quoted By: >>52540564 >>52541283 >>52549842 >>52565566

>>52539022
3view one week after debut

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:23:42 No.52539438 Report

Quoted By: >>52541038 >>52556768

It doesn't matter if this wave fails, or the next one, or the one after. Eventually one will succeed and acceleration means you get to that one sooner rather than later.

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:24:20 No.52539481 Report

Quoted By: >>52539673 >>52540395 >>52541518 >>52553843 >>52556327 >>52566595

Nah, the problem is that NijiEN is headless now. The management that actually got the branch running left. NijiEN up until Noctyx was playing all its cards correctly (with a few hiccups) and had clear direction so as to what it wanted. They successfully created an alternative to HoloEN with the first three waves, then used that as a platform to tap into the male market and did it within a schedule.

Compare that to how aimless and poorly paced these last three waves feel. Iluna and Xsoleil are all over the place and I'm not even sure who it is that wanted a gamer wave, since every vtuber out there plays games already.

t. Nijinegro

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:27:21 No.52539673 Report

Quoted By: >>52540008 >>52540050 >>52540685

>>52539481
How are illuna and xsoliel 'all over the place'?

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:33:49 No.52540008 Report

Quoted By: >>52541023 >>52556839 >>52568682

>>52539673
Seriously? Have you looked at Iluna?
>Kyo, whose resume was trolling on Omegle and sounding black
>Ren barely streams
>Aster has negative sex appeal despite his model
>Aia tanked completely because she didn't know what she was doing in Niji
>Maria is completely different from the rest of Iluna as she's an authentic weeb and idolfag

Iluna was a fucking mess. Then Xsoleil was slightly less messy, but it still had two girls who got in EN because they couldn't get in JP and another girl who should've never been in a corpo to begin with. Now this latest waves had half its people quit before it even started.

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:34:36 No.52540050 Report

Quoted By: >>52540824

>>52539673
those people have nothing in common with each other, why are they even in the same group? The problem with ILuna is mostly Kyo who nobody can stand ruining his group's dynamic. Or maybe mixed waves tend to have poor group dynamics since the audience is completely separate.
This new wave is full of ESL so how can they even communicate or relate to each other?

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:40:42 No.52540395 Report

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>>52539481
Iluna was kinda a big deal being the first Mixed EN vtuber wave and Ren was killing it on the first month. But it kinda fell apart with Ren refusing to do solo streams and collabing with Aster a lot. When he started doing more solo streams his audience already left him.

And thats the problem with Niji waves. They hit gold with a new thing(Luxiem being the first big corpo male wave,Iluna being the first Big mixed corpo wave) but can't translate to long term sucess.

It's a problem that Niji refuses to find a solution and returns to just trowing things on the wall and praying it sticks.

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:44:39 No.52540564 Report

Quoted By: >>52540785 >>52547042

>>52539054
JESAS debut buff doko?

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:47:12 No.52540685 Report

Quoted By: >>52541220

>>52539673
Kyo is a normie
Ren is a normie
Aster is a ragie femboy gamer who's STRAIGHT
Maria is an idol otaku who fits perfectly as imouto doll
Aia is a dorky fujo whose model is perfectly aligned to her, but they tried to force her in as some sort of bully (it didn't fit her at all and she abandoned it in 1 day)
Scarle is a hardcore yumejoshi who got assigned a semen demon model
Basically their main issue is all of them are luxiem fans who don't know vtubing besides aster (who sucks) and Maria

Xsoleil is weird
Meloco is cool but she's in en despite being esl as fuck (great singer and hardcore fujo otaku)
Kotoka is cool, no complaints with her
Zaion was a genshin 1trick and didn't listen to her bosses in a jap company
Hex is just a shameless Vox carbon copy
Ver is boring as fuck
Doppio is a kickass chuuni, one of the best ever

They're very hit or miss as talents. Their main issue is they ran out of hanamori friends to hire.

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:48:59 No.52540785 Report

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>>52540564
That is the debut buff, he is going to get lower numbers in the next weeks

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:49:54 No.52540824 Report

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>>52540050
Do people outside of /here/ really care about Kyo that much?

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:52:58 No.52540990 Report

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From:
>"This leak is fake and AI generated"
to:
>"T-They don't look that bad"
to now:
>"T-they are alright PLS WATCH THEM PLS PLS PLS"
No, buy an ad.

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:53:37 No.52541023 Report

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>>52540008
i like anon mention 5 of iluna and left scarle alone like she do with herself doing her own thing

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:53:54 No.52541038 Report

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>>52539438
no it doesn't matter because all these branches still make Anycolor bank on merch. Debut goods alone probably cover the model costs ten fold and these guys didn't even have a song.

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:57:49 No.52541220 Report

Quoted By: >>52565589

>>52540685
>They're very hit or miss as talents.
this is Japan's problem. they take streamers who are good at their own thing but force them into dumbfuck models and characters that can't be changed. then they complain about why there's a mismatch. same problem happens with cover.

if they took even half a brain cell's worth of consideration into the personality of each of the streamers they models and branding would make so much more sense.

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 21:58:54 No.52541283 Report

Quoted By: >>52542031 >>52573867

>>52539054
isn't 980 for a homo good?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 22:02:55 No.52541518 Report

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>>52539481
They lost a huge chunk of the original lazulight/obsydia audience when they debuted Luxiem though. Now that the Chinese fujo audience has also fallen off significantly I'm not sure what the direction for the branch is going to be. Tempus is still not doing Luxiem numbers, but they're doing fine for EN male vtubers, and Holo girls are doing infinitely better than their NijiEN counterparts.

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 22:10:50 No.52542031 Report

Quoted By: >>52551294 >>52566087

>>52541283
Not for a niji male

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 22:13:21 No.52542224 Report

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I won't say anything bad about them as people since I never watched their debut streams or any of their other streams for that matter, and also because the current situation at NijiEN has basically nothing to to with them as people/streamers. The main issue is that as a branch, NijiEN dropped the ball so hard this year that its impossible to imagine a way they could quickly turn things around. First there was the cancellation of AR Fes a week after announcing it, and that was soon followed up with nearly half of the branch being MIA, either because they were down and decided a vacation in Japan would cheer them up, or because they were fucking doxxed like poor Vox was and had to relocate because of it, so that right there resulted in the branch losing a lot of momentum.
Then there was the situation with how they announced Zaion's termination, tweeting it not only as Vox was doing his charity stream but choosing to announce it the same fucking day as Pomu's new outfit reveal, there's no getting around it, the timing was horrifically bad. Regardless on whether you feel she deserved it or not (I personally dont think she deserved it that bad, lets agree to disagree for now), the impact didn't seem to be good for the collective mindset of the fans since now it made it look like any of their oshis could be terminated and publicly shamed for any inane number of reasons.

Now we're in July and the branch has dealing with back-to-back leaks from any number of sources within the company, from the 2% merch cut, to Krisis being leaked nearly 1:1 save for Aruvn and 2-3 other members being canned, to some Anon leaking that Nina would be graduated that very day and that another big graduation is on the way. Again, nothing against the remnants on the Gamer Wave, but they would've have to be the best streamers on the face of the planet to turn things around. Morale in the branch might be the lowest its ever been, not helped by some talents being close to NijiID members that are also leaving the company.

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Anonymous Sat 01 Jul 2023 23:44:00 No.52547042 Report

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>>52540564
he's going to be low 3view perhaps below Aster, this is the new Nijisanji normal

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 00:31:53 No.52549842 Report

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>>52539054
in his defense, it was a guerilla stream AND twitter has been down for the whole day

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 00:49:15 No.52550885 Report

Quoted By: >>52551021 >>52556052

Looks fine to me, plus they're very into their kayfabe and aren't creepy towards the girls or gay as fuck towards the guys, so far so good.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 00:51:27 No.52551021 Report

Quoted By: >>52551504

>>52550885
This, they're the real brotubers we have been waiting for. Much less gay than Tempus so far as well.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 00:56:37 No.52551294 Report

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>>52542031
Then Aster is 6ft under

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 01:01:01 No.52551504 Report

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>>52551021
rent free

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 01:27:39 No.52553056 Report

Quoted By: >>52553984

>>52540824
ironically his numbers are great all the drama him and enna have started are great for there growth

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 01:39:27 No.52553843 Report

Quoted By: >>52554230 >>52566152

>>52539481
>NijiEN up until Noctyx was playing all its cards correctly
I feel like you're making the same mistake that Cover did when assuming that their EN leadership was responsible for the success of Myth.

NijiEN, before Luxiem, was seen as an inferior product to HoloEN in just about every category for larger general audiences and had very little success in getting out from under that shadow. They were doing okay relative to smaller corpos, but that was mostly through association of the Nijisanji name and they should have been doing much better than they ultimately were.

Luxiem was the kind of success that was both inevitable and completely unanticipated, I suspect even by NijiEN leadership themselves. I'm sure they thought there was a market for male EN vtubers, but I also suspect they thought that audience would still mostly be westerners. The fact that Luxiem instead took off massively with a primarily Chinese/SEA audience is something that was pretty unexpected for everybody, and since then has obviously been mismanaged to such an extent that that audience has in a lot of ways both collapsed for Luxiem and caused substantial harm to the previous audience NijiEN had curated before that.

Myth was similar; a right-place-right-time kind of success that we'll never see again. Attributing the successes of Myth and Luxiem to superior leadership and conscious decision-making and not to being fortunate enough to launch the something that would have always been successful simply thanks to market conditions and audience demand unless you *really* fucked it up, is a pretty egregious mistake that I think has shown itself clearly through both HoloEN and NijiEN's subsequent fumbling of the bags.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 01:41:49 No.52553984 Report

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>>52553056
He's a leech and 90% of his audience was leeched from her. Also the "drama" they created damaged the branch as a whole for a bit of attention

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 01:46:08 No.52554230 Report

Quoted By: >>52554727 >>52557388

>>52553843
>NijiEN, before Luxiem, was seen as an inferior product to HoloEN in just about every category for larger general audiences and had very little success in getting out from under that shadow
Except you know at least Lazulight and Obsydia were considered the best upstart corpo vtubing branch at the time and was steadily growing. It was tightknit, had a real comradery feel and it's own voice. Mind you NijiEN been around for less than 6 months by the time Ethyria debut.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 01:55:09 No.52554727 Report

Quoted By: >>52555743 >>52557388

>>52554230
Being the "best upstart" with Anycolor backing and the Nijisanji name is a terrible position to be in when your (smaller) competitor is otherwise dominating the marketplace.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 02:11:06 No.52555743 Report

Quoted By: >>52555904

>>52554727
It wasn't a terrible position at all considering HoloEN came first and was so far ahead of everything else.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 02:13:47 No.52555904 Report

Quoted By: >>52556378

>>52555743
Which is the same argument to be made for Luxiem; both Myth and Luxiem can attribute a majority of their success to first mover advantage. Again, I would argue neither HoloEN nor NijiEN's management have shown themselves to be anything beyond mediocre given what they then did with the first mover advantages they had.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 02:16:05 No.52556052 Report

Quoted By: >>52556438

>>52550885
>they're very into their kayfabe
lol
lmao see you next month when it's all gone
everyone is "into their kayfabe" at first

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 02:20:27 No.52556327 Report

Quoted By: >>52557632

>>52539481
If the rrats are true, and that one member of nijisanji india was an EN manager , then her leaving has to be a huge hit. She seemed very savvy to the industry, and had an actual passion for both vtubing and niji.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 02:20:47 No.52556340 Report

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I think the Nijis are cool. I don't watch them though I watch VShojo so my big exposure to them comes in the form of who's most willing to collab frequently outside of the group. Meaning Lazulight is Finana and Pomu, Obsydia is Selen: the wave, Ethyria is Nina: the wave, everyone in Luxiem is cool except Shoe he's boring as fuck Noctyx is Fulgur: the wave, Iluna is Kyo: the wave, and xsoleil might as well not even exist. I could throw out speculation about vtuber mindshare and how spreading yourself out frequently helps to occupy more of it and will help draw in new eyes instead of continually dividing the ones you already have, but I don't have shit to say beyond that.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 02:21:16 No.52556378 Report

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>>52555904
That's not the point being argued here. The point was that you are literally trying to rewrite history by saying that NijiEN was seen as inferior to Hololive early on which it wasn't. I mean the term Hololite was made up by jp nijifags in the nijien thread to somehow put down the branch as not being the "Nijisanji way" for example. Catalog never done that.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 02:22:17 No.52556438 Report

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>>52556052
>everyone is "into their kayfabe" at first
You don't watch NijiEN, do you?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 02:28:07 No.52556768 Report

Quoted By: >>52557430

>>52539438
There is no future wave that will succeed. Normie's all fucking hate Nijisanji and refuse to support them

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 02:29:25 No.52556839 Report

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>>52540008
Ren barely streaming is good. He's actually focusing on music, fair point about the rest

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 02:38:52 No.52557388 Report

Quoted By: >>52560291 >>52561609 >>52561795 >>52568152

>>52554727
>>52554230
Despite this being a bait thread the discussion so far is pretty reasonable so I'll also throw in my 2¢ from someone who was around in that era.
Things weren't exactly "great" for lazusydia. There were a total of two items they got for sale, debut voice packs and one custom voice pack most of which didn't sell out before the deadline.

On top of that they weren't some 5view Stacies, in fact pomu at the time was dipping into 3view territory on some games and most of what they played was Minecraft and genshin. People act like there was some sort of "golden era" but in reality even Minecraft streams were kinda bad because they were playing on the world server where a certain autistic Korean fairy had explored so far that pomu once dedicated an entire stream to attempting to find a land that seffy hadn't touched, when she finally found a sunken ship that looked untouched, she opened the chest and found that seffy had been there too and depressingly ended stream shortly afterwards.
The "glory days" were unironically some of the darkest. The only difference is that as luxiem started getting "gold" in /#/fag threads seamonkeys started spamming the catalog with constant bait and negativity, then as certain "bazed pink rabbut" fans started coming /here/ it became increasingly normalized to leak catalog rrats and the like onto twitter.
I'm not even kidding when I say that 90% of the time if you go onto the profile of the kids who break containment they're almost always pipfags

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 02:39:32 No.52557430 Report

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>>52556768
I wonder who is donating them so much money then, because they always get more than anyone from holo.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 02:42:46 No.52557632 Report

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>>52556327
That's not a rrat, there was a Discord leak from one of the talents.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 02:55:53 No.52558421 Report

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They're fun to watch and at least two of them are actual gamers that don't just mindlessly bumble around and suck at everything they play like 90% of vtubers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 03:26:27 No.52560291 Report

Quoted By: >>52560808 >>52571563

>>52557388
Lazusydia was absolutely the golden days. Who gives a fuck about numbers, the streams were way more fun back then, and so was the chats. Luxiem constantly jumping into the streams killed the vibes that lazusydia open VC streams had, and the wave of fujos they brought shit up the chat.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 03:35:34 No.52560808 Report

Quoted By: >>52561400

>>52560291
This conversation is about the comparative success of the two branches, which we would measure in objective metrics like viewership and superchat numbers, not in nebulous "but the content was good" opinions.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 03:42:24 No.52561193 Report

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I love this Rose snd her FoxMom like you wouldn’t believe!

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 03:45:43 No.52561400 Report

Quoted By: >>52561547

>>52560808
I measure what I watch based on whether the content is good or not, not based on the number of other people who consume it. Number brainrot is moronic, you can't measure the quality of creative industries based on how much money they make.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 03:48:21 No.52561545 Report

Quoted By: >>52564612

The other two have similar numbers. This is despite a huge L4D2 collab with like 8 members going on right now. General response to all of them has been really good and they've got debut buff right now yes but they're in a good spot to be able to retain their fanbase moving forward. Its not that bad.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 03:48:23 No.52561547 Report

Quoted By: >>52561795 >>52562111

>>52561400
Again, this is not a conversation about what you watch. It's a conversation about the success of the two branches as we compare them to one another, with a particular focus on Myth and Luxiem and the audiences they garnered as they relate to the operation of the branches as a whole.

You literally are not having the same conversation that we are.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 03:49:43 No.52561609 Report

Quoted By: >>52568498

>>52557388
I think an important to thing remember and why people have such strong opinions is just because of how radically the change came and how luxiem acted. How within a month of luxiem coming they suddenly became the heads of en and the brand became about them. The ramdonly joining each other voice chats thing didnt helped because suddenly it was like you were being asked to care and have a general knowledge of everyone in a way that really wasnt being asked of you. This last pact might be more subjective but a lot of the hate towards them too was probably the fact that there brand quickly became the conner model of fake be gay so women love you type of brand

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 03:52:31 No.52561773 Report

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Imagine if vtubing were all about numbers instead of judging vtubers on the content of their character and the enjoyment of their streams. Those "twelve knights" who saved Sora on Christmas would have never given her a chance.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 03:52:47 No.52561795 Report

Quoted By: >>52562370

>>52557388
>>52561547
I think your expectations are too high for the time they debuted. Vtubing as a breakout in the west pretty much started like 5-6 months prior to lazu/obsy. They were doing alot better than their non holo competitors like tsunderia, for a time where anyone who wasn't in hololive was a 1view.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 03:59:13 No.52562111 Report

Quoted By: >>52562370

>>52561547
For the second time, numbers do not qualify how good a creative product is. I'm stating the reason that I stopped watching the branch, not stating that was the entire reason for the downfall of NijiEN as a whole. If you want to bring numbers into the equation, Luxiem was not the huge success in the EN scene that it seemed to be at the time. A large portion of the audience that Luxiem brought in were overseas fujos. Those same fujos have now largely moved on which has caused the massive viewership drop that Luxiem members have experienced. In order for numbers to be able to accurratley portray the rise and decline of the NijiEN audience you'd have to have data on their merch sales, as that is where the majority of the money is made for the company and what largely dictates their strategy.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 04:04:23 No.52562370 Report

Quoted By: >>52562622

>>52562111
Where did this conversation become one of "how good a creative product is"? We are literally having a conversation about the numerical successes of the branches (which reflect the traction these branches had with audiences). I'm not sure what you don't understand about this.

>>52561795
My point is that for a brand as large and successful as Nijisanji and with as much overall backing as Anycolor can reasonably provide, NijiEN was not an appropriately strong performer for that brand. Competing with start-ups and not even coming within sniffing distance of your primary competitor from the JP market is a sign that doesn't exude confidence even when we take first-mover advantage into account. Nijisanji should have been able to give a better showing in the period before Luxiem than they did.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 04:09:24 No.52562622 Report

Quoted By: >>52562828

>>52562370
I was responding to someone claiming that lazuysdia was not a "golden age" and I disagreed. I would qualify Lazusydia as a golden age because of my enjoyment of the content, not because they were doing huge numbers at the literal founding of the branch. I'm not sure how this is hard to follow. Are you going to disagree with my opinion on the numerical context of Luxiem's success or are you planning on talking in circles permanently?

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 04:13:11 No.52562828 Report

Quoted By: >>52563089

>>52562622
Your definition of "golden age" and their definition of "golden age" is getting into both of your opinions of what that's even talking about, which starts falling apart really quickly. From a measure of their successes as a branch from a viewership performance standpoint, it was not a "golden age" for NijiEN by any means and they struggled substantially with viewership when compared to HoloEN, especially given the crazy kinds of viewership numbers Myth was achieving at that point. If you liked the content more back then, good for you. That's an opinion that has very little to do with this conversation.

I literally spoke to the numerical context of Luxiem, multiple times, throughout this thread. It's not my fault that you're simply regurgitating things that I already talked about with the expectation that I should repeat them again.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 04:18:33 No.52563089 Report

Quoted By: >>52563281

>>52562828
It's very clear that you have no concept of how numerical analysis and market share works if you're going to directly compare Myth's numbers to those of Lazusydia. First to market advantage is a real thing that has a massive impact on your market share, Myth benefitted tremendously from it and so did Luxiem. Would you consider Tempus to be a failure in comparison to NijiEN males?

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 04:22:46 No.52563281 Report

Quoted By: >>52564510

>>52563089
I literally spoke to that exact fact earlier in this thread; that it would be a mistake to attribute the success of Myth and Luxiem to good managerial decisions and leadership rather than simply a product of first-mover advantage. You don't seem to understand that I'm arguing that BOTH the management of HoloEN *and* the management of NijiEN have shown themselves to be largely ineffective to date.

My argument is that if NijiEN's management had been better at what they do, the gap should not have nearly been as wide as it was for an Anycolor venture into the EN market. We should not be comparing Anycolor to start-up corpos with literal 23-year-old trust fund babies at the helm. The fact that the gap was so substantial in the period prior to Luxiem is a reflection of poor management and/or resource allocation for NijiEN, which should be obvious enough given how much they suddenly shifted gears for Luxiem the second they thought they had a successful product on their hands.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 04:47:20 No.52564510 Report

Quoted By: >>52568603

>>52563281
The gap would absolutely have still been large, even with more competent management. Niji was not close to the name that Holo was in the West at the time. It was an uphill battle for Niji in the first place, Niji was only slightly more recognizable than start up corpos to the general audience in the West.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 04:48:39 No.52564569 Report

Quoted By: >>52565429

>>52538871
Rest of the branch for reference

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 04:49:33 No.52564612 Report

Quoted By: >>52566349

>>52561545
is literally their first week
this are just going to get lower and lower
isolei numbers were incredible on the first week by comparision.
i think rean alone was getting 8k on fucking metroid.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 05:08:02 No.52565429 Report

Quoted By: >>52566607 >>52566619 >>52570078

>>52564569

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 05:10:24 No.52565566 Report

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>>52539054
This isn't even my final form
I can go ever lower in the next week

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 05:10:56 No.52565589 Report

Quoted By: >>52568719 >>52571798

>>52541220
>Japan's
Nijisanji's problem, I don't see cover doing the same shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 05:21:15 No.52566087 Report

Quoted By: >>52568309

>>52542031
Seems more like Luxiem was just a flash in the pan, right place at the right time. Coccyx never has those high metrics, iluna and lolisex don't either.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 05:22:35 No.52566152 Report

Quoted By: >>52566606

>>52553843
>since then has obviously been mismanaged to such an extent that that audience has in a lot of ways both collapsed for Luxiem and caused substantial harm to the previous audience NijiEN had curated before that.

honestly I don't think there was ever a situation where the previous nijien fans wouldn't have been severely damaged by the influx of new luxiem fans, given that the not only massively outnumbered the previous fans but also had a completely different and fairly aggressive culture. It's exacerbated by anycolor's blatant favouritsm of course but the original audience was doomed to be pushed out pretty much from the moment luxiem blew up in china

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 05:27:17 No.52566349 Report

Quoted By:

>>52564612
>this are just going to get lower and lower
Yes, that's what I said. My point is they have a good chance at retaining a good proportion since they all seems to have distinct and entertaining personalities and didn't debut in a wave of 6 people. I doubt any of them will go hungry regardless of numbers.

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 05:32:51 No.52566595 Report

Quoted By: >>52566732 >>52568284

>>52539481
NijiEN was headless the 3rd, 6th, and 8th wave retard, they were literally trying to be hololite by having female only waves for some reason with the first 2 waves. Luxiem and Noctyx were attempts to breech into a new market, while Iluna was where the directionless feel came into effect They should of just been co-ed from the start so faggots like you didn't have a chance to larp as nijifans crying about the good old days of hololite and "cgdct".

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 05:33:07 No.52566606 Report

Quoted By: >>52569247

>>52566152
I know it's constantly a bait topic on this board, but introducing Luxiem in the way they did really drove out the fans of the girls. The branch went from basically Holo EN light to Luxiem dominated overnight.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 05:33:08 No.52566607 Report

Quoted By:

>>52565429
seems accurate to me

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 05:33:14 No.52566619 Report

Quoted By: >>52566670 >>52566759

>>52565429
How did Luca ended up being the only sane one from his group?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 05:34:29 No.52566670 Report

Quoted By:

>>52566619
isn't he one of the most hated members from his group?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 05:36:02 No.52566732 Report

Quoted By:

>>52566595
>crying about the good old days of hololite and "cgdct".
Please point where I talked about any of that in my post.

I've been watching NijiEN since Pomu's debut btw.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 05:36:51 No.52566759 Report

Quoted By: >>52568315 >>52572992

>>52566619
Ike is definitely the sanest one in their group, followed by Shu.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 05:38:14 No.52566811 Report

Quoted By:

LOWER

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 05:56:23 No.52567439 Report

Quoted By:

For me, best male hires so far. Just some good old boys having fun and bantering. They have a really great dynamic with each other which is probably helped immensely by only being a 3 person wave. It's still early though so they still might change in the future.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:16:09 No.52568152 Report

Quoted By:

>>52557388
As always you can blame the retards who started needling the holofags with Vox's success the moment he started blowing up and tainting his image by association

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:19:42 No.52568284 Report

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>>52566595
ah yes, ethyria, the embodiment of CGDCT.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:20:25 No.52568309 Report

Quoted By: >>52568389

>>52566087
Luxiem felt like they made a real effort to launch them properly and they had clear hits in terms of model + voice combos like Vox to really push. This tactic of just releasing more waves without a bigger plan to it feels lazy and like the company just threw all strategy out the window and are just hoping that one of their new people will just magically get big and give them a good ROI.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:20:44 No.52568315 Report

Quoted By:

>>52566759
Pretty much, Ike just mostly keeps to himself and mixing music. He might not live a healthy lifestyle from what Quilren mention of his diet but he’s just a fine lad that has Sonic autism and likes Oreimo, nothing wrong with him mentally and nothing you can really hate over.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:23:02 No.52568389 Report

Quoted By:

>>52568309
>just hoping that one of their new people will just magically get big and give them a good ROI.
so the standard nijisanji model?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:25:30 No.52568498 Report

Quoted By: >>52568673

>>52561609
I don't necessarily think the hate towards them was justified honestly but I get it. They were kinda annoying and the management favoritism got old real fast. But I'll also point out that from what I've seen many of the guys didn't want to be propped up like that. Mysta takes about every chance he has to shill lazusydia and shu flat out ignores every opportunity given to him by management. Vox has talked about turning down sponsored streams in the past because he felt like other people deserved it more and Ike also pretty heavily shills lazusydia.
Am I huge on luxiem or the fans they brought with them? Nah. But I'll give them credit where it's due

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:29:34 No.52568603 Report

Quoted By:

>>52564510
This is true. Hololive was given the algorithm treatment pretty heavily before en came out. Like there was matsuri bandaid, Miko nword, Coco Statue of Liberty, fubuki scatman, korone mario, and those are just the ones I can think of
Almost everyone was recommended these clips meanwhile I can recall seeing like 3 clips in total of Niji Jp and at least two of the featured Roa who went on hiatus before en even was talked about.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:30:04 No.52568619 Report

Quoted By: >>52568717 >>52568766

>>52538871
>NijiEN's new vtubers are not doing well.
>one of them hit 100k subscribers already
You retards are full of shit.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:31:56 No.52568673 Report

Quoted By: >>52574068

>>52568498
That wasn't the case for the majority of the time Luxiem existed though. Mysta has openly admitted he isn't grinding as hard as he used to now that he's made his money, Vox was obsessed with his numbers for a long time, etc. The branch very quickly turned into gay baiting and the girls became seemingly stream accessories to push Luxiem for a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:32:13 No.52568682 Report

Quoted By: >>52568821

>>52540008
>it still had two girls who got in EN because they couldn't get in JP
Yet they still got in EN, so that counts as much. Also funny didn't mention the guys.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:33:29 No.52568717 Report

Quoted By: >>52568832

>>52568619
Sub count means jack shit if they aren't watching the streams

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:33:30 No.52568719 Report

Quoted By:

>>52565589
>Who is Bae
It happens less frequently with Cover / Hololive, but it does happen still

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:35:14 No.52568766 Report

Quoted By: >>52568832

>>52568619
>one of them hit 100k subscribers already
>already
>1 week after debut

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:36:42 No.52568821 Report

Quoted By: >>52568869

>>52568682
The new guys being ESL is going to hurt them too, Yu isn't bad but Bandage man is really rough. Wanting EN speakers in the EN branch isn't crazy, if they were fluent without a heavy accent it'd be fine but they aren't.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:37:19 No.52568832 Report

Quoted By: >>52568864 >>52568939

>>52568717
>Sub count means jack shit
I see the goal post is moving.
>>52568766
Yes, that's exactly what I said.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:38:14 No.52568864 Report

Quoted By: >>52569247 >>52569933

>>52568832
if you think hitting 100k one week after debut is as accomplishment you have extremely low standards and are probably coping

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:38:20 No.52568869 Report

Quoted By: >>52568939

>>52568821
>The new guys being ESL is going to hurt them too
But he was the one to hit 100k first.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:39:11 No.52568900 Report

Quoted By:

I feel like the problem with NijiEN is that most of the culture on the JP side was fairly talent driven so the first few waves not having talents with strong initiative like Mito just left the whole group directionless. Then Luxiem completely blowing up on the other side of the world with an audience none of them had any knowledge of handling threw everyone completely off. After that it's just been continuously brought down by baffling hiring decisions and management that can only be described as Indian.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:40:30 No.52568939 Report

Quoted By: >>52571954

>>52568832
>>52568869
100K a week after debut is awful for a big corpo. If they had high CCV it'd be okay but they're already falling to 3 view territory and the debut buff hasn't even worn off yet.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:49:15 No.52569247 Report

Quoted By: >>52569344 >>52569511 >>52569561

>>52566606
This has been talked a few times in that thread too. One of their first mistakes was introducing 10 girls before any guys followed by pushing some hakooshi agenda that's not feasible with Nijisanji's debut schedule.
>>52568864
Believe it or not, it is. Your "standards" are just way too above reality because there's only a single company where people can debut well into the 400000s by doing literally nothing.

Comparing to VSPO last two actual debuts:
>Tsuna managed this because her PL, which had less subs than the number mentioned above, fans followed her.
>Ramu didn't, it took a while.
Met and Akarin were more hires from elsewhere than proper debuts.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:51:56 No.52569344 Report

Quoted By: >>52569522

>>52569247
But that's not what nijifags told me, you guys said nijisanji was competeing on par with hololive. Don't go lowering your standards just because you aren't matching up

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:54:58 No.52569437 Report

Quoted By:

anyone coping about 100k subs of Krisis
ILUNA literally got 100k subs BEFORE debut
while subs can mean nothing for a streamer, it shows the lack of interest on nijiEN

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:57:26 No.52569511 Report

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>>52569247
Niji EN males debuting and then becoming 3 views in a week is new though, besides maybe Aster it's never been this bad before.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:57:39 No.52569522 Report

Quoted By: >>52570197

>>52569344
Tell me brony: how many channels you never watch are in your subscriptions list? Are you actually supporting the talents or licking the boots of the brand behind them?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 06:59:07 No.52569561 Report

Quoted By:

>>52569247
Yeah, they definitely should've had mixed waves from the start. They probably wanted to steal some of the CGDCT audience from Holo but didn't realize that audience would disappear as soon as the guys debuted.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 07:08:47 No.52569864 Report

Quoted By: >>52569981

>>52538871
Nijisanji doesn't budge. They will graduate the underperformers and hire people in bulk again until one of them earns good money. They are fucking merciless, in case you haven't noticed. They don't care about names, they jus need the money to come in. That's the one and only thing I like about Niji: the cartoon-like greed makes them genuinely not care about firing their biggest names, it's fucking hilarious and unnecessarily hostile.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 07:11:25 No.52569933 Report

Quoted By: >>52569973

>>52568864
A lot NijiEN vtubers took over 2 weeks to reach that or even a month. There's some new JP in a much larger market with less than 100k too. retards.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 07:12:56 No.52569973 Report

Quoted By: >>52570032 >>52570042

>>52569933
SO is nijisanji a legit competitor to hololive or are they a washed up has been where hitting 100k is an accomplishment? Make up your mind

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 07:13:16 No.52569981 Report

Quoted By:

>>52569864
except thats not how they work. anycolor looks via branch, not via individual performance. thats why id and kr lost their branches while plenty of jp and en get sponsorship, merch, vp and shit just by existing even if their numbers are shit

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 07:14:55 No.52570032 Report

Quoted By: >>52570102

>>52569973
They are a competitor because overall they are the second biggest in subs and they are the only one doing big numbers, mainly in JP
Until 2021 they took much more time to reach 100k subs even in JP. In NijiEN it went from 1 week to 1 month, with only Iluna reaching that before debut

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 07:15:20 No.52570042 Report

Quoted By: >>52570147

>>52569973
maybe if hololive works a bit harder they can output the same results

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 07:16:45 No.52570078 Report

Quoted By: >>52570753

>>52565429
why is finana blue? what is blue?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 07:17:49 No.52570102 Report

Quoted By: >>52570116

>>52570032
Cool, now explain why Luxiem lost more than half their viewers. Niji EN is on a decline it's obvious

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 07:18:41 No.52570116 Report

Quoted By: >>52570243

>>52570102
who denied that? luxiem lost their popularity, nijien too overall, they stabilized. with that said, EN in general dropped, you can see it even with holoen

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 07:19:50 No.52570147 Report

Quoted By: >>52570153

>>52570042
>maybe if hololive works harder they can decend to the same level as nijisanji where 100k is considered an accomplishement
do nijiniigs really?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 07:20:10 No.52570153 Report

Quoted By: >>52570161

>>52570147
cry about it

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 07:20:21 No.52570161 Report

Quoted By: >>52570197

>>52570153
nijiseethe

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 07:21:38 No.52570197 Report

Quoted By:

>>52570161
btw you still haven't answered my question >>52569522

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 07:23:15 No.52570243 Report

Quoted By:

>>52570116
Vtuber views in general are down yeah, but not absolutely cratering like what's happening to Luxiem. Niji EN hasn't stabilized at all, Iluna started the decline and xsoleil continued on it. The new guys had the lowest debut numbers so far, and have also dropped their viewership the quickest out of any Niji EN males.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 07:44:44 No.52570753 Report

Quoted By:

>>52570078
That is very clearly purple my man.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 08:21:00 No.52571563 Report

Quoted By:

>>52560291
basado

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 08:30:56 No.52571798 Report

Quoted By:

>>52565589
Troonii...

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Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 08:36:26 No.52571954 Report

Quoted By:

>>52568939
https://twitter.com/McDonaldsJapan/status/1674711876037492736
Would you eat the Kanae chicken sandwich?

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 09:14:18 No.52572992 Report

Quoted By:

>>52566759
>followed by Shu.
lol
lmao

This is the guy that had a mental breakdown over the live show being cancelled, leading to a wall of text complaining about depression on his youtube page. It would be justified if he had any projects or was a hard working guy that got disillusioned when they cancelled it, but he's the laziest and most spoiled Luxiem member taking everything for granted.
He's so petty he actively doesn't do solo streams, never updates his fans on his breaks and does the opposite of what his fans want while always being in other.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 09:54:03 No.52573867 Report

Quoted By:

>>52541283
Nah, this would maybe have been great for Holostars JP two years ago when mid-3view was their ceiling, it's average for Holostars EN most of whom are hovering around 1k ccv give or take nowadays, and it's fucking embarrassing for a NijiEN male since they had talents who in the beginning were able to bring in five digit viewers. Anchored expectations and all that. The declining trend is real.

The funny thing is, "acceleration" and self-cannibalization of the audience by too many new talents is probably not even the main culprit for it, because it's not like the audience gets spread around evenly, i.e. a viewership decline for an old talent isn't accompanied by a proportional viewership increase of the new talent. So it's less about viewers moving to other talents, many viewers just move on and drop out of watching them altogether.
This isn't even a shocking new undiscovered phenomena, Holomyth had the same thing happen as they are far from their debut buff peak numbers and all the lockdown tourists for whom vtubers were a fresh novelty at the time have long since moved on. The only difference is that NijiEN males don't have the same obvious reason to point to (lockdowns being over, etc), and have to grapple with the fact that their audience of chink fujos or whoever has simply gotten bored of them on their own.

Anonymous

Anonymous Sun 02 Jul 2023 10:03:06 No.52574068 Report

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>>52568673
Oh no even from the beginning mysta at least has been very open that lazulight are his oshis and that they deserve way more respect. Mysta is a retard but he's a fairly decent retard.

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