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Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 17:38:40 No.65539476 View View Reply Original Report

Quoted By: >>65541997 >>65543034

Hey Hey, People. Anon Here.
Does work suck?
Is morale low?
Have you, a kohai, or a senpai considered or attempted suicide due to the work conditions your forced to contend with?
Well, I sadly can't help with that. but it may be time to consider.
Making a workers unions.

Anonymous

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Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 18:05:02 No.65540879 Report

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Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 18:20:06 No.65541744 Report

Quoted By: >>65543467

communism doesnt work

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 18:24:50 No.65541997 Report

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>>65539476
Wow, if this were actually a post from a union organizer, this would be the shitty organizing attempt I've ever seen. And I've seen shitty, rat unions out there.
Good thing is just a LARPer or GPTbot. It would be sad if you were actually worse than some mobbed-up construction union.
>t. union staff

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 18:34:31 No.65542581 Report

Quoted By: >>65543817 >>65549710

The default answer to problems between employees/employers and parties in contracts. But few actually consider what, by definition, unionization actually means. There's a reason why some fields are entirely unionized, and others are not.
Leaving that aside, do the livers even have leverage here if they were to negotiate as a group, with or without a formal union? Nobody here can know because the contracts are private. But, I feel like the answer is likely "no".

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 18:41:42 No.65543034 Report

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>>65539476
Hell yeah comrade

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 18:48:49 No.65543467 Report

Quoted By: >>65547272

>>65541744
Unionism isn't Marxism.
New Deal Democrat unionism isn't unionism either.
Stop being a c*ck to power and repeating their propaganda

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 18:55:01 No.65543817 Report

Quoted By: >>65543998

>>65542581
Goddamn it, why'd you have to go make an interesting post in a shit thread that deserves to die?
But I have a hunch you're right, in that these contracts are not likely to be traditional employer/employee relationships that would fit properly into the union framework.
The one exception I could see is if the contracts have a binding arbitration clause that is open enough for two-party negotiation over arbitrators. That would definitely be in the skillset of a good labour union.
Though I don't know how you'd make the financials of that work out. If the only thing the labour union is bringing to the table is arbitration support, well, that's one of the most expensive services delivered directly by the union (putting aside pension/benefits, since those are usually funds and not out of general revenues). I don't see many unions wanting to take that level of risk, or if they do then I don't see the cost of that in dues being attractive to potential members.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 18:57:13 No.65543953 Report

Quoted By: >>65544033 >>65544184

>you have someone shitty controlling over you
>join a union
>You now have two shitty people over you controlling you, they work together to screw you over while pretending they're supporting you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 18:57:50 No.65543998 Report

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>>65543817
I dont know a lot about unions on the whole but the way it sounds is a vtuber union would have to be something started from the ground up to fit the needs of streamers.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 18:58:30 No.65544033 Report

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>>65543953
woah anon, we didn't ask for the walmart training to activate

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 19:01:07 No.65544184 Report

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>>65543953
>You now have two shitty people over you
The original unionism was just all workers (from all trades) with themselves organizing it.
New Deal version has turned out to be highly corruptible and useless, but hardly anyone ever talks about actual unionism

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 19:01:22 No.65544196 Report

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If there was a union in holoEN Kiara would be the manager.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 19:59:58 No.65547272 Report

Quoted By: >>65549466 >>65550903

>>65543467
a union has no inherent power
if a corp wants you gone they have means besides termination of contract to oust you

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 20:38:04 No.65549466 Report

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>>65547272
Correct, it's the power of the collective that lends it its strength, so it's best to join one.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 20:41:55 No.65549710 Report

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>>65542581
I'd like to see what would happen if the entire EN rosters of Hololive and Nijisanji and their video editors were to suddenly stop streaming for a while.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 21:00:05 No.65550776 Report

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Nijisanji JP actually did this in the past several years ago
They should really do it again

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 21:02:04 No.65550903 Report

Quoted By: >>65552258 >>65552762

>>65547272
A proper union of people take power. That's how that always works.
Laws are inherently fiction.

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 21:26:32 No.65552258 Report

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>>65550903
Based

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 21:35:46 No.65552762 Report

Quoted By: >>65553462

>>65550903
>proper union of people take power
You mean thugs

Anonymous

Anonymous Fri 29 Dec 2023 21:48:32 No.65553462 Report

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>>65552762
All in which group of people would you root for.
It's funny how the disenfranchised nazi sympathizers we see on 4chan don't understand that the liberal's mask is falling off to show the fascists are already in control.
I'd rather it were the locals though

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